ok i get it from all you parents - f me and my thoughts because i don't have children and children will act out and carry on and their really is nothing parents can do about it. there is no solution and im the ahole because your child is crying. i try to see the parents point of view and i understand your point of view to a point but can you at least acknowledge some of our points are valid and not act like our point of view is so foreign and 'ignorant' and 'ridiculous'? this is all i have to say on this because clearly whenever speaking to parents about children it strikes a nerve.
You seem to presume everyone posting not seeing your point of view is a parent. I'm not a parent. I understand children cry for many reasons and sometimes the parents can't soothe them or need to ignore them to not encourage the behaviour.
I just get on with my shopping ... while maybe feeling a little sorry for the parent who is probably more stressed by the crying then you are
agreed.
however, restaurants and movie theatres, another story entirely. :evil: :x
in THIS situation tho...holy shit! as much as i loathe when children scream, that is just sooo wrong. he was arrested and deservedly so. i wonder just what type of punishment will be served?
i wonder just what type of punishment will be served?
his punishment should be him being forced to read this forum for a week.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
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im a parent and all you need to do is get the kids attention, if words arent doing it a smack on the mouth wont do any harm, gets the eye contact you are after. there have been many times where i wanna treat others kids like mine, but i know i cant do that. and for the stranger to feel it is their place to step in is pretty hypocritical, like saying, dont bother me when no one was even paying attention to you.
If hearing a child crying in a Walmart is the worst thing that's happened to you all day...you're having a pretty damn good day. Get over it. And I mean...it's Walmart...is a crying child really the most disturbing thing you're gonna see?
"Will the parent's of the screaming child in aisle 5, please remove the 6 month old baby from the store. The Pearl Jam elitist's are trying to buy a 5th of Jack Daniels and some pretzels, and YOU are ruining their shopping experience"
Just proves how utterly naive some people are! Now I can understand like some others have said, if you have a screaming child at the movie theater, library, or even a restaurant, then remove them from the situation if they won't calm down. But Walmart? People actually want me to remove my crying child from Walmart because it's ruining their shopping experience?!?! I hope that whoever is saying such nonsense has a kid of their own one day who throws a tantrum (or is genuinely tired, hungry, thirsty, sick, etc) while they are shopping at the supermarket. Let me see you ditch an entire cart full of groceries and take your 2 year old outside to teach them a lesson, as if that would actually do any good! Pure genious!
im a parent and all you need to do is get the kids attention, if words arent doing it a smack on the mouth wont do any harm, gets the eye contact you are after. there have been many times where i wanna treat others kids like mine, but i know i cant do that. and for the stranger to feel it is their place to step in is pretty hypocritical, like saying, dont bother me when no one was even paying attention to you.
I know of many psychologists and counselors that would disagree with your "won't do any harm"' comment.
im a parent and all you need to do is get the kids attention, if words arent doing it a smack on the mouth wont do any harm, gets the eye contact you are after. there have been many times where i wanna treat others kids like mine, but i know i cant do that. and for the stranger to feel it is their place to step in is pretty hypocritical, like saying, dont bother me when no one was even paying attention to you.
I know of many psychologists and counselors that would disagree with your "won't do any harm"' comment.
yup. your reasoning (mrvedderson) is off. there is never any excuse or reason to "smack the child on the mouth". no matter how loud they scream. that statement is wrong on so many levels & i'm glad that you weren't my father.
What I found that's really amazing is that kids have all senses on all the time. I won't call it fright or flight, maybe just newness radar. Anyhoo, I was at a childcare and a kid was crying, whining, not happy, and I spoke softly to him, and he calmed down to my level. I'm not saying that could happen in all cases should the situation present itself to me again, but I was so happy that I could make that kid ok. I felt like a magician! I'm sure I treated myself to cake.
Yep, I'm not a parent. But joy is contagious, eh?
There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
In a perfect world, yeah, we could all shop/live in peace without the noise of crying children.
But come on- is it really that much of an inconvenience?
I don't have any kids, and I'll admit, I've been in public situations where there is some kid wailing like a banshee, and it is irritating. But I'm not going to get too worked up over it, and I'm certainly not going to even dream about hitting the kid. Geez.
"The dude abides. I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that. It's good knowin' he's out there. The Dude. Takin' her easy for all us sinners."
back in my day, my parents would give us a not-too-hard smack on the butt...and we turned out OK! they never smacked us in the mouth or anything like that, just on the butt--and we learned our lesson. Worse than that, however, was if you made Mom mad enough to cry...now THAT was the most awful punishment ever!!
"WAAAAWAAAA....Mommy I want to go home!! I hate shopping!!"
"WAAAAAWAAAA....I wish someone would shut that kid up! WAAAAAAA....my ears hurt!!"
Maybe your mom should have let you learn to deal with your emotions and frustrations when you were a kid instead of spoiling you by giving you exactly what you wanted. Perhaps the result would be a less self righteous adult.
"WAAAAWAAAA....Mommy I want to go home!! I hate shopping!!"
"WAAAAAWAAAA....I wish someone would shut that kid up! WAAAAAAA....my ears hurt!!"
Maybe your mom should have let you learn to deal with your emotions and frustrations when you were a kid instead of spoiling you by giving you exactly what you wanted. Perhaps the result would be a less self righteous adult.
Well said CG it is incredible how selfish some people can be!!!
Now if it was in a nice restaurant or a movie theatre I would be more inclined to remove my son from the situation but in a Wal Mart or grocery store pleeeease!!! :roll:
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"WAAAAWAAAA....Mommy I want to go home!! I hate shopping!!"
"WAAAAAWAAAA....I wish someone would shut that kid up! WAAAAAAA....my ears hurt!!"
Maybe your mom should have let you learn to deal with your emotions and frustrations when you were a kid instead of spoiling you by giving you exactly what you wanted. Perhaps the result would be a less self righteous adult.
Well said CG is is incredible how selfish some people can be!!!
Now if it was in a nice restaurant or a movie theatre I would be more inclined to remove my son from the situation but in a Wal Mart or grocery store pleeeease!!! :roll:
so your child acts out and you do nothing to or can't stop it and others are the selfish ones - love parental logic.
"WAAAAWAAAA....Mommy I want to go home!! I hate shopping!!"
"WAAAAAWAAAA....I wish someone would shut that kid up! WAAAAAAA....my ears hurt!!"
Maybe your mom should have let you learn to deal with your emotions and frustrations when you were a kid instead of spoiling you by giving you exactly what you wanted. Perhaps the result would be a less self righteous adult.
Well said CG is is incredible how selfish some people can be!!!
Now if it was in a nice restaurant or a movie theatre I would be more inclined to remove my son from the situation but in a Wal Mart or grocery store pleeeease!!! :roll:
so your child acts out and you do nothing to or can't stop it and others are the selfish ones - love parental logic.
Look obviously I'm going to try to minimize the inconvenience but if he won’t stop and we need to shop you will have to deal with it!
What should I do not feed my family because of the inconvenience to you??? .......Again who is being selfish here!!!
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There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
A couple of common themes in this thread, for sure...
Lack of empathy...
Concerned citizen syndrome....
pjhawks - karma's a bitch man...hope you're not flying anytime soon, lest you be surrounded by toddlers with ear problems....then you can demand that we remove the kids from the plane :roll: I'll be behind you, kicking your seat the whole flight
9 times out of 10, the parent is doing their best to get out of the situation without either perpetuating the behaviour, or having to risk doing it all again by abandoning what they're shopping for. well....maybe 6 times out of 10 at Wal Mart.
I've always tried to empathize with parents in these situations, even before I had kids. It is WAY easier to do once you've experienced it...and once you HAVE experienced it, you could kiss the people that give you a look that says "I have kids of my own, I understand"....and people like pjhawks, who give you a look that says, "shut that fucking brat up, I'm looking for a lowest price guarantee" are risking being unleashed upon with the full frustrated fury of a parent coping with an irrational, screaming child. One of these days I am going to get right in one of those peoples' faces and tell them to get fucked, and it will feel soooooo good.
Last week, I got into an argument at CVS with a 15 year old BOY...he had no manners, was so rude to an older woman, and had a filthy mouth...I'm twice his age and was disgusted with his behavior...I would have LOVED to smack him in the face...I wish his Mom was there to hear how well her kid was behaving...it doesn't matter if the "kid" is 2 years or 15 years old. Teaching good behavior and not letting your kid get away with everything or get what he wants all the time are important
A couple of common themes in this thread, for sure...
Lack of empathy...
Concerned citizen syndrome....
pjhawks - karma's a bitch man...hope you're not flying anytime soon, lest you be surrounded by toddlers with ear problems....then you can demand that we remove the kids from the plane :roll: I'll be behind you, kicking your seat the whole flight
9 times out of 10, the parent is doing their best to get out of the situation without either perpetuating the behaviour, or having to risk doing it all again by abandoning what they're shopping for. well....maybe 6 times out of 10 at Wal Mart.
I've always tried to empathize with parents in these situations, even before I had kids. It is WAY easier to do once you've experienced it...and once you HAVE experienced it, you could kiss the people that give you a look that says "I have kids of my own, I understand"....and people like pjhawks, who give you a look that says, "shut that fucking brat up, I'm looking for a lowest price guarantee" are risking being unleashed upon with the full frustrated fury of a parent coping with an irrational, screaming child. One of these days I am going to get right in one of those peoples' faces and tell them to get fucked, and it will feel soooooo good.
why am I being insulted here? at no point have I issued any insults to parents - i've simply stated the case of the people in the store without children and the perspective of non-parents and i've been labeled selfish (how not wanting to hear a child crying is selfish i dont know), ridiculous and other things. why does my opinion not count? the essential answer here from parents is there is nothing that can be done about it and somehow those of us who might be annoyed by a screaming pouting child, who is not our child, are somehow in the wrong. i just don't understand the parental logic of insulting others for not wanting to hear your child's misbehavior.
A couple of common themes in this thread, for sure...
Lack of empathy...
Concerned citizen syndrome....
pjhawks - karma's a bitch man...hope you're not flying anytime soon, lest you be surrounded by toddlers with ear problems....then you can demand that we remove the kids from the plane :roll: I'll be behind you, kicking your seat the whole flight
9 times out of 10, the parent is doing their best to get out of the situation without either perpetuating the behaviour, or having to risk doing it all again by abandoning what they're shopping for. well....maybe 6 times out of 10 at Wal Mart.
I've always tried to empathize with parents in these situations, even before I had kids. It is WAY easier to do once you've experienced it...and once you HAVE experienced it, you could kiss the people that give you a look that says "I have kids of my own, I understand"....and people like pjhawks, who give you a look that says, "shut that fucking brat up, I'm looking for a lowest price guarantee" are risking being unleashed upon with the full frustrated fury of a parent coping with an irrational, screaming child. One of these days I am going to get right in one of those peoples' faces and tell them to get fucked, and it will feel soooooo good.
why am I being insulted here? at no point have I issued any insults to parents - i've simply stated the case of the people in the store without children and the perspective of non-parents and i've been labeled selfish (how not wanting to hear a child crying is selfish i dont know), ridiculous and other things. why does my opinion not count? the essential answer here from parents is there is nothing that can be done about it and somehow those of us who might be annoyed by a screaming pouting child, who is not our child, are somehow in the wrong. i just don't understand the parental logic of insulting others for not wanting to hear your child's misbehavior.
The parents in this thread are not insulted when you are annoyed by our screaming children. Newsflash - We are more annoyed and stressed about it than you.
The insulting part (and I'm sure you are a good guy) is that you are essentially saying It's our fault as parents and we are not doing a good job.
why am I being insulted here? at no point have I issued any insults to parents - i've simply stated the case of the people in the store without children and the perspective of non-parents and i've been labeled selfish (how not wanting to hear a child crying is selfish i dont know), ridiculous and other things. why does my opinion not count? the essential answer here from parents is there is nothing that can be done about it and somehow those of us who might be annoyed by a screaming pouting child, who is not our child, are somehow in the wrong. i just don't understand the parental logic of insulting others for not wanting to hear your child's misbehavior.[/quote]
The parents in this thread are not insulted when you are annoyed by our screaming children. Newsflash - We are more annoyed and stressed about it than you.
The insulting part (and I'm sure you are a good guy) is that you are essentially saying It's our fault as parents and we are not doing a good job.[/quote]
I honestly don't think I ever said that or tried to insinuate that. If for some reason that is how I've come across than I understand people directing comments at me. I am just coming from the perspective that it can be annoying to us and don't make us out to be the bad guy because we are getting annoyed at it. I mean the guy above wants to kick me in the face for being annoyed at his child acting out - how is that acceptable?
I honestly don't think I ever said that or tried to insinuate that. If for some reason that is how I've come across than I understand people directing comments at me. I am just coming from the perspective that it can be annoying to us and don't make us out to be the bad guy because we are getting annoyed at it. I mean the guy above wants to kick me in the face for being annoyed at his child acting out - how is that acceptable?
By saying the following:
* "Don't come shopping"
* "Why should I have to deal with it"?
....it is insulting.
Feel free to be annoyed. But please try to understand that 90% of the parents in that situation are doing their very best.
The other 10% of parents who yell back or let their frustrations get the better of them could probably do a better job.
Bottom line my free wheeling-non parent-friend, is that parenting the little ones is a non stop adventure that has it's highs and lows. It pushes and challenges you 24 hours a day from the moment that kid is born. It is exhausting and exhilarating.
It is simply the best thing in the world, and I am sorry - you can never understand it until you have done it.
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agreed.
however, restaurants and movie theatres, another story entirely. :evil: :x
in THIS situation tho...holy shit! as much as i loathe when children scream, that is just sooo wrong. he was arrested and deservedly so. i wonder just what type of punishment will be served?
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
his punishment should be him being forced to read this forum for a week.
Only if you cover up that belly button
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I was thinking the sammmeeee thing!
Whatever you are, be a good one --Lincoln
so basically you are admitting then that you are a masochist?
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
aren't all of us?
Just proves how utterly naive some people are! Now I can understand like some others have said, if you have a screaming child at the movie theater, library, or even a restaurant, then remove them from the situation if they won't calm down. But Walmart? People actually want me to remove my crying child from Walmart because it's ruining their shopping experience?!?! I hope that whoever is saying such nonsense has a kid of their own one day who throws a tantrum (or is genuinely tired, hungry, thirsty, sick, etc) while they are shopping at the supermarket. Let me see you ditch an entire cart full of groceries and take your 2 year old outside to teach them a lesson, as if that would actually do any good! Pure genious!
I know of many psychologists and counselors that would disagree with your "won't do any harm"' comment.
yup. your reasoning (mrvedderson) is off. there is never any excuse or reason to "smack the child on the mouth". no matter how loud they scream. that statement is wrong on so many levels & i'm glad that you weren't my father.
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Yep, I'm not a parent. But joy is contagious, eh?
The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
But come on- is it really that much of an inconvenience?
I don't have any kids, and I'll admit, I've been in public situations where there is some kid wailing like a banshee, and it is irritating. But I'm not going to get too worked up over it, and I'm certainly not going to even dream about hitting the kid. Geez.
Whatever you are, be a good one --Lincoln
"WAAAAAWAAAA....I wish someone would shut that kid up! WAAAAAAA....my ears hurt!!"
Maybe your mom should have let you learn to deal with your emotions and frustrations when you were a kid instead of spoiling you by giving you exactly what you wanted. Perhaps the result would be a less self righteous adult.
Well said CG it is incredible how selfish some people can be!!!
Now if it was in a nice restaurant or a movie theatre I would be more inclined to remove my son from the situation but in a Wal Mart or grocery store pleeeease!!! :roll:
so your child acts out and you do nothing to or can't stop it and others are the selfish ones - love parental logic.
Where I'm not ugly and you're lookin' at me
I remember seeing that---so funny.
Where I'm not ugly and you're lookin' at me
Look obviously I'm going to try to minimize the inconvenience but if he won’t stop and we need to shop you will have to deal with it!
What should I do not feed my family because of the inconvenience to you??? .......Again who is being selfish here!!!
Terrible, terrible thing for someone to hit any child - especially someone else's child! :twisted:
I'm not even going to get started on those complaining about children crying in a grocery store :roll:
LOL!! That's funny.
The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
Lack of empathy...
Concerned citizen syndrome....
pjhawks - karma's a bitch man...hope you're not flying anytime soon, lest you be surrounded by toddlers with ear problems....then you can demand that we remove the kids from the plane :roll: I'll be behind you, kicking your seat the whole flight
9 times out of 10, the parent is doing their best to get out of the situation without either perpetuating the behaviour, or having to risk doing it all again by abandoning what they're shopping for. well....maybe 6 times out of 10 at Wal Mart.
I've always tried to empathize with parents in these situations, even before I had kids. It is WAY easier to do once you've experienced it...and once you HAVE experienced it, you could kiss the people that give you a look that says "I have kids of my own, I understand"....and people like pjhawks, who give you a look that says, "shut that fucking brat up, I'm looking for a lowest price guarantee" are risking being unleashed upon with the full frustrated fury of a parent coping with an irrational, screaming child. One of these days I am going to get right in one of those peoples' faces and tell them to get fucked, and it will feel soooooo good.
Whatever you are, be a good one --Lincoln
why am I being insulted here? at no point have I issued any insults to parents - i've simply stated the case of the people in the store without children and the perspective of non-parents and i've been labeled selfish (how not wanting to hear a child crying is selfish i dont know), ridiculous and other things. why does my opinion not count? the essential answer here from parents is there is nothing that can be done about it and somehow those of us who might be annoyed by a screaming pouting child, who is not our child, are somehow in the wrong. i just don't understand the parental logic of insulting others for not wanting to hear your child's misbehavior.
The insulting part (and I'm sure you are a good guy) is that you are essentially saying It's our fault as parents and we are not doing a good job.
why am I being insulted here? at no point have I issued any insults to parents - i've simply stated the case of the people in the store without children and the perspective of non-parents and i've been labeled selfish (how not wanting to hear a child crying is selfish i dont know), ridiculous and other things. why does my opinion not count? the essential answer here from parents is there is nothing that can be done about it and somehow those of us who might be annoyed by a screaming pouting child, who is not our child, are somehow in the wrong. i just don't understand the parental logic of insulting others for not wanting to hear your child's misbehavior.[/quote]
The parents in this thread are not insulted when you are annoyed by our screaming children. Newsflash - We are more annoyed and stressed about it than you.
The insulting part (and I'm sure you are a good guy) is that you are essentially saying It's our fault as parents and we are not doing a good job.[/quote]
I honestly don't think I ever said that or tried to insinuate that. If for some reason that is how I've come across than I understand people directing comments at me. I am just coming from the perspective that it can be annoying to us and don't make us out to be the bad guy because we are getting annoyed at it. I mean the guy above wants to kick me in the face for being annoyed at his child acting out - how is that acceptable?
By saying the following:
* "Don't come shopping"
* "Why should I have to deal with it"?
....it is insulting.
Feel free to be annoyed. But please try to understand that 90% of the parents in that situation are doing their very best.
The other 10% of parents who yell back or let their frustrations get the better of them could probably do a better job.
Bottom line my free wheeling-non parent-friend, is that parenting the little ones is a non stop adventure that has it's highs and lows. It pushes and challenges you 24 hours a day from the moment that kid is born. It is exhausting and exhilarating.
It is simply the best thing in the world, and I am sorry - you can never understand it until you have done it.