The only thing wrong with torturing terrorists is that it doesn't kill them. F' them... :twisted:
The problem is, the majority of people who have been through that hell hole were not terrorists. Fighting for the Taliban (or whatever regional army they were with) against and invading army (no matter what the rights or wrongs are of that invasion) does not make you a terrorist. Most of these guys were defending their country, the same as I would do if a hostile force invaded Australia.
boooooooooooo. If people want Gitmo closed then that is their opinion and the bands opinion. I for one don't see anything wrong with the way "terrorists" are treated. How do these "terrorists" treat people? Bomb and kill thousands of innocent people. Sounds like we should give them a tempra-pedic bed and a plasma screen in their cells so they are comfortable.
you obviously never saw that movie with Jake Gyllenhal and Reese Witherspoon, based on a true story, where an innocent Arab-American man was wrongfully tortured because of wrong information. If its happened once, it can happen again, and probably has many times in the past there. damn I wish I could remember the name. will post it later.
got the cause posted on my facebook.
Add to this those who were killed in secret prisons elsewhere. How many were unjustly detained because people were paid to turn over terrorists and then turned over their enemies, rivals or randoms for the money.
Pol Pot said he'd happily see ten innocent men executed than let one guilty man go free. I would have thought we were better than this. If you embrace freedom and justice, you must also embrace it for your enemies. I have no issue with locking away for life a terrorist and in no way support their actions, but to lower ourselves to their level makes us little better than them. Only through justice and compassion for all - even those who would wish evil on us, do we rise to a higher plane. I am no Christian, but I believe Christian teachings embrace such ethics.
Well hell, why didn't the rock stars say something sooner...I'm sure it'll happen tomorrow now as everyone was just waiting to see where they stood.
:twisted:
i hate shit like this....HEY ED DONT RUIN next weeks shows with this banter bullshit.....
KILL EM ALL...rip there toes off and feed them to sharks.........
lost 5 friends to 911
lost 7 friends in the war.....
So this excuses locking up and torturing a large number of innocent people in GITMO does it?
I lost two friends to Bali bombing #1
I lost one student i was teaching in Bali Boming #2
What about the thousands of innocents includiong women and children killed in IRAQ and Afghanistan - do they count in your eyes? What about the children in Israel or Palestine or Dafour or any other war torn land.
Torture is NEVER acceptable, neither is locking up of innocent people or the death penalty for that matter. There are better ways yet the Bush (and dickwit Howard in Australia) administrations were too fucking stupid and bloodyminded to see it and have helped spawn a new generation of terrorists who want to get us. They played the politics of fear and bigotry and you have signed up to their cause. I bet you believe everything on Fox News too. You probably booed Pearl Jam after Bu$hleaguer
Flying planes into buildings, bombing subway trains, blowing up restaurants and nightclubs, firing rockets into civilian areas, kidnapping, beheading and other atrocities are not acceptable either and cannot be excused. I am in no way supporting these actions nor making excuses for them - this is humanity at its fucking worst - bit so is GITMO. But you can only hold the high moral ground if you hold onto your morals. When we give away the freedoms and compassion we believe in in the name of revenge - are we then no better than those we deem evil???
At the end of the day it is the innocent that suffer so those with hate and greed can have their way all over the world. Maybe it is time we all saw this and stood up to the real evil doers rather than allow cultures and people to be scapegoated.
Maybe if we the people began asking the qurestion of WHY these things happened and looked at the world with eyes other than those our greedy leaders and corporate masters wanted, we'd have greater understanding and compassion.
i hate shit like this....HEY ED DONT RUIN next weeks shows with this banter bullshit.....
KILL EM ALL...rip there toes off and feed them to sharks.........
lost 5 friends to 911
lost 7 friends in the war.....
So this excuses locking up and torturing a large number of innocent people in GITMO does it?
I lost two friends to Bali bombing #1
I lost one student i was teaching in Bali Boming #2
What about the thousands of innocents includiong women and children killed in IRAQ and Afghanistan - do they count in your eyes? What about the children in Israel or Palestine or Dafour or any other war torn land.
Torture is NEVER acceptable, neither is locking up of innocent people or the death penalty for that matter. There are better ways yet the Bush (and dickwit Howard in Australia) administrations were too fucking stupid and bloodyminded to see it and have helped spawn a new generation of terrorists who want to get us. They played the politics of fear and bigotry and you have signed up to their cause. I bet you believe everything on Fox News too. You probably booed Pearl Jam after Bu$hleaguer
At the end of the day it is the innocent that suffer so those with hate and greed can have their way all over the world. Maybe it is time we all saw this and stood up to the real evil doers rather than allow cultures and people to be scapegoated.
Maybe if we the people began asking the qurestion of WHY these things happened and looked at the world with eyes other than those our greedy leaders and corporate masters wanted, we'd have greater understanding and compassion.
listen im not going to argue with you.. i dont disagree with anything your saying either..... and for the record i was one of the people in a post about the NASSAU long island show thread ...that I THOUGHT ED GOT THE WRONG IDEA....i booed cause i hate bush... i booed cause i never liked bush since day one NOT CAUSE ED HATES HIM... i speak for myself...
and yes i might have come down a little harsh on what i said... but at the same time ... ITS A "WAR" kill or be killed.... there shouldnt be ANY RULES IN WAR... PRISONERS should have no writes....... just like our justice system .... its a joke a man can kill someone in cold blood...sit in jail for a few years and walk out....REALLY.... EYE FOR AN EYE
Hey Sea! You should have started this thread in ALL ENCOMPASSING TRIP. What the fuck were you thinking :?: :!:
People pay for their mistakes here in this world. If not them, their family for generations and generations to come. The "terrorists", USA, the World, the fuck who came up with barney.... everybody´s ass is up for whoever wants to throw a fucking rock in the air.
i hate shit like this....HEY ED DONT RUIN next weeks shows with this banter bullshit.....
KILL EM ALL...rip there toes off and feed them to sharks.........
lost 5 friends to 911
lost 7 friends in the war.....
So this excuses locking up and torturing a large number of innocent people in GITMO does it?
I lost two friends to Bali bombing #1
I lost one student i was teaching in Bali Boming #2
What about the thousands of innocents includiong women and children killed in IRAQ and Afghanistan - do they count in your eyes? What about the children in Israel or Palestine or Dafour or any other war torn land.
Torture is NEVER acceptable, neither is locking up of innocent people or the death penalty for that matter. There are better ways yet the Bush (and dickwit Howard in Australia) administrations were too fucking stupid and bloodyminded to see it and have helped spawn a new generation of terrorists who want to get us. They played the politics of fear and bigotry and you have signed up to their cause. I bet you believe everything on Fox News too. You probably booed Pearl Jam after Bu$hleaguer
At the end of the day it is the innocent that suffer so those with hate and greed can have their way all over the world. Maybe it is time we all saw this and stood up to the real evil doers rather than allow cultures and people to be scapegoated.
Maybe if we the people began asking the qurestion of WHY these things happened and looked at the world with eyes other than those our greedy leaders and corporate masters wanted, we'd have greater understanding and compassion.
listen im not going to argue with you.. i dont disagree with anything your saying either..... and for the record i was one of the people in a post about the NASSAU long island show thread ...that I THOUGHT ED GOT THE WRONG IDEA....i booed cause i hate bush... i booed cause i never liked bush since day one NOT CAUSE ED HATES HIM... i speak for myself...
and yes i might have come down a little harsh on what i said... but at the same time ... ITS A "WAR" kill or be killed.... there shouldnt be ANY RULES IN WAR... PRISONERS should have no writes....... just like our justice system .... its a joke a man can kill someone in cold blood...sit in jail for a few years and walk out....REALLY.... EYE FOR AN EYE
Thanks Joe, sorry to go so hard.
I agree - you kill someone in cold blood you should never be released, no problem with that, but most wars are fought for greed which the chicken hawks who design and run them sit safe in their towers, immune from the pain and suffering the ordinary people experience. IRAQ is a war crime. I have no malice for the soldiers - they serve with bravery and make the ultimate sacrafice. I do not mean to demean or discredit them at all. BUt those who profit and gain from wars, those who unjustly send our sons and daughters into harms way need to be brought to justice - on both sides.
But prisoners have rights. I am digusted at what happened to Danny Pearl and the other capitves at the hands of al qaeda and the other terrorists - their rights were ignored, but by that same standard, I must be disgusted at what goes on in GITMO, the Iraq prisons and those we've never heard of in Afghanistan, Egypt and other places. Some of the documentaries and youtube footage I have seen saddens me beyond belief. To hear stories of innocent people bashed to death, people whos legs are broken so many times they are just jelly, people whose rib cages are completely shattered, people tortured for no gain - we're better than that don't you think.
As a parent, to see an Iraqi man, tears streaming from his eyes as he carries the bloody remains of his child through the streets of Bahgdad distresses me more than you can ever imagine. To see bodies of children blown apart by either US or THEM is terrible. But there is no us or them, we are but one race - the human race - we all want the same out of life - peace, security and to live out lives in happiness. Jew Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Athiest (me), and every other denomination need to learn how to live together for the benefit of us all.
In the 2000s we need to find a way to settle differences that does not include blowing each other appart. The term collateral Damage needs to be removed from the dictionary - let's call it what it is - the indescriiminate killing of the innocent - and there are lots of them. The majority of people responsible for these wars (including Bin Ladin, Omar, Bush, Cheney, et al) are all still sleeping happily in their beds. How many US servicemen and women are dead, maimed and psychologically scarred thanks to these wars? How many innocents are dead? How many more must die? I
If we put the resources currently allocated to the war industries into solving poverty, into providing clean water for all, into education, into humanitarian projects, why would be need wars? When we examine who benefits from war, it is frightening - it is an industry - those who control that industry get very wealthy form the blood spilt on both sides.
To use the old quote.. It would be a really nice day when the local school got all the funds it needed and the airforce had to hold a cake stall to purchase a new bomber.
Thank you Pearl Jam for being artists who use their celebrity not for Reality TV or American Idol, but instead for bringing awareness to things bigger than a rock and roll band. Gitmo has long been shown as a place where every single part of our Constitution has been made exempt as well as international laws around prisoners of war have been violated. To think that something like music is used for torture is almost sacrilegious to me. Gitmo exposes how we really don't live in the democracy we think we do by the very fact it even exists. Pearl Jam fucking rules for standing up and making a statement! Now get back to rocking in a free world(?)!
“The love received is the love that is saved.”
Key Arena - Sep 22, 2009
Gorge Amphitheatre - Sep 01, 2005
Key Arena - Dec 08, 2002
I just people hope people think of the innocent lives that were taken by the hands of these scumbags when they think of treating these people nicely.
Eye for an eye..? Go go death penalty? USA rocks! health care for just a few! Go go! Fuck Europe with their socialism, less crimes and working health care. Land of the free! woohooh! A nation under the christian god! yes! Excellent. Evolution can't exist, go Adam and Eve. Mich more logical. And lets torture people at Gitmo! Lets prove to god we are the best! go go america!
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
I just people hope people think of the innocent lives that were taken by the hands of these scumbags when they think of treating these people nicely.
Eye for an eye..? Go go death penalty? USA rocks! health care for just a few! Go go! Fuck Europe with their socialism, less crimes and working health care. Land of the free! woohooh! A nation under the christian god! yes! Excellent. Evolution can't exist, go Adam and Eve. Mich more logical. And lets torture people at Gitmo! Lets prove to god we are the best! go go america!
I just people hope people think of the innocent lives that were taken by the hands of these scumbags when they think of treating these people nicely.
Eye for an eye..? Go go death penalty? USA rocks! health care for just a few! Go go! Fuck Europe with their socialism, less crimes and working health care. Land of the free! woohooh! A nation under the christian god! yes! Excellent. Evolution can't exist, go Adam and Eve. Mich more logical. And lets torture people at Gitmo! Lets prove to god we are the best! go go america!
go to Europe if it's so great. and by the way, when you get there, ask them why they keep coming over here if they got it so well at home. but no, you're probably just gonna sit around and continue to bitch about how bad America sucks, yet live off the great things and opportunities only America can provide. like the typical liberal.
I think waterboarding etc. is justified if we know for sure the person subjected to it has information that could save lives, if we do not have intelligence proving it though we shouldn't.
When it comes to closing GitMo I don't really care. I think there are far more important issues like the actual war, the economy etc.
Fuck guys, this is not America v Europe v the world. It is about decency, it's about respect of human rights, it's about good values and ethics. I don't like everything America stands for or has done, I don't like everything Australia stands for or has done, nor the UK, France, Italy etc etc etc. But i know deep down we (the people, not the governments) all share similar values and respect for freedom and similar desires for happiness and peace. The fact we have differences needs to be respected, not used as a vedge to show up one as better or worse than the other.
I am widely travelled, I would not choose to live in the USA if I had the chance, but I respect its achievements and also notice it's deficiencies. I love visiting the country and generally admire and respect Americans. I would not live in Europe or the UK (maybe Amsterdam - hehe). I would never live anywhere else but Australia - that is my preference but I respect someone who has a different prefernce for reasons that suit them.
I have a right to an opinion - but it is just my opinion based on my exeriences, knowledge and attitudes. We all have that right, and good luck to you all.
I think waterboarding etc. is justified if we know for sure the person subjected to it has information that could save lives, if we do not have intelligence proving it though we shouldn't.
When it comes to closing GitMo I don't really care. I think there are far more important issues like the actual war, the economy etc.
What about the Japanese guards who were executed by the US as war criminals for waterboarding US troops during interorgations during WW2? To use your argument, were they not then justified given the USA used a weapon of mass destruction on two Japanese cities but exectuted none the less? Again, I am well aware the Japanese Imperial Forces conductd numerous atrocities agasint American and Australian troops than can never be excused.
I just people hope people think of the innocent lives that were taken by the hands of these scumbags when they think of treating these people nicely.
Eye for an eye..? Go go death penalty? USA rocks! health care for just a few! Go go! Fuck Europe with their socialism, less crimes and working health care. Land of the free! woohooh! A nation under the christian god! yes! Excellent. Evolution can't exist, go Adam and Eve. Mich more logical. And lets torture people at Gitmo! Lets prove to god we are the best! go go america!
Please refrain from your negative generalizations regarding the USofA and it's people. It is not accurate nor constructive.
Is that better Kat? Just tired of the constant generalized insults that go on here. It sucks that I can't respond in kind.
so if by chance they did use a pj song at gitmo, i wonder what song it was? Maybe heyfoxymop? Other than that they prolly just created some new pj fans! Bin Laden's prolly jamming Yield right now!
Further back and forth a wave will break on me, today...
Why cant these guys just ask me to donate $2 for some kid who is hungry???? Or $5 for some kid who needs medication??? Or $5 for some kid who needs a toy on Christmas????
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I say we move all the terrorists to Seattle. Maybe PJ can hire them as roadies. :roll:
Come on... don't you think those in the Department of Defense might know better about the good of the country than a bunch of entertainers. Collect money for the poor or fight a disease. But get outta the business of trying to run this war... or work your issues thru your Congressmen like the rest of us have to.
I don't think anyone has said free any terrorists. Closing Gitmo does not equate to freeing terrorists.
Not using art as torture would be a good thing because it's art and because torture is not ok. And why would rock music equate with torture? It sounds like something old farts from the 50s would say. Rock is evil, etc. How looney is that, eh? We're all rock fans. I know I'm not looney and using rock for torture is wrong on so many levels.
Trials are required for the detainees so the facts can be determined. Just locking people up without charges and a trial is un-American and torture is definitely un-American and illegal.
Have the trials, incarcerate anyone who is guilty and free anyone who was swept up in error.
I'm so proud of our guys for walking the talk.
The above is my personal opinion and I have many more but not enough time. Please be sure posts on any threads, including this one, are not rude and follow the Posting Guidelines above.
I know it's against US/DoD policy to torture. But the question is, "What is torture?"
Doing physical, irreversible harm to the body could probably be considered torture. Maybe even waterboarding could be considered torture.
But making enemies listen to The Whale Song 50 times in a row to extract intelligence is hardly torture. And unless there is some legal ground preventing the use of music in this method, methinks the artist is SOL.
How bout we let current US leadership make this call. Your President & Congress are in power now and I bet he'll make the best decision for the country.
I'm thinking that since they did it for hour after hour after hour thinking they were torturing the inmates...they thought it was torture so ... well, it must be considered torture since that was their intent.
Hey... war isn't pretty. And maybe some questionable things have happened at GITMO in the past.
But our fighting brothers and sisters aren't going to get the information they need to save lives by giving inmates hot chocolate and reading them bedtime stories.
As long as physical, irreversible harm isn't done to the terrorists (because we're better than that), you better pray that the troops defending your freedoms are doing everything in their power to keep the bad guys from repeating 9/11.
Just because they play the song over and over and over doesn't make it torture. Uncomfortable to the point of giving information... but not torture.
Why cant these guys just ask me to donate $2 for some kid who is hungry???? Or $5 for some kid who needs medication??? Or $5 for some kid who needs a toy on Christmas????
I was at the Robin Hood Rocks show in 2008, I think that qualifies. Plus, I'm sure the guys do lots more stuff that we're not even aware of.
And, I don't need to be asked by a band to donate for a kids Christmas. I can seek that out on my own.
That said, I'm glad they joined this cause. It's a cause that helps promote human rights. Torture has no place in the US or anywhere in the world.
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The problem is, the majority of people who have been through that hell hole were not terrorists. Fighting for the Taliban (or whatever regional army they were with) against and invading army (no matter what the rights or wrongs are of that invasion) does not make you a terrorist. Most of these guys were defending their country, the same as I would do if a hostile force invaded Australia.
watch the movie Rendition.
Add to this those who were killed in secret prisons elsewhere. How many were unjustly detained because people were paid to turn over terrorists and then turned over their enemies, rivals or randoms for the money.
Pol Pot said he'd happily see ten innocent men executed than let one guilty man go free. I would have thought we were better than this. If you embrace freedom and justice, you must also embrace it for your enemies. I have no issue with locking away for life a terrorist and in no way support their actions, but to lower ourselves to their level makes us little better than them. Only through justice and compassion for all - even those who would wish evil on us, do we rise to a higher plane. I am no Christian, but I believe Christian teachings embrace such ethics.
:twisted:
KILL EM ALL...rip there toes off and feed them to sharks.........
lost 5 friends to 911
lost 7 friends in the war.....
So this excuses locking up and torturing a large number of innocent people in GITMO does it?
I lost two friends to Bali bombing #1
I lost one student i was teaching in Bali Boming #2
What about the thousands of innocents includiong women and children killed in IRAQ and Afghanistan - do they count in your eyes? What about the children in Israel or Palestine or Dafour or any other war torn land.
Torture is NEVER acceptable, neither is locking up of innocent people or the death penalty for that matter. There are better ways yet the Bush (and dickwit Howard in Australia) administrations were too fucking stupid and bloodyminded to see it and have helped spawn a new generation of terrorists who want to get us. They played the politics of fear and bigotry and you have signed up to their cause. I bet you believe everything on Fox News too. You probably booed Pearl Jam after Bu$hleaguer
Flying planes into buildings, bombing subway trains, blowing up restaurants and nightclubs, firing rockets into civilian areas, kidnapping, beheading and other atrocities are not acceptable either and cannot be excused. I am in no way supporting these actions nor making excuses for them - this is humanity at its fucking worst - bit so is GITMO. But you can only hold the high moral ground if you hold onto your morals. When we give away the freedoms and compassion we believe in in the name of revenge - are we then no better than those we deem evil???
At the end of the day it is the innocent that suffer so those with hate and greed can have their way all over the world. Maybe it is time we all saw this and stood up to the real evil doers rather than allow cultures and people to be scapegoated.
Maybe if we the people began asking the qurestion of WHY these things happened and looked at the world with eyes other than those our greedy leaders and corporate masters wanted, we'd have greater understanding and compassion.
YEEEEEHHHHAAAAAAWWWWWW...
lets go kill us some turrorists....
listen im not going to argue with you.. i dont disagree with anything your saying either..... and for the record i was one of the people in a post about the NASSAU long island show thread ...that I THOUGHT ED GOT THE WRONG IDEA....i booed cause i hate bush... i booed cause i never liked bush since day one NOT CAUSE ED HATES HIM... i speak for myself...
and yes i might have come down a little harsh on what i said... but at the same time ... ITS A "WAR" kill or be killed.... there shouldnt be ANY RULES IN WAR... PRISONERS should have no writes....... just like our justice system .... its a joke a man can kill someone in cold blood...sit in jail for a few years and walk out....REALLY.... EYE FOR AN EYE
People pay for their mistakes here in this world. If not them, their family for generations and generations to come. The "terrorists", USA, the World, the fuck who came up with barney.... everybody´s ass is up for whoever wants to throw a fucking rock in the air.
Thanks Joe, sorry to go so hard.
I agree - you kill someone in cold blood you should never be released, no problem with that, but most wars are fought for greed which the chicken hawks who design and run them sit safe in their towers, immune from the pain and suffering the ordinary people experience. IRAQ is a war crime. I have no malice for the soldiers - they serve with bravery and make the ultimate sacrafice. I do not mean to demean or discredit them at all. BUt those who profit and gain from wars, those who unjustly send our sons and daughters into harms way need to be brought to justice - on both sides.
But prisoners have rights. I am digusted at what happened to Danny Pearl and the other capitves at the hands of al qaeda and the other terrorists - their rights were ignored, but by that same standard, I must be disgusted at what goes on in GITMO, the Iraq prisons and those we've never heard of in Afghanistan, Egypt and other places. Some of the documentaries and youtube footage I have seen saddens me beyond belief. To hear stories of innocent people bashed to death, people whos legs are broken so many times they are just jelly, people whose rib cages are completely shattered, people tortured for no gain - we're better than that don't you think.
As a parent, to see an Iraqi man, tears streaming from his eyes as he carries the bloody remains of his child through the streets of Bahgdad distresses me more than you can ever imagine. To see bodies of children blown apart by either US or THEM is terrible. But there is no us or them, we are but one race - the human race - we all want the same out of life - peace, security and to live out lives in happiness. Jew Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Athiest (me), and every other denomination need to learn how to live together for the benefit of us all.
In the 2000s we need to find a way to settle differences that does not include blowing each other appart. The term collateral Damage needs to be removed from the dictionary - let's call it what it is - the indescriiminate killing of the innocent - and there are lots of them. The majority of people responsible for these wars (including Bin Ladin, Omar, Bush, Cheney, et al) are all still sleeping happily in their beds. How many US servicemen and women are dead, maimed and psychologically scarred thanks to these wars? How many innocents are dead? How many more must die? I
If we put the resources currently allocated to the war industries into solving poverty, into providing clean water for all, into education, into humanitarian projects, why would be need wars? When we examine who benefits from war, it is frightening - it is an industry - those who control that industry get very wealthy form the blood spilt on both sides.
To use the old quote.. It would be a really nice day when the local school got all the funds it needed and the airforce had to hold a cake stall to purchase a new bomber.
The ONLY thing better than a glass of beer is tea with Miss McGill
A protuberance of flesh above the waistband of a tight pair of trousers
Key Arena - Sep 22, 2009
Gorge Amphitheatre - Sep 01, 2005
Key Arena - Dec 08, 2002
Eye for an eye..? Go go death penalty? USA rocks! health care for just a few! Go go! Fuck Europe with their socialism, less crimes and working health care. Land of the free! woohooh! A nation under the christian god! yes! Excellent. Evolution can't exist, go Adam and Eve. Mich more logical. And lets torture people at Gitmo! Lets prove to god we are the best! go go america!
America....Fuck Yeah!!!
go to Europe if it's so great. and by the way, when you get there, ask them why they keep coming over here if they got it so well at home. but no, you're probably just gonna sit around and continue to bitch about how bad America sucks, yet live off the great things and opportunities only America can provide. like the typical liberal.
When it comes to closing GitMo I don't really care. I think there are far more important issues like the actual war, the economy etc.
I am widely travelled, I would not choose to live in the USA if I had the chance, but I respect its achievements and also notice it's deficiencies. I love visiting the country and generally admire and respect Americans. I would not live in Europe or the UK (maybe Amsterdam - hehe). I would never live anywhere else but Australia - that is my preference but I respect someone who has a different prefernce for reasons that suit them.
I have a right to an opinion - but it is just my opinion based on my exeriences, knowledge and attitudes. We all have that right, and good luck to you all.
What about the Japanese guards who were executed by the US as war criminals for waterboarding US troops during interorgations during WW2? To use your argument, were they not then justified given the USA used a weapon of mass destruction on two Japanese cities but exectuted none the less? Again, I am well aware the Japanese Imperial Forces conductd numerous atrocities agasint American and Australian troops than can never be excused.
Please refrain from your negative generalizations regarding the USofA and it's people. It is not accurate nor constructive.
Is that better Kat? Just tired of the constant generalized insults that go on here. It sucks that I can't respond in kind.
Free the terrorists!!!!!!!!
It never fucking ends..........
Why cant these guys just ask me to donate $2 for some kid who is hungry???? Or $5 for some kid who needs medication??? Or $5 for some kid who needs a toy on Christmas????
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I say we move all the terrorists to Seattle. Maybe PJ can hire them as roadies. :roll:
Come on... don't you think those in the Department of Defense might know better about the good of the country than a bunch of entertainers. Collect money for the poor or fight a disease. But get outta the business of trying to run this war... or work your issues thru your Congressmen like the rest of us have to.
I don't think anyone has said free any terrorists. Closing Gitmo does not equate to freeing terrorists.
Not using art as torture would be a good thing because it's art and because torture is not ok. And why would rock music equate with torture? It sounds like something old farts from the 50s would say. Rock is evil, etc. How looney is that, eh? We're all rock fans. I know I'm not looney and using rock for torture is wrong on so many levels.
Trials are required for the detainees so the facts can be determined. Just locking people up without charges and a trial is un-American and torture is definitely un-American and illegal.
Have the trials, incarcerate anyone who is guilty and free anyone who was swept up in error.
I'm so proud of our guys for walking the talk.
The above is my personal opinion and I have many more but not enough time. Please be sure posts on any threads, including this one, are not rude and follow the Posting Guidelines above.
Have a beautiful weekend all.
xo
Doing physical, irreversible harm to the body could probably be considered torture. Maybe even waterboarding could be considered torture.
But making enemies listen to The Whale Song 50 times in a row to extract intelligence is hardly torture. And unless there is some legal ground preventing the use of music in this method, methinks the artist is SOL.
How bout we let current US leadership make this call. Your President & Congress are in power now and I bet he'll make the best decision for the country.
But our fighting brothers and sisters aren't going to get the information they need to save lives by giving inmates hot chocolate and reading them bedtime stories.
As long as physical, irreversible harm isn't done to the terrorists (because we're better than that), you better pray that the troops defending your freedoms are doing everything in their power to keep the bad guys from repeating 9/11.
Just because they play the song over and over and over doesn't make it torture. Uncomfortable to the point of giving information... but not torture.
I was at the Robin Hood Rocks show in 2008, I think that qualifies. Plus, I'm sure the guys do lots more stuff that we're not even aware of.
And, I don't need to be asked by a band to donate for a kids Christmas. I can seek that out on my own.
That said, I'm glad they joined this cause. It's a cause that helps promote human rights. Torture has no place in the US or anywhere in the world.