PJ Joins Campaign to close Gitmo

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  • Fahka
    Fahka Posts: 3,187
    dawitchdoc wrote:
    PLEASE LEAVE THE POLITICS AT HOME WHEN YOU COME TO PHILLY EDDIE. I BOUGHT TICKETS FOR A ROCK CONCERT NOT A POLITICAL RALLY !!

    :roll:

    What the fuck would you prefer him talk about in between songs? I'm personally happy that he'd take time to speak about shit that actually matters.
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    LeatherMandi wrote:
    dawitchdoc wrote:
    PLEASE LEAVE THE POLITICS AT HOME WHEN YOU COME TO PHILLY EDDIE. I BOUGHT TICKETS FOR A ROCK CONCERT NOT A POLITICAL RALLY !!

    :roll:

    What the fuck would you prefer him talk about in between songs? I'm personally happy that he'd take time to speak about shit that actually matters.

    PHILADELPHIA....ARE YOU READY TO ROCK MOTHER FUCKERSRRRRRRSSSSS!!!!
  • supersonicyears
    supersonicyears Posts: 2,619
    Jerome230 wrote:
    Kind of off-topic, kind of on-topic...Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine said in a statement:

    "Guantanamo is known around the world as one of the places where human beings have been tortured -- from waterboarding to stripping, hooding and forcing detainees into humiliating sexual acts -- playing music for 72 hours in a row at volumes just below that to shatter the eardrums," said Morello.

    "Guantanamo may be Dick Cheney's idea of America, but it's not mine. The fact that music I helped create was used in crimes against humanity sickens me," he added.
    Yeah, at least the terrorists weren't playing music when they were cutting the heads off those innocent people on television.
    "In the age of darkness
    want to be enlightened"
  • Kilgore_Trout
    Kilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    this is the most belated musician activism since neil young's "living with war"... :|
    "Senza speme vivemo in disio"

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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Easy to say close gitmo.....another to figure out what to do with some of the idiots in there.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    LeatherMandi wrote:
    dawitchdoc wrote:
    PLEASE LEAVE THE POLITICS AT HOME WHEN YOU COME TO PHILLY EDDIE. I BOUGHT TICKETS FOR A ROCK CONCERT NOT A POLITICAL RALLY !!

    :roll:

    What the fuck would you prefer him talk about in between songs?     I'm personally happy that he'd take time to speak about shit that actually matters.


    the spectrum...the phillies...dr j's abnormally large hands....those kinds of things. :arrow: :mrgreen:
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    bosshogg18 wrote:
    boooooooooooo. If people want Gitmo closed then that is their opinion and the bands opinion. I for one don't see anything wrong with the way "terrorists" are treated. How do these "terrorists" treat people? Bomb and kill thousands of innocent people. Sounds like we should give them a tempra-pedic bed and a plasma screen in their cells so they are comfortable.

    People need fair representation...and gitmo is anthing but.....so not close it but get the trails going. Never want to give any government power to incarcerate indefinitely. Just can'r though say simply close it.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • F5
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    I don't understand why this is posted here on "The Porch". Shouldn't it be posted in the "Moving Train" forum?
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  • dawitchdoc
    dawitchdoc Posts: 59
    THERE'S A PLACE FOR EVERYTHING. LET THE KICK ASS MUSIC DO THE TALKING THIS COMING WEEK,THAT'S ALL.
  • goo
    goo Posts: 226
    mitchmoore2 wrote:
    I don't understand why this is posted here on "The Porch". Shouldn't it be posted in the "Moving Train" forum?

    because the mods thought it was necessary to post the "surprising" news that Pearl Jam want Gitmo closed in this forum as well as on the main page. they had to know it was going to turn into this.
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    PEACE....thats must be the talking in Philly
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • TravisTheSky
    TravisTheSky Posts: 615
    You mean our Dear Leader Obama has not kept one of his campaign promises :o ?!

    Oh wait. He didn't start to bring the troops home, either. Or give Congress (and we the public) five days to read new bills before they are voted on. Or refuse to raise taxes on citizens making under $125,000 per year.

    They were all lies! He said whatever he needed to get elected, and then continued the policies of George Bush. Democrats and Republicans are the same. They are politicians, which mean they work for the banks and the oil companies and the corporations.
    "May you live in interesting times."
  • Ok
    Ok Posts: 2,146
    Ok, after reading a majority of the posts here, I'll weigh in.

    1) I am not NAIVE. There are no EASY answers about what to do with some of the REALLY BAD people that are there.
    2) However, I do no believe any human being should be detained without trail, without rights, indefinately. We have to find a better way of dealing with people who carry out acts of violence against America.
    3) I agree with the band. Close this place down NOW.

    PEACE
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,973
    Huffington Post
    Matthew Alexander
    Led the interrogations that found Zarqawi
    Posted: October 23, 2009

    Music Matters

    What's Your Reaction?

    My high school friends and I grew up on R.E.M.'s early albums - Murmur, Reckoning, Fables of the Reconstruction, and Life's Rich Pageant. And who can forget Pearl Jam's debut album Ten and Eddie Vedder's ominous vocals on hits like Jeremy and Alive? I have one particular memory, the first time I heard their follow-up hit Daughter on a raucous Friday night at the Officer's Club during pilot training. The acoustic intro is running through my head even now. And in 2006, I saw Michelle Branch perform live in concert after my return from Iraq. Her soulful performance was a welcome relief from the streets of war.

    Music is perhaps the freest expression of art in an open society. In my travels to more than fifty countries, a sense of national pride has always emerged when I've witnessed the popularity of American culture abroad in the form of music. R.E.M. and Pearl Jam are reminders of the strength of America's right to free speech.

    Music has long played a role in the culture of the American military. Who hasn't witnessed the depiction of U.S troops in Vietnam jamming to The Doors? When I was flying Special Operations helicopters our gunners blared AC/DC over the intercom system. Flying at night listening to the tolling bells intro to Hell's Bells would send shivers down our spines. In Iraq where I served as an interrogator, hip-hop and heavy metal could be heard throughout our compound. Hell, we had one entire server devoted to music that we could enjoy while we typed our intelligence reports. There's some type of unexplainable link between soldiers and music. In the midst of the violence and uncertainty of war, music brings us comfort. Music, is by nature, intended to bring pleasure.

    That is why I'm appalled about the use of music as an instrument of torture and abuse inside American military prisons such as Guantanamo Bay. Sadistic people (I'm not sure how else to explain this behavior) blared loud music non-stop at detainees as a method of punishment and retribution. Some would argue that it's an enabler for interrogation, but I can tell you from experience that such tactics have just the opposite effect. Torture and abuse, in any form, only reaffirm in a prisoner's mind why they picked up arms in the first place.

    This extreme tactic of torture and abuse is another of the antiquated methods of detainee operations and interrogations that were authorized and encouraged by the previous administration and that military leaders failed in their duty to prevent. The inhumane treatment of detainees in any form is a direct violation of U.S. law, military regulations, and the Uniformed Code of Military Justice (Article 97 prohibits Cruelty and Maltreatment in addition to Article 133 Conduct Unbecoming an Officer and a Gentlemen). This type of behavior is completely contradictory to our military tradition of humane treatment of prisoners of war dating back to the American Revolution.

    I stand together with artists (such as R.E.M., Pearl Jam, and Michelle Branch) who have objected to the use of the music as an instrument of torture and abuse. Music should be a sacred pleasure, not a manipulated art form used to imitate archaic medieval brutality. I'm proud of those artists who have taken a stand and support them and the call for the closing of the prison at Guantanamo Bay, which continues to be a symbol of lost American moral bearing -- place where unlawful detention and torture became everyday norms, carried out by members of the military whose duty it is to protect against such tyranny.

    To join the effort to close Guantanamo Bay or learn more about the artists protesting the use of their music as an instrument of torture, visit the New Security Action blog at http://www.newsecurityaction.org/.

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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,922
    The Jeagler wrote:
    ...dr j's abnormally large hands....:
    I'll tell ya, Julius got his degree at my commencement at UMass...dude walked right by me on his way up to the stage at the opening procession...never seen hands so friggin' huge.
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  • supersonicyears
    supersonicyears Posts: 2,619
    Ok wrote:
    Ok, after reading a majority of the posts here, I'll weigh in.

    1) I am not NAIVE. There are no EASY answers about what to do with some of the REALLY BAD people that are there.
    2) However, I do no believe any human being should be detained without trail, without rights, indefinately. We have to find a better way of dealing with people who carry out acts of violence against America.
    3) I agree with the band. Close this place down NOW.

    PEACE
    I agree with number 2 but 3...no one has answered yet. Where are they going to put them if they close Gitmo down???

    Shouldn't all the activists be working to stop inhumane acts on both sides. You know what's really terrible, we can all sit here in our cushioned little world's and debate about this but there are people who live in countries that live in fear everyday.
    "In the age of darkness
    want to be enlightened"
  • Paul Andrews
    Paul Andrews Posts: 2,489
    TheBeach wrote:
    Ok wrote:
    Ok, after reading a majority of the posts here, I'll weigh in.

    1) I am not NAIVE. There are no EASY answers about what to do with some of the REALLY BAD people that are there.
    2) However, I do no believe any human being should be detained without trail, without rights, indefinately. We have to find a better way of dealing with people who carry out acts of violence against America.
    3) I agree with the band. Close this place down NOW.

    PEACE
    I agree with number 2 but 3...no one has answered yet. Where are they going to put them if they close Gitmo down???

    Shouldn't all the activists be working to stop inhumane acts on both sides. You know what's really terrible, we can all sit here in our cushioned little world's and debate about this but there are people who live in countries that live in fear everyday.

    An answer to number 3:
    A. They are tried under whatever international law or juristiction is approipriate.

    If the Nuremburg trials were able to try and convict Nazi war criminals, I'm sure US or UN courts could do the same.

    B. Those found innocent are released back to their homelands.

    Australia has at least two who have returned home and not caused a problem. UK has a handful and many other countries have citizens who have been sent home without problem.

    C. Those found guilty are jailed - I'm sure USA has a jail with approriate security levels.

    As previously stated, Supermax can easily house these people. I disagree with the death penalty and i'm sure the same 23 hour in cell, 1 hour exercise regime that hardcore criminals face is appropriate - for life. I also have no issue with the guilty having no visitation rights.

    Your next point is the most important. Activists should be working to stop inhumane acts everywhere - not just where our business interests lie. I think Jackson Browne put it pretty well in "Lives In The Balance". But we cannot just be critical of the West. The Howard Government in Australia was quite happy to turn a blind eye to human rights violations in China so that we could reap the economic rewrds that came with trade. What right do we then have to criticise other countries who don't have the money to buy our silence?

    Terrorism and extemism will flourish until we all ask "WHY?" and truly seek out the answers to these questions - even when we don't like the answers. The IRA stopped terrorising London when their fair concerns were taken seriously and their unjust methods exposed as a roadblock to their goals. The peace appears to be holding. Now this does not mean that Bin Laden has fair concerns - I think he is a nutcase and unfortunately we helped create him when he was of benefit to us. But I am sure that organisations like Hamas, Hezbolah and other localised organisations do have agendas that can be used to negotiate peace and isolate the extremists in their midst. A real and just solution to Palestine would make a massive difference to world security.

    Lives In The Balance - Jackson Browne (1986)

    Ive been waiting for something to happen
    For a week or a month or a year
    With the blood in the ink of the headlines
    And the sound of the crowd in my ear
    You might ask what it takes to remember
    When you know that youve seen it before
    Where a government lies to a people
    And a country is drifting to war

    And theres a shadow on the faces
    Of the men who send the guns
    To the wars that are fought in places
    Where their business interest runs

    On the radio talk shows and the t.v.
    You hear one thing again and again
    How the u.s.a. stands for freedom
    And we come to the aid of a friend
    But who are the ones that we call our friends--
    These governments killing their own?
    Or the people who finally cant take any more
    And they pick up a gun or a brick or a stone
    There are lives in the balance
    There are people under fire
    There are children at the cannons
    And there is blood on the wire

    Theres a shadow on the faces
    Of the men who fan the flames
    Of the wars that are fought in places
    Where we cant even say the names

    They sell us the president the same way
    They sell us our clothes and our cars
    They sell us every thing from youth to religion
    The same time they sell us our wars
    I want to know who the men in the shadows are
    I want to hear somebody asking them why
    They can be counted on to tell us who our enemies are
    But theyre never the ones to fight or to die
    And there are lives in the balance
    There are people under fire
    There are children at the cannons
    And there is blood on the wire
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  • Gary Carter
    Gary Carter Posts: 14,077
    LeatherMandi wrote:
    dawitchdoc wrote:
    PLEASE LEAVE THE POLITICS AT HOME WHEN YOU COME TO PHILLY EDDIE. I BOUGHT TICKETS FOR A ROCK CONCERT NOT A POLITICAL RALLY !!

    :roll:

    What the fuck would you prefer him talk about in between songs? I'm personally happy that he'd take time to speak about shit that actually matters.
    the amount of bull shit ed says during a concert could be used for more songs and maybe they would actually play 3+ hours shows instead of barely hitting the 2 hour and 30 minute mark or the rare 2 hours and 40 minutes show. how many people do you think listen to what some "rock star" has to say bout his own views. i wonder if ed has said anything bout how bad of a job the dems are doing in washington and how they still havent gotten our troops outta iraq or do they get a pass cause the dems are in power :roll:. i am neither a democrat or a republican.
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  • Paul Andrews
    Paul Andrews Posts: 2,489
    metsfan wrote:
    i wonder if ed has said anything bout how bad of a job the dems are doing in washington and how they still havent gotten our troops outta iraq or do they get a pass cause the dems are in power :roll:. i am neither a democrat or a republican.

    I think Obama & the Dems still have some time to start delivering on these promises - but not forever. As an outsider watching the healthcare debate, I can only shake my head in disbelief. I see Jon Stewart has begun to take shots at the Dems and Obama, if they don't deliver, it will not be long before Ed does too - or should.

    I think Obama has the best intentions, but if he can't get his own party with a super majority to look beyond their own self interest and stop selling their souls to the lobbyists, there is no hope for him. To look at the laughing stock Peter Garrett has become since joining the Australian Labor Party and selling out all the ideals Midnight Oil stood for is very sad.

    For the record - I am an independent voter too. "You gotta stand for something or you're gonna fall for anything" JCM.
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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    Ok wrote:
    Ok, after reading a majority of the posts here, I'll weigh in.

    1) I am not NAIVE. There are no EASY answers about what to do with some of the REALLY BAD people that are there.
    2) However, I do no believe any human being should be detained without trail, without rights, indefinately. We have to find a better way of dealing with people who carry out acts of violence against America.
    3) I agree with the band. Close this place down NOW.

    PEACE
    well said
    PEACE
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    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
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