He should not post people's numbers, but all of you people should not continue this arguement about one person's story. Your the one's feeding the fire. This thread could have died a long time ago and everybody would have just moved on
So why did you just bump it back up?
...got a mind full of questions and a teacher in my soul...
He should not post people's numbers, but all of you people should not continue this arguement about one person's story. Your the one's feeding the fire. This thread could have died a long time ago and everybody would have just moved on
So why did you just bump it back up?
To hopefully put a end to it once and for all (I know, this will make it bump up again, but hopefully people realize if they do not continue to reply, this will all just go away and everybody can move on to looking forward to the next show or new cd).
I was in section 319 that night. it was still a good sounding show but i got no idea what it looked like. my seats for night 2 were 'light years' better.
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i am from Toronto and i made the trip to Chicago for both shows, the first night i was in 314 row 2, the seats weren't the worst but they were definitely not what i am used to getting from the 10C considering the show in Toronto on the Friday i was sitting 20 rows back, i was definitely pleased on Monday night when i got section 113 4th row on McCready's side. the feedback from the other 10C members around me on Sunday was that the season ticket holders got first crack at all the good seats and some of the floors were being sold through ticketmaster, i'm sure the 10C did their best for us, can't wait to see what i get in L.A. and the four Philly shows
Ok, so you got sec 314 night 1, and section 113 night 2
My membership number 161XXX, got section 113 night 1 and section 233 night 2...
It doesn't makes sense. I wish Santos would chime in on this type of situation with some 10C membership numbers...hell, I'd just like some sort of an answer as to how this can make any sense...that's all
I've read most of this thread.. and have this to add:
I can certainly understand everyone's dismay with having less than good seats at the show. I do not believe this was 10c's fault. As I read.. I notice that a lot of 10 clubbers were in the "nose bleeds". I don't think this was a co-incidence.
I've been to a lot of PJ shows... some with GREAT and I mean GREAT seats...
and some with not so good seats.
There is no denying... (and some of you may disagree) that having better seats makes the show better.
But let's not forget that honestly, any seat at a Pearl Jam concert is better than no seat at a Pearl Jam concert.
For those who want to leave the Ten Club to pursue better seats somewhere else... my advice:
PLEASE DO!
Go through TicketMaster and see if you're guaranteed seats (ANY SEATS) at a Pearl Jam concert. Especially a the first North American announced Pearl Jam concert in one of the most populated areas of the United States.
Cheers,
agreed....I was "disappointed" with sec 307 but knowing that this was the first US tour date announced and the place was packed with 10c members I certainly understand the problem.
There really isn't anything we can expect 10c to do regarding this....it isn't likely to happen again and if it does we've learned to expect it
it isn't a perfect system but it probably works best for them and it seems to work very well for everyone else under normal circumstances....I'm willing to take a hit every now and then for PJ (being member # 427xxx)
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i am from Toronto and i made the trip to Chicago for both shows, the first night i was in 314 row 2, the seats weren't the worst but they were definitely not what i am used to getting from the 10C considering the show in Toronto on the Friday i was sitting 20 rows back, i was definitely pleased on Monday night when i got section 113 4th row on McCready's side. the feedback from the other 10C members around me on Sunday was that the season ticket holders got first crack at all the good seats and some of the floors were being sold through ticketmaster, i'm sure the 10C did their best for us, can't wait to see what i get in L.A. and the four Philly shows
Ok, so you got sec 314 night 1, and section 113 night 2
My membership number 161XXX, got section 113 night 1 and section 233 night 2...
It doesn't makes sense. I wish Santos would chime in on this type of situation with some 10C membership numbers...hell, I'd just like some sort of an answer as to how this can make any sense...that's all
Yep. And I'm curious to know if section 114 (basically behind the stage) is really considered a better seat than one in section 113. Personally, I think not. And I've seen people with higher numbers than ours saying that they had that section (113) on Monday night. We were super close to the stage, yes, but as someone else mentioned in an earlier post, when you're the last section before the curtain (and we were on the aisle with no one to the left of us - just empty seats and a curtain), you feel completely disconnected from the show. And, IMO, the sound definitely suffers in that area of an arena.
Though, cincy, your situation seems much more questionable than mine. I know that everyone in our section had a similar 10C number to us. I'm just finding it difficult to believe that that section is considered better than one where you can actually see the stage and hear the music the way it's meant to be heard.
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i am from Toronto and i made the trip to Chicago for both shows, the first night i was in 314 row 2, the seats weren't the worst but they were definitely not what i am used to getting from the 10C considering the show in Toronto on the Friday i was sitting 20 rows back, i was definitely pleased on Monday night when i got section 113 4th row on McCready's side. the feedback from the other 10C members around me on Sunday was that the season ticket holders got first crack at all the good seats and some of the floors were being sold through ticketmaster, i'm sure the 10C did their best for us, can't wait to see what i get in L.A. and the four Philly shows
Ok, so you got sec 314 night 1, and section 113 night 2
My membership number 161XXX, got section 113 night 1 and section 233 night 2...
It doesn't makes sense. I wish Santos would chime in on this type of situation with some 10C membership numbers...hell, I'd just like some sort of an answer as to how this can make any sense...that's all
Yep. And I'm curious to know if section 114 (basically behind the stage) is really considered a better seat than one in section 113. Personally, I think not. And I've seen people with higher numbers than ours saying that they had that section (113) on Monday night. We were super close to the stage, yes, but as someone else mentioned in an earlier post, when you're the last section before the curtain (and we were on the aisle with no one to the left of us - just empty seats and a curtain), you feel completely disconnected from the show. And, IMO, the sound definitely suffers in that area of an arena.
Though, cincy, your situation seems much more questionable than mine. I know that everyone in our section had a similar 10C number to us. I'm just finding it difficult to believe that that section is considered better than one where you can actually see the stage and hear the music the way it's meant to be heard.
Good point. I was surprised when I saw that 114 was given out to lower numbers than 113 and 112. I guess it might be hard to tell before the show if that section isn't going to be better?
As for the Chicago night 2 people that got 200 level when the night before they were 100 level. That is very strange. Here is another wild guess.... perhaps 10 club was making sure all the return ten club members who had 300 level seats were put in level 100, and that bumped some of the people who should have been level 100 to level 200.
For the people that say to stop bumping this thread. I enjoy this discussion. I don't like that it gets heated once and a while, but with so little information about how many members are in the club, and with very little information about where your number puts you in the arena, this thread really allows us to discover some things. Sure it might not be accurate, but I personally try and understand what happened so I can better predict future events that I might attend.
i have never seen so many people care so damn much about where there seats are, the science behind it, etc., etc., and on and on. passing this whole thing off as some sort of intellectual debate or whatever is really just glorifying a giagantic thread about complaining about 10c.
i have never seen so many people care so damn much about where there seats are, the science behind it, etc., etc., and on and on. passing this whole thing off as some sort of intellectual debate or whatever is really just glorifying a giagantic thread about complaining about 10c.
Well people do care. That should be obvious by the fact that it is discussed every tour, and there is an entire site touringfans.net dedicated to figuring it out.
Don't think anyone would refer to it as an intellectual debate (although perhaps this qualifies in Western Australia?)
I also don't think anything has been glorified. Some people were/are complaining, some are telling those people to shut it, and some are just weighing in on the situation.
Kind of exactly what message boards are for. If you don't like this thread, just ignore it. I don't quite understand why someone would actively try and tell people what they should and shouldn't discuss. Just move along if you don't like it.
bottom line is that if you have been in the club longer, you get better seats.
And that's exactly the point I'm making in my post above. Our number is lower than what I've seen others post and we were in a far less desirable section (IMO) than they were. I'm simply curious to know if a section practically behind the stage is really considered a better seat than someone who was sitting a section over (with a higher number) who had a complete view of the stage and better sound.
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i have never seen so many people care so damn much about where there seats are, the science behind it, etc., etc., and on and on. passing this whole thing off as some sort of intellectual debate or whatever is really just glorifying a giagantic thread about complaining about 10c.
Sure some of this thread is complaining...and some of it is asking some legit questions...and I think it'd be nice to have some answers to those questions, that's all. I'd chalk it up to 10C being too busy, but it seems they have time to chime in when someone is lying about their 10C number.
[Good point. I was surprised when I saw that 114 was given out to lower numbers than 113 and 112. I guess it might be hard to tell before the show if that section isn't going to be better?
As for the Chicago night 2 people that got 200 level when the night before they were 100 level. That is very strange. Here is another wild guess.... perhaps 10 club was making sure all the return ten club members who had 300 level seats were put in level 100, and that bumped some of the people who should have been level 100 to level 200.
For the people that say to stop bumping this thread. I enjoy this discussion. I don't like that it gets heated once and a while, but with so little information about how many members are in the club, and with very little information about where your number puts you in the arena, this thread really allows us to discover some things. Sure it might not be accurate, but I personally try and understand what happened so I can better predict future events that I might attend.
Hell, if that's the reason, ok. Just say so. It would go against the ticketing policy when the tickets were purchased, but it would at least answer the question.
I recently renewed my 10 Club after letting it lapse for two years- it was orig. in the 300's and now it's in the 400's....I live in Vancouver, BC and when PJ was offering 10C tix on here I just skipped it 'cus I knew my seats woud blow...I bought a pair on the general onsale on ticketbastard and pulled some sweet plaza's in Sec.105 next to the stage for the GM Place show here...unless I fly to a show in Croatia or someplace exotic like that, I don't suppose I'll ever be able to expect good tix and that's cool...I'm happy putting myself in charge of figuring where I wanna sit...of course, winningthe 10c lottery would be cool....
Croatia, & other most other shows in Europe are GA for the floor. Most times 10c ticket holders are let in 15 minutes before everyone else. Doesn't matter what your 10c # is, if you get there early your near the front rail!
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the two MSG shows in 2003 were reportedly the biggest 10C turn out ever? did these chicago shows surpass that? i am curious to see what the spread of 10C tickets were back at MSG in '03 compared to chicago.
i just dont remember there being a lot of noise from 10C members after the MSG shows about getting crappy seats.
the two MSG shows in 2003 were reportedly the biggest 10C turn out ever? did these chicago shows surpass that? i am curious to see what the spread of 10C tickets were back at MSG in '03 compared to chicago.
i just dont remember there being a lot of noise from 10C members after the MSG shows about getting crappy seats.
touring fans says roughly 8,000 tickets were sold but if they are going by order #'s and most orders probably contained 2 tix then I would guess much higher than that...not sure if my logic makes sense but there you go
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the two MSG shows in 2003 were reportedly the biggest 10C turn out ever? did these chicago shows surpass that? i am curious to see what the spread of 10C tickets were back at MSG in '03 compared to chicago.
i just dont remember there being a lot of noise from 10C members after the MSG shows about getting crappy seats.
touring fans says roughly 8,000 tickets were sold but if they are going by order #'s and most orders probably contained 2 tix then I would guess much higher than that...not sure if my logic makes sense but there you go
8,000 orders would mean 4,000 tickets. MSG night one had 3,000 and i think the second night had 5,000. so if they were in the same ball park, you wonder why chicago wasn't as smooth as MSG for 10C members.
but whatever, i am only bring it up out of curiousity. i am the type of fan that is just happy to walk through the front door. a crap seat won't ruin my night or experience.
the two MSG shows in 2003 were reportedly the biggest 10C turn out ever? did these chicago shows surpass that? i am curious to see what the spread of 10C tickets were back at MSG in '03 compared to chicago.
i just dont remember there being a lot of noise from 10C members after the MSG shows about getting crappy seats.
touring fans says roughly 8,000 tickets were sold but if they are going by order #'s and most orders probably contained 2 tix then I would guess much higher than that...not sure if my logic makes sense but there you go
8,000 orders would mean 4,000 tickets. MSG night one had 3,000 and i think the second night had 5,000. so if they were in the same ball park, you wonder why chicago wasn't as smooth as MSG for 10C members.
but whatever, i am only bring it up out of curiousity. i am the type of fan that is just happy to walk through the front door. a crap seat won't ruin my night or experience.
You may want to check your math - 8,000 orders x 2 tix per = 16,000 tix, not 4,000. I don' tknow if they sold that many or not, just correcting the math
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the two MSG shows in 2003 were reportedly the biggest 10C turn out ever? did these chicago shows surpass that? i am curious to see what the spread of 10C tickets were back at MSG in '03 compared to chicago.
i just dont remember there being a lot of noise from 10C members after the MSG shows about getting crappy seats.
touring fans says roughly 8,000 tickets were sold but if they are going by order #'s and most orders probably contained 2 tix then I would guess much higher than that...not sure if my logic makes sense but there you go
8,000 orders would mean 4,000 tickets. MSG night one had 3,000 and i think the second night had 5,000. so if they were in the same ball park, you wonder why chicago wasn't as smooth as MSG for 10C members.
but whatever, i am only bring it up out of curiousity. i am the type of fan that is just happy to walk through the front door. a crap seat won't ruin my night or experience.
Wouldn't 8000 orders = 16,000 tickets, or is it just my fuzzy math?
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I know it sucks to go see the band you love and get stuck with shitty seats, but you gotta realize there are more important things. I won't bore this board with a littany of my hardships this past year, but if the worst thing to happen to me was I had nose bleeds for a Pearl Jam concert I would consider it a pretty good year.
lol, i knew i should have never chimed in on this thread.
it's friday 3:00, my brain clocked out a few hours ago
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don't sweat it.
Chicago is a city of millions and we love our Pearl Jam! This was our first show in over three years! The United Center is a great venue... funny enough... the owners are going to pimp-out the 300 level! LOL- flat screens everywhere along with multiple beer vendors and restaraunts.
Centrally located and an awesome city. The Sears Center is something to look at next time around. They dont' do Ticketmaster.
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So why did you just bump it back up?
To hopefully put a end to it once and for all (I know, this will make it bump up again, but hopefully people realize if they do not continue to reply, this will all just go away and everybody can move on to looking forward to the next show or new cd).
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Ok, so you got sec 314 night 1, and section 113 night 2
My membership number 161XXX, got section 113 night 1 and section 233 night 2...
It doesn't makes sense. I wish Santos would chime in on this type of situation with some 10C membership numbers...hell, I'd just like some sort of an answer as to how this can make any sense...that's all
agreed....I was "disappointed" with sec 307 but knowing that this was the first US tour date announced and the place was packed with 10c members I certainly understand the problem.
There really isn't anything we can expect 10c to do regarding this....it isn't likely to happen again and if it does we've learned to expect it
it isn't a perfect system but it probably works best for them and it seems to work very well for everyone else under normal circumstances....I'm willing to take a hit every now and then for PJ (being member # 427xxx)
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Yep. And I'm curious to know if section 114 (basically behind the stage) is really considered a better seat than one in section 113. Personally, I think not. And I've seen people with higher numbers than ours saying that they had that section (113) on Monday night. We were super close to the stage, yes, but as someone else mentioned in an earlier post, when you're the last section before the curtain (and we were on the aisle with no one to the left of us - just empty seats and a curtain), you feel completely disconnected from the show. And, IMO, the sound definitely suffers in that area of an arena.
Though, cincy, your situation seems much more questionable than mine. I know that everyone in our section had a similar 10C number to us. I'm just finding it difficult to believe that that section is considered better than one where you can actually see the stage and hear the music the way it's meant to be heard.
Good point. I was surprised when I saw that 114 was given out to lower numbers than 113 and 112. I guess it might be hard to tell before the show if that section isn't going to be better?
As for the Chicago night 2 people that got 200 level when the night before they were 100 level. That is very strange. Here is another wild guess.... perhaps 10 club was making sure all the return ten club members who had 300 level seats were put in level 100, and that bumped some of the people who should have been level 100 to level 200.
For the people that say to stop bumping this thread. I enjoy this discussion. I don't like that it gets heated once and a while, but with so little information about how many members are in the club, and with very little information about where your number puts you in the arena, this thread really allows us to discover some things. Sure it might not be accurate, but I personally try and understand what happened so I can better predict future events that I might attend.
Well people do care. That should be obvious by the fact that it is discussed every tour, and there is an entire site touringfans.net dedicated to figuring it out.
Don't think anyone would refer to it as an intellectual debate (although perhaps this qualifies in Western Australia?)
I also don't think anything has been glorified. Some people were/are complaining, some are telling those people to shut it, and some are just weighing in on the situation.
Kind of exactly what message boards are for. If you don't like this thread, just ignore it. I don't quite understand why someone would actively try and tell people what they should and shouldn't discuss. Just move along if you don't like it.
And that's exactly the point I'm making in my post above. Our number is lower than what I've seen others post and we were in a far less desirable section (IMO) than they were. I'm simply curious to know if a section practically behind the stage is really considered a better seat than someone who was sitting a section over (with a higher number) who had a complete view of the stage and better sound.
Sure some of this thread is complaining...and some of it is asking some legit questions...and I think it'd be nice to have some answers to those questions, that's all. I'd chalk it up to 10C being too busy, but it seems they have time to chime in when someone is lying about their 10C number.
Hell, if that's the reason, ok. Just say so. It would go against the ticketing policy when the tickets were purchased, but it would at least answer the question.
Eh, recently done both, and I'd way rather the former. And talk about it.
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the two MSG shows in 2003 were reportedly the biggest 10C turn out ever? did these chicago shows surpass that? i am curious to see what the spread of 10C tickets were back at MSG in '03 compared to chicago.
i just dont remember there being a lot of noise from 10C members after the MSG shows about getting crappy seats.
touring fans says roughly 8,000 tickets were sold but if they are going by order #'s and most orders probably contained 2 tix then I would guess much higher than that...not sure if my logic makes sense but there you go
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8,000 orders would mean 4,000 tickets. MSG night one had 3,000 and i think the second night had 5,000. so if they were in the same ball park, you wonder why chicago wasn't as smooth as MSG for 10C members.
but whatever, i am only bring it up out of curiousity. i am the type of fan that is just happy to walk through the front door. a crap seat won't ruin my night or experience.
You may want to check your math - 8,000 orders x 2 tix per = 16,000 tix, not 4,000. I don' tknow if they sold that many or not, just correcting the math
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Wouldn't 8000 orders = 16,000 tickets, or is it just my fuzzy math?
it's friday 3:00, my brain clocked out a few hours ago
(i work in finance too
and we still hadda wait till 08 for eds
"lets go rangers " chants,
& the mess/leetchie numbers debacle.
shame shame , eddie.
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don't sweat it.
Chicago is a city of millions and we love our Pearl Jam! This was our first show in over three years! The United Center is a great venue... funny enough... the owners are going to pimp-out the 300 level! LOL- flat screens everywhere along with multiple beer vendors and restaraunts.
Centrally located and an awesome city. The Sears Center is something to look at next time around. They dont' do Ticketmaster.
Amen to that...