i think the 6M for the year is the right number. :fp:
Awful. I don't even know that happens. I feel like the Sixers are Kramer when he's in negotiations after he gets burned by his coffee.
And, yeah, that kind of money for Asik is stupid too.
hahaha
this team is so lost. I like the short term one/two year deals they have given out, but the guys they are paying suck balls. They are setting themselves up to have a lot of cap space in 2014, which is good though. I don't know how they are going to convince anyone decent to come play here, but they will have money to spend
i think the 6M for the year is the right number. :fp:
Awful. I don't even know that happens. I feel like the Sixers are Kramer when he's in negotiations after he gets burned by his coffee.
And, yeah, that kind of money for Asik is stupid too.
no its 6m for 2 years. the 2nd's an option. that's chump change.
i've been good with the offseason up until that signing though. it's not a lot of money for a backup center but it just doesnt make a lot of sense to me. i would have liked to see them make a play for oden actually.
for about a year now, i've been hoping for an iggy to utah trade for one of their bigs--or something to that effect. could still happen but i'm not as optimistic as i was a week ago.
all short term deals (really like the wright move...nick young--eh, you get back some of the offense you lost with lou will---but i think wright will be a good fit for this team. spot up shooter. good from 3 pt range. bigger/bettter version of meeks). they are positioning themselves up nicely to seriously contend either next year (assuming they move some of these now moveable pieces) or the year after. so they'll be somewhat competative in the short term, while remaining uncommited in the long run. essentially seeing what they have in the next year or two. i'm cool with that.
by the way--i looove moultrie where they got him. a lot of mocks had him around 15. an athletic big who jrue and evan can run pick and rolls with. i see him getting a lot of lobs/allwy oop dunks when he gets playing time. harkless was a surprise. not gonna get much out of him next year. but he's a good wing defender and they're gonna need that once iggy is, hopefully, dealt.
I still have no idea what they were trying to do. One envisions the Sixers' brass sitting around one day and saying, "Hey, Nick Young is still available. Should we use our amnesty clause on Elton Brand to get him?"
If the goal was to take a free-agency plunge, they should have waived Brand immediately and pushed for some of the better free agents. If the goal was to take a step backward, they should have traded Andre Iguodala while they were at it. If the goal was to replace genuinely valuable players with mediocre players and still lack 2013 cap space? Then they did a fine job.
Philly was a great defensive team that struggled to score, but somehow became obsessed with "toughness" as its biggest need and signed Kwame Brown as the savior. Replacing Brand with Brown actually cost more money. It's still paying Brand $16.06 million this season to compete against them -- and Brown is, by any standard, a monumental downgrade.
Philadelphia did this so it could basically swap Lou Williams and Jodie Meeks for Young and Dorell Wright. The Sixers will be better at shooting, at least, with Young and Wright on the floor. Unfortunately, they'll be worse at everything else.
i made a mess in my pants when told of this today. i love that they're just in the mix. even if it doesnt' work out it shows me they realize their roster is incomplete/work in progress still. iggy for a big man was what i was hoping all these moves would lead to this summer.
and if it happens, and bynum doesn't sign an extension....fine, we will have a ton of flexibility with all the 1-2 year contracts they've given out lately.
edit--i'd think the sixers would end up giving up either future picks and/or another piece to make this work. fine by me.
j a adande (lakers writer) says bynum will resign with sixers.
wow.
MAYBE he wants to be close to home?(he went to Highschool in N.J.-St. Joe Metuchen)
now he's "not sure" if he will resign. he''ll be leaving 40 million off the table if he doesn't go to fa. but maybe his injury history and being closer to home may persuade him to take the money now? if he extends before fa, they still might have some cap flexibility to add more pieces next year. bynum instantly makes them a more attractive destination too.
also---with they get another 3pt threat in richardson. fell off overall last year but still shot about 37% from 3. contract isn't terrible either. as a throw in, that's not bad.
sixers open with the nuggets. that will be fun.
wish iguadala the best. that's a decent young team he's going to.
risky move with bynum's injury history and contract situation, but if they can get him signed I'm cool with this deal. I think they gave up a lot. Gonna hurt not having 2 ones to trade/draft, but bynum immediately becomes their best player.
still think they have a ways to go to become a contender, but I like this move (assuming they get bynum inked)
I hope the lakers lose every game next year. kobe and howard on same team??....ugh, dbag squad
oh my god it wasn't a dream. now all of the core is 25 and under. now you have the 2nd or 3rd best center in the league. now you can officially let evan and jrue sink or swim.
as far as all of the rumored iggy trades over the last couple years this was absolutely best case scenario. you give up an aging iggy at a time when he's trade value has never been higher, vuce--a guy who barely touched the floor the last 2 months of the season and was buried on the depth chart yesterday, a 19 year old rookie project who will take a few years before he develops, and a pick for that dominant player they've been missing for the last decade. even with bynum's issues that is a no brainer.
i'm not overly concerned about contract because even if it gets to next summer, the sixers will have the ability to offer more years and more money than any other team. absolute worst case: they will either have an extremely valuable expiring contract at the trade deadline or will have $20M of cap flexibility a year earlier if he walks next summer.
i've been preaching patience for 2 years now, gentlemen. now you gotta think they have the chance to be maybe the 2nd or 3rd best team in the east... who has a pretty, pretty, large match up problem for miami down low. and with short term contracts literally everywhere on this roster, the future is bright (even the nayest of naysayers can't dispute it now)
BOOM!
trade grades:
Grade: A-
Philadelphia 76ers:
Well, so much for that "Spencer Hawes and Kwame Brown will start" idea.
The Sixers have talked so long about trading Iguodala and they finally pulled the trigger, landing a franchise center in the process. There's a lot to be concerned about for Philly. He's an expiring contract. He can be problematic on and off-court. He's got a significant injury risk.
But he's also the second-best center in the league. The Sixers have an offensive force to turn to, their biggest problem last season. Evan Turner gave them the ability to move Iguodala without positional loss. Losing Iguodala is a phenomenal talent out the door, but they get one back in Bynum. They needed to try and take a step forward. They did. Iguodala's skills were covered by Turner and Thaddeus Young.
They saw a chance to take a big shot at a superstar center, which Bynum evolved into last year. It was time to pull the trigger.
I don't care if Bynum doesn't sign. It's still a solid move to free up the logjam with the tweeners, and they've left themselves with plenty of movement in the cash department. Worst case is we bomb and you can still flip him for something, and if he doesn't re-sign - big whoop - you have a shit load of cash to go get someone else.
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the only concern i would have if i was a sixers fan is the mental makeup of bynum ... this guy has a history of going squirrel y ... in LA, there was Phil and Kobe to kind of keep him in line but he now goes to a team where the primary veteran is j. rich. ...
the only concern i would have if i was a sixers fan is the mental makeup of bynum ... this guy has a history of going squirrel y ... in LA, there was Phil and Kobe to kind of keep him in line but he now goes to a team where the primary veteran is j. rich. ...
did you guys give up draft picks too?
This is known, but hey, who's not a headcase in the NBA anymore?
Yeah, each team gave up a #1 to Orlando, but they were all protected. So not that bad.
I don't care if Bynum doesn't sign. It's still a solid move to free up the logjam with the tweeners, and they've left themselves with plenty of movement in the cash department. Worst case is we bomb and you can still flip him for something, and if he doesn't re-sign - big whoop - you have a shit load of cash to go get someone else.
agreed. would be much easier to build around him and jrue (young, dominant center/young, up and coming point guard) than having to get someone else. but they've got a ton of flexibility for the first time in forever. i think they resign him though. bird rights!
if they play their cards right, this could be a beast of a team for the better part of the next decade. wish the season starts tomorrow.
And another thing - I don't care how much of a nut job he is. We should be out at every game in full force on our knees slurping this guy so he decides to stay. (barring any injuries of course) Give this guy the right field treatment.
i think i am more excited about the sixers than any other team in the city right now. sports guy's take:
WINNER: The Sixers They finally made a real move! Who knew the Sixers could make trades and stuff???? I loved this particular risk for them — basically, they flipped Iguodala (with whom they never won anything), Harkless (a project), Nik Vucevic (a young banger with potential) and a protected first-rounder into the league's second-best center and a proven/overpaid 2-guard who was out of shape for much of last year but isn't washed up by any means (Jason Richardson).4 They bring Bynum closer to his hometown (New Jersey), throw him in the East (where he's immediately the best center in the conference), give him his own team and his own grateful fan base (the Sixers fans have been starving for a signature guy since Iverson left), give him 20 shots a game (which he always wanted), and hope he likes playing with Evan Turner, Jrue Holiday and everyone else enough that he'll extend long-term next summer.
My fears in order …
Fear No. 1: They're building around someone who just played his first injury-free season in five years. You can't forget the injury risks here, even if (to paraphrase Val Kilmer in Heat), the Bynum is worth the risk.
Fear No. 2: They're building around two of the league's moodiest and most enigmatic players (Bynum and Turner). That one worries me. You can get away with one enigma (see: Rondo, Rajon), but if you have two, suddenly there's a risk that they'll be hanging out and enabling each other's moodiness OR trying to out-enigma each other. Not saying it can't work … just saying it's a red flag.
Fear No. 3: Along those same lines, Bynum is a relatively strange guy, someone who loves pushing buttons, saying head-scratching things and keeping people on their toes. In Los Angeles, nobody really cared — Kobe pulled all the attention away from him, and besides, it's not like L.A. is a ravenous, life-or-death sports market or anything. The Laker fans love their team, but they also live near the Pacific Ocean in a place that's 75 degrees every day. Tends to keep everything in perspective.
Put it this way: You would never put the words "Philly" and "keep everything in perspective" in the same sentence. The two craziest, most overreactionary, life-or-death sports cities in America are probably Philly and Boston — because of their cold weather, because of their provincialism, because of their respective tortured histories, and because their sports media members love nothing more than pushing people's buttons and blowing stuff out of proportion. If Bynum thinks he can show up in Philly and loaf through a game, throw a teammate or coach under the bus, or toss out one of those weird Bynum quotes like, "For as long as I'm on the Sixers, even if it's just for a few months, I'm gonna give it my best" … he's sorely mistaken. Putting a Sixers uniform on Bynum is going to be riveting.
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Tom O.
"I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
-The Writer
hahaha
this team is so lost. I like the short term one/two year deals they have given out, but the guys they are paying suck balls. They are setting themselves up to have a lot of cap space in 2014, which is good though. I don't know how they are going to convince anyone decent to come play here, but they will have money to spend
they are going nowhere fast. as usual
Tom O.
"I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
-The Writer
no its 6m for 2 years. the 2nd's an option. that's chump change.
i've been good with the offseason up until that signing though. it's not a lot of money for a backup center but it just doesnt make a lot of sense to me. i would have liked to see them make a play for oden actually.
for about a year now, i've been hoping for an iggy to utah trade for one of their bigs--or something to that effect. could still happen but i'm not as optimistic as i was a week ago.
all short term deals (really like the wright move...nick young--eh, you get back some of the offense you lost with lou will---but i think wright will be a good fit for this team. spot up shooter. good from 3 pt range. bigger/bettter version of meeks). they are positioning themselves up nicely to seriously contend either next year (assuming they move some of these now moveable pieces) or the year after. so they'll be somewhat competative in the short term, while remaining uncommited in the long run. essentially seeing what they have in the next year or two. i'm cool with that.
by the way--i looove moultrie where they got him. a lot of mocks had him around 15. an athletic big who jrue and evan can run pick and rolls with. i see him getting a lot of lobs/allwy oop dunks when he gets playing time. harkless was a surprise. not gonna get much out of him next year. but he's a good wing defender and they're gonna need that once iggy is, hopefully, dealt.
Summary of offseason...top 3 good and bad
The Bad
Philadelphia 76ers
I still have no idea what they were trying to do. One envisions the Sixers' brass sitting around one day and saying, "Hey, Nick Young is still available. Should we use our amnesty clause on Elton Brand to get him?"
If the goal was to take a free-agency plunge, they should have waived Brand immediately and pushed for some of the better free agents. If the goal was to take a step backward, they should have traded Andre Iguodala while they were at it. If the goal was to replace genuinely valuable players with mediocre players and still lack 2013 cap space? Then they did a fine job.
Philly was a great defensive team that struggled to score, but somehow became obsessed with "toughness" as its biggest need and signed Kwame Brown as the savior. Replacing Brand with Brown actually cost more money. It's still paying Brand $16.06 million this season to compete against them -- and Brown is, by any standard, a monumental downgrade.
Philadelphia did this so it could basically swap Lou Williams and Jodie Meeks for Young and Dorell Wright. The Sixers will be better at shooting, at least, with Young and Wright on the floor. Unfortunately, they'll be worse at everything else.
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i made a mess in my pants when told of this today. i love that they're just in the mix. even if it doesnt' work out it shows me they realize their roster is incomplete/work in progress still. iggy for a big man was what i was hoping all these moves would lead to this summer.
and if it happens, and bynum doesn't sign an extension....fine, we will have a ton of flexibility with all the 1-2 year contracts they've given out lately.
edit--i'd think the sixers would end up giving up either future picks and/or another piece to make this work. fine by me.
BEST.
OFF SEASON.
EVER.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/82520 ... l-complete
nba has to approve it tomorrow morning.
TAKE THE NIGHT AND RUN MOTHER FUCKERS!!
SG: Wright, N. Young
SF: Turner, J Richardson
PF: Allen, T. Young, Moultrie
C: Bynum, Hawes, Kwame
?
i like it.
let turner be the point/forward type of player iggy was. i can't wait for the season to start...
T. Young is now the senior member of this team.
All that I once held as true
I stand alone without beliefs
The only truth I know is you.
wow.
MAYBE he wants to be close to home?(he went to Highschool in N.J.-St. Joe Metuchen)
now he's "not sure" if he will resign. he''ll be leaving 40 million off the table if he doesn't go to fa. but maybe his injury history and being closer to home may persuade him to take the money now? if he extends before fa, they still might have some cap flexibility to add more pieces next year. bynum instantly makes them a more attractive destination too.
also---with they get another 3pt threat in richardson. fell off overall last year but still shot about 37% from 3. contract isn't terrible either. as a throw in, that's not bad.
sixers open with the nuggets. that will be fun.
wish iguadala the best. that's a decent young team he's going to.
still think they have a ways to go to become a contender, but I like this move (assuming they get bynum inked)
I hope the lakers lose every game next year. kobe and howard on same team??....ugh, dbag squad
as far as all of the rumored iggy trades over the last couple years this was absolutely best case scenario. you give up an aging iggy at a time when he's trade value has never been higher, vuce--a guy who barely touched the floor the last 2 months of the season and was buried on the depth chart yesterday, a 19 year old rookie project who will take a few years before he develops, and a pick for that dominant player they've been missing for the last decade. even with bynum's issues that is a no brainer.
i'm not overly concerned about contract because even if it gets to next summer, the sixers will have the ability to offer more years and more money than any other team. absolute worst case: they will either have an extremely valuable expiring contract at the trade deadline or will have $20M of cap flexibility a year earlier if he walks next summer.
i've been preaching patience for 2 years now, gentlemen. now you gotta think they have the chance to be maybe the 2nd or 3rd best team in the east... who has a pretty, pretty, large match up problem for miami down low. and with short term contracts literally everywhere on this roster, the future is bright (even the nayest of naysayers can't dispute it now)
BOOM!
trade grades:
Grade: A-
Philadelphia 76ers:
Well, so much for that "Spencer Hawes and Kwame Brown will start" idea.
The Sixers have talked so long about trading Iguodala and they finally pulled the trigger, landing a franchise center in the process. There's a lot to be concerned about for Philly. He's an expiring contract. He can be problematic on and off-court. He's got a significant injury risk.
But he's also the second-best center in the league. The Sixers have an offensive force to turn to, their biggest problem last season. Evan Turner gave them the ability to move Iguodala without positional loss. Losing Iguodala is a phenomenal talent out the door, but they get one back in Bynum. They needed to try and take a step forward. They did. Iguodala's skills were covered by Turner and Thaddeus Young.
They saw a chance to take a big shot at a superstar center, which Bynum evolved into last year. It was time to pull the trigger.
We'll see if they can hit their target.
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did you guys give up draft picks too?
This is known, but hey, who's not a headcase in the NBA anymore?
Yeah, each team gave up a #1 to Orlando, but they were all protected. So not that bad.
agreed. would be much easier to build around him and jrue (young, dominant center/young, up and coming point guard) than having to get someone else. but they've got a ton of flexibility for the first time in forever. i think they resign him though. bird rights!
if they play their cards right, this could be a beast of a team for the better part of the next decade. wish the season starts tomorrow.
WINNER: The Sixers They finally made a real move! Who knew the Sixers could make trades and stuff???? I loved this particular risk for them — basically, they flipped Iguodala (with whom they never won anything), Harkless (a project), Nik Vucevic (a young banger with potential) and a protected first-rounder into the league's second-best center and a proven/overpaid 2-guard who was out of shape for much of last year but isn't washed up by any means (Jason Richardson).4 They bring Bynum closer to his hometown (New Jersey), throw him in the East (where he's immediately the best center in the conference), give him his own team and his own grateful fan base (the Sixers fans have been starving for a signature guy since Iverson left), give him 20 shots a game (which he always wanted), and hope he likes playing with Evan Turner, Jrue Holiday and everyone else enough that he'll extend long-term next summer.
My fears in order …
Fear No. 1: They're building around someone who just played his first injury-free season in five years. You can't forget the injury risks here, even if (to paraphrase Val Kilmer in Heat), the Bynum is worth the risk.
Fear No. 2: They're building around two of the league's moodiest and most enigmatic players (Bynum and Turner). That one worries me. You can get away with one enigma (see: Rondo, Rajon), but if you have two, suddenly there's a risk that they'll be hanging out and enabling each other's moodiness OR trying to out-enigma each other. Not saying it can't work … just saying it's a red flag.
Fear No. 3: Along those same lines, Bynum is a relatively strange guy, someone who loves pushing buttons, saying head-scratching things and keeping people on their toes. In Los Angeles, nobody really cared — Kobe pulled all the attention away from him, and besides, it's not like L.A. is a ravenous, life-or-death sports market or anything. The Laker fans love their team, but they also live near the Pacific Ocean in a place that's 75 degrees every day. Tends to keep everything in perspective.
Put it this way: You would never put the words "Philly" and "keep everything in perspective" in the same sentence. The two craziest, most overreactionary, life-or-death sports cities in America are probably Philly and Boston — because of their cold weather, because of their provincialism, because of their respective tortured histories, and because their sports media members love nothing more than pushing people's buttons and blowing stuff out of proportion. If Bynum thinks he can show up in Philly and loaf through a game, throw a teammate or coach under the bus, or toss out one of those weird Bynum quotes like, "For as long as I'm on the Sixers, even if it's just for a few months, I'm gonna give it my best" … he's sorely mistaken. Putting a Sixers uniform on Bynum is going to be riveting.
Tom O.
"I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
-The Writer
hard to believe this is the same franchise that won 20 games with eddie jordan as their coach just a few years ago. 180 degree turnaround.
bynum wearing a sixers t shirt. LOVE IT!!