THE PHILADELPHIA EAGLES...

Johnny Abruzzo

I see a 7 paragraph post by pjhawks, and I say, "Hmmm, is it worth it to read this? No."

pjhawks

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

I see a 7 paragraph post by pjhawks, and I say, "Hmmm, is it worth it to read this? No."

your loss.

Johnny Abruzzo

pjhawks wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

I see a 7 paragraph post by pjhawks, and I say, "Hmmm, is it worth it to read this? No."

your loss.

Jearlpam0925

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

I see a 7 paragraph post by pjhawks, and I say, "Hmmm, is it worth it to read this? No."

Bravo.

Johnny Abruzzo

Why don't the Birds just play the run-and-shoot like Jerry Glanville's Oilers?

Anybody remember the House of Pain Game?

pjhawks

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

I see a 7 paragraph post by pjhawks, and I say, "Hmmm, is it worth it to read this? No."

Bravo.

oops sorry forgot most on here have a short attention span. i'll cater to the Temple U. crowd from now on

pjhawks

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Why don't the Birds just play the run-and-shoot like Jerry Glanville's Oilers?

Anybody remember the House of Pain Game?

i'd like to see us run the A11 offense. it was so innovative and so potent it was banned in high school. if you haven't heard about it look it up.

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

right. that is my point. pjhawks wants to pass the ball 80% of the time like its a video game regardless of the situation or personnel. he even said 80% was conservative for him. that is absurd. most teams, most good teams will throw the ball between 57-63% of the time over the course of the season. i'm totally fine with that kind of ratio.

the problem with andy reid is that he thinks he always has aaron rogers or a drew brees as his quarterback and he always thinks he has the leagues best offensive line. towards the end of last year the entire team was regressing. especially the offensive line who was also battling injuries to key players. vick, as many pointed out, struggled down the stretch. he was also getting crushed because the line wasn't protecting him. and he had issues picking up blitzes. yet reid kept dropping him back to pass about 80% of the time regardless of this. in that vikings game he was only completing 57% of his passes and finished with an awful 74% passer rating. it is a coaches responsibility to "put his players in the best position to make plays." why not switch things up? call a few more runs to open up some play action opportunities. let your line take a break from constantly being on the defensive in passing situations and let them move forward and knock some fuckers off the line in running plays.

do you think sean payton or mike mccarthy would have been okay calling as many passes last night with that kind of production from his qb and offensive line? i don't. they also don't have the caliber of running back that eagles do in lesean mccoy. and that is the point pj hawks cannot grasp this concept.

here's a good article on the subject from a few years ago but still holds true today (i am fully aware nobody will read this but whatever ):
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=482

comments:
1) 1st off never said you should pass the ball regardless of personnel. with the personnel this eagles team has the pass is a better option 90% of the time.
2) the ratio's of good teams you use above are skewed because of late game killing the clock runs. as my stats on last night's 1st quarter were used to demonstrate that when good teams want to score the passing game a high percentage of the time is the best option. the packers threw the ball to get the lead, then ran to protect the lead so their ratio looks good but it's really not relevant.
3) the vikings game was poor execution not poor planning or play calling. if the coaches and players had set the scheme to block the blitzers correctly then calling passing plays wasn't the issue. it's a game about execution and if you execute in the passing game it is virtually impossible to be stopped because of the current rules.

now before you just these comments off as the ramblings of a crazy person, please answer me some questions Juggler.

1) please explain to me how having an average or bad offensive lines makes it more sensible to run the ball? all your doing in that case is wasting time before you punt. wouldn't you'd rather have vick scrambling against a rush than a bad offensive line leading a back into the line?

2) aren't our best offensive weapons Jackson receiving and Vick scrambling?

3) how is having Michael Vick handing the ball off ( you do realize we can't keep him under center because he stumbles and fumbles under center right???) using his talents effectively.

4) when the Eagles are on defense what percentage of the time, against a good QB, do you hope the other team throws a pass? i know i am always thankful when a team with a good to great QB hands the ball off but i'd love to hear your thoughts.

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1-you said you thought the birds passing 80% of the time was conservative for you. this was when talking about the vikings game when vick was playing poorly and the offensive line was really struggling—hence you don’t care how the personnel is performing……………..90% is an absolute joke.
2-while it’s true there are a lot of teams who throw to set up the pass, the numbers i quoted don’t lie and are from years of data. your numbers are from the first quarter of a shootout between 2 of the best qb’s in the league on a night when they are playing as good as anyone who has ever played the position.. and the overall point here is to adjust when things are not going absolutely perfectly as it was for those offenses last night.
3-if your players are not executing, as they were not, it is the coaches responsibility to put them in better positions to make plays. this is exactly what i am talking about

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1-how don’t you know the answer to this question? this shows you don’t know much about football. ask anyone who knows about the game or anyone who’s ever played on the offensive line at any level and they will tell you it is more fun and less challenging to run block as opposed to pass blocking. run blocking you are leaning forward and on the offensive. pass blocking you are constantly backing up and are on the defensive. pass blocking is more complex and is more draining on a line….especially one as beat us the eagles line last year. john runyan’s talked about this before
2-we have great offensive weapons. one of them happens to be our running back who is one of the absolute best in the game…..vick scrambling is not a recipe for winning the super bowl either. this just fits into your video game mindset. this isn’t atlanta. this isn’t 2002. and mike vick isn’t 23 years old anymore. you seem to want vick to want to play like the old mike vick for some reason. the qb you should want him to emulate would be steve young who scrambled when he had to and became a much more efficient pocket passer as he got older.
3-what is wrong with vick passing the ball 63% of the time? not sure how handing off to one of the best running backs in the league 17-19 times a game is such a horrible thing to you.
4-what a ridiculous question. no surprise it comes from the guy who last year wanted a revolving door at qb and this year wants to throw the ball 90% of the time. i think the eagles set a record for giving up the most passing td’s in team history or something last year. this year they have the 3 best corners in the game and a glaring weak spot at linebacker. obviously they will be good against the pass.

the bottom line is you want to throw the ball 90% of the time. take my advice and talk less sports.

The Juggler

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

I see a 7 paragraph post by pjhawks, and I say, "Hmmm, is it worth it to read this? No."

me too. but i had to rebut his utter nonsense. guy wants to throw the ball 90% of the time.

90% :roll:

pjhawks

The Juggler wrote:

:roll:



1-you said you thought the birds passing 80% of the time was conservative for you. this was when talking about the vikings game when vick was playing poorly and the offensive line was really struggling—hence you don’t care how the personnel is performing……………..90% is an absolute joke.
2-while it’s true there are a lot of teams who throw to set up the pass, the numbers i quoted don’t lie and are from years of data. your numbers are from the first quarter of a shootout between 2 of the best qb’s in the league on a night when they are playing as good as anyone who has ever played the position.. and the overall point here is to adjust when things are not going absolutely perfectly as it was for those offenses last night.
3-if your players are not executing, as they were not, it is the coaches responsibility to put them in better positions to make plays. this is exactly what i am talking about

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1-how don’t you know the answer to this question? this shows you don’t know much about football. ask anyone who knows about the game or anyone who’s ever played on the offensive line at any level and they will tell you it is more fun and less challenging to run block as opposed to pass blocking. run blocking you are leaning forward and on the offensive. pass blocking you are constantly backing up and are on the defensive. pass blocking is more complex and is more draining on a line….especially one as beat us the eagles line last year. john runyan’s talked about this before
2-we have great offensive weapons. one of them happens to be our running back who is one of the absolute best in the game…..vick scrambling is not a recipe for winning the super bowl either. this just fits into your video game mindset. this isn’t atlanta. this isn’t 2002. and mike vick isn’t 23 years old anymore. you seem to want vick to want to play like the old mike vick for some reason. the qb you should want him to emulate would be steve young who scrambled when he had to and became a much more efficient pocket passer as he got older.
3-what is wrong with vick passing the ball 63% of the time? not sure how handing off to one of the best running backs in the league 17-19 times a game is such a horrible thing to you.
4-what a ridiculous question. no surprise it comes from the guy who last year wanted a revolving door at qb and this year wants to throw the ball 90% of the time. i think the eagles set a record for giving up the most passing td’s in team history or something last year. this year they have the 3 best corners in the game and a glaring weak spot at linebacker. obviously they will be good against the pass.

the bottom line is you want to throw the ball 90% of the time. take my advice and talk less sports.

actually i said id pass 80% of the time and i never said i wanted a revolving door at QB. as for the vikings game we needed to change the BLOCKING SCHEME not the play calling.

and if you are going to argue against me at least use the right numbers and comments i used before. jeez it's like you've taken lessons from that other clown in that other philly sports thread.

edit: the 90% number was the number i used for effective runs of McCoy's that come from the passing game (draws and quick hitters) as opposed to true rushing plays. of course you disagreed with that but not sure how since our current QB is under center about 10% of the time at most.

The Juggler

hey, way to not even read what i wrote. you really should though. you'd possibly learn something.

pjhawks wrote:

comments:
1) 1st off never said you should pass the ball regardless of personnel. with the personnel this eagles team has the pass is a better option 90% of the time.hts.

now go compare ryan howard to ted williams again.... :roll:

81

these threads are the reason i didn't say hi to any of the philly shirt wearing mofo's.

The Juggler

81 wrote:

these threads are the reason i didn't say hi to any of the philly shirt wearing mofo's.

you didn't meet up with any of these clowns last weekend?

pjhawks

The Juggler wrote:

hey, way to not even read what i wrote. you really should though. you'd possibly learn something.

pjhawks wrote:

comments:
1) 1st off never said you should pass the ball regardless of personnel. with the personnel this eagles team has the pass is a better option 90% of the time.hts.

now go compare ryan howard to ted williams again.... :roll:

babe ruth actually and it's a fact not a comparison - go change your name on here or buy another jersey. oh wait you can't you probably have to sell more of your tickets like fraud fans do

81

The Juggler wrote:

81 wrote:

these threads are the reason i didn't say hi to any of the philly shirt wearing mofo's.

you didn't meet up with any of these clowns last weekend?

no.

i saw a bunch of guys with Phillies shirts on, but was scared to approach them.

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

hey, way to not even read what i wrote. you really should though. you'd possibly learn something.

pjhawks wrote:

comments:
1) 1st off never said you should pass the ball regardless of personnel. with the personnel this eagles team has the pass is a better option 90% of the time.hts.

now go compare ryan howard to ted williams again.... :roll:

babe ruth actually and it's a fact not a comparison - go change your name on here or buy another jersey. oh wait you can't you probably have to sell more of your tickets like fraud fans do

good one! :thumbup:

The Juggler

81 wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

81 wrote:

these threads are the reason i didn't say hi to any of the philly shirt wearing mofo's.

you didn't meet up with any of these clowns last weekend?

no.

i saw a bunch of guys with Phillies shirts on, but was scared to approach them.

as long as you don't want to throw the ball 90% of the time, we'd be cool with the football talk at a future tailgate.

pjhawks

The Juggler wrote:

as long as you don't want to throw the ball 90% of the time, we'd be cool with the football talk at a future tailgate.

so you're saying you only talk with people who agree with you and agree with archaic old fashion principles? what's wrong with a nice dissenting opinion and discussion? change is good

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

as long as you don't want to throw the ball 90% of the time, we'd be cool with the football talk at a future tailgate.

so you're saying you only talk with people who agree with you and agree with archaic old fashion principles? what's wrong with a nice dissenting opinion and discussion? change is good

not at all. i would just prefer to talk sports with people whose opinion i can respect.

you can always tell when someone is talking about something they don't know a lot about it. the conversation's always a little awkward.

jamminpearls

PJHawks i disagree with everything u wrote as well. If that's what u want from this team Jeags is right u might as well start ur own madden 2012 season. I'm not tryn to be a dick as we get along fine in these threads but ur way off here. That Howard comment is correct though!!!!