Overblown Criticism of The Fixer

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

i dont mind songs growing on me, its just that the ones that do are usually the weirder ones. the quick, punky ones dont. they just kind of sit there. If i dont like those right away i wont ever.

LikeAnOcean

soulsinging wrote:

But I want another song like LBC... you know, a droning organ, depressing verses about people dying, a chorus that steals from other, better songs, uninspired vocals. I want something that makes me want to slit my wrists, not something I can get excited to see in concert and pump my first and sing along to. Music is not supposed to be FUN for God's sakes, it's supposed to be depressing and soul-crushingly self-indulgent.

Seriuosly, when I have friends over and am making a party playlist, there's only a few PJ songs from their hundreds I can actually throw on it.. unless everyone is getting high, but that's another story.

Vedd Hedd

I didn't like pearljam until vitalogy came out. It took me that long to like Ten.

U R A Crazy Breed

Vedd Hedd wrote:

Actually, you kind of ARE saying that it's wrong for people to like it. Look at your thread title and your first post. You can't be surprise that people are calling you on it.
It's not like you went into a random thread and said "I'm not a big fan."

i didn't say it was wrong of people to like bubblegum...is it wrong to ask them if they do?

i don't....that was just me saying "hey... i don't, do you?"

nowhere did i start acting like an elitist douche ....

I just get attacked because i have a conflicting opinion and some of the herd don't like that..oh fucking well..you want me to apologies for not being thrilled to death with a song? don't start holding your breath.

Gary Carter

Vedd Hedd wrote:

the day the single was released, you went on to the main web site of the band, and said that the new song is bubblegum pop music. What did you expect would happen?

I hated Evacuation when it first came out, and I still do. But odds are there was probably someone who liked it. Besides matt, that is.

The last thing I would do was accidentally ruin it. Or take that away from someone.

evacuation is miles better then this crap. least i know what my piss break/beer break song is.

Ledbetterman10

LikeAnOcean wrote:

Pearl Jam needs more fun, poppy songs. They've done ENOUGH experimenting.

Even though I don't care for The Fixer, I agree that fast upbeat songs are a good thing. But I don't see how you can say they've done ENOUGH experimenting. What have they experimented with? When have they ever stepped out of their comfort zone? I know there's Stupid Mop and stuff like that....but that was over 10 years ago. They never do things like instrumentals, fading one song into another, or orchestrations (sans Parting Ways). They never use non-musical overdubs like the voices on Dark Side of the Moon or the radio stations on Queens of the Stone Age's Songs for the Deaf. They never use any instruments outside of guitar, bass, drums, and B3 except for novelty songs like Soon Forget and Bugs. They would never completely jump genres (like Zeppelin with Hog Dog or The Beastie Boys Country album). So where's the experimenting?

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LikeAnOcean

metsfan wrote:

if i want poppy i'd go listen to the jonas brothers. this sounds something like what the jonas brothers or nickleback are doing.

Umm.. sounds more like The Cure to me, but you obviously know the Jonas Brothers music pretty good, so I'll take your word.

Gary Carter

LikeAnOcean wrote:

metsfan wrote:

if i want poppy i'd go listen to the jonas brothers. this sounds something like what the jonas brothers or nickleback are doing.

Umm.. sounds more like The Cure to me, but you obviously know the Jonas Brothers music pretty good, so I'll take your word.

oh please this sounds nothing like the cure. the cure never made anything upbeat/poppy

U R A Crazy Breed

hey...whipping..Satan's bed....hail hail...save you...all upbeat fast tunes...not one of them sounds "poppy"

soulsinging

LikeAnOcean wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

But I want another song like LBC... you know, a droning organ, depressing verses about people dying, a chorus that steals from other, better songs, uninspired vocals. I want something that makes me want to slit my wrists, not something I can get excited to see in concert and pump my first and sing along to. Music is not supposed to be FUN for God's sakes, it's supposed to be depressing and soul-crushingly self-indulgent.

Seriuosly, when I have friends over and am making a party playlist, there's only a few PJ songs from their hundreds I can actually throw on it.. unless everyone is getting high, but that's another story.

Yeah, there's a lot of great material for a good stoner mix, but I've found it incredibly difficult to put together mixes that people will listen to that aren't familiar with the band. Efforts to convince two gf's in a row that this is a band worth listening to have failed. They're the only band I listen to that has that problem.

soulsinging

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

hey...whipping..Satan's bed....hail hail...save you...all upbeat fast tunes...not one of them sounds "poppy"

Are you kidding?

'Already! In Love!' how is that not a poppy chorus?

U R A Crazy Breed

soulsinging wrote:

Yeah, there's a lot of great material for a good stoner mix, but I've found it incredibly difficult to put together mixes that people will listen to that aren't familiar with the band. Efforts to convince two gf's in a row that this is a band worth listening to have failed. They're the only band I listen to that has that problem.

i don't see it as a problem....it's the reason i love this band...they don't make shit that sounds like other bands...they were more concerned with making art than pulling in fans...which in turn gave us their best material.

pjsteelerfan

soulsinging wrote:

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

hey...whipping..Satan's bed....hail hail...save you...all upbeat fast tunes...not one of them sounds "poppy"

Are you kidding?

'Already! In Love!' how is that not a poppy chorus?

And Hail Hail

Vedd Hedd

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

Vedd Hedd wrote:

Actually, you kind of ARE saying that it's wrong for people to like it. Look at your thread title and your first post. You can't be surprise that people are calling you on it.
It's not like you went into a random thread and said "I'm not a big fan."

i didn't say it was wrong of people to like bubblegum...is it wrong to ask them if they do?

i don't....that was just me saying "hey... i don't, do you?"

nowhere did i start acting like an elitist douche ....

I just get attacked because i have a conflicting opinion and some of the herd don't like that..oh fucking well..you want me to apologies for not being thrilled to death with a song? don't start holding your breath.

You know exactly the reaction you were looking for. And you got it, and you act surprised.

This is not bubblegum pop music, it's slightly less abrasive than their usual stuff. But in saying it the way you did, you riled people up by insinuating that it's ok for them to like bubblegum pop, as if this was the case.

I don't expect an apology. I expect a thank you, for keeping yor opinoin at the top for everyone to see. Over and over and over and over.

U R A Crazy Breed thinks this song sucks.

soulsinging

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

LikeAnOcean wrote:

Pearl Jam needs more fun, poppy songs. They've done ENOUGH experimenting.

they would never completely jump genres (like Zeppelin with Hog Dog or The Beastie Boys Country album). So where's the experimenting?

Why would this ever be a good thing? Does anyone want them to do a country album? Aren't Drifting and Thin Air close enough?

LikeAnOcean

metsfan wrote:

LikeAnOcean wrote:

metsfan wrote:

if i want poppy i'd go listen to the jonas brothers. this sounds something like what the jonas brothers or nickleback are doing.

Umm.. sounds more like The Cure to me, but you obviously know the Jonas Brothers music pretty good, so I'll take your word.

oh please this sounds nothing like the cure. the cure never made anything upbeat/poppy

What?

"In Between Days"

"Just Like Heaven"

"Why can't I be with You"

Friday, I'm in Love!!!

Not upbeat and poppy???? Really???

Gary Carter

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

Yeah, there's a lot of great material for a good stoner mix, but I've found it incredibly difficult to put together mixes that people will listen to that aren't familiar with the band. Efforts to convince two gf's in a row that this is a band worth listening to have failed. They're the only band I listen to that has that problem.

i don't see it as a problem....it's the reason i love this band...they don't make shit that sounds like other bands...they were more concerned with making art than pulling in fans...which in turn gave us their best material.

agreed

this sounds something like a 14-18 year old will listen to and go wow this is pearl jam i thought they were more rock and less poppy. this def can be used in a ad for say like target.

Vedd Hedd

Well played, LikeanOcean

Gary Carter

LikeAnOcean wrote:

"In Between Days"

"Just Like Heaven"

"Why can't I be with You"

Friday, I'm in Love!!!

Not upbeat and poppy???? Really???

while the vibe is upbeat/poppy the lyrics are hardly that way.


yesterday i got so old
i felt like i could die
yesterday i got so old
it made me want to cry
go on go on
just walk away
go on go on
your choice is made
go on go on
and disappear
go on go on
away from here

those lyrics are hardly upbeat/poppy