PJ Joins Campaign to close Gitmo

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  • Phantom Pain
    Phantom Pain Posts: 9,876
    edited October 2009
    Finally found a use for EVACUATION !!

    :o:o :P
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  • SurfingSasquatch
    SurfingSasquatch Posts: 15
    Thank you Pearl Jam for being artists who use their celebrity not for Reality TV or American Idol, but instead for bringing awareness to things bigger than a rock and roll band. Gitmo has long been shown as a place where every single part of our Constitution has been made exempt as well as international laws around prisoners of war have been violated. To think that something like music is used for torture is almost sacrilegious to me. Gitmo exposes how we really don't live in the democracy we think we do by the very fact it even exists. Pearl Jam fucking rules for standing up and making a statement! Now get back to rocking in a free world(?)!
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,593
    I just people hope people think of the innocent lives that were taken by the hands of these scumbags when they think of treating these people nicely.

    Eye for an eye..? Go go death penalty? USA rocks! health care for just a few! Go go! Fuck Europe with their socialism, less crimes and working health care. Land of the free! woohooh! A nation under the christian god! yes! Excellent. Evolution can't exist, go Adam and Eve. Mich more logical. And lets torture people at Gitmo! Lets prove to god we are the best! go go america!
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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    Spiritual_Chaos wrote:
    I just people hope people think of the innocent lives that were taken by the hands of these scumbags when they think of treating these people nicely.

    Eye for an eye..? Go go death penalty? USA rocks! health care for just a few! Go go! Fuck Europe with their socialism, less crimes and working health care. Land of the free! woohooh! A nation under the christian god! yes! Excellent. Evolution can't exist, go Adam and Eve. Mich more logical. And lets torture people at Gitmo! Lets prove to god we are the best! go go america!

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  • goo
    goo Posts: 226
    edited October 2009
    Spiritual_Chaos wrote:
    I just people hope people think of the innocent lives that were taken by the hands of these scumbags when they think of treating these people nicely.

    Eye for an eye..? Go go death penalty? USA rocks! health care for just a few! Go go! Fuck Europe with their socialism, less crimes and working health care. Land of the free! woohooh! A nation under the christian god! yes! Excellent. Evolution can't exist, go Adam and Eve. Mich more logical. And lets torture people at Gitmo! Lets prove to god we are the best! go go america!

    go to Europe if it's so great. and by the way, when you get there, ask them why they keep coming over here if they got it so well at home. but no, you're probably just gonna sit around and continue to bitch about how bad America sucks, yet live off the great things and opportunities only America can provide. like the typical liberal.
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  • scottstappsucks
    scottstappsucks Posts: 991
    I think waterboarding etc. is justified if we know for sure the person subjected to it has information that could save lives, if we do not have intelligence proving it though we shouldn't.

    When it comes to closing GitMo I don't really care. I think there are far more important issues like the actual war, the economy etc.
  • Danimal
    Danimal Posts: 2,000
    I don't get it. I like listening to music.
    "I don't believe in PJ fans but I believe there is something, not too sure what." - Thoughts_Arrive


  • Paul Andrews
    Paul Andrews Posts: 2,489
    Fuck guys, this is not America v Europe v the world. It is about decency, it's about respect of human rights, it's about good values and ethics. I don't like everything America stands for or has done, I don't like everything Australia stands for or has done, nor the UK, France, Italy etc etc etc. But i know deep down we (the people, not the governments) all share similar values and respect for freedom and similar desires for happiness and peace. The fact we have differences needs to be respected, not used as a vedge to show up one as better or worse than the other.

    I am widely travelled, I would not choose to live in the USA if I had the chance, but I respect its achievements and also notice it's deficiencies. I love visiting the country and generally admire and respect Americans. I would not live in Europe or the UK (maybe Amsterdam - hehe). I would never live anywhere else but Australia - that is my preference but I respect someone who has a different prefernce for reasons that suit them.

    I have a right to an opinion - but it is just my opinion based on my exeriences, knowledge and attitudes. We all have that right, and good luck to you all.
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  • Paul Andrews
    Paul Andrews Posts: 2,489
    scottstappsucks wrote:
    I think waterboarding etc. is justified if we know for sure the person subjected to it has information that could save lives, if we do not have intelligence proving it though we shouldn't.

    When it comes to closing GitMo I don't really care. I think there are far more important issues like the actual war, the economy etc.

    What about the Japanese guards who were executed by the US as war criminals for waterboarding US troops during interorgations during WW2? To use your argument, were they not then justified given the USA used a weapon of mass destruction on two Japanese cities but exectuted none the less? Again, I am well aware the Japanese Imperial Forces conductd numerous atrocities agasint American and Australian troops than can never be excused.
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  • jamingjamers
    jamingjamers Posts: 383
    Danimal wrote:
    I don't get it. I like listening to music.
    so do i
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,889
    Spiritual_Chaos wrote:
    I just people hope people think of the innocent lives that were taken by the hands of these scumbags when they think of treating these people nicely.

    Eye for an eye..? Go go death penalty? USA rocks! health care for just a few! Go go! Fuck Europe with their socialism, less crimes and working health care. Land of the free! woohooh! A nation under the christian god! yes! Excellent. Evolution can't exist, go Adam and Eve. Mich more logical. And lets torture people at Gitmo! Lets prove to god we are the best! go go america!


    Please refrain from your negative generalizations regarding the USofA and it's people. It is not accurate nor constructive.

    Is that better Kat? Just tired of the constant generalized insults that go on here. It sucks that I can't respond in kind.
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  • Gmoney
    Gmoney Posts: 1,618
    so if by chance they did use a pj song at gitmo, i wonder what song it was? Maybe heyfoxymop? Other than that they prolly just created some new pj fans! Bin Laden's prolly jamming Yield right now!
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  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 26,947
    Free the West Memphis Three child murderers!!!!

    Free the terrorists!!!!!!!!


    It never fucking ends..........


    Why cant these guys just ask me to donate $2 for some kid who is hungry???? Or $5 for some kid who needs medication??? Or $5 for some kid who needs a toy on Christmas????
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  • jwhite173
    jwhite173 Posts: 61
    Yep... free 'em all and close 'er down.

    I say we move all the terrorists to Seattle. Maybe PJ can hire them as roadies. :roll:

    Come on... don't you think those in the Department of Defense might know better about the good of the country than a bunch of entertainers. Collect money for the poor or fight a disease. But get outta the business of trying to run this war... or work your issues thru your Congressmen like the rest of us have to.
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,973
    Thoughtful and FACTUAL posts are welcome...

    I don't think anyone has said free any terrorists. Closing Gitmo does not equate to freeing terrorists.

    Not using art as torture would be a good thing because it's art and because torture is not ok. And why would rock music equate with torture? It sounds like something old farts from the 50s would say. Rock is evil, etc. How looney is that, eh? We're all rock fans. I know I'm not looney and using rock for torture is wrong on so many levels.

    Trials are required for the detainees so the facts can be determined. Just locking people up without charges and a trial is un-American and torture is definitely un-American and illegal.

    Have the trials, incarcerate anyone who is guilty and free anyone who was swept up in error.

    I'm so proud of our guys for walking the talk.

    The above is my personal opinion and I have many more but not enough time. Please be sure posts on any threads, including this one, are not rude and follow the Posting Guidelines above.

    Have a beautiful weekend all.
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  • Spags
    Spags Leigh-on-Sea, UK Posts: 3,057
    Can somebody explain to me what 'GITMO' is please?
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  • jwhite173
    jwhite173 Posts: 61
    I know it's against US/DoD policy to torture. But the question is, "What is torture?"

    Doing physical, irreversible harm to the body could probably be considered torture. Maybe even waterboarding could be considered torture.

    But making enemies listen to The Whale Song 50 times in a row to extract intelligence is hardly torture. And unless there is some legal ground preventing the use of music in this method, methinks the artist is SOL.

    How bout we let current US leadership make this call. Your President & Congress are in power now and I bet he'll make the best decision for the country.
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,973
    I'm thinking that since they did it for hour after hour after hour thinking they were torturing the inmates...they thought it was torture so ... well, it must be considered torture since that was their intent.

    :)
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  • jwhite173
    jwhite173 Posts: 61
    Hey... war isn't pretty. And maybe some questionable things have happened at GITMO in the past.

    But our fighting brothers and sisters aren't going to get the information they need to save lives by giving inmates hot chocolate and reading them bedtime stories.

    As long as physical, irreversible harm isn't done to the terrorists (because we're better than that), you better pray that the troops defending your freedoms are doing everything in their power to keep the bad guys from repeating 9/11.

    Just because they play the song over and over and over doesn't make it torture. Uncomfortable to the point of giving information... but not torture.

    :)
  • teeman
    teeman Posts: 337
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    Free the West Memphis Three child murderers!!!!

    Free the terrorists!!!!!!!!


    It never fucking ends..........


    Why cant these guys just ask me to donate $2 for some kid who is hungry???? Or $5 for some kid who needs medication??? Or $5 for some kid who needs a toy on Christmas????

    I was at the Robin Hood Rocks show in 2008, I think that qualifies. Plus, I'm sure the guys do lots more stuff that we're not even aware of.

    And, I don't need to be asked by a band to donate for a kids Christmas. I can seek that out on my own.

    That said, I'm glad they joined this cause. It's a cause that helps promote human rights. Torture has no place in the US or anywhere in the world.

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