Show Announcement Method: It is what it is

Veddernarian

norm wrote:

of course 10c forwards complaints and ideas that come up here...and of course it should be discussed here...but a lot of people seems to assume that be lodging their complaint here (usually in a very entitled tone) that the band will immediately change the way they do things...honestly, if i were in the band or part of it's management and read some of the comments by "fans", i'd close the fan club and tell us all to fuck off...it is bizarre as to why they put together their tours...no one is disputing that....but at this point and on, people should factor this in and decide before they purchase tickets if they really want to travel to see the band or wait and hope a show closer to them come up...i did in 08...i thought they'd announce some shows on the west coast after the east coast gigs...they didn't and life went on...now i'll see them 5 times locally...i didn't buy toronto or chicago or philly tix...i waited and was rewarded...if they didn't play here, then i might have traveled...life is made of choices

Some examples of items debated in this forum where 10c made a change. Here is what I remember, there is probably more:

2000- the desire to have 10c tickets to more than 1 show, 2003- 10c tickets to all except rollover shows
2003- displeasure of block ticket assignments, you had to arrive early to get a better seat in your block, result was specific seat assignments
2003- high 10c numbers were in the rear of the floor and couldn't see, result in later tours was up the side seating for higher 10c numbers
Discussion about being stuck with a particular 10c number and being doomed to the seating relative to others for life based on that number, result is random row 1 and 2, and 9 and 10 seat assignments for high 10c number people.

I'm sure there is more. I think many can reflect back at massive discussion threads like this one on the aforementioned topics. I remember these. 10c does listen. I don't think they can do everything to accommodate everybody. I think their hearts are in the right place and they try to improve things to the extent practicable. That's what I appreciate the most.

decides2dream

norm wrote:

of course 10c forwards complaints and ideas that come up here...and of course it should be discussed here...but a lot of people seems to assume that be lodging their complaint here (usually in a very entitled tone) that the band will immediately change the way they do things...honestly, if i were in the band or part of it's management and read some of the comments by "fans", i'd close the fan club and tell us all to fuck off...it is bizarre as to why they put together their tours...no one is disputing that....but at this point and on, people should factor this in and decide before they purchase tickets if they really want to travel to see the band or wait and hope a show closer to them come up...i did in 08...i thought they'd announce some shows on the west coast after the east coast gigs...they didn't and life went on...now i'll see them 5 times locally...i didn't buy toronto or chicago or philly tix...i waited and was rewarded...if they didn't play here, then i might have traveled...life is made of choices

of course.
however, i think it merely is a matter of focus. i think a LOT more people discuss this, and other topics, respectfully....then those who do so with a sense of entitlement/arrogance. that is all. and yes, the obvious....this IS a discussion board, for pearl jam, so it all simply makes sense to discuss pearl jam here. :P

i do agree...at times when things really go off here, one can only cringe. haha. but then again, pj/10c have been at this game a good long while, so i suppose they are used to it, and sure, still see the benefits of this place, the fan club, etc....far outweigh the negatives.

absolutely, i only travel when i want to travel, tho i will admit, i'd not have gone to philly if any NYC shows were around but sure...my choice, and close enough. however, that said...i still far prefer that they'd announce all shows at once simply b/c i think it's the nice thing to do. i am the first to admit pj/10c is gonna do what they are gonna do, and rightfully so....but still, i'll always share my pov. and you bet, i sure as shit wish they'd announce hawaii.

veddernarian wrote:

I'm sure there is more. I think many can reflect back at massive discussion threads like this one on the aforementioned topics. I remember these. 10c does listen. I don't think they can do everything to accommodate everybody. I think their hearts are in the right place and they try to improve things to the extent practicable. That's what I appreciate the most.

...yes exactly. add wristbands for posters, now the presales for posters, bootlegs availalbe in CD, mp3 and flac formats....all generated by discussions.....here. that was my point a couple of posts in this thread. it IS good to discuss here.

pjhawks

i can't believe people are complaining about 10C holding off on the Philly announcements - do you people realize that 10C secured more tickets FOR 10C MEMBERS to these 2 new shows. Clearly a reasonable person can assume that the delay in these 2 shows was for 10C to negotiate for these extra tickets after gauging interest in the shows and interest from the general public. Waiting on these 2 shows was a very positive thing for 10C Members. As a local who got shut out of tickets for the 30th I am very grateful for 10C securing more tickets to these 2 shows. Again a good thing.

also I don't think anyone says you shouldn't be allowed to voice opinions and complaints - the problem seems to be in many of these threads is the tone of the complaints. you don't need to act like a petulant child to get your point across. you can lodge complaints in a reasonable adult manner and i think people would respond in a much healthier fashion.

iwasthere

ComeToTX wrote:

iwasthere wrote:

ComeToTX wrote:

we didn't want you here anyway! why would you come to an amazing festival for one band?

I'm not sure rhere is such a thing as an "amazing festival".

how about a good festival in an amazing town? you off to europe? i'm doing LA4 after acl.

As a OU fan I don't know if I can give Austin TX the amazing status either!

I leave day after tomorrow! Woo Hoo! Can't wait. Doing Chicago as soon as I get back.

SolarWorld

Veddernarian wrote:

Some examples of items debated in this forum where 10c made a change. Here is what I remember, there is probably more:

2000- the desire to have 10c tickets to more than 1 show, 2003- 10c tickets to all except rollover shows
2003- displeasure of block ticket assignments, you had to arrive early to get a better seat in your block, result was specific seat assignments
2003- high 10c numbers were in the rear of the floor and couldn't see, result in later tours was up the side seating for higher 10c numbers
Discussion about being stuck with a particular 10c number and being doomed to the seating relative to others for life based on that number, result is random row 1 and 2, and 9 and 10 seat assignments for high 10c number people.

I'm sure there is more. I think many can reflect back at massive discussion threads like this one on the aforementioned topics. I remember these. 10c does listen. I don't think they can do everything to accommodate everybody. I think their hearts are in the right place and they try to improve things to the extent practicable. That's what I appreciate the most.

The Ten Club does not plan Pearl Jam's tours. They cannot make any decision on how shows are announced since they don't make the deals. When tour time comes around Curtis Management plans the tour. I hope you are all sending Kelly letters and not the Ten Club.

All those things you mentioned that were changed were things that the Ten Club has some sort of control of. Which is how they choose to distribute their allotted tickets, they have no control over how and when show deals are made. Its like calling the police to put out our fire.

The Ten Club deals with retail Pearl Jam, selling us trinkets and providing us with tickets. The big deals are done elsewhere. Like the Target deal? Also tours are big deals. Big deals also don't tend to take a small, VERY vocal, minority into account when making these deals. It's about maximizing ticket sales, not making the tour convenient for a handful of people.

supersonicyears

quote="cincybearcat"][quote="TheBeach"
I'm glad their doing it like this. Not all of us are independently wealthy and can purchase the tickets all at once. If they announce the shows a little at at time it gives you a chance to come up with the money.
I'm glad one more whiner will be giving up his membership. I hope your number is low. [/quote
[/quote[/quote


Aren't you whining about having to purchase tickets all at once? Yep, I think you are whiner. You should give up your membership too.[/quote


I'm not whining about the method which they chose to sell the tickets. It's their band their choice. I'm glad about the method they have chosen .
Little boy. does your mommy buy all your tickets, make and pay for all your travel arrangements for you????
Come into the real world where everone doesn't have a never ending supply of cash. Maybe when you give up your tenclub membership you Mommy can buy you a fan club membership to the Jonas Brothers. I bet they announce their tour all at once and Mommy will be able to buy the tickets and travel all at once.

supersonicyears

benjs wrote:

TheBeach wrote:

pjtaper wrote:

SO ANNOYING!!!!
Announce a tour like a normal band, wtf? This is AWFUL! I need to sell my Austin City Limit ticket now...
Anyone book a flight to Philly before they announced these shows?
After this year, I may not renew my membership, and I highly doubt I'll bother seeing my favorite band anymore, it's just too frustrating!

I'm just glad they still aren't hitting the south!

I'm glad their doing it like this. Not all of us are independently wealthy and can purchase the tickets all at once. If they announce the shows a little at at time it gives you a chance to come up with the money.
I'm glad one more whiner will be giving up his membership. I hope your number is low.

I don't mean to pick a fight here, but wouldn't you find it obnoxious if someone made that exact statement towards you? This "don't like this? Don't renew your membership" crap is pretty petty in my opinion.

Uh... If you actually read what he stated "After this year, I may not renew my membership, and I highly doubt I'll bother seeing my favorite band anymore, it's just too frustrating!" You would understand why I said that.

cincybearcat

TheBeach wrote:

quote="cincybearcat"][quote="TheBeach"
I'm glad their doing it like this. Not all of us are independently wealthy and can purchase the tickets all at once. If they announce the shows a little at at time it gives you a chance to come up with the money.
I'm glad one more whiner will be giving up his membership. I hope your number is low. [/quote
[/quote[/quote


Aren't you whining about having to purchase tickets all at once? Yep, I think you are whiner. You should give up your membership too.[/quote


I'm not whining about the method which they chose to sell the tickets. It's their band their choice. I'm glad about the method they have chosen .
Little boy. does your mommy buy all your tickets, make and pay for all your travel arrangements for you????
Come into the real world where everone doesn't have a never ending supply of cash. Maybe when you give up your tenclub membership you Mommy can buy you a fan club membership to the Jonas Brothers. I bet they announce their tour all at once and Mommy will be able to buy the tickets and travel all at once.

Oh..looky the resorting to the Mommy post...nice. You are an ass.

Veddernarian

SolarWorld wrote:

Veddernarian wrote:

Some examples of items debated in this forum where 10c made a change. Here is what I remember, there is probably more:

2000- the desire to have 10c tickets to more than 1 show, 2003- 10c tickets to all except rollover shows
2003- displeasure of block ticket assignments, you had to arrive early to get a better seat in your block, result was specific seat assignments
2003- high 10c numbers were in the rear of the floor and couldn't see, result in later tours was up the side seating for higher 10c numbers
Discussion about being stuck with a particular 10c number and being doomed to the seating relative to others for life based on that number, result is random row 1 and 2, and 9 and 10 seat assignments for high 10c number people.

I'm sure there is more. I think many can reflect back at massive discussion threads like this one on the aforementioned topics. I remember these. 10c does listen. I don't think they can do everything to accommodate everybody. I think their hearts are in the right place and they try to improve things to the extent practicable. That's what I appreciate the most.

The Ten Club does not plan Pearl Jam's tours. They cannot make any decision on how shows are announced since they don't make the deals. When tour time comes around Curtis Management plans the tour. I hope you are all sending Kelly letters and not the Ten Club.

All those things you mentioned that were changed were things that the Ten Club has some sort of control of. Which is how they choose to distribute their allotted tickets, they have no control over how and when show deals are made. Its like calling the police to put out our fire.

The Ten Club deals with retail Pearl Jam, selling us trinkets and providing us with tickets. The big deals are done elsewhere. Like the Target deal? Also tours are big deals. Big deals also don't tend to take a small, VERY vocal, minority into account when making these deals. It's about maximizing ticket sales, not making the tour convenient for a handful of people.

I appreciate what you're saying but I think there is more integration between 10c and Curtis Management. I remember Tim getting pretty active in the forum in 2003, saying things about MSG 2003. With the mail-in cards, there was concern whether there would be enough 10c seats for all who applied. I remember Tim (Rubysdad) getting in here and updating us. Saying things like (paraphrase) "I think we have gotten all 10c demand for MSG taken care of but the seats may not be the greatest". He also chimed in on the seating in blocks, etc. I'll bet you 10c is pretty much integrated with the band's business. I think, I guess, where there is little or no integration is in the talent side. What the players do or play or whatever.

Mrs.Vedder78

SolarWorld wrote:

The Ten Club does not plan Pearl Jam's tours. They cannot make any decision on how shows are announced since they don't make the deals. When tour time comes around Curtis Management plans the tour. I hope you are all sending Kelly letters and not the Ten Club.

I dont think many grasp that concept though. :?

Mrs.Vedder78

Veddernarian wrote:

I appreciate what you're saying but I think there is more integration between 10c and Curtis Management. I remember Tim getting pretty active in the forum in 2003, saying things about MSG 2003. With the mail-in cards, there was concern whether there would be enough 10c seats for all who applied. I remember Tim (Rubysdad) getting in here and updating us. Saying things like (paraphrase) "I think we have gotten all 10c demand for MSG taken care of but the seats may not be the greatest". He also chimed in on the seating in blocks, etc. I'll bet you 10c is pretty much integrated with the band's business. I think, I guess, where there is little or no integration is in the talent side. What the players do or play or whatever.

Yeah but that doest necessarily mean they have a say on how things are done, Im sure the 10C guys read the board and see the suggestions and the nonsense and they pass it on, I don’t think 10C decides how the tour is announced.

As far as the tkts I think the decision is made by more people than just the 10C guys I think more heads sit down and try to figure out the best way to do things though it is impossible to please everyone. Just plain impossible.

Just now, they have 4 shows in Philly and people are bitching because the 2 that they are going to are not the first or last and they got a “raw deal” if it was only 1 show people would be bitching about them not having a rollover so that more people have the chance to get tkts and see the band at least one night, there is always going to be a bunch of people that are not happy and do not like the way things are done.

Veddernarian

Mrs.Vedder78 wrote:

Yeah but that doest necessarily mean they have a say on how things are done, Im sure the 10C guys read the board and see the suggestions and the nonsense and they pass it on, I don’t think 10C decides how the tour is announced.

Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm trying to say. I think 10c has input like a seat at the table, not the head of the table, but I think they do provide input. I would think this forum is the main source for fan-based input.

Mrs.Vedder78

Veddernarian wrote:

Mrs.Vedder78 wrote:

Yeah but that doest necessarily mean they have a say on how things are done, Im sure the 10C guys read the board and see the suggestions and the nonsense and they pass it on, I don’t think 10C decides how the tour is announced.

Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm trying to say. I think 10c has input like a seat at the table, not the head of the table, but I think they do provide input. I would think this forum is the main source for fan-based input.

I don’t think 10C has any say on how the tour is announced though.

bootlegger10

Mrs.Vedder78 wrote:

Veddernarian wrote:

Mrs.Vedder78 wrote:

Yeah but that doest necessarily mean they have a say on how things are done, Im sure the 10C guys read the board and see the suggestions and the nonsense and they pass it on, I don’t think 10C decides how the tour is announced.

Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm trying to say. I think 10c has input like a seat at the table, not the head of the table, but I think they do provide input. I would think this forum is the main source for fan-based input.

I don’t think 10C has any say on how the tour is announced though.

I would agree. The face of the band to fans, though, is the Ten Club. Thus, the Ten Club is where we go to with praise or criticism. If anyone knows of a message board that Kelly Curtis runs, please let us know.

covered in bliss

http://www.manta.com/company/mmsdj03


Curtis Management
1423 34th Ave
Seattle, WA 98122-3300

Phone: (206) 329-4200

There y'all go. Put your money where your mouth is and contact the person in charge.

bootlegger10

covered in bliss wrote:

http://www.manta.com/company/mmsdj03


Curtis Management
1423 34th Ave
Seattle, WA 98122-3300

Phone: (206) 329-4200

There y'all go. Put your money where your mouth is and contact the person in charge.

Is there a message board where fans can discuss? Nope. Do the Ten Club message board comments get to the people they need to? Yep. Is there a need to email Kat or Kelly Curtis personally? Nope.

covered in bliss

bootlegger10 wrote:

Do the Ten Club message board comments get to the people they need to? Yep. Is there a need to email Kat or Kelly Curtis personally? Nope.

I'm sure 10C is in touch with Curtis Management but I'm not going to ASSUME that every complaint is communicated. For all I know, mr. Curtis said "i don't want to hear another fucking thing about concert announcements" so 10C doesn't mention it to him.

If you feel strongly about the subject, call or write Curtis Management. Posting here isn't enough. It's old and annoying.

I forgot that this is 2009 and communicating without the internet is sooooo 1980. Some of you would probably be too scared to complain over the phone.

bootlegger10

covered in bliss wrote:

bootlegger10 wrote:

Do the Ten Club message board comments get to the people they need to? Yep. Is there a need to email Kat or Kelly Curtis personally? Nope.

I'm sure 10C is in touch with Curtis Management but I'm not going to ASSUME that every complaint is communicated. For all I know, mr. Curtis said "i don't want to hear another fucking thing about concert announcements" so 10C doesn't mention it to him.

If you feel strongly about the subject, call or write Curtis Management. Posting here isn't enough. It's old and annoying.

I forgot that this is 2009 and communicating without the internet is sooooo 1980. Some of you would probably be too scared to complain over the phone.

This is a message board. This is why they created message boards. So we can talk about the band, concerts, etc.. (good or bad). You don't have to open the thread. The very fact that people are posting on the message board and not calling Curtis Management is that they aren't "crazy" like some of you say and are using the message board for what it is for, a place to vent sometimes.

I'm not going to email Eddie and ask how "Get Right" was put on Riot Act. I'm going to post here that the song blows.

covered in bliss

Good luck getting anything accomplished. Maybe there should be a 'venting' section for people that just want to talk and not act.

:yawn:

edit-FYI, I opened the thread because I adore the phrase 'it is what it is'.

in this case, it isn't.

hopethatuchoke

SolarWorld wrote:

The Ten Club does not plan Pearl Jam's tours. They cannot make any decision on how shows are announced since they don't make the deals. When tour time comes around Curtis Management plans the tour. I hope you are all sending Kelly letters and not the Ten Club.

All those things you mentioned that were changed were things that the Ten Club has some sort of control of. Which is how they choose to distribute their allotted tickets, they have no control over how and when show deals are made. Its like calling the police to put out our fire.

The Ten Club deals with retail Pearl Jam, selling us trinkets and providing us with tickets. The big deals are done elsewhere. Like the Target deal? Also tours are big deals. Big deals also don't tend to take a small, VERY vocal, minority into account when making these deals. It's about maximizing ticket sales, not making the tour convenient for a handful of people.

Yes but the entire Pearl jam organization is run in one building. Everything is connected. So while the Ten Club isn't necessarily in the "Big deals", they are still there per say in the building. I think it is a pretty tight operation.