Show Announcement Method: It is what it is

benjs

bootlegger10 wrote:

SolarWorld wrote:

Vedd Hedd wrote:

How about this: 5 months before the tour announce at least 85% of the cities and dates, like any other band.

Pearl Jam is not every other band, you would think diehards would know this by now. They do things they way they want to do them, they always have. Dont like it? The door is over there...

You are the biggest PJ fanboy here. People have legitimate complaints, like someone earlier from SLC who hasn't seen a show in 10 years and finds out in a random show announcement that a show has been added in SLC after he's already paid for a San Diego trip. Yes, it is great that he can afford that trip, but not everyone wants to travel to see the band if they can help it.

Stop being an a**clown and listen to people instead of drinking PJ's kool-aid.

I didn't want to be the one to say it, and I probably would have chosen my words a bit more carefully.... but yes.

Flagg

slightofjeff wrote:

Typically, the way it works for most any other band is this. You see that said band is coming to your city and/or area ... you buy tickets to said show.

It doesn't matter if they are also playing a gig five hours away. You didn't care about that one. You weren't going. You might not have even known about it.

So it doesn't matter when they announced the show in your town. That's the only one you care about.

The problem, as it is, with Pearl Jam is that some of you dorks want to go to a half dozen different shows. That's the only way this tour-announcing policy makes a damn to anyone.

So, the solution is simple: Next time, only go to shows in your area, or don't go at all. Treat them like every other band. I don't care how Green Day announces their tour. If they play in my town or area, I will go. If not, I don't.

It makes life simpler.

Or, go to your half dozen out-of-state shows (I would recommend traveling to a city you'd like to visit regardless of if PJ were playing there) ... but don't bitch when they add a date in your backyard later. Nobody says you have to be in the building every time Pearl Jam plays a show.

I agree with this. But I do still travel to see them. I wouldn't do that for any other band. For the most part I try to travel to cities I have never been to before or enjoy visiting.

And mark it down, you will never hear me complain about a Dallas show after I spend money to travel somewhere else. I would be thrilled if they came back here regardless of the circumstances.

But I still don't like the way they trickle out the dates. It's not cool and everyone knows it. Well almost everyone. There are the kool-aid drinkers that defend every move they make no matter what.

cincybearcat

TheBeach wrote:

I'm glad their doing it like this. Not all of us are independently wealthy and can purchase the tickets all at once. If they announce the shows a little at at time it gives you a chance to come up with the money.
I'm glad one more whiner will be giving up his membership. I hope your number is low.

Aren't you whining about having to purchase tickets all at once? Yep, I think you are whiner. You should give up your membership too.

benjs

TheBeach wrote:

pjtaper wrote:

SO ANNOYING!!!!
Announce a tour like a normal band, wtf? This is AWFUL! I need to sell my Austin City Limit ticket now...
Anyone book a flight to Philly before they announced these shows?
After this year, I may not renew my membership, and I highly doubt I'll bother seeing my favorite band anymore, it's just too frustrating!

I'm just glad they still aren't hitting the south!

I'm glad their doing it like this. Not all of us are independently wealthy and can purchase the tickets all at once. If they announce the shows a little at at time it gives you a chance to come up with the money.
I'm glad one more whiner will be giving up his membership. I hope your number is low.

I don't mean to pick a fight here, but wouldn't you find it obnoxious if someone made that exact statement towards you? This "don't like this? Don't renew your membership" crap is pretty petty in my opinion.

Jeanwah

slightofjeff wrote:

Typically, the way it works for most any other band is this. You see that said band is coming to your city and/or area ... you buy tickets to said show.

It doesn't matter if they are also playing a gig five hours away. You didn't care about that one. You weren't going. You might not have even known about it.

So it doesn't matter when they announced the show in your town. That's the only one you care about.

The problem, as it is, with Pearl Jam is that some of you dorks want to go to a half dozen different shows. That's the only way this tour-announcing policy makes a damn to anyone.

So, the solution is simple: Next time, only go to shows in your area, or don't go at all. Treat them like every other band. I don't care how Green Day announces their tour. If they play in my town or area, I will go. If not, I don't.

It makes life simpler.

Or, go to your half dozen out-of-state shows (I would recommend traveling to a city you'd like to visit regardless of if PJ were playing there) ... but don't bitch when they add a date in your backyard later. Nobody says you have to be in the building every time Pearl Jam plays a show.

While I agree with your points (shocking, isn't it?) the method that band management uses to announce a tour and it's dates, is more than just a bit strange. What are they hiding? What's their reasons for insisting on keeping things secretive? Because the marketing strategy they're currently using, simply makes no sense and does not do the fans justice. If anything, by dropping a few dates here and there rather than publicize a complete tour, they're not getting as great of ticket sales they could probably be getting. I can see them doing this for additional dates in one city, but explain why Portland and SLC had to wait til now. It makes no sense.

Oh, but I do agree that people freak out like they're going to miss something if they're not at every. single. show. they possibly can get to.

Ledbetterman10

pjtaper wrote:

SO ANNOYING!!!!
Announce a tour like a normal band, wtf? This is AWFUL! I need to sell my Austin City Limit ticket now...
Anyone book a flight to Philly before they announced these shows?
After this year, I may not renew my membership, and I highly doubt I'll bother seeing my favorite band anymore, it's just too frustrating!

Well, I'd wish that they'd announce all the dates up front too....but you don't have to cry like a little baby over it. Would you rather they add shows or take shows away?

pjtaper wrote:

I'm just glad they still aren't hitting the south!

bootlegger10

benjs wrote:

I didn't want to be the one to say it, and I probably would have chosen my words a bit more carefully.... but yes.

You should have seen my first draft!

benjs

bootlegger10 wrote:

benjs wrote:

I didn't want to be the one to say it, and I probably would have chosen my words a bit more carefully.... but yes.

You should have seen my first draft!

cowboypjfan

I have said this before. Whoever agrees with this method is either rich, naive or just plain ignorant. This doesn't affect me because I purchase tickets and make travel plans based on where we want to vacation and see PJ regardless of future announcements. However, this method is very inconsiderate of those trying to make their summer plans and see their favorite band. I especially feel for those who have purchased tickets and accomodations far away from home only to find out a month or so later that the band will be in their hometown. Something needs to be done about this. There are not many flaws in this band or organization but this is DEFINITELY one of them! Thanks.

jaimelyn

crazypjfan wrote:

I have said this before. Whoever agrees with this method is either rich, naive or just plain ignorant. This doesn't affect me because I purchase tickets and make travel plans based on where we want to vacation and see PJ regardless of future announcements. However, this method is very inconsiderate of those trying to make their summer plans and see their favorite band. I especially feel for those who have purchased tickets and accomodations far away from home only to find out a month or so later that the band will be in their hometown. Something needs to be done about this. There are not many flaws in this band or organization but this is DEFINITELY one of them! Thanks.

I wholeheartedly agree with this statement.

drew0

jaimelyn wrote:

crazypjfan wrote:

I have said this before. Whoever agrees with this method is either rich, naive or just plain ignorant. This doesn't affect me because I purchase tickets and make travel plans based on where we want to vacation and see PJ regardless of future announcements. However, this method is very inconsiderate of those trying to make their summer plans and see their favorite band. I especially feel for those who have purchased tickets and accomodations far away from home only to find out a month or so later that the band will be in their hometown. Something needs to be done about this. There are not many flaws in this band or organization but this is DEFINITELY one of them! Thanks.

I wholeheartedly agree with this statement.

I agree with this too.

I think it is something that could be easily prevented but has been ignored for too long. Being upset about this does not equal demeaning the band or being a whiny bitch. This is an inconvenience that can is extremely annoying, has happened on multiple occasions and causes financial stress during a time when we need less of it. Of course it is just a concert experience and we should be lucky they're playing at all, but considering how easy it would be to fix this problem (announce all tour dates at once) ... it makes it all the more frustrating.

I haven't been affected by this (I'm 50/50 on buying a 10/31 ticket because I am in college and last time I traveled for a show during the week I ended up having a test the next day and it was not fun). However, I would be extremely upset if I had taken off from work/school to attend one of the original Philadelphia shows (I live in Pittsburgh) during the week only to have them announce a Pittsburgh show yesterday. This is a similar problem to those from Vancouver/Portland that decided to attend Seattle only to get their own hometown shows.

benjs

drew0 wrote:

jaimelyn wrote:

crazypjfan wrote:

I have said this before. Whoever agrees with this method is either rich, naive or just plain ignorant. This doesn't affect me because I purchase tickets and make travel plans based on where we want to vacation and see PJ regardless of future announcements. However, this method is very inconsiderate of those trying to make their summer plans and see their favorite band. I especially feel for those who have purchased tickets and accomodations far away from home only to find out a month or so later that the band will be in their hometown. Something needs to be done about this. There are not many flaws in this band or organization but this is DEFINITELY one of them! Thanks.

I wholeheartedly agree with this statement.

I agree with this too.

I think it is something that could be easily prevented but has been ignored for too long. Being upset about this does not equal demeaning the band or being a whiny bitch. This is an inconvenience that can is extremely annoying, has happened on multiple occasions and causes financial stress during a time when we need less of it. Of course it is just a concert experience and we should be lucky they're playing at all, but considering how easy it would be to fix this problem (announce all tour dates at once) ... it makes it all the more frustrating.

I haven't been affected by this (I'm 50/50 on buying a 10/31 ticket because I am in college and last time I traveled for a show during the week I ended up having a test the next day and it was not fun). However, I would be extremely upset if I had taken off from work/school to attend one of the original Philadelphia shows (I live in Pittsburgh) during the week only to have them announce a Pittsburgh show yesterday. This is a similar problem to those from Vancouver/Portland that decided to attend Seattle only to get their own hometown shows.

Glad we're all in agreement here! For those saying we should just accept this because the almighty, all-powerful Pearl Jam management deems this the right way to go about it - give me a great answer to this question, and that'll be the end from me: why? I feel like a broken record, but there are ways the band can maximize profit AND be considerate of their fan base, and they seriously need to work on finding that.

slightofjeff

benjs wrote:

Glad we're all in agreement here! For those saying we should just accept this because the almighty, all-powerful Pearl Jam management deems this the right way to go about it - give me a great answer to this question, and that'll be the end from me: why? I feel like a broken record, but there are ways the band can maximize profit AND be considerate of their fan base, and they seriously need to work on finding that.

I'm saying accept it because, as this thread title now says, it is what it is. On the list of "Things in the World Worth Complaining About," how some rock band chooses to announce its tours is very, very low on the list.

I would hope that the people on this thread who are spending so much time bitching about the tour (and ticket prices, and "The Fixer" and so on and so on) are equally as vocal when it comes to things that matter -- like the health care debate, or the mid-term congressional elections, etc etc.

There's not much that can be done about the way PJ announces their tour. It doesn't seem to make much sense to complain about it. The only dude on this thread who really is making sense is the dude from SLC who vows never again to travel to a Pearl Jam show. At least he's putting his money where his mouth is, voting with his wallet.

slightofjeff

crazypjfan wrote:

However, this method is very inconsiderate of those trying to make their summer plans and see their favorite band.

One of the points I was trying to make in a previous posts is that no band plans its tour announcements around people traveling to see shows. The shows are for people that live in and around that particular city.

If you're traveling, you're traveling at your own risk.

decides2dream

slightofjeff wrote:

crazypjfan wrote:

However, this method is very inconsiderate of those trying to make their summer plans and see their favorite band.

One of the points I was trying to make in a previous posts is that no band plans its tour announcements around people traveling to see shows. The shows are for people that live in and around that particular city.

If you're traveling, you're traveling at your own risk.

absolutely.
and yet, none the less....the majority of bands manage to make a full tour announcement rather than piece-meal. i think that is all it comes down to, for most of us, whether we want to travel to shows, or we want to see shows only at home, etc.

bootlegger10

slightofjeff wrote:

benjs wrote:

Glad we're all in agreement here! For those saying we should just accept this because the almighty, all-powerful Pearl Jam management deems this the right way to go about it - give me a great answer to this question, and that'll be the end from me: why? I feel like a broken record, but there are ways the band can maximize profit AND be considerate of their fan base, and they seriously need to work on finding that.

I'm saying accept it because, as this thread title now says, it is what it is. On the list of "Things in the World Worth Complaining About," how some rock band chooses to announce its tours is very, very low on the list.

I would hope that the people on this thread who are spending so much time bitching about the tour (and ticket prices, and "The Fixer" and so on and so on) are equally as vocal when it comes to things that matter -- like the health care debate, or the mid-term congressional elections, etc etc. .

Ridiculous. In order for me to say I don't like how PJ announces my tour, I've gotta be throwing blood on woman wearing fur coats. Ridiculous. Why can't you just accept that Pearl Jam's method for announcing tours is flawed compared to 90% of the other bands out there?

benjs

slightofjeff wrote:

crazypjfan wrote:

However, this method is very inconsiderate of those trying to make their summer plans and see their favorite band.

One of the points I was trying to make in a previous posts is that no band plans its tour announcements around people traveling to see shows. The shows are for people that live in and around that particular city.

If you're traveling, you're traveling at your own risk.

On the other hand, the fan base is what it is, and DOES travel for the band. Phish is a band which has a following which do travel for them quite a bit as well, and they announce a tour all at once, and that's that. This is something that they do which is respectful of their fan base, and pretty easy to do. Not to mention, if unconfirmed shows are the issue, I see no reason why they couldn't simply do what they did for the unconfirmed dates for the EV tour.

Kinsey

slightofjeff wrote:

crazypjfan wrote:

However, this method is very inconsiderate of those trying to make their summer plans and see their favorite band.

One of the points I was trying to make in a previous posts is that no band plans its tour announcements around people traveling to see shows. The shows are for people that live in and around that particular city.

If you're traveling, you're traveling at your own risk.

I don't think that any band these days, particularly with such a passionate fanbase, reasonably books dates expecting only local fans to show up. Are there really enough PJ fans in Philly alone to sell out 4 nights? You only need to have a quick peruse of this board to realise that PJ fans (like most band's fans these days) are travelling long distances to see shows.

Leaving weeks in between announcing shows in one city is poor form I think, but it's becoming increasingly typical of big acts to release tour dates in a trickle.

One of my favourite acts announced a show in Dublin last year, and when it sold out in a matter of minutes two more were added within an hour. Obviously pre-planned shows, but the intention was clearly to stoke huge interest in the first show, and, if the reaction was strong enough, commit to two more. All three sold out, as did the two that were done this year, using the same marketing strategy (announce one, sell it out in a few mins, then announce a second). All tickets on sale in one day, so fans could make travel plans as necessary.

slightofjeff

Kinsey wrote:

slightofjeff wrote:

crazypjfan wrote:

However, this method is very inconsiderate of those trying to make their summer plans and see their favorite band.

One of the points I was trying to make in a previous posts is that no band plans its tour announcements around people traveling to see shows. The shows are for people that live in and around that particular city.

If you're traveling, you're traveling at your own risk.

I don't think that any band these days, particularly with such a passionate fanbase, reasonably books dates expecting only local fans to show up. Are there really enough PJ fans in Philly alone to sell out 4 nights? You only need to have a quick peruse of this board to realise that PJ fans (like most band's fans these days) are travelling long distances to see shows.

Do you really think Green Day fans or Black Eyed Peas Fans or Beyonce fans are traveling to see multiple dates? Because I don't.

bootlegger10

Whether you have fans that follow you or don't, other bands find a way to announce their tour at one time, instead of piece-meal. There are no valid arguments supporting the way PJ does it. None. SLC was rumored in April. It could have been announced 4 weeks ago.