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Overblown Criticism of The Fixer

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    ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    I actually like the song so I can't complain. It's a pop song but doubtful that it's bubble gum pop.
    I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you

    Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl

    I love you forever and forever :)

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    Jeanwah wrote:
    All those times some people got on me about disagreeing with the Target partnership, people defending the band for trying to reach a new audience...and now that those some realize it's top 40 pop PJ is entering into, people are all of a sudden up in arms... How else is the band supposed to entice the teen generation? They've got to compete with the Jonas Bros!!

    *shudder* please don't say that *shudder*

    and i was all up in those Target threads too...ya know this!

    but i'll wait till i spend time with the new album before making any rash comments about the album...Self titled was a great album even if i didn't like Parachutes or big wave or comeback...so maybe fixer will be like them..one of the ones i skip.
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    ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    Jeanwah wrote:
    All those times some people got on me about disagreeing with the Target partnership, people defending the band for trying to reach a new audience...and now that those some realize it's top 40 pop PJ is entering into, people are all of a sudden up in arms... How else is the band supposed to entice the teen generation? They've got to compete with the Jonas Bros!!

    *shudder* please don't say that *shudder*

    and i was all up in those Target threads too...ya know this!

    but i'll wait till i spend time with the new album before making any rash comments about the album...Self titled was a great album even if i didn't like Parachutes or big wave or comeback...so maybe fixer will be like them..one of the ones i skip.

    no matter what ppl think of the fixer I can't believe anyone thinks PJ care about the jonas brothers let alone anyone popular with the teen generation :D Please! I did shudder when I saw that!
    I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you

    Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl

    I love you forever and forever :)

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    se7v7ense7v7en Philadelphia, PA Posts: 328
    No one cares when you go to the bathroom. Its amazing that some people can get so bent outa shape over one song. We know Eddie is still writing great lyrics..i.e. Into the Wild so whats the big deal if there is a song here or there that isnt incredibly deep and introspective?
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    JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    norm wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    metsfan wrote:
    OMG, this has got to be the first time you and I are in agreement.

    All those times people got on me about disagreeing with Target and defending the band for trying to reach a new audience...and now that some realize it's top 40 pop PJ is entering into, people are all of a sudden up in arms... How else is the band supposed to entice the teen generation? They've got to compete with the Jonas Bros!!


    jeanwah i've always respected your opinion and can understand why you feel a bit of disillusion with the perceived direction the might might be taking but tell me you didn't just compare pearl jam to the jonas brothers?

    i mean i know you're pissed but c'mon :mrgreen:
    No, no. I'm not comparing the two! (god, NO!) I'm saying that they'd be competing for their target audience of the younger generation who also happens to listen to Jonas Bros. Jonas would be their competition if they're really trying to reach out to the teen crowd. That's all. :geek:
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    PJammin'PJammin' Posts: 1,743

    This just in... soulsinging will be going to the bathroom a few times during the opening set, but not for the 'piss break' everyone around here loves so much.


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    Dan'sDiceDan'sDice Posts: 13
    Why is everyone so concerned about The Fixer being a pop song? Didn't this already happen with Last Kiss, regardless of it being a non-album cover song? I'd rather have The Fixer be the song that most people not into PJ recongnize rather than Last Kiss. Both are great songs IMO.
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    Jeanwah wrote:
    No, no. I'm not comparing the two! (god, NO!) I'm saying that they'd be competing for their target audience of the younger generation who also happens to listen to Jonas Bros. Jonas would be their competition if they're really trying to reach out to the teen crowd. That's all. :geek:


    Bubblegum pop, (bubblegum rock, bubblegum music) is a genre of popular music and/or rock and roll. As in the famous quote about pornography, it is difficult to define, but most people know it when they see (hear) it.

    Some of the defining characteristics of bubblegum songwriting include catchy or hummable melodies, simplistic three-chord structures, repetitive riffs or "hooks," and lyrical subject matter geared toward teenagers at its most mature; or even, at its most simplistic, small children only one step removed from nursery rhymes.

    :mrgreen:
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    normnorm I'm always home. I'm uncool. Posts: 31,147
    edited July 2009
    norm wrote:
    i mean i know you're pissed but c'mon :mrgreen:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    No, no. I'm not comparing the two! (god, NO!) I'm saying that they'd be competing for their target audience of the younger generation who also happens to listen to Jonas Bros. Jonas would be their competition if they're really trying to reach out to the teen crowd. That's all. :geek:

    :mrgreen:

    i figured you weren't but after today you never know ;)


    is it really wrong for the band to grow and expand their audience? i would rather the younger generation to get hooked on pearl jam than waste their teen years listening to the shite on pop radio now

    so if the fixer does this and it can reverse the years of crappy music that is being fed to today's youth, i'm ok with that :)


    i'm always shocked when everybody doesn't love this band ;):D
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    Gary CarterGary Carter Shea Stadium Posts: 13,940
    Jeanwah wrote:
    OMG, this has got to be the first time you and I are in agreement.

    All those times some people got on me about disagreeing with the Target partnership, people defending the band for trying to reach a new audience...and now that those some realize it's top 40 pop PJ is entering into, people are all of a sudden up in arms... How else is the band supposed to entice the teen generation? They've got to compete with the Jonas Bros!!
    hahahahahahahahaha, i cant stop from laughing. you're gonna make me crash while i drive to work. i don't mind the target deal its cool or ticketmaster prices but to me this song sounds like there competing with the jonas bros or nickleback.
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    JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    metsfan wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    OMG, this has got to be the first time you and I are in agreement.

    All those times some people got on me about disagreeing with the Target partnership, people defending the band for trying to reach a new audience...and now that those some realize it's top 40 pop PJ is entering into, people are all of a sudden up in arms... How else is the band supposed to entice the teen generation? They've got to compete with the Jonas Bros!!
    hahahahahahahahaha, i cant stop from laughing. you're gonna make me crash while i drive to work. i don't mind the target deal its cool or ticketmaster prices but to me this song sounds like there competing with the jonas bros or nickleback.
    Put the phone down and drive! Hell, walking and texting is dangerous!! :D
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    JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363

    Bubblegum pop, (bubblegum rock, bubblegum music) is a genre of popular music and/or rock and roll. As in the famous quote about pornography, it is difficult to define, but most people know it when they see (hear) it.

    Some of the defining characteristics of bubblegum songwriting include catchy or hummable melodies, simplistic three-chord structures, repetitive riffs or "hooks," and lyrical subject matter geared toward teenagers at its most mature; or even, at its most simplistic, small children only one step removed from nursery rhymes.

    :mrgreen:
    Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah! All it's missing is a few "She loves you"s
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    lukin14lukin14 Posts: 287
    the only album I totally fell in love with immediately was YIELD

    I like 99.95% of Pearl Jam songs, too..............

    I agree except it was Vs & Yield for me.


    it's funny.. i got hooked on Vs. in 1997.. (yup, late bloomer).. from the 1st second of the 1st song.. i nearly wore that cd out and went about picking up the rest..

    No Code was a struggle to wrap my head around.

    Yield was love at first listen all over again.

    Vitalogy took no time at all.

    Ten took some time.. didn't feel the same connection as I did to VS, Vitalogy & Yield..

    Binaural was fairly quick to get into.

    Riot Act was maybe a touch longer than Binaural

    Avocado was 1/2 fast & 1/2 slow..

    Overall No Code & Ten took me the longest to get into..
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    soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,208
    Jeanwah wrote:
    No, no. I'm not comparing the two! (god, NO!) I'm saying that they'd be competing for their target audience of the younger generation who also happens to listen to Jonas Bros. Jonas would be their competition if they're really trying to reach out to the teen crowd. That's all. :geek:


    Bubblegum pop, (bubblegum rock, bubblegum music) is a genre of popular music and/or rock and roll. As in the famous quote about pornography, it is difficult to define, but most people know it when they see (hear) it.

    Some of the defining characteristics of bubblegum songwriting include catchy or hummable melodies, simplistic three-chord structures, repetitive riffs or "hooks," and lyrical subject matter geared toward teenagers at its most mature; or even, at its most simplistic, small children only one step removed from nursery rhymes.

    :mrgreen:

    aka, the entire Beatles catalogue prior to Rubber Soul. And what's so awful about that? They had a lot of damn good songs in that period. And this song is in the same vein.
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    future crowd? :twisted: :mrgreen: :twisted:





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    JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Jeanwah wrote:
    No, no. I'm not comparing the two! (god, NO!) I'm saying that they'd be competing for their target audience of the younger generation who also happens to listen to Jonas Bros. Jonas would be their competition if they're really trying to reach out to the teen crowd. That's all. :geek:


    Bubblegum pop, (bubblegum rock, bubblegum music) is a genre of popular music and/or rock and roll. As in the famous quote about pornography, it is difficult to define, but most people know it when they see (hear) it.

    Some of the defining characteristics of bubblegum songwriting include catchy or hummable melodies, simplistic three-chord structures, repetitive riffs or "hooks," and lyrical subject matter geared toward teenagers at its most mature; or even, at its most simplistic, small children only one step removed from nursery rhymes.

    :mrgreen:

    aka, the entire Beatles catalogue prior to Rubber Soul. And what's so awful about that? They had a lot of damn good songs in that period. And this song is in the same vein.
    I agree, almost everything the Beatles put out was very good. But the entire catalogue prior to Rubber Soul was, indeed, considered bubblegum pop.
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,729
    future crowd? :twisted: :mrgreen: :twisted:





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    how the hell are they going to afford $90 tix?
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    soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,208
    edited July 2009
    future crowd? :twisted: :mrgreen: :twisted:

    I doubt that will happen, but if it can cut into the DMB fanbase and bring some of these fans over:

    370

    I'd be happy with that.
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    SOLAT319SOLAT319 Posts: 4,564
    sorry but at this stage in their careers i was expecting more forward progression..more No Code type..progressive, groundbreaking deep shit...

    Yeah, that's not gonna happen anymore
    can't wait to see what the rest of the album has to offer.

    The rest of the album offers "The End" which is just another subpar coffeehouse song.

    So far, only Got Some tickles my nausea...
    I have no patience for bad music and stupid people...

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    future crowd? :twisted: :mrgreen: :twisted:





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    how the hell are they going to afford $90 tix?

    i hear babysitting can be very lucrative :mrgreen: ...seriously..you do know the biggest consumer group are teenage girls right?
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    JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    future crowd? :twisted: :mrgreen: :twisted:

    how the hell are they going to afford $90 tix?

    i hear babysitting can be very lucrative :mrgreen: ...seriously..you do know the biggest consumer group are teenage girls right?
    Not to mention, rich parents...
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    LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    SOLAT319 wrote:
    sorry but at this stage in their careers i was expecting more forward progression..more No Code type..progressive, groundbreaking deep shit...

    Yeah, that's not gonna happen anymore
    can't wait to see what the rest of the album has to offer.

    The rest of the album offers "The End" which is just another subpar coffeehouse song.

    So far, only Got Some tickles my nausea...
    Ouch.. Speed of Sound and Unknown Thought are amazing! I love The End now but thought like you did for the first few listens..
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    KeiranKeiran Posts: 393
    Well, I don't know if I like bubblegum pop but I used to be quite fond of the Bay City Rollers.

    S A T U R D A Y NIGHT!!!!! :mrgreen:
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    SOLAT319SOLAT319 Posts: 4,564
    Ouch.. Speed of Sound and Unknown Thought are amazing! I love The End now but thought like you did for the first few listens..

    Those are just regular coffeehouse songs. I don't need coffeehouse songs from my favorite band. I need them to kick my musical ass each and every time.
    I have no patience for bad music and stupid people...

    The whole world will be different soon the whole world will be RELIEVED

    #resistgezi #resistturkey #resisttaksim #direnturkiye #direngezi
    #standingman #duranadam
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    Relax.. three of their best slower songs EVER will be on this album. Speed Of Sound/ Unknown Thought and The End.


    That is a bold statement.

    I highly doubt those 3 songs will be better then Immortality, Indifference and All or None.
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    LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Relax.. three of their best slower songs EVER will be on this album. Speed Of Sound/ Unknown Thought and The End.


    That is a bold statement.

    I highly doubt those 3 songs will be better then Immortality, Indifference and All or None.
    Definitely better than All or None.. close call with the others. I'll have to hear full band version and judge. Strong melody and lyrics though.
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    Definitely better than All or None.. close call with the others. I'll have to hear full band version and judge. Strong melody and lyrics though.

    All or None is the shit! and to say it's a close call with Immortality & Indifference is crazy! especially when it's only Ed solo boots you heard them on.
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    Bulldog88Bulldog88 Posts: 380
    Definitely better than All or None.. close call with the others. I'll have to hear full band version and judge. Strong melody and lyrics though.

    All or None is the shit! and to say it's a close call with Immortality & Indifference is crazy! especially when it's only Ed solo boots you heard them on.


    I heard all three songs in person and I can tell you The End and Unthought Known are amazing! I am not going to compare them to Immortality and Indifference. These two new songs will stand alone on thier own right. I only heard Speed of Sound once, but I definately feel it has this kind of potential also...in my opinion anyway, for what it's worth ;)
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    LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Definitely better than All or None.. close call with the others. I'll have to hear full band version and judge. Strong melody and lyrics though.

    All or None is the shit! and to say it's a close call with Immortality & Indifference is crazy! especially when it's only Ed solo boots you heard them on.
    Unknown Thought is very climatic. I love the build. It's like comparing apples with oranges to those songs. Speed of Sound is very good, almost "Black" good in my opinion.

    "But this night has been long
    waiting on a sun that never comes..

    a whisper in the dark
    is that you or just my thoughts
    wide awake and reaching out.

    Its all so quiet now
    could it be I'm farther out
    moving faster than the speed of sound."
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    SOLAT319SOLAT319 Posts: 4,564
    Relax.. three of their best slower songs EVER will be on this album. Speed Of Sound/ Unknown Thought and The End.


    That is a bold statement.

    I highly doubt those 3 songs will be better then Immortality, Indifference and All or None.

    Right, right and right again.
    I have no patience for bad music and stupid people...

    The whole world will be different soon the whole world will be RELIEVED

    #resistgezi #resistturkey #resisttaksim #direnturkiye #direngezi
    #standingman #duranadam
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