hey... you anti-huge corporation people who are freaking out

DP17

bring back SUP-POP RECORDS... every 1's gotta make a BUCK.. YIELD as eddie told u too do!!!!

if pearl jam continued to fight TICKETMASTER most of us would not be able to see them LIVE!!!

let target spend $cash$ it'll save us money on TICKETS TO PEARL JAM SHOWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

donald pastreck

slightofjeff

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Man it sucks when you become the "bad guy" in a some Pearl Jam thread as I have here.

It's not just this Target thing. It's the ticket prices. It's the huge Verizon text message screen at MSG last year. It's a dozen songs being used on a prime-time TV drama. It's the Rock Band game.

But whatever, let them do whatever they want. I'm always gonna buy their albums and go to their shows because I love their music. But unlike 10 years ago, the music is all like about them anymore.

If someone could explain to me how it is harmful that they teamed up with Target, or Verizon or that stupid Cold Case show, maybe I'd change my mind. But mostly, the answer is, "Pearl Jam never would have done this in 1995."

And you're right. They wouldn't have. But this isn't 1995 anymore. So what?

I kind of addressed this on another thread. I think, if people were being honest with themselves, the reason they have these knee-jerk reaction against these changes in Pearl Jam because it reminds us that it is not 1995 anymore. It reminds us that we are getting older.

And people don't like to get older.

I'm wondering if Ed had the same identity crisis when The Who liscensed like every single song in their catalogue to CSI. It's just what older bands do.

slightofjeff

Jeanwah wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

slightofjeff wrote:

Why do you think the times are desperate? Pearl Jam still seems pretty viable to me. Anytime you can sell out MSG two straight nights, you're probably doing OK for yourself.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So why the Target deal? Green Disease?

Bingo!! This band doesn't even need to produce another album to make money, all they have to do is tour ala the Grateful Dead way of making money. This is all about the money.

Ok. And, so?

Why is there such this huge backlash among some people in this country against making money? Like it's a sin to be rich?

Contrary to popular belief the song Green Disease is NOT against making money.

"There's nothing wrong with what you say ..."

It's against how SOME PEOPLE choose to make money ... by trampling on the backs of the poor ... weeds with big leaves stealing light from what's beneath.

Someone will have to explain to me how this TArget deal hurts anyone ... except for maybe Wal-Mart, which is something I thought the hemp-underwear wearing crowd would appreciate.

Anybody notice how the band explicity went out of its way to ensure the little guys -- ie independent record stores -- would still be able to sell the album?

Anyway ... some people just believe any store or company they've heard of just has to be evil ... some people want to believe the worst about everything ... some people just like to find reasons to bitch ... there's no arguing with some people.

PJBuckeye

DP17 wrote:

bring back SUP-POP RECORDS... every 1's gotta make a BUCK.. YIELD as eddie told u too do!!!!

if pearl jam continued to fight TICKETMASTER most of us would not be able to see them LIVE!!!

let target spend $cash$ it'll save us money on TICKETS TO PEARL JAM SHOWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

donald pastreck

Sub Pop is still around

samnation

Jeanwah wrote:

This band doesn't even need to produce another album to make money, all they have to do is tour ala the Grateful Dead way of making money. This is all about the money.

That implies to me that the only reason they record new music is to make money, which I disagree with. Pearl Jam are talented guys that create quality music. Each of them individually have had creative projects in between Pearl Jam releases. Clearly they want to keep creating new music.

Ledbetterman10

samnation wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

This band doesn't even need to produce another album to make money, all they have to do is tour ala the Grateful Dead way of making money. This is all about the money.

That implies to me that the only reason they record new music is to make money, which I disagree with. Pearl Jam are talented guys that create quality music. Each of them individually have had creative projects in between Pearl Jam releases. Clearly they want to keep creating new music.

They created new music with Binaural, Riot Act, and Avocado without any corporate sponsorship.

Jeanwah

samnation wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

This band doesn't even need to produce another album to make money, all they have to do is tour ala the Grateful Dead way of making money. This is all about the money.

That implies to me that the only reason they record new music is to make money, which I disagree with. Pearl Jam are talented guys that create quality music. Each of them individually have had creative projects in between Pearl Jam releases. Clearly they want to keep creating new music.

Not what I meant. I meant that they are partnering with Target to make money. Making music is artistic in itself, but when you go the extra mile to partner with a big-box corporate retailer, it's not about the music.

slightofjeff

samnation wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

This band doesn't even need to produce another album to make money, all they have to do is tour ala the Grateful Dead way of making money. This is all about the money.

That implies to me that the only reason they record new music is to make money, which I disagree with. Pearl Jam are talented guys that create quality music. Each of them individually have had creative projects in between Pearl Jam releases. Clearly they want to keep creating new music.

Yes, but they should travel from town to town via U-Haul to sell that new music, but not for cash, which is an instrument of the evil U.S. government. You should be able to barter for it, possibly using your hemp underwear.

Thorns2010

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

samnation wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

This band doesn't even need to produce another album to make money, all they have to do is tour ala the Grateful Dead way of making money. This is all about the money.

That implies to me that the only reason they record new music is to make money, which I disagree with. Pearl Jam are talented guys that create quality music. Each of them individually have had creative projects in between Pearl Jam releases. Clearly they want to keep creating new music.

They created new music with Binaural, Riot Act, and Avocado without any corporate sponsorship.

Really??? Who put out that album?? Pearl Jam themselves? No, it was *gasp* a record label called Sony, who happens to be *gasp* a corporation.

Jeanwah

Thorns2010 wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

They created new music with Binaural, Riot Act, and Avocado without any corporate sponsorship.

Really??? Who put out that album?? Pearl Jam themselves? No, it was *gasp* a record label called Sony

Did Sony sell those albums??? NO.

slightofjeff

Jeanwah wrote:

samnation wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

This band doesn't even need to produce another album to make money, all they have to do is tour ala the Grateful Dead way of making money. This is all about the money.

That implies to me that the only reason they record new music is to make money, which I disagree with. Pearl Jam are talented guys that create quality music. Each of them individually have had creative projects in between Pearl Jam releases. Clearly they want to keep creating new music.

Not what I meant. I meant that they are partnering with Target to make money. Making music is artistic in itself, but when you go the extra mile to partner with a big-box corporate retailer, it's not about the music.

I don't know if you know this ... but you could buy Ten in Target too. And Wal-Mart. And Best Buy. You know why?

Because Sony had a deal with all those people.

All this does is cut out the middle man ... as well as cut out other evil big box retailers ... which I figured you'd be all for.

Let me ask you this: If Pearl Jam did not have a deal to sell its upcoming self-produced CD at Target, how do you reckon we'd buy it? It would be in zero stores near you.

slightofjeff

Jeanwah wrote:

Thorns2010 wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

They created new music with Binaural, Riot Act, and Avocado without any corporate sponsorship.

Really??? Who put out that album?? Pearl Jam themselves? No, it was *gasp* a record label called Sony

Did Sony sell those albums??? NO.

Um ... yes they did. They sold them to Target. And Best Buy. And (horror of horrors!) Wal-Mart.

mfc2006

Binaural-Sony
Riot Act-Sony
Pearl Jam-J Records (sub of Sony)

Thorns2010

Jeanwah wrote:

Thorns2010 wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

They created new music with Binaural, Riot Act, and Avocado without any corporate sponsorship.

Really??? Who put out that album?? Pearl Jam themselves? No, it was *gasp* a record label called Sony

Did Sony sell those albums??? NO.

So.....Pearl Jam shipped them directly to the stores to sell??

No, Sony manufactured the album and then sold it to the stores.

norm

ugh! i really believe some of you like the band more for their image than their music...and that's sad

Ledbetterman10

All I know is if Green Day or Coldplay or whoever teamed up with Target.....you'd all be calling them corporate sell-outs.

mfc2006

norm wrote:

ugh! i really believe some of you like the band more for their image than their music...and that's sad

well said.

slightofjeff

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

All I know is if Green Day or Coldplay or whoever teamed up with Target.....you'd all be calling them corporate sell-outs.

Nah. I genuinely wouldn't have a problem with it. Especially if neither of those bands had record companies.

I think Green Day might be sell-outs for other reasons.

All this Target deal does for Pearl Jam is replace Sony in the equation. Target is their de facto record company. Somebody has to be in charge of distribution.

slightofjeff

norm wrote:

ugh! i really believe some of you like the band more for their image than their music...and that's sad

That is the fucking bingo post of all bingo posts my man. Well done.

Ledbetterman10

slightofjeff wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

All I know is if Green Day or Coldplay or whoever teamed up with Target.....you'd all be calling them corporate sell-outs.

Nah. I genuinely wouldn't have a problem with it. Especially if neither of those bands had record companies.

I think Green Day might be sell-outs for other reasons.

How can you say Green Day might be sell-outs and defend PJ at the same time? That Verizon text message screen at MSG last year was one of the biggest sell-out moves I've ever seen.

And I'm fine with the fact that they're sell-outs. Who cares? the music is still awesome. But don't deny that that's what they are.