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The Juggler

RiotZact said:

I think it might be time to either A. Accept that Simmons can’t/isn’t willing to shoot and plan/build around that reality or B. Trade him if you aren’t willing to accept that.

I prefer option A. I’ve never seen a player ridiculed so much for having one sole weakness. Yes, shooting is extremely important, but look at everything else. Defense, passing, creating transition opportunities, driving to the bucket. He is not only good at those things, he’s elite. You can count on one hand the number of players in the NBA that are better than him in those. There are 5 people on the court, each with their own skill set. 1 player on the court missing one and only one skill should not be the difference between contending for a title and not contending for the title.  

He's an all star. He is a great player. He is elite. I get all of that and I love him but let's not pretend not shooting the ball is a minor little weakness for an NBA basketball player. It's kind of important.  All you have to do is look at what happened to him the playoffs last year to see how detrimental a player as important as him not shooting is to this team. His numbers decreased in just about every major category.

It's really not that much to ask of the guy to just shoot the fucking ball. Not even talking about making the shots. Just at least let the defense think you might to give your big man some space. It's not rocket science. 

pjhawks

The Juggler said:

RiotZact said:

I think it might be time to either A. Accept that Simmons can’t/isn’t willing to shoot and plan/build around that reality or B. Trade him if you aren’t willing to accept that.

I prefer option A. I’ve never seen a player ridiculed so much for having one sole weakness. Yes, shooting is extremely important, but look at everything else. Defense, passing, creating transition opportunities, driving to the bucket. He is not only good at those things, he’s elite. You can count on one hand the number of players in the NBA that are better than him in those. There are 5 people on the court, each with their own skill set. 1 player on the court missing one and only one skill should not be the difference between contending for a title and not contending for the title.  

He's an all star. He is a great player. He is elite. I get all of that and I love him but let's not pretend not shooting the ball is a minor little weakness for an NBA basketball player. It's kind of important.  All you have to do is look at what happened to him the playoffs last year to see how detrimental a player as important as him not shooting is to this team. His numbers decreased in just about every major category.

It's really not that much to ask of the guy to just shoot the fucking ball. Not even talking about making the shots. Just at least let the defense think you might to give your big man some space. It's not rocket science. 

I get this to some extent but the idea that just shooting it is important is kind of silly. He needs to be a viable threat, if he is not a viable threat then don’t shoot the ball. Bad shots don’t help either. One of the reasons his lack of shooting hurts this team is because the roster makeup is horrendous. 

Simmons being out will show us how much of a load Embiid can handle and how much he can carry a team.  Will he actually be able to stay on the court for a seven game series let alone four of them? Highly doubtful

RiotZact

The Juggler said:

RiotZact said:

I think it might be time to either A. Accept that Simmons can’t/isn’t willing to shoot and plan/build around that reality or B. Trade him if you aren’t willing to accept that.

I prefer option A. I’ve never seen a player ridiculed so much for having one sole weakness. Yes, shooting is extremely important, but look at everything else. Defense, passing, creating transition opportunities, driving to the bucket. He is not only good at those things, he’s elite. You can count on one hand the number of players in the NBA that are better than him in those. There are 5 people on the court, each with their own skill set. 1 player on the court missing one and only one skill should not be the difference between contending for a title and not contending for the title.  

He's an all star. He is a great player. He is elite. I get all of that and I love him but let's not pretend not shooting the ball is a minor little weakness for an NBA basketball player. It's kind of important.  All you have to do is look at what happened to him the playoffs last year to see how detrimental a player as important as him not shooting is to this team. His numbers decreased in just about every major category.

It's really not that much to ask of the guy to just shoot the fucking ball. Not even talking about making the shots. Just at least let the defense think you might to give your big man some space. It's not rocket science. 

What if he really is just that bad though? I thought about this the other night during the Spurs game. DeRozen shoots 27% from 3. It doesn’t do anything but make the other team laugh at him. It doesn’t create space, it doesn’t create opportunities for his teammates, it wastes possessions. 

Don’t get me wrong, it would be awesome if he started shooting more. I would be just excited as anyone else if he did. But when is enough enough? When do they either move on from him or commit to working around the issue? It’s been 3 full seasons and nothing has changed.

Also, it seems like a pretty big part of the problem is psychological, so is the best way to correct something like that to put a huge amount of pressure on him? I would think not, it only makes it worse. If he’s listening to the fans, the talking heads, and even some of his own teammates and coaches, then he feels like the success of the team hinges on his ability to shoot. Perhaps if people accepted him for what he is and the coaches/administration committed to surrounding him with the right teammates, then the problem might fix itself. 

The Juggler

RiotZact said:

The Juggler said:

RiotZact said:

I think it might be time to either A. Accept that Simmons can’t/isn’t willing to shoot and plan/build around that reality or B. Trade him if you aren’t willing to accept that.

I prefer option A. I’ve never seen a player ridiculed so much for having one sole weakness. Yes, shooting is extremely important, but look at everything else. Defense, passing, creating transition opportunities, driving to the bucket. He is not only good at those things, he’s elite. You can count on one hand the number of players in the NBA that are better than him in those. There are 5 people on the court, each with their own skill set. 1 player on the court missing one and only one skill should not be the difference between contending for a title and not contending for the title.  

He's an all star. He is a great player. He is elite. I get all of that and I love him but let's not pretend not shooting the ball is a minor little weakness for an NBA basketball player. It's kind of important.  All you have to do is look at what happened to him the playoffs last year to see how detrimental a player as important as him not shooting is to this team. His numbers decreased in just about every major category.

It's really not that much to ask of the guy to just shoot the fucking ball. Not even talking about making the shots. Just at least let the defense think you might to give your big man some space. It's not rocket science. 

What if he really is just that bad though? I thought about this the other night during the Spurs game. DeRozen shoots 27% from 3. It doesn’t do anything but make the other team laugh at him. It doesn’t create space, it doesn’t create opportunities for his teammates, it wastes possessions. 

Don’t get me wrong, it would be awesome if he started shooting more. I would be just excited as anyone else if he did. But when is enough enough? When do they either move on from him or commit to working around the issue? It’s been 3 full seasons and nothing has changed.

Also, it seems like a pretty big part of the problem is psychological, so is the best way to correct something like that to put a huge amount of pressure on him? I would think not, it only makes it worse. If he’s listening to the fans, the talking heads, and even some of his own teammates and coaches, then he feels like the success of the team hinges on his ability to shoot. Perhaps if people accepted him for what he is and the coaches/administration committed to surrounding him with the right teammates, then the problem might fix itself. 

I don't know man. It probably is a mental issue to some extent. Jason Kidd couldn't shoot at all early on but he seemed to get better and better.

Derozen is a different kind of player. He's one of the best mid range players in the game. He'd be a much better all around player if he was better from 3 though. Ben, on the other hand, rarely attempts anything outside of the lane....

He can't go his whole career not shooting the ball. He just can't. 

RiotZact

The Juggler said:

RiotZact said:

The Juggler said:

RiotZact said:

I think it might be time to either A. Accept that Simmons can’t/isn’t willing to shoot and plan/build around that reality or B. Trade him if you aren’t willing to accept that.

I prefer option A. I’ve never seen a player ridiculed so much for having one sole weakness. Yes, shooting is extremely important, but look at everything else. Defense, passing, creating transition opportunities, driving to the bucket. He is not only good at those things, he’s elite. You can count on one hand the number of players in the NBA that are better than him in those. There are 5 people on the court, each with their own skill set. 1 player on the court missing one and only one skill should not be the difference between contending for a title and not contending for the title.  

He's an all star. He is a great player. He is elite. I get all of that and I love him but let's not pretend not shooting the ball is a minor little weakness for an NBA basketball player. It's kind of important.  All you have to do is look at what happened to him the playoffs last year to see how detrimental a player as important as him not shooting is to this team. His numbers decreased in just about every major category.

It's really not that much to ask of the guy to just shoot the fucking ball. Not even talking about making the shots. Just at least let the defense think you might to give your big man some space. It's not rocket science. 

What if he really is just that bad though? I thought about this the other night during the Spurs game. DeRozen shoots 27% from 3. It doesn’t do anything but make the other team laugh at him. It doesn’t create space, it doesn’t create opportunities for his teammates, it wastes possessions. 

Don’t get me wrong, it would be awesome if he started shooting more. I would be just excited as anyone else if he did. But when is enough enough? When do they either move on from him or commit to working around the issue? It’s been 3 full seasons and nothing has changed.

Also, it seems like a pretty big part of the problem is psychological, so is the best way to correct something like that to put a huge amount of pressure on him? I would think not, it only makes it worse. If he’s listening to the fans, the talking heads, and even some of his own teammates and coaches, then he feels like the success of the team hinges on his ability to shoot. Perhaps if people accepted him for what he is and the coaches/administration committed to surrounding him with the right teammates, then the problem might fix itself. 

I don't know man. It probably is a mental issue to some extent. Jason Kidd couldn't shoot at all early on but he seemed to get better and better.

Derozen is a different kind of player. He's one of the best mid range players in the game. He'd be a much better all around player if he was better from 3 though. Ben, on the other hand, rarely attempts anything outside of the lane....

He can't go his whole career not shooting the ball. He just can't. 

I realize that. I guess I’m just torn on the timeline of when it might become a regular thing. On one hand, he has all the time in the world if he stays relatively healthy because of how young he is. But Embiid is a little older and with his constant health problems probably has a much shorter career or at least a shorter prime. So each year that this remains the #1 issue for the team, that’s another year of Embiid’s career wasted. 

I think they had the right idea with snatching up Tobi last year, but that’s just if you look at his 3 point shooting percentage from last year with LA on paper. If you actually look at the type of 3s he was taking, they aren’t really what the Sixers need to cover up the weakness of Simmons not shooting. You almost need one of these guys that can pull up from the logo. Almost all of them are a liability on D, but with Simmons and Embiid being such elite defenders and assuming Richardson and Thybulle could stick around for awhile I’d imagine they could pick up the slack enough for it to be worth it. 

Poncier

The Juggler said:

RiotZact said:

I think it might be time to either A. Accept that Simmons can’t/isn’t willing to shoot and plan/build around that reality or B. Trade him if you aren’t willing to accept that.

I prefer option A. I’ve never seen a player ridiculed so much for having one sole weakness. Yes, shooting is extremely important, but look at everything else. Defense, passing, creating transition opportunities, driving to the bucket. He is not only good at those things, he’s elite. You can count on one hand the number of players in the NBA that are better than him in those. There are 5 people on the court, each with their own skill set. 1 player on the court missing one and only one skill should not be the difference between contending for a title and not contending for the title.  

He's an all star. He is a great player. He is elite. 

All star, yes.
Great player, sure.
Elite...not even close at this point.

RiotZact

Poncier said:

The Juggler said:

RiotZact said:

I think it might be time to either A. Accept that Simmons can’t/isn’t willing to shoot and plan/build around that reality or B. Trade him if you aren’t willing to accept that.

I prefer option A. I’ve never seen a player ridiculed so much for having one sole weakness. Yes, shooting is extremely important, but look at everything else. Defense, passing, creating transition opportunities, driving to the bucket. He is not only good at those things, he’s elite. You can count on one hand the number of players in the NBA that are better than him in those. There are 5 people on the court, each with their own skill set. 1 player on the court missing one and only one skill should not be the difference between contending for a title and not contending for the title.  

He's an all star. He is a great player. He is elite. 

All star, yes.
Great player, sure.
Elite...not even close at this point.

I suppose it depends on your definition. There are 7 billion+ people in this world and he is in the top 20 at playing basketball. 

The Juggler

Maybe elite is a step too far. He’d certainly be elite if he at least attempted and made a few jumpers a game though!

ed243421

And in the top 6 1/2 billion at shooting a basketball

RiotZact

ed243421 said:

And in the top 6 1/2 billion at shooting a basketball

Lol! 

Prime Shaq would also have met that description. Not that I’m comparing the two, but I don’t think it should be an immediate disqualification.

For the record, I don’t think he’s “elite” yet. I’d say that’s the top 10 or so. But I think if he found a way to average 20+ points a game he would be, which plenty of players without a jump shot have done. 

Poncier

Yeah, elite to me says:
LeBron
Kawhi
Steph
The Brow
KD
Giannis
Lillard
Harden (strictly offensively in his case)
Westbrook.
I wouldn't even put Embiid there yet (he'll get there if he stays healthy) and he's way ahead of Simmons on the road to elite status.

RiotZact

Poncier said:

Yeah, elite to me says:
LeBron
Kawhi
Steph
The Brow
KD
Giannis
Lillard
Harden (strictly offensively in his case)
Westbrook.
I wouldn't even put Embiid there yet (he'll get there if he stays healthy) and he's way ahead of Simmons on the road to elite status.

I agree with everything you said except Westbrook I’ll take Embiid > Westbrook all day, every day. 

RiotZact

Also, I think Embiid’s “elite” status hinges more on his level of effort than his health. 

Poncier

RiotZact said:

Also, I think Embiid’s “elite” status hinges more on his level of effort than his health. 

Probably both.

The Juggler

Simmons can be both elite and generational if he starts making a high percentage of the shots we hope he eventually starts taking. lol

RiotZact

Kind of a fun game to watch yesterday. A lot of the regular rotation guys actually played really poorly while some of the deep bench guys like Neto and O’Quinn had monster games. I doubt it has to much of an impact on the playoff rotation but I would think BB would have to put a little extra consideration into some of those guys. 

The Juggler

Embiid playing tonight. 

RiotZact

Does anyone here have any insight on season tickets? I was on the phone with a sales agent yesterday and they are doing a deal right now where you can put 10% down on seats and you will have your seats reserved for you and you won’t have to pay anything else until an official plan for fans returning to games is announced. He claims that the only reason there are seats available in decent sections is because of COVID and that normally I would have no chance. 

Anyone know if the pickings are really that slim during a regular year? Anyone a season ticket holder or know any season ticket holders?

The Juggler

Turnovers. 

I don't have any season ticket insight, sorry man

Cliffy6745

RiotZact said:

Does anyone here have any insight on season tickets? I was on the phone with a sales agent yesterday and they are doing a deal right now where you can put 10% down on seats and you will have your seats reserved for you and you won’t have to pay anything else until an official plan for fans returning to games is announced. He claims that the only reason there are seats available in decent sections is because of COVID and that normally I would have no chance. 

Anyone know if the pickings are really that slim during a regular year? Anyone a season ticket holder or know any season ticket holders?

I forgot about this. I have a friend who has full season tickets in a club box. He’s not renewing next year. There will be plenty of seats available when this comes back. Are you thinking about a full plan? Where in the building? They’ll always find you seats the more games you are willing to buy.  It’s definitely been tighter the last few seasons, especially as they’ve gotten more shady with the stubhub thing, but I’d imagine when things come back, you’d have your pick of what you want, assuming full capacity at least