Overblown Criticism of The Fixer

Zoso

I actually like the song so I can't complain. It's a pop song but doubtful that it's bubble gum pop.

U R A Crazy Breed

Jeanwah wrote:

All those times some people got on me about disagreeing with the Target partnership, people defending the band for trying to reach a new audience...and now that those some realize it's top 40 pop PJ is entering into, people are all of a sudden up in arms... How else is the band supposed to entice the teen generation? They've got to compete with the Jonas Bros!!

*shudder* please don't say that *shudder*

and i was all up in those Target threads too...ya know this!

but i'll wait till i spend time with the new album before making any rash comments about the album...Self titled was a great album even if i didn't like Parachutes or big wave or comeback...so maybe fixer will be like them..one of the ones i skip.

Zoso

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

All those times some people got on me about disagreeing with the Target partnership, people defending the band for trying to reach a new audience...and now that those some realize it's top 40 pop PJ is entering into, people are all of a sudden up in arms... How else is the band supposed to entice the teen generation? They've got to compete with the Jonas Bros!!

*shudder* please don't say that *shudder*

and i was all up in those Target threads too...ya know this!

but i'll wait till i spend time with the new album before making any rash comments about the album...Self titled was a great album even if i didn't like Parachutes or big wave or comeback...so maybe fixer will be like them..one of the ones i skip.

no matter what ppl think of the fixer I can't believe anyone thinks PJ care about the jonas brothers let alone anyone popular with the teen generation Please! I did shudder when I saw that!

se7v7en

No one cares when you go to the bathroom. Its amazing that some people can get so bent outa shape over one song. We know Eddie is still writing great lyrics..i.e. Into the Wild so whats the big deal if there is a song here or there that isnt incredibly deep and introspective?

Jeanwah

norm wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

metsfan wrote:

OMG, this has got to be the first time you and I are in agreement.

All those times people got on me about disagreeing with Target and defending the band for trying to reach a new audience...and now that some realize it's top 40 pop PJ is entering into, people are all of a sudden up in arms... How else is the band supposed to entice the teen generation? They've got to compete with the Jonas Bros!!

jeanwah i've always respected your opinion and can understand why you feel a bit of disillusion with the perceived direction the might might be taking but tell me you didn't just compare pearl jam to the jonas brothers?

i mean i know you're pissed but c'mon

No, no. I'm not comparing the two! (god, NO!) I'm saying that they'd be competing for their target audience of the younger generation who also happens to listen to Jonas Bros. Jonas would be their competition if they're really trying to reach out to the teen crowd. That's all. :geek:

PJammin'

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

This just in... soulsinging will be going to the bathroom a few times during the opening set, but not for the 'piss break' everyone around here loves so much.

Dan'sDice

Why is everyone so concerned about The Fixer being a pop song? Didn't this already happen with Last Kiss, regardless of it being a non-album cover song? I'd rather have The Fixer be the song that most people not into PJ recongnize rather than Last Kiss. Both are great songs IMO.

U R A Crazy Breed

Jeanwah wrote:

No, no. I'm not comparing the two! (god, NO!) I'm saying that they'd be competing for their target audience of the younger generation who also happens to listen to Jonas Bros. Jonas would be their competition if they're really trying to reach out to the teen crowd. That's all. :geek:

Bubblegum pop, (bubblegum rock, bubblegum music) is a genre of popular music and/or rock and roll. As in the famous quote about pornography, it is difficult to define, but most people know it when they see (hear) it.

Some of the defining characteristics of bubblegum songwriting include catchy or hummable melodies, simplistic three-chord structures, repetitive riffs or "hooks," and lyrical subject matter geared toward teenagers at its most mature; or even, at its most simplistic, small children only one step removed from nursery rhymes.

norm

norm wrote:

i mean i know you're pissed but c'mon

Jeanwah wrote:

No, no. I'm not comparing the two! (god, NO!) I'm saying that they'd be competing for their target audience of the younger generation who also happens to listen to Jonas Bros. Jonas would be their competition if they're really trying to reach out to the teen crowd. That's all. :geek:

i figured you weren't but after today you never know


is it really wrong for the band to grow and expand their audience? i would rather the younger generation to get hooked on pearl jam than waste their teen years listening to the shite on pop radio now

so if the fixer does this and it can reverse the years of crappy music that is being fed to today's youth, i'm ok with that


i'm always shocked when everybody doesn't love this band

Gary Carter

Jeanwah wrote:

OMG, this has got to be the first time you and I are in agreement.

All those times some people got on me about disagreeing with the Target partnership, people defending the band for trying to reach a new audience...and now that those some realize it's top 40 pop PJ is entering into, people are all of a sudden up in arms... How else is the band supposed to entice the teen generation? They've got to compete with the Jonas Bros!!

hahahahahahahahaha, i cant stop from laughing. you're gonna make me crash while i drive to work. i don't mind the target deal its cool or ticketmaster prices but to me this song sounds like there competing with the jonas bros or nickleback.

Jeanwah

metsfan wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

OMG, this has got to be the first time you and I are in agreement.

All those times some people got on me about disagreeing with the Target partnership, people defending the band for trying to reach a new audience...and now that those some realize it's top 40 pop PJ is entering into, people are all of a sudden up in arms... How else is the band supposed to entice the teen generation? They've got to compete with the Jonas Bros!!

hahahahahahahahaha, i cant stop from laughing. you're gonna make me crash while i drive to work. i don't mind the target deal its cool or ticketmaster prices but to me this song sounds like there competing with the jonas bros or nickleback.

Put the phone down and drive! Hell, walking and texting is dangerous!!

Jeanwah

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

Bubblegum pop, (bubblegum rock, bubblegum music) is a genre of popular music and/or rock and roll. As in the famous quote about pornography, it is difficult to define, but most people know it when they see (hear) it.

Some of the defining characteristics of bubblegum songwriting include catchy or hummable melodies, simplistic three-chord structures, repetitive riffs or "hooks," and lyrical subject matter geared toward teenagers at its most mature; or even, at its most simplistic, small children only one step removed from nursery rhymes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah! All it's missing is a few "She loves you"s

lukin14

Snoopy Died For Our Sins wrote:

the only album I totally fell in love with immediately was YIELD

I like 99.95% of Pearl Jam songs, too..............

I agree except it was Vs & Yield for me.


it's funny.. i got hooked on Vs. in 1997.. (yup, late bloomer).. from the 1st second of the 1st song.. i nearly wore that cd out and went about picking up the rest..

No Code was a struggle to wrap my head around.

Yield was love at first listen all over again.

Vitalogy took no time at all.

Ten took some time.. didn't feel the same connection as I did to VS, Vitalogy & Yield..

Binaural was fairly quick to get into.

Riot Act was maybe a touch longer than Binaural

Avocado was 1/2 fast & 1/2 slow..

Overall No Code & Ten took me the longest to get into..

soulsinging

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

No, no. I'm not comparing the two! (god, NO!) I'm saying that they'd be competing for their target audience of the younger generation who also happens to listen to Jonas Bros. Jonas would be their competition if they're really trying to reach out to the teen crowd. That's all. :geek:

Bubblegum pop, (bubblegum rock, bubblegum music) is a genre of popular music and/or rock and roll. As in the famous quote about pornography, it is difficult to define, but most people know it when they see (hear) it.

Some of the defining characteristics of bubblegum songwriting include catchy or hummable melodies, simplistic three-chord structures, repetitive riffs or "hooks," and lyrical subject matter geared toward teenagers at its most mature; or even, at its most simplistic, small children only one step removed from nursery rhymes.

aka, the entire Beatles catalogue prior to Rubber Soul. And what's so awful about that? They had a lot of damn good songs in that period. And this song is in the same vein.

U R A Crazy Breed

future crowd? :twisted: :twisted:

Jeanwah

soulsinging wrote:

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

No, no. I'm not comparing the two! (god, NO!) I'm saying that they'd be competing for their target audience of the younger generation who also happens to listen to Jonas Bros. Jonas would be their competition if they're really trying to reach out to the teen crowd. That's all. :geek:

Bubblegum pop, (bubblegum rock, bubblegum music) is a genre of popular music and/or rock and roll. As in the famous quote about pornography, it is difficult to define, but most people know it when they see (hear) it.

Some of the defining characteristics of bubblegum songwriting include catchy or hummable melodies, simplistic three-chord structures, repetitive riffs or "hooks," and lyrical subject matter geared toward teenagers at its most mature; or even, at its most simplistic, small children only one step removed from nursery rhymes.

aka, the entire Beatles catalogue prior to Rubber Soul. And what's so awful about that? They had a lot of damn good songs in that period. And this song is in the same vein.

I agree, almost everything the Beatles put out was very good. But the entire catalogue prior to Rubber Soul was, indeed, considered bubblegum pop.

Ledbetterman10

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

future crowd? :twisted: :twisted:

how the hell are they going to afford $90 tix?

soulsinging

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

future crowd? :twisted: :twisted:

I doubt that will happen, but if it can cut into the DMB fanbase and bring some of these fans over:



I'd be happy with that.

SOLAT319

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

sorry but at this stage in their careers i was expecting more forward progression..more No Code type..progressive, groundbreaking deep shit...

Yeah, that's not gonna happen anymore

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

can't wait to see what the rest of the album has to offer.

The rest of the album offers "The End" which is just another subpar coffeehouse song.

So far, only Got Some tickles my nausea...

U R A Crazy Breed

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

future crowd? :twisted: :twisted:

how the hell are they going to afford $90 tix?

i hear babysitting can be very lucrative ...seriously..you do know the biggest consumer group are teenage girls right?