10 club members get the nose bleeds 08/23/09

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  • I've been a fan of PJ for years, but just joined 10c in March '09. It seemed like the best of the fan clubs out there. With a member #of 428xxx. I was happy to get to see the show, even though it was in section 310. It was probably one of the best concerts that I ever seen.

    From a fans' perspective, I say just blame the fan club seat selection process on Ticketmaster.
    Let's say you play devils advocate, from TM's point of view, why would TM fill up the United center with 5000 fan club members closest to the stage, when they can make a ton of $$$ selling to (i'm guessing) corporations, sponsors, etc. Does TM get any kick backs from any other ticket brokers????
    not saying it's fair for a fan. it is a business, and TM is there to make $$$.

    I was a U2 fan club member since the early 80's. In the beginning, U2 had a small independent company taking care of their fan club members. I always had awesome seats....until....Ticketmaster took over. my u2 member #2xx had to be reassigned when TM took over, and my first concert via TM also put me in section 310 at the united center. and now with soldier field in a few weeks, i'll have the worst nose bleed in section 4-something....but at least i got tickets???hhmmmm. i blame the TM monopoly.

    10c is still only $20. best bang for your buck. my other fanclub bumped up to $50 after greedy TM got involved.
  • Scott36Scott36 Posts: 109
    I wish Santos would just clarify if 10/31/09 is going to be the same situation as Chicago. I'm really crossing my fingers that won't be the case, but I'd like to know now.
  • My number is 179XXX and I had section 122 (2 sections from stage Stone's side) Sunday and 113 Monday (first section from stage Mike's side). These were terrific seats. I am sorry to hear that some 10C members were in the upper level, as it is very high up in the United Center and I can understand their frustration. However, I think these shows had many, many Ten Club orders and that Chicago is a PJ stronghold. I have been around the 10C for over a decade now and I trust that they are always trying to do right by everyone in the club, and aren't out to screw anybody or happy when some of the ticket allotments are lackluster. I also noted that club level in the United Center is small and that these tickets probably were off limits to the 10C and designated for companies owning luxury boxes, which hurt the odds of all club members getting floor or lower level seast.

    I have been occasionally disappointed or surprised by seat locations (though never have I been in the upper level . . . in 2005 at the George though I was at the end of the 10C section behind people with 300XXX numbers). Anyway, sorry to those who were disappointed and hope you have better luck next time -- this is a seniority-based club for the most part when it comes to ticketing, and there are a lot of us who love Pearl Jam and see them on tour whenever we can . . . only so much 10C can do.
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  • covered in blisscovered in bliss chi-caw-go Posts: 1,332
    Scott36 wrote:
    I wish Santos would just clarify if 10/31/09 is going to be the same situation as Chicago. I'm really crossing my fingers that won't be the case, but I'd like to know now.

    was the "situation" in chicago -that- horrible.

    Oh. my. god. if. I. have. seats. like. chicago. I'm. not. going.
  • ZodZod Posts: 10,769
    My number is 179XXX and I had section 122 (2 sections from stage Stone's side) Sunday and 113 Monday (first section from stage Mike's side). These were terrific seats. I am sorry to hear that some 10C members were in the upper level, as it is very high up in the United Center and I can understand their frustration. However, I think these shows had many, many Ten Club orders and that Chicago is a PJ stronghold. I have been around the 10C for over a decade now and I trust that they are always trying to do right by everyone in the club, and aren't out to screw anybody or happy when some of the ticket allotments are lackluster. I also noted that club level in the United Center is small and that these tickets probably were off limits to the 10C and designated for companies owning luxury boxes, which hurt the odds of all club members getting floor or lower level seast.

    I have been occasionally disappointed or surprised by seat locations (though never have I been in the upper level . . . in 2005 at the George though I was at the end of the 10C section behind people with 300XXX numbers). Anyway, sorry to those who were disappointed and hope you have better luck next time -- this is a seniority-based club for the most part when it comes to ticketing, and there are a lot of us who love Pearl Jam and see them on tour whenever we can . . . only so much 10C can do.

    That odd my number is 164xxx and there were some younger fans in my area who had used a brand new membership and couldn't figure out how they ended up so close? I think I was around row 12 dead centre at gorge 05 (gorge 05 had limited tickets though which made seat quality better than usual).
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  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    Scott36 wrote:
    I wish Santos would just clarify if 10/31/09 is going to be the same situation as Chicago. I'm really crossing my fingers that won't be the case, but I'd like to know now.
    if you have a 10c# of 350,xxx or higher expect to be in the nosebleeds for any of the philly shows. these are the only northeast shows and the 10c has alota tickets for this. thankfully the sound and seats at the spectrum wont be bad if you're in the nosebleeds. thats what the locals on here have said bout the spectrum.
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  • Scott36Scott36 Posts: 109
    metsfan wrote:
    Scott36 wrote:
    I wish Santos would just clarify if 10/31/09 is going to be the same situation as Chicago. I'm really crossing my fingers that won't be the case, but I'd like to know now.
    if you have a 10c# of 350,xxx or higher expect to be in the nosebleeds for any of the philly shows. these are the only northeast shows and the 10c has alota tickets for this. thankfully the sound and seats at the spectrum wont be bad if you're in the nosebleeds. thats what the locals on here have said bout the spectrum.

    Yeah, I guess I'm fucked. My member number is two months old, LOL. I really thought the 10C tickets were always better than what went to the general public sale. I figured the warning simply meant tickets would extend further around the 200-level bowl (into sections like 209-213), instead of being strictly floor and side stage 200-level sections. I would be okay with a good pair near the front of a side-stage 300-section, but if it's up in the 400s, I'm really going to be pissed. For 10/30/09 I went with the general sale so that I can sell my tickets if I have a work issue come up that would keep me from being able to leave for Philly by noon or so on Friday. I got a 200-level pair. I absolutely would have gone this route again for 10/31 if the Chicago debacle had happened before the Philly ticket on-sale. I'm REALLY hoping the 10C gets back to their reputation of giving their fans the best tickets like everyone said they do!
  • Scott36Scott36 Posts: 109
    Scott36 wrote:
    I wish Santos would just clarify if 10/31/09 is going to be the same situation as Chicago. I'm really crossing my fingers that won't be the case, but I'd like to know now.

    was the "situation" in chicago -that- horrible.

    Oh. my. god. if. I. have. seats. like. chicago. I'm. not. going.

    I wish people would quit being so damn thick skulled. There's just no point in paying $80+/seat for a ticket up in the 400s. If I'm going through the 10C and not even being given the seat locations until the day of the show, I'd like to think they would be good seats. I'm not expecting anything exceptional. Just something 200-level. I don't think that's being unreasonable given that people here claim all the time about how good the 10C tickets always are. If I wanted 400-level tickets, I would buy them below face the week of the show.
  • RiverrunnerRiverrunner Posts: 2,419
    Scott36 wrote:
    Scott36 wrote:
    I wish Santos would just clarify if 10/31/09 is going to be the same situation as Chicago. I'm really crossing my fingers that won't be the case, but I'd like to know now.

    was the "situation" in chicago -that- horrible.

    Oh. my. god. if. I. have. seats. like. chicago. I'm. not. going.

    I wish people would quit being so damn thick skulled. There's just no point in paying $80+/seat for a ticket up in the 400s. If I'm going through the 10C and not even being given the seat locations until the day of the show, I'd like to think they would be good seats. I'm not expecting anything exceptional. Just something 200-level. I don't think that's being unreasonable given that people here claim all the time about how good the 10C tickets always are. If I wanted 400-level tickets, I would buy them below face the week of the show.

    Well said. I think that is the point a lot of people are trying to make. I could have gotten better seat the week before the show or the day of. But I didn't find out that we were stuck in section 318 until noon. Luckily I managed to upgrade and sell mine, but my poor husband got stuck up in the nosebleed section. I asked the 10c member from whom I agreed to buy tickets back in June in Memphis to confirm that her number was in the 1xx,xxx as she told me then. She checked it yesterday and said it was low 2xx,xxx. If she is telling the truth, and Touring Band website is accurate she got ripped off. 2xx,xxx should have been in better sections. She said that when she picked up her tickets they were not in an envelope. The clerk just handed them to her.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,412
    I think it is more likely that her 10c # is more like 400xxx
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  • RiverrunnerRiverrunner Posts: 2,419
    I think it is more likely that her 10c # is more like 400xxx

    I have been skeptical which is why I haven't been too critical of 10c, but I also prefer to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. She is close to 40 years old so it makes since that she has been around for a while, but you never know. I am just going to keep my mouth shut since I really don't have first hand facts. I should have done that in the first place. And also so people don't get the wrong idea about the seller of the tickets: she has a friend who is in 10c with a low number. The friend's husband didn't go so she went with her friend, thus she had her two tickets for sale.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,412
    so far all of the biggest complainers who stated they had 200xxx but were in the third tier were exposed as being 400xxx members because they let their membership lapse

    I am in the same boat....I joined several years ago but had to rejoin in Jan09 after letting mine go

    touringfans.net does not show anything out of the ordinary
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  • metsfan wrote:
    Scott36 wrote:
    I wish Santos would just clarify if 10/31/09 is going to be the same situation as Chicago. I'm really crossing my fingers that won't be the case, but I'd like to know now.
    if you have a 10c# of 350,xxx or higher expect to be in the nosebleeds for any of the philly shows. these are the only northeast shows and the 10c has alota tickets for this. thankfully the sound and seats at the spectrum wont be bad if you're in the nosebleeds. thats what the locals on here have said bout the spectrum.


    My number is 430,xxx. I'll wait to pick up my tickets before expecting to be in the nosebleeds. :D Yes, for the 31st in Philly higher numbers will be in the upper levels. Touringfans.net is reporting almost 6,000 10c tickets were sold but for the other 3 shows I think the most was 1,600. Those numbers can and probably will change in the next 2 months. For those with high numbers it seems more beneficial to go to shows that less 10c members are going too. Who knows, just my observations. I'm just glad to be seeing them at the Spectrum vs. Camden. Has been 20 years since I last saw them indoors.
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  • Beachman44Beachman44 Swedesboro, NJ Posts: 176
    I don't really see a problem here.
    At 1st I was starting to think something went wrong, but after looking at touringfans.net, I see that 10C may have gotten more then the normal allotment of tickets. If you look, the seats keep getting higher with higher 10C #s. That is normal. Granted the higher numbers where higher in the place, but that may have been the deal the 10C made to get MORE 10C Tickets! Only thing that I see wrong is that the 10C didn't say they got more tickets for everyone. But it was a surprise maybe. Really people relax. You saw a great show. You didn't pay all the TM fees. You know it is a draw on where you sit when you get 10C seats, if you don't like it, don't buy them.
    I have a low number and have had seats on the side, which I think sucked. But I also have had GREAT seats. I take the good with the bad.
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  • At this point, if your Fan Club number isn't 125XXX or lower, don't have expectations that you'll get "amazing" seats.
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  • Thorns2010Thorns2010 Posts: 2,201
    One thing that has been bothering ever since the show. I was 30th row on the floor. Not great for taking pictures, but decent enough to see the band, and see what was going on. The guy sitting next to me, when he got to his seat goes 'Man, these seats suck'

    I was in SHOCK when he said that. And I hope he has seen how some people got 300 level, that he appreciates what he DID have, and not be so bitchy about it.

    The other thing that is interesting to me was back in the '06 tour I had better seats. I guess that's what I get when I go to the only US tour date on a 2 city tour. hehehe :mrgreen:
  • LauriLauri Posts: 748
    Thorns2010 wrote:
    One thing that has been bothering ever since the show. I was 30th row on the floor. Not great for taking pictures, but decent enough to see the band, and see what was going on. The guy sitting next to me, when he got to his seat goes 'Man, these seats suck'

    I was in SHOCK when he said that. And I hope he has seen how some people got 300 level, that he appreciates what he DID have, and not be so bitchy about it.

    The other thing that is interesting to me was back in the '06 tour I had better seats. I guess that's what I get when I go to the only US tour date on a 2 city tour. hehehe :mrgreen:

    I have mixed feelings about being back on the floor because sometimes it feels like you're in a hole (as a short woman, it's not just that you can't see band, it just feels weird being able to see nothing but someone's back). But, I'd never say the floor sucks cuz that's where all the energy is.
  • moozeekfanmoozeekfan Posts: 195
    At this point, if your Fan Club number isn't 125XXX or lower, don't have expectations that you'll get "amazing" seats.

    Depends on the city. I got 2nd row in St. Paul for the Riot Act tour with a 134xxx number.
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  • BigHub74BigHub74 Posts: 92
    Nobody should have better seats then a 10c member period. Forget what the disclaimer says, it does not excuse 10c for giving people shitty seats. It is all about the # of ticket sales 10c, ticketmaster, or whomever else. They don't care about where your seats are, just that you buy tickets period. Because 9/10 times nobody would have bought 300 level seats had they known beforehand. That is why the only people who were sitting in those seats were 10c members. No one else would have bought them. That is why most big acts are signing contracts with Livenation.
  • Any idea how many 10c tickets were sold for Seattle night 2? My number is pretty bad (420,000 ish) - I'll be happy to sit anywhere, but it would be nice not to be in the worst possible seat in Key Arena.
  • logan5ivelogan5ive Dallas, TX Posts: 500
    moozeekfan wrote:
    At this point, if your Fan Club number isn't 125XXX or lower, don't have expectations that you'll get "amazing" seats.

    Depends on the city. I got 2nd row in St. Paul for the Riot Act tour with a 134xxx number.
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    Any idea how many 10c tickets were sold for Seattle night 2? My number is pretty bad (420,000 ish) - I'll be happy to sit anywhere, but it would be nice not to be in the worst possible seat in Key Arena.
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  • genevievegenevieve Posts: 1,203
    This might not have much to do with the entire argument but it got me thinking.
    (And yes I have read the whole thread)
    Wouldnt it be nice if bands (not just PJ) could let fans know what areas they are working on getting shows for?
    I see that this year PJ has been announcing only a couple shows at a time. So when people see that there is a show they will have to travel to, then they buy tix in fear of not getting a show closer. That is the exact reason Im spending airfare and hotel costs to go see PJ in Vancouver. I have no clue whether they will announce some more canadian dates. All the last announcement said was more dates in the "west".

    So people are scrambling to buy tix to shows too far away and the seats are not so good.
    I know other bands dont seem to announce where they are looking to tour in the next year.
    But on the other hand there are other bands that will do interviews and say that they are planning on touring in such and such a country at such and such a time. Why cant PJ and others do the same so we dont end up spending waaay too much money and taking up seats that others would have appreciated?
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  • SL169704SL169704 Posts: 31


    You're kidding, right? I would have killed for that seat.

    About 15 seconds into that video, look at the seats all the way up top in the upper left corner of the screen. Those were 10C seats up there....that is where I was.
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  • logan5ive wrote:
    moozeekfan wrote:
    At this point, if your Fan Club number isn't 125XXX or lower, don't have expectations that you'll get "amazing" seats.

    Depends on the city. I got 2nd row in St. Paul for the Riot Act tour with a 134xxx number.
    The 2003 tour was unique in that the earlier you lined up for 10C tix the better seats you got within your block.

    But still, even if I had gotten there late, i wouldn't have been sitting back farther than the 10th row most likely, which is still "amazing." ;)
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    The Sears Center is something to look at next time around. They dont' do Ticketmaster.

    Amen to that...

    Hah. And where do you plan to sit the nearly 12,000 people that will be left out each night?

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  • Wilds wrote:
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    Ten Club numbers 000,001-133,XXX got sections 1,2, and 3 aside from the lottery winners.
    Ten Club numbers 133,XXX-165,XXX got 113, 114, 120, and 121
    Ten Club numbers 165,XXX-184,XXX got 112, 122
    Ten Club numbers 184,XXX-212,XXX got Floor 4,5, and 6
    Ten Club numbers 212,XXX-259,XXX got 111, 101
    Ten Club numbers 259,XXX-295,XXX got 102, 103, 109, 110
    Ten Club numbers 295,XXX-310,XXX got 104-108 (there is a gap here, so I assumed this to be true)

    The above seats seems to be the normal (Ten Club, fight to the death to get the best seats in the house) type of Fan Club seats. After 310,XXX the seats got quite a bit worse.

    In fact there seems to be only 4 sections in the 200 level that Ten club members got, and they are towards the side of the arena.

    Ten Club numbers 310,XXX-335,XXX got 201,202, 216, 217
    (These are club level seats I think, and obviously the Ten Club didn't get many of these)

    Then comes the upper deck nightmare. There seems to be little rhyme or reason to the distribution.

    People with Ten club numbers from 335,XXX to 437,XXX got these sections in this order:

    331, 319, 333, 334, 308, 317, 334, 303, 314, 311, 310, 309 and 302.

    Most of these seats seemed to be in the 1st five rows.

    So aside from the 100 level seats directly behind the stage, it seems as if Ten Club got ALL of the floor. ALL of the rest of the 100's, almost no 200's, and very random 300's.

    Of course other people could be mixed into the floor, or 100 level seats, but I would guess we took over this arena in a big way.

    The best the overflow ten clubbers from 335,XXX on could have hoped for were 200 level seats, but Ten Club had none.

    I'll repeat one last thing from an earlier post. The only thing that should have been different about what went down, would have been for the Ten Club to post far in advance that some people with very high numbers will not get 100 level, or even 200 level seats. I think that would have solved everything.

    My guess as to why that happened is this:

    Ten Club negotiated all those amazing Ten Club seats. Let's say it was 6000 of the best seats in the house. BUT they said they will take every single ten club order that comes in and if the number of people attending goes over 6000 seats they will just take what is available.

    Perhaps they were surprised when they sold an additional 2000 seats and then had to make a compromise about where to put those people. They didn't have time to warn them, cause they didn't anticipate 4000 pairs being sold.

    Now that the orders were in hand, they choose to wait until the upper deck shit storm hit, rather than deal with people trying to get refunds.

    Just a guess. Could be totally wrong.

    You can add Section 318 to your list. Some guy took a poll and everyone in that section was 10c. My husband sat 3 rows from the very top.

    I was also in 318 very last row. Made the trip from Toronto. Would be lying if I said I was disappointed but hey...it is what it is/was. Great show nontheless.
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  • ZodZod Posts: 10,769
    That one guy mentioned he got row 30. I'm also skeptical about sitting at the back of the floor. I'm fairly tall and I had row 22 once and I had a hard time seeing the stage (this was in seattle 02 i think). I spent most of the concert trying to look around all the heads in front of me to even see the stage (maybe I just had people of same height in front of me).

    I looked at the chart, If I'd gone to that show I'd of been in section 122. Similar to where I was at seattle 2000 where there was alooooot of fan tickets sold.
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