here's my completely unsolicited take on what's wrong with the yankees....
the stadium....I've never been there but it looks like you bought a bill of goods for $1.5B....maybe it's got steakhouses and strip clubs but on TV it's an unappealing, symmetrical, blue blob. you NEVER hear of it in a "best ballpark" rating. I know it was built 10 years earlier, but the Giants did their park for $320M. is "the stadium" :roll: really 4-5 times nicer? don't think so. just about every other new stadium has standing room...yankee stadium? poofy seats. every other new stadium has an interesting quirkiness (only the marlins are gimmicky). yankee stadium appears to have NO charm. bottom line...it's a corporate environment for a very corporate product. I do give you props for not jumping on the rally rag, thunderstick bandwagon but you gotta do something to breathe some life into that place. fuck, import some oakland fans
the team....it's all been said before. mercenaries. you have three homegrowners of any consequence. every other starter is there for a paycheck. if any of these guys have any personality, I've never seen it. the appearance code is ridiculous....you play in the most diverse place on earth and your players look like bumfuck, iowa. there seems to be no fan-player connection because these guys are mostly overpaid robots. my giants have had a few overpaid and/or under producing guys in the past few years but we liked them because they cared (zito), hustled (rowand) or at least tried (huff). on top of that, they were allowed to show some personality. are the yanks the only big spenders? no...but I think the sox have seen the light and their next team will be much more appealing to the fans, win or lose. the phillies spent a boatload too but a lot of that was on homegrown guys. the angels? fuck them, too
you're stuck with a-fraud and tex. jeter, too, to an extent. IMHO, the yankees would be better better off in eating as much bad payroll as they can and essentially starting over. it's not gonna get any better with THIS bunch.
I think a lot of the cost for the new Stadium in all fairness was it's location. It's not easy getting to thatlocation with big machinery, big materials, etc. all while keeping the other stadium fully operatinal right next door. Factor in all of the unions, New York CIty wheels to be greased, etc. it was expensie.
I think a lot of the cost for the new Stadium in all fairness was it's location. It's not easy getting to thatlocation with big machinery, big materials, etc. all while keeping the other stadium fully operatinal right next door. Factor in all of the unions, New York CIty wheels to be greased, etc. it was expensie.
I thought of that....but SF is a huge union town, land is mega expensive, there was a big money environmental cleanup involved and the stadium itself was more of a building challenge.
then again, the giants paid for their stadium while yours had tax dollars involved :roll:
If I had known then what I know now...
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here's my completely unsolicited take on what's wrong with the yankees....
the stadium....I've never been there but it looks like you bought a bill of goods for $1.5B....maybe it's got steakhouses and strip clubs but on TV it's an unappealing, symmetrical, blue blob. you NEVER hear of it in a "best ballpark" rating. I know it was built 10 years earlier, but the Giants did their park for $320M. is "the stadium" :roll: really 4-5 times nicer? don't think so. just about every other new stadium has standing room...yankee stadium? poofy seats. every other new stadium has an interesting quirkiness (only the marlins are gimmicky). yankee stadium appears to have NO charm. bottom line...it's a corporate environment for a very corporate product. I do give you props for not jumping on the rally rag, thunderstick bandwagon but you gotta do something to breathe some life into that place. fuck, import some oakland fans
the team....it's all been said before. mercenaries. you have three homegrowners of any consequence. every other starter is there for a paycheck. if any of these guys have any personality, I've never seen it. the appearance code is ridiculous....you play in the most diverse place on earth and your players look like bumfuck, iowa. there seems to be no fan-player connection because these guys are mostly overpaid robots. my giants have had a few overpaid and/or under producing guys in the past few years but we liked them because they cared (zito), hustled (rowand) or at least tried (huff). on top of that, they were allowed to show some personality. are the yanks the only big spenders? no...but I think the sox have seen the light and their next team will be much more appealing to the fans, win or lose. the phillies spent a boatload too but a lot of that was on homegrown guys. the angels? fuck them, too
you're stuck with a-fraud and tex. jeter, too, to an extent. IMHO, the yankees would be better better off in eating as much bad payroll as they can and essentially starting over. it's not gonna get any better with THIS bunch.
Regarding the ballpark. I like the building, hate the atmosphere. Wish the upper level was closer to the field. My one physical complaint.
And without going sentence by sentence, do you know how many times all of that has been said since 2001? Probably every year they didn't win it all. Now granted they have only one one world series, but they have been in the playoffs all but one year. Every fucking year they are too old, don't care, primadonna free agents, this, that, and everything else. And every.fucking.year they are in the playoffs. People loved the 2009 team just fine, right? When you win everyone loves you, when you lose everyone has something to say. If this team was hitting walk off after walk off there would be plenty of fan connection, but it has been a really strange season. The Phillies? Really? The Red Sox, really? When criticizing the Yankees you bring up the biggest two choke jobs of the year? You are absolutely insane to think the next Red Sox team isn't going to be built on free agency. That is the exact reason they made that trade.
And all it has to be is the appearance of hustling, right? Arod, when healthy, busts his ass on every play. So just because Rowand was actually terrible but looked like he was hustling (but actually just sucked) makes it different from Arod who everyone thinks doesn't care and isn't hustling just because he is struggling and gets paid more than anyone.
And without going sentence by sentence, do you know how many times all of that has been said since 2001? Probably every year they didn't win it all. Now granted they have only one one world series, but they have been in the playoffs all but one year. Every fucking year they are too old, don't care, primadonna free agents, this, that, and everything else. And every.fucking.year they are in the playoffs.
true. I just think they're aging badly and the arod/texeira contracts become worse with every passing year.
they won in 2009. they're older and they're not winning now. I really think it's time to blow this thing up as much as possible (which probably isn't much).
you're a baseball guy, cliffy....I totally respect that...just had to add my 2 cents to this year's most fascinating postseason story
If I had known then what I know now...
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I think a lot of the cost for the new Stadium in all fairness was it's location. It's not easy getting to thatlocation with big machinery, big materials, etc. all while keeping the other stadium fully operatinal right next door. Factor in all of the unions, New York CIty wheels to be greased, etc. it was expensie.
I thought of that....but SF is a huge union town, land is mega expensive, there was a big money environmental cleanup involved and the stadium itself was more of a building challenge.
then again, the giants paid for their stadium while yours had tax dollars involved :roll:
Also the Deegan runs about an 1/4 of a mile from the Stadium. WHen you go there you'll see. It had to be a nightmare to build. There was just no easy way to get shit to it.
Also the Deegan runs about an 1/4 of a mile from the Stadium. WHen you go there you'll see.
what makes you think I ever want to go there? :shock:
If I had known then what I know now...
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VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
here's my completely unsolicited take on what's wrong with the yankees....
the stadium....I've never been there but it looks like you bought a bill of goods for $1.5B....maybe it's got steakhouses and strip clubs but on TV it's an unappealing, symmetrical, blue blob. you NEVER hear of it in a "best ballpark" rating. .
doesn't help when the place empties after the opposing team grabs a 3 run lead.
And without going sentence by sentence, do you know how many times all of that has been said since 2001? Probably every year they didn't win it all. Now granted they have only one one world series, but they have been in the playoffs all but one year. Every fucking year they are too old, don't care, primadonna free agents, this, that, and everything else. And every.fucking.year they are in the playoffs.
true. I just think they're aging badly and the arod/texeira contracts become worse with every passing year.
they won in 2009. they're older and they're not winning now. I really think it's time to blow this thing up as much as possible (which probably isn't much).
you're a baseball guy, cliffy....I totally respect that...just had to add my 2 cents to this year's most fascinating postseason story
I hear you, but they have been too old every year. Shit, it's just because they aren't hitting. Last year they played less games and I don't recall this much hysteria. I always say, winning a world series, unless you are clearly the best team in baseball is all about being a good team and getting hot a the right time. The Yankees went into their biggest slump of the season at the worst possible time. The fact of the matter is that this team is likely going to end up a couple wins away from going to the World Series with an offense that disappeared for the past 2 weeks.
Arod contract is terrible. Nothing you can do about it. When healthy, he is still an above average third baseman though. Nothing anyone can do about it at this point. Tex's contact is too much, but this team spends more than anyone, they can handle it, and he is still a fine first baseman. The Arod one blows, no two ways about it, but he's not going anywhere. Point being, these guys contracts are not stopping the Yankees from winning it all.
Swisher is gone after this year, it seems. Soriano is likely gone this year. Granderson, great guy, but I hope is gone after next year. Arod, Tex, CC, Jeter (for the near future) and hopefully Cano are here for the long haul.
Yankees are goign to have a few bucks to spend this offseason, even with the $189 million which isn't going to happen.
I think a lot of the cost for the new Stadium in all fairness was it's location. It's not easy getting to thatlocation with big machinery, big materials, etc. all while keeping the other stadium fully operatinal right next door. Factor in all of the unions, New York CIty wheels to be greased, etc. it was expensie.
I thought of that....but SF is a huge union town, land is mega expensive, there was a big money environmental cleanup involved and the stadium itself was more of a building challenge.
then again, the giants paid for their stadium while yours had tax dollars involved :roll:
Also the Deegan runs about an 1/4 of a mile from the Stadium. WHen you go there you'll see. It had to be a nightmare to build. There was just no easy way to get shit to it.
It is also just a massive structure. There are a lot of things that contributed to the high cost, the location being a big one of them.
there really is no such thing as a bad contract as far as the yankees go ... they don't need to derive value out of their players ... they just need to win ... at the end of the day ... that money has given them consistent post season experiences and in baseball where only a fraction make the playoffs - that's money well spent ...
there really is no such thing as a bad contract as far as the yankees go ... they don't need to derive value out of their players ... they just need to win ... at the end of the day ... that money has given them consistent post season experiences and in baseball where only a fraction make the playoffs - that's money well spent ...
Also the Deegan runs about an 1/4 of a mile from the Stadium. WHen you go there you'll see.
what makes you think I ever want to go there? :shock:
I don't know. I guess I was just trying to be polite instead of saying you've never been there etc.
It's just a tough spot. Major road next to it...fully functioning stadium right next to it...subayw line running right behind the outfield wall so they gave height restrictions...they essentially built a network of underground roads and shit to get to the location. It was a nightmare. :fp:
here's my completely unsolicited take on what's wrong with the yankees....
the stadium....I've never been there but it looks like you bought a bill of goods for $1.5B....maybe it's got steakhouses and strip clubs but on TV it's an unappealing, symmetrical, blue blob. you NEVER hear of it in a "best ballpark" rating. .
doesn't help when the place empties after the opposing team grabs a 3 run lead.
sorry--i couldn't resist.
Like I said, I like the building physically, hate the atmosphere right now
And I must say, once the outcome of the game is pretty much determined, I often leave my seats and just watch in standing room near the exit to make life easier. Would probably be different if I wasn't travelling so far though and didn't go to so many games.
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
i like sitting maybe swish and starting gardner.
the lineups not up yet , is it ?
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i like sitting maybe swish and starting gardner.
the lineups not up yet , is it ?
Yeah, I think I would go with whoever has the best numbers off righties, or Verlander specifically. Lots of lefty bat options so who knows. Arod would probably actually be the best bet to sit, but we'll see.
Maybe?
Ichrio
Swisher
Tex
Cano
Ibanez
Granderson
Chavez
Martin
Nix
i like sitting maybe swish and starting gardner.
the lineups not up yet , is it ?
Yeah, I think I would go with whoever has the best numbers off righties, or Verlander specifically. Lots of lefty bat options so who knows. Arod would probably actually be the best bet to sit, but we'll see.
I think I herd this morning that ARod has the best numbers career wise against Verlander but he's not touching that fastball right now. :fp:
here's my completely unsolicited take on what's wrong with the yankees....
the stadium....I've never been there but it looks like you bought a bill of goods for $1.5B....maybe it's got steakhouses and strip clubs but on TV it's an unappealing, symmetrical, blue blob. you NEVER hear of it in a "best ballpark" rating. .
doesn't help when the place empties after the opposing team grabs a 3 run lead.
sorry--i couldn't resist.
Like I said, I like the building physically, hate the atmosphere right now
And I must say, once the outcome of the game is pretty much determined, I often leave my seats and just watch in standing room near the exit to make life easier. Would probably be different if I wasn't travelling so far though and didn't go to so many games.
alcs, game 1...you are leaving down 4 in the 8th inning? no excuse for that cliff. entire sections in the upper level were empty for those extra innings.
alcs, game 1...you are leaving down 4 in the 8th inning? no excuse for that cliff. entire sections in the upper level were empty for those extra innings.
I'm not justifying anything. As I said about 952 times in the past 24 hours, the energy has been sucked out of that place by a combination of the Yankees offense and the no fun police. I did leave my bleacher seat for the bottom of the 13th in game 4 but didn't miss a pitch.
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I think a lot of the cost for the new Stadium in all fairness was it's location. It's not easy getting to thatlocation with big machinery, big materials, etc. all while keeping the other stadium fully operatinal right next door. Factor in all of the unions, New York CIty wheels to be greased, etc. it was expensie.
I thought of that....but SF is a huge union town, land is mega expensive, there was a big money environmental cleanup involved and the stadium itself was more of a building challenge.
then again, the giants paid for their stadium while yours had tax dollars involved :roll:
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
Regarding the ballpark. I like the building, hate the atmosphere. Wish the upper level was closer to the field. My one physical complaint.
And without going sentence by sentence, do you know how many times all of that has been said since 2001? Probably every year they didn't win it all. Now granted they have only one one world series, but they have been in the playoffs all but one year. Every fucking year they are too old, don't care, primadonna free agents, this, that, and everything else. And every.fucking.year they are in the playoffs. People loved the 2009 team just fine, right? When you win everyone loves you, when you lose everyone has something to say. If this team was hitting walk off after walk off there would be plenty of fan connection, but it has been a really strange season. The Phillies? Really? The Red Sox, really? When criticizing the Yankees you bring up the biggest two choke jobs of the year? You are absolutely insane to think the next Red Sox team isn't going to be built on free agency. That is the exact reason they made that trade.
And all it has to be is the appearance of hustling, right? Arod, when healthy, busts his ass on every play. So just because Rowand was actually terrible but looked like he was hustling (but actually just sucked) makes it different from Arod who everyone thinks doesn't care and isn't hustling just because he is struggling and gets paid more than anyone.
gardner leading off
true. I just think they're aging badly and the arod/texeira contracts become worse with every passing year.
they won in 2009. they're older and they're not winning now. I really think it's time to blow this thing up as much as possible (which probably isn't much).
you're a baseball guy, cliffy....I totally respect that...just had to add my 2 cents to this year's most fascinating postseason story
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VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
Say what?!?!? 7 hours till the game...the lineup is out?
Also the Deegan runs about an 1/4 of a mile from the Stadium. WHen you go there you'll see. It had to be a nightmare to build. There was just no easy way to get shit to it.
what makes you think I ever want to go there? :shock:
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
doesn't help when the place empties after the opposing team grabs a 3 run lead.
sorry--i couldn't resist.
I hear you, but they have been too old every year. Shit, it's just because they aren't hitting. Last year they played less games and I don't recall this much hysteria. I always say, winning a world series, unless you are clearly the best team in baseball is all about being a good team and getting hot a the right time. The Yankees went into their biggest slump of the season at the worst possible time. The fact of the matter is that this team is likely going to end up a couple wins away from going to the World Series with an offense that disappeared for the past 2 weeks.
Arod contract is terrible. Nothing you can do about it. When healthy, he is still an above average third baseman though. Nothing anyone can do about it at this point. Tex's contact is too much, but this team spends more than anyone, they can handle it, and he is still a fine first baseman. The Arod one blows, no two ways about it, but he's not going anywhere. Point being, these guys contracts are not stopping the Yankees from winning it all.
Swisher is gone after this year, it seems. Soriano is likely gone this year. Granderson, great guy, but I hope is gone after next year. Arod, Tex, CC, Jeter (for the near future) and hopefully Cano are here for the long haul.
Yankees are goign to have a few bucks to spend this offseason, even with the $189 million which isn't going to happen.
It is also just a massive structure. There are a lot of things that contributed to the high cost, the location being a big one of them.
Exactly.
I don't know. I guess I was just trying to be polite instead of saying you've never been there etc.
It's just a tough spot. Major road next to it...fully functioning stadium right next to it...subayw line running right behind the outfield wall so they gave height restrictions...they essentially built a network of underground roads and shit to get to the location. It was a nightmare. :fp:
Like I said, I like the building physically, hate the atmosphere right now
And I must say, once the outcome of the game is pretty much determined, I often leave my seats and just watch in standing room near the exit to make life easier. Would probably be different if I wasn't travelling so far though and didn't go to so many games.
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VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
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Yeah, I think I would go with whoever has the best numbers off righties, or Verlander specifically. Lots of lefty bat options so who knows. Arod would probably actually be the best bet to sit, but we'll see.
Maybe?
Ichrio
Swisher
Tex
Cano
Ibanez
Granderson
Chavez
Martin
Nix
7 lefty bats in a row
I think I herd this morning that ARod has the best numbers career wise against Verlander but he's not touching that fastball right now. :fp:
alcs, game 1...you are leaving down 4 in the 8th inning? no excuse for that cliff. entire sections in the upper level were empty for those extra innings.
I'm not justifying anything. As I said about 952 times in the past 24 hours, the energy has been sucked out of that place by a combination of the Yankees offense and the no fun police. I did leave my bleacher seat for the bottom of the 13th in game 4 but didn't miss a pitch.
gardner
ichiro
arod
chavez
cano
tex
swish
martin
nix
maybe it was someone's idea and not the real thing
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Arod third? He must have pictures of Girardi with a goat or something.
it was on espn ....but maybe it was what someone THOUGHT they should do?
i don't know
Most likely. They have a lot of time to fill.