PJ Joins Campaign to close Gitmo

dimitrispearljam

joe2468 wrote:

i hate shit like this....HEY ED DONT RUIN next weeks shows with this banter bullshit.....

KILL EM ALL...rip there toes off and feed them to sharks.........

lost 5 friends to 911
lost 7 friends in the war.....

Irak...Avganistan...Bietnam..Serbia...people die..both sides..WAR IS A BAD THING...My country is allies with USA..im in Airforce..i fuckin know what guns AND bombs do...try to find ways for PEACE..is the only way...trying to be the big policeman of the world....having place like Gitmo...the result is only one:
BLOOD - DEATH

And one day u will get it...9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

GIVE PEACE A FUCKIN CHANCE

pjalive21

another Pearl Jam cause that sucks to put it lightly

seriously guys what are you thinking?

how about we put these terrorist in Ed, Stone's, Jeff's, and Matt's backyard then lets see if they are joining this cause

i really try to look beyond all the politics but it just keeps getting worse and worse

all the rock bands coming together in support of the terrorist, gimme a freakin break

human rights? putting some water on someone's face to make them talk thats torture, how about we makes them listen to Riot Act on replay over and over

dimitrispearljam

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

Why cant these guys just ask me to donate $2 for some kid who is hungry???? Or $5 for some kid who needs medication??? Or $5 for some kid who needs a toy on Christmas????

I hope they do that Speedy

Spags

TBH, they should be supporting shutting that place down regardless of whether music was being used as a torture device...

acutejam

Let's just be clear --the release says "soundtrack for torutre" and within about the first five posts it's come to -- "Using Music to Torture People...."

I get the sleep deprivation aspect of it -- play music to keep 'em awake and agitated. We've settled that issue as torture?

I look forward to the day when Gitmo and its ilk aren't needed.

dimitrispearljam

Paul Andrews wrote:

Fuck guys, this is not America v Europe v the world. It is about decency, it's about respect of human rights, it's about good values and ethics. I don't like everything America stands for or has done, I don't like everything Australia stands for or has done, nor the UK, France, Italy etc etc etc. But i know deep down we (the people, not the governments) all share similar values and respect for freedom and similar desires for happiness and peace. The fact we have differences needs to be respected, not used as a vedge to show up one as better or worse than the other.

I am widely travelled, I would not choose to live in the USA if I had the chance, but I respect its achievements and also notice it's deficiencies. I love visiting the country and generally admire and respect Americans. I would not live in Europe or the UK (maybe Amsterdam - hehe). I would never live anywhere else but Australia - that is my preference but I respect someone who has a different prefernce for reasons that suit them.

I have a right to an opinion - but it is just my opinion based on my exeriences, knowledge and attitudes. We all have that right, and good luck to you all.

well said...stupid people are everywhere...no matter where...
PEACE

SPEEDY MCCREADY

I understand where making people listen to Riot Act for 24 hours would be considered torture.....

dimitrispearljam

pjalive21 wrote:

another Pearl Jam cause that sucks to put it lightly

seriously guys what are you thinking?

how about we put these terrorist in Ed, Stone's, Jeff's, and Matt's backyard then lets see if they are joining this cause

i really try to look beyond all the politics but it just keeps getting worse and worse

all the rock bands coming together in support of the terrorist, gimme a freakin break

human rights? putting some water on someone's face to make them talk thats torture, how about we makes them listen to Riot Act on replay over and over

I HOPE YOUR EYES WILL NOT SEE AND YOUR SOUL DONT FEEL THIS WATERPLAY U TALKING..
COUSE IF THIS HAPPEN THE WORD "HUMAN" WILL BE ERASE FOR EVER FROM YOUR MIND..

cincybearcat

dimitrispearljam wrote:

joe2468 wrote:

i hate shit like this....HEY ED DONT RUIN next weeks shows with this banter bullshit.....

KILL EM ALL...rip there toes off and feed them to sharks.........

lost 5 friends to 911
lost 7 friends in the war.....

Irak...Avganistan...Bietnam..Serbia...people die..both sides..WAR IS A BAD THING...My country is allies with USA..im in Airforce..i fuckin know what guns AND bombs do...try to find ways for PEACE..is the only way...trying to be the big policeman of the world....having place like Gitmo...the result is only one:
BLOOD - DEATH

And one day u will get it...9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

GIVE PEACE A FUCKIN CHANCE

I like what you said...up till "9/11 was an INSIDE JOB" which I believe is 100% BS.

pjalive21

dimitrispearljam wrote:

pjalive21 wrote:

another Pearl Jam cause that sucks to put it lightly

seriously guys what are you thinking?

how about we put these terrorist in Ed, Stone's, Jeff's, and Matt's backyard then lets see if they are joining this cause

i really try to look beyond all the politics but it just keeps getting worse and worse

all the rock bands coming together in support of the terrorist, gimme a freakin break

human rights? putting some water on someone's face to make them talk thats torture, how about we makes them listen to Riot Act on replay over and over

I HOPE YOUR EYES WILL NOT SEE AND YOUR SOUL DONT FEEL THIS WATERPLAY U TALKING..
COUSE IF THIS HAPPEN THE WORD "HUMAN" WILL BE ERASE FOR EVER FROM YOUR MIND..

please save your propaganda poetry for someone else...let Greece step up and take these people from Gitmo...i dont want them using my tax money to fight their court fees and i dont want them in our country our in my state

its amazing how many of you back closing Gitmo but none of your countries will step up and accept them and use your money to help fight their legal woes..its hypocrisy at its finest

some of you live in a time when everyone can hold hands and sing love songs but ignore the fact there is evil out there that doesnt care about peace and no matter what America does or doesnt do these people will forever exist and no matter what kind of America bashing anyone can come up with can deny the fact terrorism, evil , whatever you wanna call it will exist..there is no such thing as world peace..accept it now

usamamasan1

weak.

I do want to save the salmon though....thanks Stone!

jwhite173

I think I'm starting to figure this out finally...

Sure, opposing/closing GITMO is the liberal cause flavor of the day.

But don't be confused, the artist is least concerned with the inmates and most concerned with their music.

In this case, they don't want their music associated with anything related to the military, defense, war on terror, Republican, conservative, etc (much like Sarah Palin used Barracuda during the election).

It just isn't cool! :roll:

jwhite173

pjalive21 wrote:

please save your propaganda poetry for someone else...let Greece step up and take these people from Gitmo...i dont want them using my tax money to fight their court fees and i dont want them in our country our in my state

its amazing how many of you back closing Gitmo but none of your countries will step up and accept them and use your money to help fight their legal woes..its hypocrisy at its finest

some of you live in a time when everyone can hold hands and sing love songs but ignore the fact there is evil out there that doesnt care about peace and no matter what America does or doesnt do these people will forever exist and no matter what kind of America bashing anyone can come up with can deny the fact terrorism, evil , whatever you wanna call it will exist..there is no such thing as world peace..accept it now

+1

Jeanwah

It's interesting to see posts on here and other places PJ made this announcement with people stating that they think PJ should "shut up and sing" or "their politics suck". Have people really forgotten that PJ has always been involved in social and political issues? Have the new audience they're attracting not realize that the band always has and probably will be involved in speaking out against war and social justice?

This latest about shutting down Gitmo, esp. because their music may be involved in torture, fits right in line with their values, and I do wonder about the new fans and why they would rather turn a blind eye to the entire Gitmo issue, and why PJ is involved, and would rather stand indifferent on the whole thing. Disregarding the issues is pretending it doesn't exist. The band is simply spreading the word to be aware of the inhumane injustices going on (and have been going on at Gitmo), so really, the defiant need to say this is wrong without fully educating ourselves on the issue...is ignorant. Indifference is the essence of inhumanity.

dimitrispearljam

pjalive21 wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

pjalive21 wrote:

another Pearl Jam cause that sucks to put it lightly

seriously guys what are you thinking?

how about we put these terrorist in Ed, Stone's, Jeff's, and Matt's backyard then lets see if they are joining this cause

i really try to look beyond all the politics but it just keeps getting worse and worse

all the rock bands coming together in support of the terrorist, gimme a freakin break

human rights? putting some water on someone's face to make them talk thats torture, how about we makes them listen to Riot Act on replay over and over

I HOPE YOUR EYES WILL NOT SEE AND YOUR SOUL DONT FEEL THIS WATERPLAY U TALKING..
COUSE IF THIS HAPPEN THE WORD "HUMAN" WILL BE ERASE FOR EVER FROM YOUR MIND..

please save your propaganda poetry for someone else...let Greece step up and take these people from Gitmo...i dont want them using my tax money to fight their court fees and i dont want them in our country our in my state

its amazing how many of you back closing Gitmo but none of your countries will step up and accept them and use your money to help fight their legal woes..its hypocrisy at its finest

some of you live in a time when everyone can hold hands and sing love songs but ignore the fact there is evil out there that doesnt care about peace and no matter what America does or doesnt do these people will forever exist and no matter what kind of America bashing anyone can come up with can deny the fact terrorism, evil , whatever you wanna call it will exist..there is no such thing as world peace..accept it now

my propaganda dont kill "terrorist" familys..bombs did...and your tax money pay for those guns..those people in Gitmo dont choose from a travel agency destinaton Gitmo for their vacation,someone arrest them and put them there...with no evidance.....oups..Empires dont need any...
Usa is now the empire..always in history they do the same..Usa now,russia before,UK Persia,Greece,Rome,Egypt,Germany...its always the same...

i sure for one thing..WE are more the ones that want Peace instead of eye for an eye..
and if there is no such a thing called world peace i prefer to dream of it insted of accept this "im the big power right now and ill fucking kill u the way i want if u dont give me your oil,your water,your money

RoughMix

Paul Andrews wrote:

pickupyourwill wrote:

bosshogg18 wrote:

boooooooooooo. If people want Gitmo closed then that is their opinion and the bands opinion. I for one don't see anything wrong with the way "terrorists" are treated. How do these "terrorists" treat people? Bomb and kill thousands of innocent people. Sounds like we should give them a tempra-pedic bed and a plasma screen in their cells so they are comfortable.

you obviously never saw that movie with Jake Gyllenhal and Reese Witherspoon, based on a true story, where an innocent Arab-American man was wrongfully tortured because of wrong information. If its happened once, it can happen again, and probably has many times in the past there. damn I wish I could remember the name. will post it later.

got the cause posted on my facebook.

Add to this those who were killed in secret prisons elsewhere. How many were unjustly detained because people were paid to turn over terrorists and then turned over their enemies, rivals or randoms for the money.

Pol Pot said he'd happily see ten innocent men executed than let one guilty man go free. I would have thought we were better than this. If you embrace freedom and justice, you must also embrace it for your enemies. I have no issue with locking away for life a terrorist and in no way support their actions, but to lower ourselves to their level makes us little better than them. Only through justice and compassion for all - even those who would wish evil on us, do we rise to a higher plane. I am no Christian, but I believe Christian teachings embrace such ethics.

How did we lower ourselves to their level ? I do not believe we chopped off heads and filmed it for everyone to see.
Compassion for people who wish evil on us will only get YOU killed.

RoughMix

Paul Andrews wrote:

Fuck guys, this is not America v Europe v the world. It is about decency, it's about respect of human rights, it's about good values and ethics. I don't like everything America stands for or has done, I don't like everything Australia stands for or has done, nor the UK, France, Italy etc etc etc. But i know deep down we (the people, not the governments) all share similar values and respect for freedom and similar desires for happiness and peace. The fact we have differences needs to be respected, not used as a vedge to show up one as better or worse than the other.

I am widely travelled, I would not choose to live in the USA if I had the chance, but I respect its achievements and also notice it's deficiencies. I love visiting the country and generally admire and respect Americans. I would not live in Europe or the UK (maybe Amsterdam - hehe). I would never live anywhere else but Australia - that is my preference but I respect someone who has a different prefernce for reasons that suit them.

I have a right to an opinion - but it is just my opinion based on my exeriences, knowledge and attitudes. We all have that right, and good luck to you all.

The difference the Muslim extremists have between you and him is,they would like to see you dead.
They do not give a shit about you, your values, or your ethics.
So,go ahead and respect their human rights.I'm sure they will feel the same about yours. :roll:

jwhite173

Jeanwah wrote:

...esp. because their music may be involved in torture

MUSIC ISN'T TORTURE!!!!!

Paul Andrews

RoughMix wrote:

Paul Andrews wrote:

Fuck guys, this is not America v Europe v the world. It is about decency, it's about respect of human rights, it's about good values and ethics. I don't like everything America stands for or has done, I don't like everything Australia stands for or has done, nor the UK, France, Italy etc etc etc. But i know deep down we (the people, not the governments) all share similar values and respect for freedom and similar desires for happiness and peace. The fact we have differences needs to be respected, not used as a vedge to show up one as better or worse than the other.

I am widely travelled, I would not choose to live in the USA if I had the chance, but I respect its achievements and also notice it's deficiencies. I love visiting the country and generally admire and respect Americans. I would not live in Europe or the UK (maybe Amsterdam - hehe). I would never live anywhere else but Australia - that is my preference but I respect someone who has a different prefernce for reasons that suit them.

I have a right to an opinion - but it is just my opinion based on my exeriences, knowledge and attitudes. We all have that right, and good luck to you all.

The difference the Muslim extremists have between you and him is,they would like to see you dead.
They do not give a shit about you, your values, or your ethics.
So,go ahead and respect their human rights.I'm sure they will feel the same about yours. :roll:

Human rights are human rights - because your behaviour is sub-human, does not make you sub-human - it makes you deserving of incaseration - after being found guilty in a fair trial. I never said locking away for life a confirmed terrorist is wrong - I said we should hold up our morals and treat them as we wish to be treated. GITMO contained and still contains many people who are not terrorists and people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time - ie innocents. What about their human rights?

All sides have extremists in their midst - it is these people who damage us all and who need to be dealt with. These criminals demean and endanger us all. I feel no sympathy or compassion for them, but respect their right to an opinion and if they do something wrong - a fair trial and then swift and even justice. That is not happening. I for one would hate to be arrested and held without trial indefinately and tortured. GITMO is not the only example of this in world history. The Germans did it to the Jews, yes Muslim extremists do it to their captives, Russian Gulags are another example. Zimbabwe, Burma, China and other countries also shame us all. No matter where in the world this injustice lies, it should be rooted out and stopped. We cannot lecture other countries on how they should live, if we commit the same 'crimes'.

For the records, I do belive KSM, Hambali, OBL etc should be tried and if found guilty, locked away forever. I am concerned for the innocent in these places and the way we treat those found guilty. I fully support Pearl Jam in this as I supported them in the 'Not In My Name' campaign against the death penalty.

Kat

Huffington Post
Jon Soltz: Why Musicians Are Right, Liz Cheney Is Wrong
Jon Soltz , Co-Founder of VoteVets.org, served as a Captain in Operation Iraqi Freedom
Posted: October 23, 2009

Why Musicians Are Right, Liz Cheney Is Wrong

What's Your Reaction?

Yesterday, a coalition of US and international musicians, including Trent Reznor, R.E.M., Pearl Jam, Jackson
Browne, Rise Against, Rosanne Cash, Billy Bragg and the Roots announced they were joining the National
Campaign to Close Guantanamo, of which VoteVets.org is a part.

The musicians called for the close of the detention facility at Guantanamo, and issued a Freedom of
Information Act request to find out how their own music was used in conjunction with torture.

Almost immediately, Liz Cheney and her neocon group "Keep America Safe" responded by calling the efforts "pathetic" and "laughable."

No, what's laughable is that Liz Cheney and her cronies think they can lecture a group that includes veterans on the harm that Gitmo has done to our troops and our own security. What's pathetic is that by lobbying to keep Gitmo open, Liz Cheney's group is helping keep alive one of the greatest recruiting posters that al Qaeda ever had, yet they dare call themselves "Keep America Safe." They might as well call it "Keep al Qaeda Recruiting."

In response to Cheney, Matthew Alexander, a former senior interrogator, said, "Guantanamo Bay remains an effective recruiting tool for Al Qaida to this day. The longer it remains open, the longer we'll fail to do all we can to protect ourselves from terrorist attacks. It is the epitome of everything we could have done wrong in the fight against Islamic extremism -- unlawful detentions without charge and torture and abuse. We can only defeat ourselves in this battle, and Guantanamo Bay was, and remains, a big step in that direction."

Hmmm... Liz Cheney who never performed an interrogation in her life, or a guy who did it for a living? Who
has the cred here?

Matthew's position was echoed before, by VoteVets.org's Jay Bagwell, a former counterintelligence agent in Afghanistan. Bagwell, in a video recorded previously for VoteVets.org, "Torture makes our troops less safe.
Torture creates terrorists. It's used so widely as a propaganda tool, now. In Afghanistan, all too often detainees had pamphlets on them depicting what happened at Guantanamo."

This one is tough. Liz Cheney or a guy who dealt with detainees in Afghanistan? Who do you trust more on
what makes them tick?

The fact of the matter is that Guantanamo hurts our troops and makes America less safe. It has created
enemies, some of whom surely went on to harm or kill American troops. It's time to stand up to the Cheneys, and close Guantanamo. You can help. Join Matthew, Jay, and the veterans at VoteVets.org by signing our petition to Congress, here. http://ga3.org/campaign/CloseGitmo/

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