I think in some cases it is a necessity to clear up false accusations. It's not like your pin number for your ATM card. Nothing bad can come from spreading the knowledge of the last three digits.
I actually think I read an interview with Tim Bierman and he was like "I don't understand all this XXX stuff, why should ten club numbers be a secret." (that is a not an exact quote) I thought that was hysterical and true.
Actually, I heard a story at the Chicago show that someone had their number stolen. No lie! So I guess it is better to be on the safe side and refrain from posting your number everywhere.
I usually just write XXX cuz I can never remember the last three numbers!
I actually had to go find my last three digits to make that post. lol.
As for the theft issue, could you be more specific. What happened, how did it happen? Would love to know.
I think in some cases it is a necessity to clear up false accusations. It's not like your pin number for your ATM card. Nothing bad can come from spreading the knowledge of the last three digits.
I actually think I read an interview with Tim Bierman and he was like "I don't understand all this XXX stuff, why should ten club numbers be a secret." (that is a not an exact quote) I thought that was hysterical and true.
Actually, I heard a story at the Chicago show that someone had their number stolen. No lie! So I guess it is better to be on the safe side and refrain from posting your number everywhere.
I usually just write XXX cuz I can never remember the last three numbers!
I actually had to go find my last three digits to make that post. lol.
As for the theft issue, could you be more specific. What happened, how did it happen? Would love to know.
Oh I don't know the details, this woman just said that someone "hacked" her number and she called the ten club and they cleared it up. I'm not even sure how she found out it had been stolen. Maybe she's on here?
Not going to make any statement about how club seats are assigned. And to those of you that got good or decent seats great.
However, speaking objectively here, I'd like to make a few truthful statements. There are spots in the United Center that aren't good. I know this because I've been assigned the same ones the last two shows there.
Here is just my little observation sitting in the upper deck of section 332 right next to all the empty seats behind the stage that they don't put anyone in:
The show sounds muffled. Almost like you were listening to your favorite music and your mid-range or tweeter have blown out. You know the song and the rhythms and know you should like it but something ain't right. And then it becomes bothersome because you say to yourself wait I love this song but this don't sound right.
You can't see the big screen at all because you're looking at the end of the screen so there is really no visual entertainment. The crowd may be cheering for something on the big screen and you're going what what's going on. The acoustics up there are a bit like standing out in the hallway getting a beer and you're hearing a great concert going on inside but you're not quite inside.
Maybe the worst thing is....There's something bleak about sitting next to all those sections of empty seats behind the stage. Like sitting next to a graveyard. Just don't really feel like you're part of the crowd. Not a big wedding guy but you kinda feel like you got put at the kids table. Most of the people around me actually were sitting down in their seats instead of up jamming. That's hard to be around. And, after at first silently criticizing the people who were sitting down, about an hour in I had to catch myself from sitting down too. Hard to think I had to catch myself from sitting down.
I just don't think the music flows through you up there in the corner. You can see a lot of people in the stadium having a great fucking time. But without a frontal view of the stage or screen.... or good acoustics, you don't really feel like you're part of the show. And when you look just to your right and it's 20 sections of the empties it's like uggh. You kinda feel a little empty yourself. Like don't look that way. You say to yourself here I am 10 feet away from where they can't charge people to sit.
In fact, two people next to us left halfway. True.
The hard part is that I've received these darn near exact same seats the last two Pearl Jam shows at the United Center. You can harp back that I shouldn't complain, at least I was there. But unless you have been upper deck and section 330+s hearing and seeing a completely different show; twice; don't. And it ain't about no money. Or how I've been a TC member for x number of years and demand better. That crap's for someone else. Could care a less about that.
I'm just telling you it's a total different experience sitting up in the corner. It's like sitting on a couch when you were a little kid watching your friend play a video game. And he's really getting into it and you're kinda asking yourself, like don't they have a two player mode on this thing, or don't I get a turn here. It looks like it's probably a really fun game but you don't get to experience it.
If I was randomly assigned these seats again, for a third time, I'd probably be too disappointed (in a Charlie Brown way) to go in. Wouldn't sell em to anyone. Probably just give them as a gift to one of the kids outside hustling tickets and take a cab ride home.
Guess being outdoors is something special. At least at an outdoors show you know if you get a crappy spot it's your own fault for not getting up their earlier. And you got nobody to blame but yourself.
And Mother Nature and the heavens get to see the show too.
Or, give me three shows over a week at the Aragon. In fact, I'll pay double.
Just bad luck I guess. And not the end of the world. There. Got that off my chest.
I can't be the only one here who doesn't think it's correct for Santos to go around posting people's 10c number?
Then again, this message board (and its operation) has become the complete opposite of everything I thought this band stood for.
Flame away.....
I completely agree. I would expect management to be professional, not react with snide comments and on a power trip. Sorry, Santos, don't mean to be so blunt, but that's how you appear. Although I'll admit my number no problem (400xxx), I think you could be addressing this a bit better than playing the childish complainer's game.
ok. regardless of where his number is, there is a solution to all the bitching. it's called communication. people get mad about how the shows are announced, because as of late, they've been poorly communicated. last night's seating debacle, let people know ahead of time that 10c seats may not be the best. send an email, tweet, post on the boards, post on the website. people keep getting mad because of the lack of communication about things. that's all you have to do, and for the most part, people will be happy.
I agree with you %100. Its the NOT knowing, thats frustrating.
i am from Toronto and i made the trip to Chicago for both shows, the first night i was in 314 row 2, the seats weren't the worst but they were definitely not what i am used to getting from the 10C considering the show in Toronto on the Friday i was sitting 20 rows back, i was definitely pleased on Monday night when i got section 113 4th row on McCready's side. the feedback from the other 10C members around me on Sunday was that the season ticket holders got first crack at all the good seats and some of the floors were being sold through ticketmaster, i'm sure the 10C did their best for us, can't wait to see what i get in L.A. and the four Philly shows
"Ten Club tickets are for reserved seating and will be allocated by seniority. Seat locations will be reserved from the 1st row on the floor, extending back, and the side sections closest to the stage."
But who wouldn't?? Thinking "sections closest to the stage" would be in the 113 and 121 sections.
I apologize for the rant, but I had to contribute since it was my first experience using 10c for tix. I definitely won't next time. I'd rather pay more for better seats.
Thank You for finding, where the seats are SUPPOSE to be allocated. And NO, you didn't interpret that WRONG. NO where does it say sections near the ROOF? I too, would rather pay more for seats, then sit where some had to in Chicago.
I can't be the only one here who doesn't think it's correct for Santos to go around posting people's 10c number?
Then again, this message board (and its operation) has become the complete opposite of everything I thought this band stood for.
Flame away.....
Steve,
I have no desire to flame away, but I would be curious to know what is completely opposite. Just curious, cause I feel differently, and would like to be enlightened about your point of view.
As for the Ten Club numbers, I don't have a problem with them being posted. Mine is 184,621.
I think in some cases posting someones number is a necessity to clear up false accusations. It's not like Santos is giving out your pin number for your ATM card. Nothing bad can come from spreading the knowledge of the last three digits.
I actually think I read an interview with Tim Bierman and he was like "I don't understand all this XXX stuff, why should ten club numbers be a secret." (that is a not an exact quote) I thought that was hysterical and true.
It just seems kind of elitist to me. Someone makes a complaining post, SLH posts their number, and everyone laughs and giggles.
9/20/05 - Quebec City
9/22/05 - Halifax
6/19/08 - Camden
6/28/08 - Mansfield 9/07/11 - Montreal 5/05/16 - Quebec City
I can't be the only one here who doesn't think it's correct for Santos to go around posting people's 10c number?
Then again, this message board (and its operation) has become the complete opposite of everything I thought this band stood for.
Flame away.....
I completely agree. I would expect management to be professional, not react with snide comments and on a power trip. Sorry, Santos, don't mean to be so blunt, but that's how you appear. Although I'll admit my number no problem (400xxx), I think you could be addressing this a bit better than playing the childish complainer's game.
I agree with you in principle, but the problem is these people are telling half (or sometimes no) truths and using their imaginary 10C numbers to hype up an issue. If you're going to say, I'm 100xxx and I was sitting in the rafters, I don't think it's unfair if you get called out for that. You're a liar, what else is there to say? If you want to bring your issue to a public forum, when the only one that knows the real answer is SLH and the 10C crew then you have to expect to have your dirty laundry hung out on display.
It just seems kind of elitist to me. Someone makes a complaining post, SLH posts their number, and everyone laughs and giggles.
i dont see it that way.
it wasnt a legitmate claim of someone with a low number that got 300 level and was complaining if it was Im sure no one from the 10C would have jumped on the guy.
but the guy was bitching about crappy seats even though he has "such" a great number because he joined "so many" years ago, I think its only fair to clarify that was not the case, I dont think it was 10C's intention to ridicule the guy, but I think it was pretty shitty to claim you have a great # and 10C screwed you when its not true, dont you?
"Without the album covers, where do you clean your pot?" - EV
It just seems kind of elitist to me. Someone makes a complaining post, SLH posts their number, and everyone laughs and giggles.
i dont see it that way.
it wasnt a legitmate claim of someone with a low number that got 300 level and was complaining if it was Im sure no one from the 10C would have jumped on the guy.
but the guy was bitching about crappy seats even though he has "such" a great number because he joined "so many" years ago, I think its only fair to clarify that was not the case, I dont think it was 10C's intention to ridicule the guy, but I think it was pretty shitty to claim you have a great # and 10C screwed you when its not true, dont you?
Sure it's pretty shitty but I see tons of shitty stuff going on around here with far less complaints. ie. Vinyl and Poster scalping
9/20/05 - Quebec City
9/22/05 - Halifax
6/19/08 - Camden
6/28/08 - Mansfield 9/07/11 - Montreal 5/05/16 - Quebec City
It just seems kind of elitist to me. Someone makes a complaining post, SLH posts their number, and everyone laughs and giggles.
Sure, it's funny when people get caught not telling the truth and it's even better that they are stifling the false accusations towards the club and are setting the record straight. It is better to at least be upset about facts instead of getting a mob raging about falsities.
It just seems kind of elitist to me. Someone makes a complaining post, SLH posts their number, and everyone laughs and giggles.
Sure, it's funny when people get caught not telling the truth and it's even better that they are stifling the false accusations towards the club and are setting the record straight. It is better to at least be upset about facts instead of getting a mob raging about falsities.
Thats just it...
Anyone who truly doesnt believe that the 10club is trying their absolute best to get everyone the best seats possible....is just silly in my book...
And to come on here and just flat out lie about their 10club#'s and their seats.....Well anyone who does that deserves to be called out...
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Not going to make any statement about how club seats are assigned. And to those of you that got good or decent seats great.
However, speaking objectively here, I'd like to make a few truthful statements. There are spots in the United Center that aren't good. I know this because I've been assigned the same ones the last two shows there.
Here is just my little observation sitting in the upper deck of section 332 right next to all the empty seats behind the stage that they don't put anyone in:
The show sounds muffled. Almost like you were listening to your favorite music and your mid-range or tweeter have blown out. You know the song and the rhythms and know you should like it but something ain't right. And then it becomes bothersome because you say to yourself wait I love this song but this don't sound right.
You can't see the big screen at all because you're looking at the end of the screen so there is really no visual entertainment. The crowd may be cheering for something on the big screen and you're going what what's going on. The acoustics up there are a bit like standing out in the hallway getting a beer and you're hearing a great concert going on inside but you're not quite inside.
Maybe the worst thing is....There's something bleak about sitting next to all those sections of dark empty seats behind the stage. Like sitting next to a graveyard. Just don't really feel like you're part of the crowd because you're surrounded by emptiness. Most of the people around me actually were sitting down in their seats instead of up jamming. That's hard to be around. And, after at first silently criticizing the people who were sitting down, about an hour in I had to catch myself from sitting down too. Hard to think I had to catch myself from sitting down.
I just don't think the music flows through you up there in the corner. You can see a lot of people in the stadium having a great fucking time. But without a frontal view of the stage or screen.... or good acoustics, you don't really feel like you're part of the show. And when you look just to your right and it's 20 sections of the empties it's like uggh. You kinda feel a little empty yourself. Like don't look that way. You say to yourself here I am sitting 10 feet away from where they can't charge people to sit.
In fact, two people next to us left halfway. True.
The hard part is that I've received these darn near exact same seats the last two Pearl Jam shows at the United Center. You can harp back that I shouldn't complain, at least I was there. But unless you have been upper deck and section 330+s hearing and seeing a completely different show; twice; don't. And it ain't about no money. Or how I've been a TC member for x number of years and demand better. That crap's for someone else. Actually get sick of hearing anyone talk about how long they've been in the club. It's about the musica.
I'm just telling you it's a total different experience sitting up in the corner. It's like sitting on a couch when you were a little kid watching your friend play a video game. And he's really getting into it and you're kinda asking yourself, like don't they have a two player mode on this thing, or don't I get a turn here. It looks like it's probably a really fun game but you don't get to experience it.
If I was randomly assigned these seats again, for a third time, I'd probably be too disappointed (in a Charlie Brown way) to go in. Wouldn't sell em to anyone. Probably just give them as a give them to one of the kids outside hustling tickets so he could make a few bucks and take a cab ride home.
If PJ does another big show like this in the Chicago area I'd be up for Grant Park in late April/May. Radiohead did it to major success in 2001.
Guess being outdoors is something special. At least at an outdoors show you know if you get a crappy spot (actually there's not many) it's your own fault for not getting up there earlier. And you got nobody to blame but yourself.
I've read most of this thread.. and have this to add:
I can certainly understand everyone's dismay with having less than good seats at the show. I do not believe this was 10c's fault. As I read.. I notice that a lot of 10 clubbers were in the "nose bleeds". I don't think this was a co-incidence.
I've been to a lot of PJ shows... some with GREAT and I mean GREAT seats...
and some with not so good seats.
There is no denying... (and some of you may disagree) that having better seats makes the show better.
But let's not forget that honestly, any seat at a Pearl Jam concert is better than no seat at a Pearl Jam concert.
For those who want to leave the Ten Club to pursue better seats somewhere else... my advice:
PLEASE DO!
Go through TicketMaster and see if you're guaranteed seats (ANY SEATS) at a Pearl Jam concert. Especially a the first North American announced Pearl Jam concert in one of the most populated areas of the United States.
Cheers,
Toronto 2000
Buffalo, Phoenix, Toronto 2003
Boston I&II 2004
Kitchener, Hamilton, London, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto 2005
Toronto I&II, Las Vegas 2006
Chicago Lollapalooza 2007
Toronto, Seattle I&II, Vancouver, Philly I,II,III,IV 2009
Cleveland, Buffalo 2010
Toronto I&II 2011
Buffalo 2013 Toronto I&II 2016 10C: 220xxx
I can't be the only one here who doesn't think it's correct for Santos to go around posting people's 10c number?
Then again, this message board (and its operation) has become the complete opposite of everything I thought this band stood for.
Flame away.....
I completely agree. I would expect management to be professional, not react with snide comments and on a power trip. Sorry, Santos, don't mean to be so blunt, but that's how you appear. Although I'll admit my number no problem (400xxx), I think you could be addressing this a bit better than playing the childish complainer's game.
I agree with you in principle, but the problem is these people are telling half (or sometimes no) truths and using their imaginary 10C numbers to hype up an issue. If you're going to say, I'm 100xxx and I was sitting in the rafters, I don't think it's unfair if you get called out for that. You're a liar, what else is there to say? If you want to bring your issue to a public forum, when the only one that knows the real answer is SLH and the 10C crew then you have to expect to have your dirty laundry hung out on display.
He should not post people's numbers, but all of you people should not continue this arguement about one person's story. Your the one's feeding the fire. This thread could have died a long time ago and everybody would have just moved on
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I actually had to go find my last three digits to make that post. lol.
As for the theft issue, could you be more specific. What happened, how did it happen? Would love to know.
it's not a social security number
Um, no. I'm not going to Philly.
Oh I don't know the details, this woman just said that someone "hacked" her number and she called the ten club and they cleared it up. I'm not even sure how she found out it had been stolen. Maybe she's on here?
Are you responding to one of my posts? Without quoting me it's hard to tell?
However, speaking objectively here, I'd like to make a few truthful statements. There are spots in the United Center that aren't good. I know this because I've been assigned the same ones the last two shows there.
Here is just my little observation sitting in the upper deck of section 332 right next to all the empty seats behind the stage that they don't put anyone in:
The show sounds muffled. Almost like you were listening to your favorite music and your mid-range or tweeter have blown out. You know the song and the rhythms and know you should like it but something ain't right. And then it becomes bothersome because you say to yourself wait I love this song but this don't sound right.
You can't see the big screen at all because you're looking at the end of the screen so there is really no visual entertainment. The crowd may be cheering for something on the big screen and you're going what what's going on. The acoustics up there are a bit like standing out in the hallway getting a beer and you're hearing a great concert going on inside but you're not quite inside.
Maybe the worst thing is....There's something bleak about sitting next to all those sections of empty seats behind the stage. Like sitting next to a graveyard. Just don't really feel like you're part of the crowd. Not a big wedding guy but you kinda feel like you got put at the kids table. Most of the people around me actually were sitting down in their seats instead of up jamming. That's hard to be around. And, after at first silently criticizing the people who were sitting down, about an hour in I had to catch myself from sitting down too. Hard to think I had to catch myself from sitting down.
I just don't think the music flows through you up there in the corner. You can see a lot of people in the stadium having a great fucking time. But without a frontal view of the stage or screen.... or good acoustics, you don't really feel like you're part of the show. And when you look just to your right and it's 20 sections of the empties it's like uggh. You kinda feel a little empty yourself. Like don't look that way. You say to yourself here I am 10 feet away from where they can't charge people to sit.
In fact, two people next to us left halfway. True.
The hard part is that I've received these darn near exact same seats the last two Pearl Jam shows at the United Center. You can harp back that I shouldn't complain, at least I was there. But unless you have been upper deck and section 330+s hearing and seeing a completely different show; twice; don't. And it ain't about no money. Or how I've been a TC member for x number of years and demand better. That crap's for someone else. Could care a less about that.
I'm just telling you it's a total different experience sitting up in the corner. It's like sitting on a couch when you were a little kid watching your friend play a video game. And he's really getting into it and you're kinda asking yourself, like don't they have a two player mode on this thing, or don't I get a turn here. It looks like it's probably a really fun game but you don't get to experience it.
If I was randomly assigned these seats again, for a third time, I'd probably be too disappointed (in a Charlie Brown way) to go in. Wouldn't sell em to anyone. Probably just give them as a gift to one of the kids outside hustling tickets and take a cab ride home.
Guess being outdoors is something special. At least at an outdoors show you know if you get a crappy spot it's your own fault for not getting up their earlier. And you got nobody to blame but yourself.
And Mother Nature and the heavens get to see the show too.
Or, give me three shows over a week at the Aragon. In fact, I'll pay double.
Just bad luck I guess. And not the end of the world. There. Got that off my chest.
See ya in Austin.
I completely agree. I would expect management to be professional, not react with snide comments and on a power trip. Sorry, Santos, don't mean to be so blunt, but that's how you appear. Although I'll admit my number no problem (400xxx), I think you could be addressing this a bit better than playing the childish complainer's game.
I agree with you %100. Its the NOT knowing, thats frustrating.
Thank You for finding, where the seats are SUPPOSE to be allocated. And NO, you didn't interpret that WRONG. NO where does it say sections near the ROOF? I too, would rather pay more for seats, then sit where some had to in Chicago.
I agree. How can anyone steal a 10C number and why would they steal it? What can you do with someone else's 10C number anyways? :?
It just seems kind of elitist to me. Someone makes a complaining post, SLH posts their number, and everyone laughs and giggles.
9/22/05 - Halifax
6/19/08 - Camden
6/28/08 - Mansfield
9/07/11 - Montreal
5/05/16 - Quebec City
People list their first and last name on touringfan? :shock:
ignore the troll
i dont see it that way.
it wasnt a legitmate claim of someone with a low number that got 300 level and was complaining if it was Im sure no one from the 10C would have jumped on the guy.
but the guy was bitching about crappy seats even though he has "such" a great number because he joined "so many" years ago, I think its only fair to clarify that was not the case, I dont think it was 10C's intention to ridicule the guy, but I think it was pretty shitty to claim you have a great # and 10C screwed you when its not true, dont you?
Sure it's pretty shitty but I see tons of shitty stuff going on around here with far less complaints. ie. Vinyl and Poster scalping
9/22/05 - Halifax
6/19/08 - Camden
6/28/08 - Mansfield
9/07/11 - Montreal
5/05/16 - Quebec City
agreed
Anyone who truly doesnt believe that the 10club is trying their absolute best to get everyone the best seats possible....is just silly in my book...
And to come on here and just flat out lie about their 10club#'s and their seats.....Well anyone who does that deserves to be called out...
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Not going to make any statement about how club seats are assigned. And to those of you that got good or decent seats great.
However, speaking objectively here, I'd like to make a few truthful statements. There are spots in the United Center that aren't good. I know this because I've been assigned the same ones the last two shows there.
Here is just my little observation sitting in the upper deck of section 332 right next to all the empty seats behind the stage that they don't put anyone in:
The show sounds muffled. Almost like you were listening to your favorite music and your mid-range or tweeter have blown out. You know the song and the rhythms and know you should like it but something ain't right. And then it becomes bothersome because you say to yourself wait I love this song but this don't sound right.
You can't see the big screen at all because you're looking at the end of the screen so there is really no visual entertainment. The crowd may be cheering for something on the big screen and you're going what what's going on. The acoustics up there are a bit like standing out in the hallway getting a beer and you're hearing a great concert going on inside but you're not quite inside.
Maybe the worst thing is....There's something bleak about sitting next to all those sections of dark empty seats behind the stage. Like sitting next to a graveyard. Just don't really feel like you're part of the crowd because you're surrounded by emptiness. Most of the people around me actually were sitting down in their seats instead of up jamming. That's hard to be around. And, after at first silently criticizing the people who were sitting down, about an hour in I had to catch myself from sitting down too. Hard to think I had to catch myself from sitting down.
I just don't think the music flows through you up there in the corner. You can see a lot of people in the stadium having a great fucking time. But without a frontal view of the stage or screen.... or good acoustics, you don't really feel like you're part of the show. And when you look just to your right and it's 20 sections of the empties it's like uggh. You kinda feel a little empty yourself. Like don't look that way. You say to yourself here I am sitting 10 feet away from where they can't charge people to sit.
In fact, two people next to us left halfway. True.
The hard part is that I've received these darn near exact same seats the last two Pearl Jam shows at the United Center. You can harp back that I shouldn't complain, at least I was there. But unless you have been upper deck and section 330+s hearing and seeing a completely different show; twice; don't. And it ain't about no money. Or how I've been a TC member for x number of years and demand better. That crap's for someone else. Actually get sick of hearing anyone talk about how long they've been in the club. It's about the musica.
I'm just telling you it's a total different experience sitting up in the corner. It's like sitting on a couch when you were a little kid watching your friend play a video game. And he's really getting into it and you're kinda asking yourself, like don't they have a two player mode on this thing, or don't I get a turn here. It looks like it's probably a really fun game but you don't get to experience it.
If I was randomly assigned these seats again, for a third time, I'd probably be too disappointed (in a Charlie Brown way) to go in. Wouldn't sell em to anyone. Probably just give them as a give them to one of the kids outside hustling tickets so he could make a few bucks and take a cab ride home.
If PJ does another big show like this in the Chicago area I'd be up for Grant Park in late April/May. Radiohead did it to major success in 2001.
Guess being outdoors is something special. At least at an outdoors show you know if you get a crappy spot (actually there's not many) it's your own fault for not getting up there earlier. And you got nobody to blame but yourself.
I've read most of this thread.. and have this to add:
I can certainly understand everyone's dismay with having less than good seats at the show. I do not believe this was 10c's fault. As I read.. I notice that a lot of 10 clubbers were in the "nose bleeds". I don't think this was a co-incidence.
I've been to a lot of PJ shows... some with GREAT and I mean GREAT seats...
and some with not so good seats.
There is no denying... (and some of you may disagree) that having better seats makes the show better.
But let's not forget that honestly, any seat at a Pearl Jam concert is better than no seat at a Pearl Jam concert.
For those who want to leave the Ten Club to pursue better seats somewhere else... my advice:
PLEASE DO!
Go through TicketMaster and see if you're guaranteed seats (ANY SEATS) at a Pearl Jam concert. Especially a the first North American announced Pearl Jam concert in one of the most populated areas of the United States.
Cheers,
Buffalo, Phoenix, Toronto 2003
Boston I&II 2004
Kitchener, Hamilton, London, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto 2005
Toronto I&II, Las Vegas 2006
Chicago Lollapalooza 2007
Toronto, Seattle I&II, Vancouver, Philly I,II,III,IV 2009
Cleveland, Buffalo 2010
Toronto I&II 2011
Buffalo 2013
Toronto I&II 2016
10C: 220xxx
He should not post people's numbers, but all of you people should not continue this arguement about one person's story. Your the one's feeding the fire. This thread could have died a long time ago and everybody would have just moved on