10 questions that every intelligent Christian must answer

Gern Blansten

EddieLedBetter wrote:

and no Gerny ole boy we dont agree that God doesnt answer prayers.

if you agree that he answers most of them "no" then we can agree I guess

Godfather.

Johnny,Gern do you guy's believe that there is a after life ? where dose your spirit go once the body
dies ? not trying to stir up crap just curious about what you think of your soul or do you believe that man has a soul ? basically what do you all think will happen when you die.

Godfather.

Gern Blansten

Godfather. wrote:

Johnny,Gern do you guy's believe that there is a after life ? where dose your spirit go once the body
dies ? not trying to stir up crap just curious about what you think of your soul or do you believe that man has a soul ? basically what do you all think will happen when you die.

Godfather.

just like a squirrel that dies on the road and withers away to nothing we are the same

we are animals

I will be cremated so as not to take up useful ground for future generations....at what point will the cemeteries occupy more ground than living humans?

EddieLedBetter

Gern Blansten wrote:

EddieLedBetter wrote:

and no Gerny ole boy we dont agree that God doesnt answer prayers.

if you agree that he answers most of them "no" then we can agree I guess

No God answers all prayers. It may not be the answer that YOU wanted but he is sovereign and just in his actions for YOUR ultimate betterment.

Gern Blansten

EddieLedBetter wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

EddieLedBetter wrote:

and no Gerny ole boy we dont agree that God doesnt answer prayers.

if you agree that he answers most of them "no" then we can agree I guess

No God answers all prayers. It may not be the answer that YOU wanted but he is sovereign and just in his actions for YOUR ultimate betterment.

yes it is sovereign and just for him to answer NO!!! to the little girl that prays her daddy stops beating her mommy

thank you jesus!!!

redrock

EddieLedBetter wrote:

No God answers all prayers. It may not be the answer that YOU wanted but he is sovereign and just in his actions for YOUR ultimate betterment.

Yep... when my 'believing' friend prayed for my husband, I guess god found it amusing that for his ultimate betterment, my husband will be disabled and not able to care for his family. Yay!

pandora

the last 2 examples I'm just not getting
mommy needs to get her ass away from a daddy who beats her not only for her own sake but for her daughters
and having been myself disabled this year yes, I've seen the kindness and good that comes from pain and sorrow.
I guess its all in how you look at things
blaming god just seem to cause a very bitter person who chooses not to see the good.

EddieLedBetter

Gern Blansten wrote:

CJMST3K wrote:

(GB - would you please transcribe the 10 questions from the video to make it easier for someone who is actually willing to answer to do so?)

Here you go...

1. Why won't god heal amputees? (1:22)

2. Why are there so many starving people in our world? (2:27)

3. Why does god demand the death of so many innocent people in the bible? (3:10)

4. Why does the bible contain so much anti-scientific nonsense? (4:00)

5. Why is god such a huge proponent of slavery in the bible? (5:10)

6. Why do bad things happen to good people? (5:26)

7. Why is there no evidence of Jesus' miracles? (5:33)

8. How do we explain the fact that Jesus has never appeared to you? (5:43)

9. Why would Jesus want you to eat his body and drink his blood? (5:59)

10. Why to christians get divorced at the same rate of non-Christians? (6:17)

To believe in god you must make all sorts of strange rationalizations and excuses....to those that do not believe in god all the answers make complete sense.

1. You dont have emperical evidence that he NEVER has in the history of the world healed an amputee. The bible has evidence that Jesus in fact has. Illness, suffering, and pain are the result of our living in a cursed world—cursed because of our sin (Genesis 3:16-19; Romans 8:20-22). God’s goodness and love moved Him to provide a Savior to redeem us from the curse (1 John 4:9-10), but our ultimate redemption will not be realized until God has made a final end of sin in the world. Until that time, we are still subject to physical death and dismemberment. If God’s love required Him to heal every disease and infirmity, then no one would ever die—because "love" would maintain everyone in perfect health furthing us in our sinful nature. The biblical definition of love is "a sacrificial seeking what is best for the loved one." Look at amputees that have God as a savior's attitudes compared to those who dont. There is the evidence.

2. This goes back to the above answer. The world is cursed.

3. Death is demanded of by everyone for one what makes these people special is the story they left behind. God uses Abraham’s faith as an example to all who came after him as the only means of salvation. He was asked to sacrifice his son and he went to do it willingly and God said he didnt half to. We are all demanded to sacrifice our own lives for God. Its the example.

4. One would have to know all scientific information in existance was infact true beyond a shadow of a doubt to make this claim. This guy doesnt know everything. Newtonian laws have holes as does evolution.

5. We are to be a slave to our master. God. Refered to countless times.

6. Bad things happen to all people. Result of the cursed world.

7. When is eyewitness account, written word, and word of mouth, not considered evidence. "A huge cloud of spinning dirt, sounded like a freight train, came down out of the sky and lifted my trailer house into the air." Say you've never seen a tornado would you not believe this to be true? Spiritual evidence exists in people who follow God. Miracles exist so a supernatural foce exists. "Its a miracle that guy landed the plane in the Hudson." Who were people praying to when it went down?

8. He in Spirit appears to me all the time. I dont see him but my body physically feels him and my mind recognizes the lessons hes there to bring to me. You have to want that experience before you can get it.

9. This is a rediculous question. Its not ment to be taken literally. Its an act of accepting his life example and taking it into your life.

10. Christians believe it or not are human beings too. Sinners. The problem is Christians are always under the microscope of the outside world. Judged by those who are also going to be judged. Following Christ isnt easy, straying from sin isnt easy.

To not believe in God all these questions make complete sense???? Okay now its the oppositions turn to rationalize your views on these questions.

EddieLedBetter

Gern Blansten wrote:

No God answers all prayers. It may not be the answer that YOU wanted but he is sovereign and just in his actions for YOUR ultimate betterment.

yes it is sovereign and just for him to answer NO!!! to the little girl that prays her daddy stops beating her mommy

thank you jesus!!!

You cant know why those things happen or how God uses them to affect other people. Take Eddie for example. You think if he didnt get his ass beat and had the rough life he did that he could reach so many people with his art?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Godfather. wrote:

Johnny,Gern do you guy's believe that there is a after life ? where dose your spirit go once the body
dies ? not trying to stir up crap just curious about what you think of your soul or do you believe that man has a soul ? basically what do you all think will happen when you die.

Godfather.

nope. I'm with Gern. I'm future ash. Nothing more. So are you.

know1

Gern Blansten wrote:

CJMST3K wrote:

(GB - would you please transcribe the 10 questions from the video to make it easier for someone who is actually willing to answer to do so?)

Here you go...

1. Why won't god heal amputees? (1:22)

2. Why are there so many starving people in our world? (2:27)

3. Why does god demand the death of so many innocent people in the bible? (3:10)

4. Why does the bible contain so much anti-scientific nonsense? (4:00)

5. Why is god such a huge proponent of slavery in the bible? (5:10)

6. Why do bad things happen to good people? (5:26)

7. Why is there no evidence of Jesus' miracles? (5:33)

8. How do we explain the fact that Jesus has never appeared to you? (5:43)

9. Why would Jesus want you to eat his body and drink his blood? (5:59)

10. Why to christians get divorced at the same rate of non-Christians? (6:17)

To believe in god you must make all sorts of strange rationalizations and excuses....to those that do not believe in god all the answers make complete sense.

These types of questions are usually posed by some of the most close-minded of people.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

EddieLedBetter wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

CJMST3K wrote:

(GB - would you please transcribe the 10 questions from the video to make it easier for someone who is actually willing to answer to do so?)

Here you go...

1. Why won't god heal amputees? (1:22)

2. Why are there so many starving people in our world? (2:27)

3. Why does god demand the death of so many innocent people in the bible? (3:10)

4. Why does the bible contain so much anti-scientific nonsense? (4:00)

5. Why is god such a huge proponent of slavery in the bible? (5:10)

6. Why do bad things happen to good people? (5:26)

7. Why is there no evidence of Jesus' miracles? (5:33)

8. How do we explain the fact that Jesus has never appeared to you? (5:43)

9. Why would Jesus want you to eat his body and drink his blood? (5:59)

10. Why to christians get divorced at the same rate of non-Christians? (6:17)

To believe in god you must make all sorts of strange rationalizations and excuses....to those that do not believe in god all the answers make complete sense.

1. You dont have emperical evidence that he NEVER has in the history of the world healed an amputee. The bible has evidence that Jesus in fact has. Illness, suffering, and pain are the result of our living in a cursed world—cursed because of our sin (Genesis 3:16-19; Romans 8:20-22). God’s goodness and love moved Him to provide a Savior to redeem us from the curse (1 John 4:9-10), but our ultimate redemption will not be realized until God has made a final end of sin in the world. Until that time, we are still subject to physical death and dismemberment. If God’s love required Him to heal every disease and infirmity, then no one would ever die—because "love" would maintain everyone in perfect health furthing us in our sinful nature. The biblical definition of love is "a sacrificial seeking what is best for the loved one." Look at amputees that have God as a savior's attitudes compared to those who dont. There is the evidence.

2. This goes back to the above answer. The world is cursed.

3. Death is demanded of by everyone for one what makes these people special is the story they left behind. God uses Abraham’s faith as an example to all who came after him as the only means of salvation. He was asked to sacrifice his son and he went to do it willingly and God said he didnt half to. We are all demanded to sacrifice our own lives for God. Its the example.

4. One would have to know all scientific information in existance was infact true beyond a shadow of a doubt to make this claim. This guy doesnt know everything. Newtonian laws have holes as does evolution.

5. We are to be a slave to our master. God. Refered to countless times.

6. Bad things happen to all people. Result of the cursed world.

7. When is eyewitness account, written word, and word of mouth, not considered evidence. "A huge cloud of spinning dirt, sounded like a freight train, came down out of the sky and lifted my trailer house into the air." Say you've never seen a tornado would you not believe this to be true? Spiritual evidence exists in people who follow God. Miracles exist so a supernatural foce exists. "Its a miracle that guy landed the plane in the Hudson." Who were people praying to when it went down?

8. He in Spirit appears to me all the time. I dont see him but my body physically feels him and my mind recognizes the lessons hes there to bring to me. You have to want that experience before you can get it.

9. This is a rediculous question. Its not ment to be taken literally. Its an act of accepting his life example and taking it into your life.

10. Christians believe it or not are human beings too. Sinners. The problem is Christians are always under the microscope of the outside world. Judged by those who are also going to be judged. Following Christ isnt easy, straying from sin isnt easy.

To not believe in God all these questions make complete sense???? Okay now its the oppositions turn to rationalize your views on these questions.

1) since when is lack of evidence of not doing something proof that it may have happened? that's ridiculous. Also, with regards to the last statement for this number, I know plenty of non-christians that have WAY better attitudes towards life than christians. that is not evidence.

2) because man in power is greedy.

3) alrighty

4) alrighty

5) then heaven is a slave labour camp. whoopie.

6) yes, they do. I guess god just doesn't care!

7) eyewitness account from people from that long ago, who didn't know which way was up, is not credible. any intelligent person knows that. back then they probably thought a tornado was an act of god and the person caught in it "deserved it" or it was a sign or something. the plane landing in the hudson was not a miracle. the guy was an excellent pilot, and all the right things happened to be on his side.

8) if you believe that, all well and good

9) agreed, it is a ridiculous question. even I can tell you that.

10) christians didn't used to get divorced because it was frowned upon by the church. many uber-religious people still believe that divorce before god is the ultimate sin, so they stay unhappy and miserable for life because they think that's what god wants. finally the church has some sense in this regard.

non-christians to rationalize their views? you keep showing us time and again how much you respect our beliefs. :roll:

redrock

pandora wrote:

and having been myself disabled this year yes, I've seen the kindness and good that comes from pain and sorrow.

Good for you. My husband sees the same kindess and good as before. He sees a LOT more pain and sorrow than he did before. He is not the man he used to be and cannot pretend he will ever be, not because he is bitter or 'can't get over it' or whatever, but because physically it will never happen. It's sort of sad that you had to see 'kindness and good that comes from pain and sorrow' as opposed to having the kindess and the good before the sorrow.

pandora wrote:

blaming god just seem to cause a very bitter person who chooses not to see the good.

If this is addressed to me, I never blamed god. I don't believe in god. That is the point. God inflicting 'pain' (broad term) for our ultimate betterment is just full of shit. Maybe someone will say 'he beat the shit out of me, paralysing me in the process but hey... sitting in my wheelchair, I saw kindness and goodness from the people that helped me have a shit, get dressed, feed me because I can't do it myself. Ultimate betterment?


What about these two young boys that tortured another pair of young boys, completely traumatizing them (amongst other things). What is the ultimate betterment for these poor little boys who have suffered and are scared to go out, etc.?

The thing is, if one feels they need to justify that their almighty, loving, good god is capable of inflicting such pain and suffering on 'his flock' (ie wars, destruction, etc., all mentioned in this thread already) by sayig 'it's for your own good/betterment' or it's because the world is 'cursed', to me, they have run out of steam. A bit like answering a kid with 'because' when you don't know the answer.

Gern Blansten

pandora wrote:

the last 2 examples I'm just not getting
mommy needs to get her ass away from a daddy who beats her not only for her own sake but for her daughters
and having been myself disabled this year yes, I've seen the kindness and good that comes from pain and sorrow.
I guess its all in how you look at things
blaming god just seem to cause a very bitter person who chooses not to see the good.

disagree....the argument was "does god answer prayers"

my example of the little girl praying when she hears her father beating her mother has nothing to do with a decision to leave....the prayer request was made and god answered "NO!!!"

and of course I'm not blaming god...I don't blame god for not answering prayers anymore than I blame my dog because neither one of them answer prayers

Gern Blansten

EddieLedBetter wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

No God answers all prayers. It may not be the answer that YOU wanted but he is sovereign and just in his actions for YOUR ultimate betterment.

yes it is sovereign and just for him to answer NO!!! to the little girl that prays her daddy stops beating her mommy

thank you jesus!!!

You cant know why those things happen or how God uses them to affect other people. Take Eddie for example. You think if he didnt get his ass beat and had the rough life he did that he could reach so many people with his art?

so you must agree that prayer is useless than right? if god is going to do something to affect them the prayer would have no affect on his decision so why pray?

redrock

EddieLedBetter wrote:

Take Eddie for example. You think if he didnt get his ass beat and had the rough life he did that he could reach so many people with his art?

Rough life?!?!?! Ed can sing and can write songs (oh... I get it... talent given to him by god), really... let's not look too much into it. Plenty of very famous artists/musicians reach many more people than Eddie does and a 'rough life' is not a pre-requisite for that. Please....

Gern Blansten

EddieLedBetter wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

No God answers all prayers. It may not be the answer that YOU wanted but he is sovereign and just in his actions for YOUR ultimate betterment.

yes it is sovereign and just for him to answer NO!!! to the little girl that prays her daddy stops beating her mommy

thank you jesus!!!

You cant know why those things happen or how God uses them to affect other people. Take Eddie for example. You think if he didnt get his ass beat and had the rough life he did that he could reach so many people with his art?

Eddie is an atheist

EddieLedBetter

So by implying that the world isnt perfect, bad things happen and there must not be a good and perfect God that created it you are claiming that you know how the world should be designed correctly. Suboptimal design doesnt mean there is no designer. You dont know the objective of the designer. See Stephen Jay Gould's example of the pandas thumb. He claims it was imperfectly designed but matter of fact science has found that it was perfectly designed to do what it was made to do. If we dont know what the designer intended then we cant say that the design fell short of those intentions.

Throw creationisim and Christianity out the window and build a foundation on this theory.

http://www.intelligentdesign.org/whatisid.php

EddieLedBetter

I'm using Eddie as an example of how when you experience bad things you can relate to people who also experience bad things. Iron sharpens iron. Him being an atheist doesnt matter. I can still see and sympathize with him.

Gern Blansten

EddieLedBetter wrote:

So by implying that the world isnt perfect, bad things happen and there must not be a good and perfect God that created it you are claiming that you know how the world should be designed correctly. Suboptimal design doesnt mean there is no designer. You dont know the objective of the designer. See Stephen Jay Gould's example of the pandas thumb. He claims it was imperfectly designed but matter of fact science has found that it was perfectly designed to do what it was made to do. If we dont know what the designer intended then we cant say that the design fell short of those intentions.

Throw creationisim and Christianity out the window and build a foundation on this theory.

http://www.intelligentdesign.org/whatisid.php

you're kidding right? ID is considered junk science or pseudoscience by all academia but a few fringe wackos