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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,710
    edited October 2012
    DS1119 wrote:
    I guess Michael Kay is a lunatic. :crazy:

    I like Michael Kay as a play by play guy and think he has a decent opinion but he is also not the most rational person in the world.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuUTqSKNAH0

    Edit: I also can't find where he says he should be gone.
    Post edited by Cliffy6745 on
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,710
    DS1119 wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    This is the most rational Yankee community on the web

    http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/10/ ... rodriguez/

    I don't agree with his opinion, I think he is being irrational because he wants him back and doesn't think it is going to happen, but take a look through there.

    You'll find a whole lot of your opinion at LoHud, River Ave and the likes.


    I love how becasue I have my opinion you discount it since it doesn't agree with yours and I must be an idiot. I;m still waiting for the team's batting average withRISP to resort back to the mean. :lol:

    I discount your opinion on Arod because you have never liked him and never wanted him on the team.

    And I'm still waiting for Damon to get a job. We can go around in circles with predictions.
  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    I guess Michael Kay is a lunatic. :crazy:

    I like Michael Kay as a play by play guy and think he has a decent opinion but he is also not the most rational person in the world.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuUTqSKNAH0


    Wow, :lol::lol: go Mikey, dont take no shit!
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    I guess Michael Kay is a lunatic. :crazy:

    I like Michael Kay as a play by play guy and think he has a decent opinion but he is also not the most rational person in the world.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuUTqSKNAH0

    Edit: I also can't find where he says he should be gone.


    Seriously? Have you heard any of his interviews the past two weeks on Mike and Mike?
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    This is the most rational Yankee community on the web

    http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2012/10/ ... rodriguez/

    I don't agree with his opinion, I think he is being irrational because he wants him back and doesn't think it is going to happen, but take a look through there.

    You'll find a whole lot of your opinion at LoHud, River Ave and the likes.


    I love how becasue I have my opinion you discount it since it doesn't agree with yours and I must be an idiot. I;m still waiting for the team's batting average withRISP to resort back to the mean. :lol:

    I discount your opinion on Arod because you have never liked him and never wanted him on the team.

    And I'm still waiting for Damon to get a job. We can go around in circles with predictions.


    I like any Yankees that produces. He has really never produced. He had the one strong post season in 09. That's it. Even his numbers in the regualr season are inflated. He's the guy that goes 4/6 with 2 HRS and 7RBI's in a blowout but is completely absent in a 4-3 loss. That's a fact.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,710
    DS1119 wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    I guess Michael Kay is a lunatic. :crazy:

    I like Michael Kay as a play by play guy and think he has a decent opinion but he is also not the most rational person in the world.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuUTqSKNAH0

    Edit: I also can't find where he says he should be gone.


    Seriously? Have you heard any of his interviews the past two weeks on Mike and Mike?

    I have not. I don't listen to much sports talk radio. Talk about irrational. I listen to Francesca here and there and very occasionaly Kay. I would like Mike and Mike to fight to the death.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,710
    edited October 2012
    DS1119 wrote:

    I like any Yankees that produces. He has really never produced. He had the one strong post season in 09. That's it. Even his numbers in the regualr season are inflated. He's the guy that goes 4/6 with 2 HRS and 7RBI's in a blowout but is completely absent in a 4-3 loss. That's a fact.

    That is a bit exaggerated. Luckily there is a stat to calculate just that. Definitely not like some others, but until the past couple years, constantly in the top 20 and in 2007 the best in baseball.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?pl ... robability

    Edit: And I will say, that I was shocked at 2008. That is the definition of what you are talking about but aside from that and up until last year, these numbers aren't bad at all.
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  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Cliffy6745 wrote:

    I have not. I don't listen to much sports talk radio. Talk about irrational. I listen to Francesca here and there and very occasionaly Kay. I would like Mike and Mike to fight to the death.

    Which Mike and Mike? Greenburg and Golic a or Kay and Francesa?


    Maybe they could have one big Battle Royale?
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,710
    DS1119 wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:

    I have not. I don't listen to much sports talk radio. Talk about irrational. I listen to Francesca here and there and very occasionaly Kay. I would like Mike and Mike to fight to the death.

    Which Mike and Mike? Greenburg and Golic a or Kay and Francesa?


    Maybe they could have one big Battle Royale?

    Greenberg and Golic. I am not a fan at all. I think Golic is just a bit of a big dofus and don't have too much against him but Greenberg is just a twerp to me.

    That would be an interesting fight though. Francesca might fall asleep though, so you gotta give the edge to the other two. :lol:

    So weird that all 4 of the have the same name. :lol:
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Cliffy6745 wrote:

    Greenberg and Golic. I am not a fan at all. I think Golic is just a bit of a big dofus and don't have too much against him but Greenberg is just a twerp to me.

    That would be an interesting fight though. Francesca might fall asleep though, so you gotta give the edge to the other two. :lol:

    So weird that all 4 of the have the same name. :lol:


    Greenburgh knows his shit. Golic knows football and has some nice opinions on other sports. Kay knows the Yankees and Francesa knows how to push the right buttons to somehow stay on radio and TV. In a four man battle royale I would put my money on Greeny being able to outsmart all of them somehow. :lol:
  • In the Late and Close situations, which are defined as the following:

    The game is in the seventh inning or later, and
    the batting team is either leading by one run, tied, or has the potential tying run on base, at bat, or on deck

    Rodriguez is a .272 hitter (350-for-1285) with 83 home runs and 272 RBI. He was a respectable .283 with two home runs and 10 RBI this season. Last year he was .167. Below is his average with the Yankees in those situations

    2004 - .275
    2005 - .293
    2006 - .237
    2007 - 357
    2008 - .257
    2009 - .310
    2010 - .229
    Reading 2004
    Albany 2006 Camden 2006 E. Rutherford 2, 2006 Inglewood 2006,
    Chicago 2007
    Camden 2008 MSG 2008 MSG 2008 Hartford 2008.
    Seattle 2009 Seattle 2009 Philadelphia 2009,Philadelphia 2009 Philadelphia 2009
    Hartford 2010 MSG 2010 MSG 2010
    Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
    Wrigley Field 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Philadelphia 2, 2013
    Philadelphia 1, 2016 Philadelphia 2 2016 New York 2016 New York 2016 Fenway 1, 2016
    Fenway 2, 2018
    MSG 2022
    St. Paul, 1, St. Paul 2 2023
    MSG 2024, MSG 2024
    Philadelphia 2024
    "I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
    Things happen in the game. Nothing you
    can do. I don't go and say,
    "I'm gonna beat this guy up."
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,710
    In the Late and Close situations, which are defined as the following:

    The game is in the seventh inning or later, and
    the batting team is either leading by one run, tied, or has the potential tying run on base, at bat, or on deck

    Rodriguez is a .272 hitter (350-for-1285) with 83 home runs and 272 RBI. He was a respectable .283 with two home runs and 10 RBI this season. Last year he was .167. Below is his average with the Yankees in those situations

    2004 - .275
    2005 - .293
    2006 - .237
    2007 - 357
    2008 - .257
    2009 - .310
    2010 - .229

    So almost 30% of his home runs have come late in the game in close situations over his Yankee career. That seems pretty impressive to me, but I could be wrong. I'd like to see how that compares to other players lie Cano and Tex. Even Jeter.
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    In the Late and Close situations, which are defined as the following:

    The game is in the seventh inning or later, and
    the batting team is either leading by one run, tied, or has the potential tying run on base, at bat, or on deck

    Rodriguez is a .272 hitter (350-for-1285) with 83 home runs and 272 RBI. He was a respectable .283 with two home runs and 10 RBI this season. Last year he was .167. Below is his average with the Yankees in those situations

    2004 - .275
    2005 - .293
    2006 - .237
    2007 - 357
    2008 - .257
    2009 - .310
    2010 - .229


    Do you have these numbers vs. the rest of the yankees team as a whole and do youhave his numbers in the playoffs?
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,710
    And just so I don't come off as the only one. I already posted the Bronx Banter which is my favorite Yankee site but here are a few others that are not full of crazies who want them to trade and fire everyone.

    http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/2012/10/o ... guez-46024

    http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/2012/10/c ... nuts-46042

    http://itsaboutthemoney.net/archives/20 ... -rod-mess/

    All people that I feel are much more reasonable than the talking heads on ESPN and the likes who make money off hysteria.
  • DS1119 wrote:
    In the Late and Close situations, which are defined as the following:

    The game is in the seventh inning or later, and
    the batting team is either leading by one run, tied, or has the potential tying run on base, at bat, or on deck

    Rodriguez is a .272 hitter (350-for-1285) with 83 home runs and 272 RBI. He was a respectable .283 with two home runs and 10 RBI this season. Last year he was .167. Below is his average with the Yankees in those situations

    2004 - .275
    2005 - .293
    2006 - .237
    2007 - 357
    2008 - .257
    2009 - .310
    2010 - .229


    Do you have these numbers vs. the rest of the yankees team as a whole and do youhave his numbers in the playoffs?

    For the team, they were .261 with 40 home runs and 130 RBI.

    Cano was .286 (24-for-84) with four home runs and nine RBI

    Teixeira was .390 (23-for-59) with eight home runs and 29 RBI

    By comparison, Miguel Cabrera was .337 with seven home runs and 21 RBI while Prince Fielder was .315 with three home runs and 17 RBI.
    Reading 2004
    Albany 2006 Camden 2006 E. Rutherford 2, 2006 Inglewood 2006,
    Chicago 2007
    Camden 2008 MSG 2008 MSG 2008 Hartford 2008.
    Seattle 2009 Seattle 2009 Philadelphia 2009,Philadelphia 2009 Philadelphia 2009
    Hartford 2010 MSG 2010 MSG 2010
    Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
    Wrigley Field 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Philadelphia 2, 2013
    Philadelphia 1, 2016 Philadelphia 2 2016 New York 2016 New York 2016 Fenway 1, 2016
    Fenway 2, 2018
    MSG 2022
    St. Paul, 1, St. Paul 2 2023
    MSG 2024, MSG 2024
    Philadelphia 2024
    "I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
    Things happen in the game. Nothing you
    can do. I don't go and say,
    "I'm gonna beat this guy up."
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,710
    DS1119 wrote:
    In the Late and Close situations, which are defined as the following:

    The game is in the seventh inning or later, and
    the batting team is either leading by one run, tied, or has the potential tying run on base, at bat, or on deck

    Rodriguez is a .272 hitter (350-for-1285) with 83 home runs and 272 RBI. He was a respectable .283 with two home runs and 10 RBI this season. Last year he was .167. Below is his average with the Yankees in those situations

    2004 - .275
    2005 - .293
    2006 - .237
    2007 - 357
    2008 - .257
    2009 - .310
    2010 - .229


    Do you have these numbers vs. the rest of the yankees team as a whole and do youhave his numbers in the playoffs?

    For the team, they were .261 with 40 home runs and 130 RBI.

    Cano was .286 (24-for-84) with four home runs and nine RBI

    Teixeira was .390 (23-for-59) with eight home runs and 29 RBI

    By comparison, Miguel Cabrera was .337 with seven home runs and 21 RBI while Prince Fielder was .315 with three home runs and 17 RBI.

    Yeah, no question this year was a disaster for him, but I'm going to have to dig up and go back historically.
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Playoff numbers for ARod?
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 29,912
    Cliffy6745 wrote:

    I know the Yankees would be interested in Cody Ross and he isn't my favorite player, but I am sure it is something to look at.

    Chase Headley or Justin Upton? Yes fucking please. Not gonna happen though. Too many minor league injuries.



    Then on to replace Swisher. I am at a loss on this one. Bourn is going to get too much money and too many years, but would look really nice in that outfield in the short term. Hamilton is not an option. I wonder if they would look at Torii Hunter for a stop gap until the kids are ready. I also really like Choo but wonder if he can stay healthy and wonder what it would take to get him. I doubt they would look at the likes of Victorino or BJ Upton.

    I got a crazy fucking idea......maybe you could try to DEVELOP some players :? ;):lol:
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,710
    DS1119 wrote:
    Playoff numbers for ARod?

    Dude, we get it. He had one great playoffs, a couple good series, some average and some horrible ones. We get it. But why is he the only one you are calling out?
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,710
    imalive wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:

    I know the Yankees would be interested in Cody Ross and he isn't my favorite player, but I am sure it is something to look at.

    Chase Headley or Justin Upton? Yes fucking please. Not gonna happen though. Too many minor league injuries.



    Then on to replace Swisher. I am at a loss on this one. Bourn is going to get too much money and too many years, but would look really nice in that outfield in the short term. Hamilton is not an option. I wonder if they would look at Torii Hunter for a stop gap until the kids are ready. I also really like Choo but wonder if he can stay healthy and wonder what it would take to get him. I doubt they would look at the likes of Victorino or BJ Upton.

    I got a crazy fucking idea......maybe you could try to DEVELOP some players :? ;):lol:

    As much as it sucks, the Yankees just don't have time to let players sink or swim in the big leagues. Look at Ian Kennedy. I agree, and it would be nice to have him now, but in the AL East being always in the hunt and having that payroll, it is just tough for them to let players work things out in the big leagues, which is needed to develop him.

    The 90's Yankees had the opportunity to develop players because they were so bad for so long before that. It would take something like that to have it happen again, I am afraid. It also helped that the boss was kicked out for a while.
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    Playoff numbers for ARod?

    Dude, we get it. He had one great playoffs, a couple good series, some average and some horrible ones. We get it. But why is he the only one you are calling out?


    I have an average of about 27 million reasons. :lol: The way this team is configured they will always compete for a playoff spot. That's a fact. Come playoff time he disappears...and quite frankly he;s not much come regualr season either anymore. The right time is now to just part ways. There is zero chance a relationship with Girardi canbe repaired at this point. A guy who has been coddled his entire career is getting tooled on by fans, the mdeia...do you really expect he will be in the starting lineup next season. No shot.
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 29,912
    Cliffy6745 wrote:

    As much as it sucks, the Yankees just don't have time to let players sink or swim in the big leagues. Look at Ian Kennedy. I agree, and it would be nice to have him now, but in the AL East being always in the hunt and having that payroll, it is just tough for them to let players work things out in the big leagues, which is needed to develop him.

    The 90's Yankees had the opportunity to develop players because they were so bad for so long before that. It would take something like that to have it happen again, I am afraid. It also helped that the boss was kicked out for a while.

    it might be worth the short term pain but I hear what you're saying.

    if my Giants go out tonight, it will have been a good season; your Yankees were a failure in the eyes of most. Not fair, but you know more than anyone how that works.
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    We have to start getting younger, one way or the other.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,710
    We have to start getting younger, one way or the other.

    Justin Upton :o
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Cliffy6745 wrote:

    The 90's Yankees had the opportunity to develop players because they were so bad for so long before that.


    I know exactly what you're saying but this team could definately take the time to develop some more of it's talent. I mean the Yankees did have the most wins in baseball during the 80's when they were "bad".
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,710
    DS1119 wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:

    The 90's Yankees had the opportunity to develop players because they were so bad for so long before that.


    I know exactly what you're saying but this team could definately take the time to develop some more of it's talent. I mean the Yankees did have the most wins in baseball during the 80's when they were "bad".

    I don't completely disagree. And it looks like they are trying to do that with some of the guys that are lower down in the farm. They hit a lot of bad luck with injuries this year, but Sanchez, Williams, Austin are all promising players that could contribute at a high level down the road. They are just a ways out.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,710
    DS1119 wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    Playoff numbers for ARod?

    Dude, we get it. He had one great playoffs, a couple good series, some average and some horrible ones. We get it. But why is he the only one you are calling out?


    I have an average of about 27 million reasons. :lol: The way this team is configured they will always compete for a playoff spot. That's a fact. Come playoff time he disappears...and quite frankly he;s not much come regualr season either anymore. The right time is now to just part ways. There is zero chance a relationship with Girardi canbe repaired at this point. A guy who has been coddled his entire career is getting tooled on by fans, the mdeia...do you really expect he will be in the starting lineup next season. No shot.

    I dont know how you can come to any of these conclusions based on the few interviews and soundbites there have been.

    As he says if he plays the way he should, Joe wouldn't be put in that situation. I don't expect a superstar anymore but I also don't expect an platoon player yet.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,710
    imalive wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:

    As much as it sucks, the Yankees just don't have time to let players sink or swim in the big leagues. Look at Ian Kennedy. I agree, and it would be nice to have him now, but in the AL East being always in the hunt and having that payroll, it is just tough for them to let players work things out in the big leagues, which is needed to develop him.

    The 90's Yankees had the opportunity to develop players because they were so bad for so long before that. It would take something like that to have it happen again, I am afraid. It also helped that the boss was kicked out for a while.

    it might be worth the short term pain but I hear what you're saying.

    if my Giants go out tonight, it will have been a good season; your Yankees were a failure in the eyes of most. Not fair, but you know more than anyone how that works.

    I hear you. I don't see it as an overall failure and I had a whole lot of fun. I see these last 4 games as a gigantic failure but the season as whole, given what they had to deal with was fun and pretty successful.
  • DS1119 wrote:
    Playoff numbers for ARod?

    Here's a few interesting stats

    Arod reg season strikeout rate is 19 % as a yankee in the postseason it's 27%

    He has a ops of 484 since the 2009 postseason. He has 2 doubles and no homers.
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