Show Announcement Method: It is what it is

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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Ridiculous. In order for me to say I don't like how PJ announces my tour, I've gotta be throwing blood on woman wearing fur coats. Ridiculous. Why can't you just accept that Pearl Jam's method for announcing tours is flawed compared to 90% of the other bands out there?

    You can say whatever you want. I don't care. I'm just saying, it doesn't seem like something worth getting worked up over.

    I don't get pissed about the way other bands do business. Why should I get pissed about this? Something about learning to accept the things you cannot change, and all that.

    I often wonder about folks on this board (and others) who spend most of their time going apeshit over various things that, in the scheme of things, are completely insignificant. I always wonder how those people would react if they had some real problems.
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Whether you have fans that follow you or don't, other bands find a way to announce their tour at one time, instead of piece-meal. There are no valid arguments supporting the way PJ does it. None. SLC was rumored in April. It could have been announced 4 weeks ago.

    That's fine. That's not how Pearl Jam chooses to do it. I'm sure they aren't doing it to piss you off in particular.

    Again, accept the things you cannot change. Go with the flow. It's a simpler way to live life.
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  • cowboypjfan
    cowboypjfan Posts: 2,453
    slightofjeff wrote:
    crazypjfan wrote:
    However, this method is very inconsiderate of those trying to make their summer plans and see their favorite band.

    One of the points I was trying to make in a previous posts is that no band plans its tour announcements around people traveling to see shows. The shows are for people that live in and around that particular city.

    If you're traveling, you're traveling at your own risk.

    I agree that they don't plan around people traveling or else they would rent me and my crew a tour bus. However, this needs to be addressed and taken into consideration because as the band grows and becomes more legendary, people are going to see them away from home and make a vacation out of it. I would like to think we are different than Beyonce and/or Green Day so lets not use bands or performers like these as comparison ;)
  • decides2dream
    decides2dream Posts: 14,977
    slightofjeff wrote:
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Ridiculous. In order for me to say I don't like how PJ announces my tour, I've gotta be throwing blood on woman wearing fur coats. Ridiculous. Why can't you just accept that Pearl Jam's method for announcing tours is flawed compared to 90% of the other bands out there?

    You can say whatever you want. I don't care. I'm just saying, it doesn't seem like something worth getting worked up over.

    I don't get pissed about the way other bands do business. Why should I get pissed about this? Something about learning to accept the things you cannot change, and all that.

    I often wonder about folks on this board (and others) who spend most of their time going apeshit over various things that, in the scheme of things, are completely insignificant. I always wonder how those people would react if they had some real problems.



    do you really think the majority of people who discuss this, and other, topics, are truly going "apeshit" over it? i know i'm not. i agree, in the scheme of things...it's quite insignificant. here's the thing tho, we re all hanging around a rock band's message board in the middle of the workday, currently in the forum for discussing all things related to said rock band, so call me crazy but....i think it's a pretty legit conversation to be having right here. many of us are passing the time, and sure, i'd guess most of us truly love pj and seeing em live. even people who seem rather 'excitable' here, well some may be :P but most...i think it's simply conversation, and sure....sharing opinions. imo, that's exactly why pearl jam even have an official board - for fans to gather together and share their thoughts.


    and absolutely...it is what it is. but like anything else, if one hopes for change, well it's good to express your pov. hell, sometimes it's simply healthy to vent. :D
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  • kiljoythemerciful
    kiljoythemerciful Posts: 549
    edited August 2009
    benjs wrote:
    TheBeach wrote:
    pjtaper wrote:
    SO ANNOYING!!!!
    Announce a tour like a normal band, wtf? This is AWFUL! I need to sell my Austin City Limit ticket now...
    Anyone book a flight to Philly before they announced these shows?
    After this year, I may not renew my membership, and I highly doubt I'll bother seeing my favorite band anymore, it's just too frustrating!

    I'm just glad they still aren't hitting the south!

    I'm glad their doing it like this. Not all of us are independently wealthy and can purchase the tickets all at once. If they announce the shows a little at at time it gives you a chance to come up with the money.
    I'm glad one more whiner will be giving up his membership. I hope your number is low. :D
    I don't mean to pick a fight here, but wouldn't you find it obnoxious if someone made that exact statement towards you? This "don't like this? Don't renew your membership" crap is pretty petty in my opinion.

    I'm going to have to disagree with ya for the first time, benjs. The only way PJ or Ten Club would really take note of an issue like this is if people decided it was no longer worth the 20 bucks to go through this "hassle" of not knowing dates all at once (I believe that the poster said "I may have to not renew my memebership"). I revert back to my original statement that each individual ten club member has to put the responsibility on their own shoulders.

    It was pretty obvious that A) there would be additional shows added during some of the breaks btwn shows on this tour. B)That there will be a more extensive tour in 2010 where they hit more major cities.

    People who broke down and bought tickets to a show they had to travel to, made that decision on their own and now they whine because what was a very apparent possibiltiy came true. Pearl Jam has made the decision to announce shows in this fashion. Use your brains and work with the system or cancel your membership.

    If you want to log a complaint, don't come on the fan board (write a letter to management, this will have a greater affect if there are numbers who agree), and complain aboout having to pay for a pearl jam vacation and having to pay for a show in your backyard. You made the choice to take a pearl jam vacation which means you had the expendable monies to do this, most people don't. If you chose to travel beyond your expenses to a friggin rock n roll concert, you my friend are an idiot and don't deserve a forum to complain. TAKE SOME PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!!! Has this concept been completely lost in our country?
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    crazypjfan wrote:
    slightofjeff wrote:
    crazypjfan wrote:
    However, this method is very inconsiderate of those trying to make their summer plans and see their favorite band.

    One of the points I was trying to make in a previous posts is that no band plans its tour announcements around people traveling to see shows. The shows are for people that live in and around that particular city.

    If you're traveling, you're traveling at your own risk.

    I agree that they don't plan around people traveling or else they would rent me and my crew a tour bus. However, this needs to be addressed and taken into consideration because as the band grows and becomes more legendary, people are going to see them away from home and make a vacation out of it. I would like to think we are different than Beyonce and/or Green Day so lets not use bands or performers like these as comparison ;)

    I see your point. Really I do.

    But I also have trouble mustering sympathy for people whose big problem is they booked a trip to see Pearl Jam play someplace cool, and now they might have to go to an additional show because Pearl Jam is now playing in their backyard.

    It's like bitching about hitting the lottery twice. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
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  • Kinsey
    Kinsey Posts: 197
    One of the points I was trying to make in a previous posts is that no band plans its tour announcements around people traveling to see shows. The shows are for people that live in and around that particular city.

    If you're traveling, you're traveling at your own risk.[/quote]

    I don't think that any band these days, particularly with such a passionate fanbase, reasonably books dates expecting only local fans to show up. Are there really enough PJ fans in Philly alone to sell out 4 nights? You only need to have a quick peruse of this board to realise that PJ fans (like most band's fans these days) are travelling long distances to see shows.
    [/quote]

    Do you really think Green Day fans or Black Eyed Peas Fans or Beyonce fans are traveling to see multiple dates? Because I don't.[/quote]

    No idea about those acts. I know for a fact that Metallica, Springsteen and U2 fans to name a few will attend multiple shows in multiple countries. PJ fans obviously do the same.

    Abbreviated tour announcements don't help their travel plans is the point being made here. I'm dumbfounded by how much money and time some people spend to see a band, but that's the way they are.

    It's hardly a convincing argument to state that some fan groups might not travel, when you know that this particular community does.
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    decides2dream wrote:
    do you really think the majority of people who discuss this, and other, topics, are truly going "apeshit" over it? i know i'm not. i agree, in the scheme of things...it's quite insignificant. here's the thing tho, we re all hanging around a rock band's message board in the middle of the workday, currently in the forum for discussing all things related to said rock band, so call me crazy but....i think it's a pretty legit conversation to be having right here. many of us are passing the time, and sure, i'd guess most of us truly love pj and seeing em live. even people who seem rather 'excitable' here, well some may be :P but most...i think it's simply conversation, and sure....sharing opinions. imo, that's exactly why pearl jam even have an official board - for fans to gather together and share their thoughts.


    and absolutely...it is what it is. but like anything else, if one hopes for change, well it's good to express your pov. hell, sometimes it's simply healthy to vent. :D

    If you're not going apeshit, then I'm not talking to you. But every thread about every topic contains these people (usually the same people) ... bitching about the way the tour was announced .... bitching about the places they chose to play .... bitching about the places they chose not to play ... bitching about the songs they chose to play ... bitching about the cost of tickets ... bitching about Target ... bitching about the length of the upcoming album ... and so on and so forth.

    One doesn't have to "drink the Kool-Aid" so to speak and agree with everything in order to be a part of the fan base, but some of these people ... I wonder why they are fans of something that obviously causes such great consternation in their lives.
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  • cowboypjfan
    cowboypjfan Posts: 2,453
    kiljoythemerciful wrote:
    If you want to log a complaint, don't come on the fan board (write a letter to management, this will have a greater affect if there are numbers who agree), and complain aboout having to pay for a pearl jam vacation and having to pay for a show in your backyard. You made the choice to take a pearl jam vacation which means you had the expendable monies to do this, most people don't. If you chose to travel beyond your expenses to a friggin rock n roll concert, you my friend are an idiot and don't deserve a forum to complain. TAKE SOME PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!!! Has this concept been completely lost in our country?

    First, I think that this board is a great place to voice your opinion and log your complaint. Second, I don't think that management wants to receive winey messages every time someone has a complaint. Lastly, please don't assume that people are spending over their means to travel to see PJ(That's THEIR business ;) )

    Anyway, I am just asking PJ to rethink their strategy when it comes to touring, thats all. If they don't, thats fine too, we will all get along and travel to some kickass places to see them. I ended up getting tickets to go to Italy in 06 to see them after I had already seen them play earlier in the year in PHilly. Turns out, we made a trip out of it and became engaged in a secluded corridor in Venice! :D Not to mention the three shows, the band, people and the culture were incredible.
  • decides2dream
    decides2dream Posts: 14,977
    slightofjeff wrote:
    decides2dream wrote:
    do you really think the majority of people who discuss this, and other, topics, are truly going "apeshit" over it? i know i'm not. i agree, in the scheme of things...it's quite insignificant. here's the thing tho, we re all hanging around a rock band's message board in the middle of the workday, currently in the forum for discussing all things related to said rock band, so call me crazy but....i think it's a pretty legit conversation to be having right here. many of us are passing the time, and sure, i'd guess most of us truly love pj and seeing em live. even people who seem rather 'excitable' here, well some may be :P but most...i think it's simply conversation, and sure....sharing opinions. imo, that's exactly why pearl jam even have an official board - for fans to gather together and share their thoughts.


    and absolutely...it is what it is. but like anything else, if one hopes for change, well it's good to express your pov. hell, sometimes it's simply healthy to vent. :D

    If you're not going apeshit, then I'm not talking to you. But every thread about every topic contains these people (usually the same people) ... bitching about the way the tour was announced .... bitching about the places they chose to play .... bitching about the places they chose not to play ... bitching about the songs they chose to play ... bitching about the cost of tickets ... bitching about Target ... bitching about the length of the upcoming album ... and so on and so forth.

    One doesn't have to "drink the Kool-Aid" so to speak and agree with everything in order to be a part of the fan base, but some of these people ... I wonder why they are fans of something that obviously causes such great consternation in their lives.


    well some people are just....nuts.

    however, it seems most discussing this topic aren't going apeshit, and are legitimately airing their personal greivances, and i see nothing wrong with that. i guess it irks me a wee bit when some seem to try and stifle conversation, especially by saying there are more important things, etc. well yea....errrrrr.......i think most of us know that! :P and yet, here we all are.....on the porch. and hey, it's not even an important topic to you, and yet here you are.....recalling psalms for us, helping us get our lives back in balance. ;) seriously....we wouldn't be here having 98% of the discussions we have here, both positive and negative, if we all only focused on what is *important*....


    anyhoo, there is very, very little i find worthy of complaint within the pj camps, but yes, i have to agree....the way they've been handling show announcements, well....it sucks. one can agree, disagree, whatever....but yes....this is the place to have such discussions.

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  • cowboypjfan
    cowboypjfan Posts: 2,453
    slightofjeff wrote:
    But I also have trouble mustering sympathy for people whose big problem is they booked a trip to see Pearl Jam play someplace cool, and now they might have to go to an additional show because Pearl Jam is now playing in their backyard.

    It's like bitching about hitting the lottery twice. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

    I agreed with that. I addressed that earlier. If you are interested in visiting a place of interest , by all means, do it but don't bitch after you have committed to seeing them in a foreign city. However, I have been following this band for well over 10 years and have seen far better methods for announcing shows/tours. I am going to CHicago, Seattle and PHilly(hometown shows) so I think I hit the lottery 3 times! :mrgreen:
  • decides2dream
    decides2dream Posts: 14,977
    slightofjeff wrote:
    I see your point. Really I do.

    But I also have trouble mustering sympathy for people whose big problem is they booked a trip to see Pearl Jam play someplace cool, and now they might have to go to an additional show because Pearl Jam is now playing in their backyard.

    It's like bitching about hitting the lottery twice. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.



    well how about people who aren't even bitching about that, or truly bitching at all (since when is expressing a dissenting opinion, especially respectfully, always labelled as 'bithcing'....?)....but merely would like to know ALL the cool places pearl jam is planning on hitting up, so then they can choose just what cool place fits within their work schedule, when they can manage time off, is a place they'd like to go, what would fit in their budget best, etc. it's simply the desire to make a truly informed decision, that is all. since you seem keen on us all being sensible ;)....well that's all many of us are wishing to do.


    i was seriously considering sydney (i've now knocked it out of contention for various reasons) or hawaii. i am still considering hawaii. if/when i was still considering sydney, it definitely would be an either/or scenario for me, sydney or hawaii...not both. i would've very much liked to know the hawaii date(s) before the end of the oz presale....make the best, most informed decision. luckily for me, i already changed my mind :P but none the less.....still would've been nice to know beforehand if/when hawaii is happening. you're right, it's a great *problem* to have....thus why i am not 'bitching'...but you bet, throwing in my agreement that there are better ways of announcing your tour plans. that is all.
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  • The Champ
    The Champ Posts: 4,063
    I agree, it is what it is..
    'I want to hurry home to you
    put on a slow, dumb show for you
    and crack you up
    so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
    god I'm very, very frightening
    and I'll overdo it'
  • kiljoythemerciful
    kiljoythemerciful Posts: 549
    crazypjfan wrote:
    kiljoythemerciful wrote:
    If you want to log a complaint, don't come on the fan board (write a letter to management, this will have a greater affect if there are numbers who agree), and complain aboout having to pay for a pearl jam vacation and having to pay for a show in your backyard. You made the choice to take a pearl jam vacation which means you had the expendable monies to do this, most people don't. If you chose to travel beyond your expenses to a friggin rock n roll concert, you my friend are an idiot and don't deserve a forum to complain. TAKE SOME PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!!! Has this concept been completely lost in our country?

    First, I think that this board is a great place to voice your opinion and log your complaint. Second, I don't think that management wants to receive winey messages every time someone has a complaint. Lastly, please don't assume that people are spending over their means to travel to see PJ(That's THEIR business ;) )

    Anyway, I am just asking PJ to rethink their strategy when it comes to touring, thats all. If they don't, thats fine too, we will all get along and travel to some kickass places to see them. I ended up getting tickets to go to Italy in 06 to see them after I had already seen them play earlier in the year in PHilly. Turns out, we made a trip out of it and became engaged in a secluded corridor in Venice! :D Not to mention the three shows, the band, people and the culture were incredible.

    Uh...ok. Who can I complain to that you got to travel to Italy to see PJ? Are you on Facebook? I think I'll start there :roll:

    I'm not assuming anything, only going by what people have been saying for 12-13 pages. There is nothing to discuss amongst fans with this issue. If you have a suggestion for the band, suggest it to the band. Don't whine to my broke ass about how inconvenienced you are by your travelling all over the planet to see a rock band. They make it my business when they post that they have been put out by this method!
  • cowboypjfan
    cowboypjfan Posts: 2,453
    kiljoythemerciful wrote:
    Uh...ok. Who can I complain to that you got to travel to Italy to see PJ? Are you on Facebook? I think I'll start there :roll:

    I'm not assuming anything, only going by what people have been saying for 12-13 pages. There is nothing to discuss amongst fans with this issue. If you have a suggestion for the band, suggest it to the band. Don't whine to my broke ass about how inconvenienced you are by your travelling all over the planet to see a rock band.

    I guessed you missed the point. I am not complaining and am completely grateful for seeing PJ. I just feel for the broke-ass people like yourself who may or may not plan on seeing shows in other lands prematurely(i am not saying that you do this ;) If there are never suggesstions to change things that people don't like or deem inconvenient, we would never improve our methods or business :)
  • Veddernarian
    Veddernarian Posts: 1,924
    It's a numbers game and one can't satisfy everybody. If a stadium holds 18,000 people, how many of them travel. Given any city. I bet it is very few as a percentage of a venue's capacity. I believe the people who travel around following the band and planning vacations around the tour are few and far in-between. Given this is a PJ forum, the number of people in this forum who travels with the band is many. So I think while the concern about piecemeal announcements affects more people as a percentage here, in the general scheme, it is a very low number of people. There are many factors in planning a tour. Of all the variables needing to be addressed, thinking about people traveling with the band is probably important and is considered but probably carries a relatively low weight compared with other issues that need to be addressed. I'm sure that if factors lend themselves to a situation where all or most shows get announced at once, they would announce at once. In 2003, there were several rollover shows added later than the original tour announcement based on demand. Remember, no 10c tickets for those shows. Everything is give and take, many factors come into play. I think PJ travelers are an ultimate example of an extreme special interest group. An extreme minority. I don't think they can handle every special interest group's desires to everybody's satisfaction. I think SlightofJeff makes excellent points. I feel for the travelers concerns but understand what is going on here.
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    slightofjeff wrote:
    If you're not going apeshit, then I'm not talking to you. But every thread about every topic contains these people (usually the same people) ... bitching about the way the tour was announced .... bitching about the places they chose to play .... bitching about the places they chose not to play ... bitching about the songs they chose to play ... bitching about the cost of tickets ... bitching about Target ... bitching about the length of the upcoming album ... and so on and so forth.

    One doesn't have to "drink the Kool-Aid" so to speak and agree with everything in order to be a part of the fan base, but some of these people ... I wonder why they are fans of something that obviously causes such great consternation in their lives.


    preach brother!!



    is the way pj announces tours lame? yes

    will you get an answer as to why? probably not

    ranting and raving like a petulant child here gonna help? not really

    sending an intelligent, well thought out letter/email to the band a better way to go? i think so
  • decides2dream
    decides2dream Posts: 14,977
    norm wrote:
    slightofjeff wrote:
    If you're not going apeshit, then I'm not talking to you. But every thread about every topic contains these people (usually the same people) ... bitching about the way the tour was announced .... bitching about the places they chose to play .... bitching about the places they chose not to play ... bitching about the songs they chose to play ... bitching about the cost of tickets ... bitching about Target ... bitching about the length of the upcoming album ... and so on and so forth.

    One doesn't have to "drink the Kool-Aid" so to speak and agree with everything in order to be a part of the fan base, but some of these people ... I wonder why they are fans of something that obviously causes such great consternation in their lives.


    preach brother!!



    is the way pj announces tours lame? yes

    will you get an answer as to why? probably not

    ranting and raving like a petulant child here gonna help? not really

    sending an intelligent, well thought out letter/email to the band a better way to go? i think so


    way to take the fun out of it. ;)


    seriously....did people send emails about altering seniority, or how posters were sold, or requesting presales for posters, etc, etc...? idk...maybe people did, i just know i didn't. however, i certainly discussed ALL those topics, right here, and quite often. ;) both are good. i also think 10c does check out this official forum from time to time as well. :D


    however, you bet....when i wanted to get MoTH played in milan, i took no chances and utlized all written methods of communication. :)
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  • kiljoythemerciful
    kiljoythemerciful Posts: 549
    Veddernarian wrote:
    It's a numbers game and one can't satisfy everybody. If a stadium holds 18,000 people, how many of them travel. Given any city. I bet it is very few as a percentage of a venue's capacity. I believe the people who travel around following the band and planning vacations around the tour are few and far in-between.

    An excellent point. I prefer they went back to only giving ten club members 1 set of tickets per tour. I guess I could start another thread about how I feel like I am being shafted. You can't please everyone.
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    decides2dream wrote:
    norm wrote:
    slightofjeff wrote:
    If you're not going apeshit, then I'm not talking to you. But every thread about every topic contains these people (usually the same people) ... bitching about the way the tour was announced .... bitching about the places they chose to play .... bitching about the places they chose not to play ... bitching about the songs they chose to play ... bitching about the cost of tickets ... bitching about Target ... bitching about the length of the upcoming album ... and so on and so forth.

    One doesn't have to "drink the Kool-Aid" so to speak and agree with everything in order to be a part of the fan base, but some of these people ... I wonder why they are fans of something that obviously causes such great consternation in their lives.


    preach brother!!



    is the way pj announces tours lame? yes

    will you get an answer as to why? probably not

    ranting and raving like a petulant child here gonna help? not really

    sending an intelligent, well thought out letter/email to the band a better way to go? i think so


    way to take the fun out of it. ;)


    seriously....did people send emails about altering seniority, or how posters were sold, or requesting presales for posters, etc, etc...? idk...maybe people did, i just know i didn't. however, i certainly discussed ALL those topics, right here, and quite often. ;) both are good. i also think 10c does check out this official forum from time to time as well. :D


    however, you bet....when i wanted to get MoTH played in milan, i took no chances and utlized all written methods of communication. :)

    of course 10c forwards complaints and ideas that come up here...and of course it should be discussed here...but a lot of people seems to assume that be lodging their complaint here (usually in a very entitled tone) that the band will immediately change the way they do things...honestly, if i were in the band or part of it's management and read some of the comments by "fans", i'd close the fan club and tell us all to fuck off...it is bizarre as to why they put together their tours...no one is disputing that....but at this point and on, people should factor this in and decide before they purchase tickets if they really want to travel to see the band or wait and hope a show closer to them come up...i did in 08...i thought they'd announce some shows on the west coast after the east coast gigs...they didn't and life went on...now i'll see them 5 times locally...i didn't buy toronto or chicago or philly tix...i waited and was rewarded...if they didn't play here, then i might have traveled...life is made of choices :)

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