Stranger allegedly slaps crying child in store

Hawkshore

pjhawks wrote:

Hawkshore wrote:

Cinnamon Girl wrote:

"WAAAAWAAAA....Mommy I want to go home!! I hate shopping!!"

"WAAAAAWAAAA....I wish someone would shut that kid up! WAAAAAAA....my ears hurt!!"

Maybe your mom should have let you learn to deal with your emotions and frustrations when you were a kid instead of spoiling you by giving you exactly what you wanted. Perhaps the result would be a less self righteous adult.

Well said CG is is incredible how selfish some people can be!!!

Now if it was in a nice restaurant or a movie theatre I would be more inclined to remove my son from the situation but in a Wal Mart or grocery store pleeeease!!! :roll:

so your child acts out and you do nothing to or can't stop it and others are the selfish ones - love parental logic.

Look obviously I'm going to try to minimize the inconvenience but if he won’t stop and we need to shop you will have to deal with it!

What should I do not feed my family because of the inconvenience to you??? .......Again who is being selfish here!!!

dawng

I can hardly believe this thread...

Terrible, terrible thing for someone to hit any child - especially someone else's child! :twisted:

I'm not even going to get started on those complaining about children crying in a grocery store :roll:

Cinnamon Girl

norm wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWxIu4rjm7E

LOL!! That's funny.

Ms. Haiku

norm wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWxIu4rjm7E

I'm still laughing!

Drowned Out

A couple of common themes in this thread, for sure...
Lack of empathy...
Concerned citizen syndrome....

pjhawks - karma's a bitch man...hope you're not flying anytime soon, lest you be surrounded by toddlers with ear problems....then you can demand that we remove the kids from the plane :roll: I'll be behind you, kicking your seat the whole flight

9 times out of 10, the parent is doing their best to get out of the situation without either perpetuating the behaviour, or having to risk doing it all again by abandoning what they're shopping for. well....maybe 6 times out of 10 at Wal Mart.

I've always tried to empathize with parents in these situations, even before I had kids. It is WAY easier to do once you've experienced it...and once you HAVE experienced it, you could kiss the people that give you a look that says "I have kids of my own, I understand"....and people like pjhawks, who give you a look that says, "shut that fucking brat up, I'm looking for a lowest price guarantee" are risking being unleashed upon with the full frustrated fury of a parent coping with an irrational, screaming child. One of these days I am going to get right in one of those peoples' faces and tell them to get fucked, and it will feel soooooo good.

pearljgirl2010

Last week, I got into an argument at CVS with a 15 year old BOY...he had no manners, was so rude to an older woman, and had a filthy mouth...I'm twice his age and was disgusted with his behavior...I would have LOVED to smack him in the face...I wish his Mom was there to hear how well her kid was behaving...it doesn't matter if the "kid" is 2 years or 15 years old. Teaching good behavior and not letting your kid get away with everything or get what he wants all the time are important

pjhawks

Drowned Out wrote:

A couple of common themes in this thread, for sure...
Lack of empathy...
Concerned citizen syndrome....

pjhawks - karma's a bitch man...hope you're not flying anytime soon, lest you be surrounded by toddlers with ear problems....then you can demand that we remove the kids from the plane :roll: I'll be behind you, kicking your seat the whole flight

9 times out of 10, the parent is doing their best to get out of the situation without either perpetuating the behaviour, or having to risk doing it all again by abandoning what they're shopping for. well....maybe 6 times out of 10 at Wal Mart.

I've always tried to empathize with parents in these situations, even before I had kids. It is WAY easier to do once you've experienced it...and once you HAVE experienced it, you could kiss the people that give you a look that says "I have kids of my own, I understand"....and people like pjhawks, who give you a look that says, "shut that fucking brat up, I'm looking for a lowest price guarantee" are risking being unleashed upon with the full frustrated fury of a parent coping with an irrational, screaming child. One of these days I am going to get right in one of those peoples' faces and tell them to get fucked, and it will feel soooooo good.

why am I being insulted here? at no point have I issued any insults to parents - i've simply stated the case of the people in the store without children and the perspective of non-parents and i've been labeled selfish (how not wanting to hear a child crying is selfish i dont know), ridiculous and other things. why does my opinion not count? the essential answer here from parents is there is nothing that can be done about it and somehow those of us who might be annoyed by a screaming pouting child, who is not our child, are somehow in the wrong. i just don't understand the parental logic of insulting others for not wanting to hear your child's misbehavior.

MrMerkinball

pjhawks wrote:

Drowned Out wrote:

A couple of common themes in this thread, for sure...
Lack of empathy...
Concerned citizen syndrome....

pjhawks - karma's a bitch man...hope you're not flying anytime soon, lest you be surrounded by toddlers with ear problems....then you can demand that we remove the kids from the plane :roll: I'll be behind you, kicking your seat the whole flight

9 times out of 10, the parent is doing their best to get out of the situation without either perpetuating the behaviour, or having to risk doing it all again by abandoning what they're shopping for. well....maybe 6 times out of 10 at Wal Mart.

I've always tried to empathize with parents in these situations, even before I had kids. It is WAY easier to do once you've experienced it...and once you HAVE experienced it, you could kiss the people that give you a look that says "I have kids of my own, I understand"....and people like pjhawks, who give you a look that says, "shut that fucking brat up, I'm looking for a lowest price guarantee" are risking being unleashed upon with the full frustrated fury of a parent coping with an irrational, screaming child. One of these days I am going to get right in one of those peoples' faces and tell them to get fucked, and it will feel soooooo good.

why am I being insulted here? at no point have I issued any insults to parents - i've simply stated the case of the people in the store without children and the perspective of non-parents and i've been labeled selfish (how not wanting to hear a child crying is selfish i dont know), ridiculous and other things. why does my opinion not count? the essential answer here from parents is there is nothing that can be done about it and somehow those of us who might be annoyed by a screaming pouting child, who is not our child, are somehow in the wrong. i just don't understand the parental logic of insulting others for not wanting to hear your child's misbehavior.

The parents in this thread are not insulted when you are annoyed by our screaming children. Newsflash - We are more annoyed and stressed about it than you.

The insulting part (and I'm sure you are a good guy) is that you are essentially saying It's our fault as parents and we are not doing a good job.

pjhawks

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why am I being insulted here? at no point have I issued any insults to parents - i've simply stated the case of the people in the store without children and the perspective of non-parents and i've been labeled selfish (how not wanting to hear a child crying is selfish i dont know), ridiculous and other things. why does my opinion not count? the essential answer here from parents is there is nothing that can be done about it and somehow those of us who might be annoyed by a screaming pouting child, who is not our child, are somehow in the wrong. i just don't understand the parental logic of insulting others for not wanting to hear your child's misbehavior.[/quote]
The parents in this thread are not insulted when you are annoyed by our screaming children. Newsflash - We are more annoyed and stressed about it than you.

The insulting part (and I'm sure you are a good guy) is that you are essentially saying It's our fault as parents and we are not doing a good job.[/quote]


I honestly don't think I ever said that or tried to insinuate that. If for some reason that is how I've come across than I understand people directing comments at me. I am just coming from the perspective that it can be annoying to us and don't make us out to be the bad guy because we are getting annoyed at it. I mean the guy above wants to kick me in the face for being annoyed at his child acting out - how is that acceptable?

MrMerkinball

pjhawks wrote:

I honestly don't think I ever said that or tried to insinuate that. If for some reason that is how I've come across than I understand people directing comments at me. I am just coming from the perspective that it can be annoying to us and don't make us out to be the bad guy because we are getting annoyed at it. I mean the guy above wants to kick me in the face for being annoyed at his child acting out - how is that acceptable?

By saying the following:

* "Don't come shopping"
* "Why should I have to deal with it"?

....it is insulting.

Feel free to be annoyed. But please try to understand that 90% of the parents in that situation are doing their very best.

The other 10% of parents who yell back or let their frustrations get the better of them could probably do a better job.

Bottom line my free wheeling-non parent-friend, is that parenting the little ones is a non stop adventure that has it's highs and lows. It pushes and challenges you 24 hours a day from the moment that kid is born. It is exhausting and exhilarating.

It is simply the best thing in the world, and I am sorry - you can never understand it until you have done it.

libragirl

ZiggyStar wrote:

Some parents really do need to fucking shut their kids up at shopping centres though. I can't stand kids screaming and hate when parents just walk along ignoring them or leave them to scream in the aisle and walk off. They may be used to that sound -- but I'm not.

Yeah, I hear you. I hate when parents don't discipline their kids. But yeah that guy was totally out of line. :evil:

pjhawks

MrMerkinball wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

I honestly don't think I ever said that or tried to insinuate that. If for some reason that is how I've come across than I understand people directing comments at me. I am just coming from the perspective that it can be annoying to us and don't make us out to be the bad guy because we are getting annoyed at it. I mean the guy above wants to kick me in the face for being annoyed at his child acting out - how is that acceptable?

By saying the following:

* "Don't come shopping"
* "Why should I have to deal with it"?

....it is insulting.

Feel free to be annoyed. But please try to understand that 90% of the parents in that situation are doing their very best.

The other 10% of parents who yell back or let their frustrations get the better of them could probably do a better job.

Bottom line my free wheeling-non parent-friend, is that parenting the little ones is a non stop adventure that has it's highs and lows. It pushes and challenges you 24 hours a day from the moment that kid is born. It is exhausting and exhilarating.

It is simply the best thing in the world, and I am sorry - you can never understand it until you have done it.

yup the world revolves you and your children and the rest of us be damned - that is the sentiment on every post of the parents on here but i'm the bad guy because I don't like it when parents do nothing as their children act out and create scenes in public places.

and boy saying i can't understand it is very condescending but thanks - hope you teach that to your children.

Drowned Out

pjhawks wrote:

why am I being insulted here? at no point have I issued any insults to parents - i've simply stated the case of the people in the store without children and the perspective of non-parents and i've been labeled selfish (how not wanting to hear a child crying is selfish i dont know), ridiculous and other things. why does my opinion not count? the essential answer here from parents is there is nothing that can be done about it and somehow those of us who might be annoyed by a screaming pouting child, who is not our child, are somehow in the wrong. i just don't understand the parental logic of insulting others for not wanting to hear your child's misbehavior.

How did I insult you? I hope you didn’t get the impression I was talking about kicking you in the face! I was joking about kicking your seat in an airplane, and getting in your face if you gave me attitude over my kid crying…never advocated violence.
I once sat thru a six hour flight with a SCREAMING two year old…the poor parents tried EVERYTHING imaginable, and could not get the child to stop. While it was possibly the most aggravating thing I’ve ever been thru, I would not look at it as bad parenting or a misbehaving child. There was obviously something wrong, and I felt terrible for the parents having to deal with condemning looks from other passengers on top of the stress of knowing their kid was in discomfort. And that is the point – you have no idea why the child is crying, nor what the parents have tried or not tried to make it stop / what works best for that particular kid…the lack of empathy and self-important attitude of ‘not wanting to hear a child crying’ makes an already difficult situation a lot more difficult. It comes off as seriously callous to say you don’t want to hear a child cry. Like…have a fucking heart, man! It’s a KID.

For the record; I agree that the restaurant/movie situation is completely different. The key being that it is possible to leave and return once the kid has calmed down. But I’ll be godamned if I’m going to leave a cart full of groceries and then have to try again later (and by this logic, possibly starve to death), just so that you don’t have to listen to a kid cry for a minute or two while in public. Suck it up. Seriously.


If you are simply saying you condemn parents that dont' do anything about it, fine...but that's backpeddling - you have made much broader statements thruout this thread.

milarso

Drowned Out wrote:

I once sat thru a six hour flight with a SCREAMING two year old…

I know it's kind of off the topic, but noise canceling headphones are the best investment I ever made. Especially if you are a person who travels a lot.

Drowned Out

milarso wrote:

Drowned Out wrote:

I once sat thru a six hour flight with a SCREAMING two year old…

I know it's kind of off the topic, but noise canceling headphones are the best investment I ever made. Especially if you are a person who travels a lot.

Not off topic at all (well, not off the derailed topic anyway)! Do they sell them at Wal Mart?

pjhawks

Drowned Out wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

why am I being insulted here? at no point have I issued any insults to parents - i've simply stated the case of the people in the store without children and the perspective of non-parents and i've been labeled selfish (how not wanting to hear a child crying is selfish i dont know), ridiculous and other things. why does my opinion not count? the essential answer here from parents is there is nothing that can be done about it and somehow those of us who might be annoyed by a screaming pouting child, who is not our child, are somehow in the wrong. i just don't understand the parental logic of insulting others for not wanting to hear your child's misbehavior.

How did I insult you? I hope you didn’t get the impression I was talking about kicking you in the face! I was joking about kicking your seat in an airplane, and getting in your face if you gave me attitude over my kid crying…never advocated violence.
I once sat thru a six hour flight with a SCREAMING two year old…the poor parents tried EVERYTHING imaginable, and could not get the child to stop. While it was possibly the most aggravating thing I’ve ever been thru, I would not look at it as bad parenting or a misbehaving child. There was obviously something wrong, and I felt terrible for the parents having to deal with condemning looks from other passengers on top of the stress of knowing their kid was in discomfort. And that is the point – you have no idea why the child is crying, nor what the parents have tried or not tried to make it stop / what works best for that particular kid…the lack of empathy and self-important attitude of ‘not wanting to hear a child crying’ makes an already difficult situation a lot more difficult. It comes off as seriously callous to say you don’t want to hear a child cry. Like…have a fucking heart, man! It’s a KID.

For the record; I agree that the restaurant/movie situation is completely different. The key being that it is possible to leave and return once the kid has calmed down. But I’ll be godamned if I’m going to leave a cart full of groceries and then have to try again later (and by this logic, possibly starve to death), just so that you don’t have to listen to a kid cry for a minute or two while in public. Suck it up. Seriously.


If you are simply saying you condemn parents that dont' do anything about it, fine...but that's backpeddling - you have made much broader statements thruout this thread.

i don't think we are talking about a child simply "crying", at least I haven't been - the behavior that i think this thread talks about is more the unruly, 5-10 minutes of just flat out pure evil ear-splitting temper tantrums that are a huge disruption to anyone and everyone. obviously i think there is a distinction between normal child behavior and disruptions of this nature. maybe that is why this thread has taken a turn for the worse because the definitions of what i am referring to and what parents here are referring to are two different things.

DewieCox

Vedderfan10 wrote:

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

And now you compare an innocent child....to your dog????

This is great......

You're funny!

Dog or 3 year old = same basic level of intelligence...according to recent studies, not me.

PS. Did I say in here anywhere that I didn't have kids?

I don't buy that for one second.

milarso

Drowned Out wrote:

milarso wrote:

Drowned Out wrote:

I once sat thru a six hour flight with a SCREAMING two year old…

I know it's kind of off the topic, but noise canceling headphones are the best investment I ever made. Especially if you are a person who travels a lot.

Not off topic at all (well, not off the derailed topic anyway)! Do they sell them at Wal Mart?

You might have to buy them before you go to Wal Mart. Word on the street is that it is crazy noisy up in that place!

MrMerkinball

pjhawks wrote:

MrMerkinball wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

I honestly don't think I ever said that or tried to insinuate that. If for some reason that is how I've come across than I understand people directing comments at me. I am just coming from the perspective that it can be annoying to us and don't make us out to be the bad guy because we are getting annoyed at it. I mean the guy above wants to kick me in the face for being annoyed at his child acting out - how is that acceptable?

By saying the following:

* "Don't come shopping"
* "Why should I have to deal with it"?

....it is insulting.

Feel free to be annoyed. But please try to understand that 90% of the parents in that situation are doing their very best.

The other 10% of parents who yell back or let their frustrations get the better of them could probably do a better job.

Bottom line my free wheeling-non parent-friend, is that parenting the little ones is a non stop adventure that has it's highs and lows. It pushes and challenges you 24 hours a day from the moment that kid is born. It is exhausting and exhilarating.

It is simply the best thing in the world, and I am sorry - you can never understand it until you have done it.

yup the world revolves you and your children and the rest of us be damned - that is the sentiment on every post of the parents on here but i'm the bad guy because I don't like it when parents do nothing as their children act out and create scenes in public places.

and boy saying i can't understand it is very condescending but thanks - hope you teach that to your children.

I apologize. You are right. I'll go home now and sit in my house and come out when the kids are teenagers. They will be well adjusted young adults if I keep them completely isolated.

I really didn't mean to be disrespectful....I just get a kick out of people who have no clue what it's like, and seem to think it is so simple.

g under p

Some of the suggestions made here by some of our posters are unreal indeed. As a father and single parent of my daughter what I can suggest is it takes patience to be a good parent. I fortunately had to have a lot of that being a pre-school teacher of 20 in my classroom many years ago. The earlier you can teach a child basic child rearing behavior the easier it will be as they get older, however now as a teen I wonder about that.

I can recall one incident coming back from Nantucket, Mass when my daughter was 4 and we had to stop in Laguardia Airport, NJ. We sat on that tarmac for 4 hours and I had to hold my daughter in arms through bathroom issues etc. It was dead silence on that plane except for a few passengers whining about why and when we were going to leave. I just held her, talked to her and answered about a 1000 questions she had until the plane FINALLY took off. It's at that time she finally fell asleep, upon arrival in DC the passengers around us all came by and thanked me for being so calm and patient with my daughter.

I thought nothing of it until on my way home, I thought about all that happened on our trip and it amazed me how well it turned out. So parents/parents to be and those watching children sometimes what it may take is a little patience.

Peace