ugh! i really believe some of you like the band more for their image than their music...and that's sad
"image" would imply fakeness...it's more we were like-minded in their ideology..and when they suddenly change it after 15+ years it is hypocritical...
for me.. i love the music...but it was the like-mindedness that made me an uber fan...that extra something that seperated them from all the other useless rock douche-bags out there!!! :twisted:
Ed likes Noam.. i now borrow all his books from the library
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
All I know is if Green Day or Coldplay or whoever teamed up with Target.....you'd all be calling them corporate sell-outs.
Nah. I genuinely wouldn't have a problem with it. Especially if neither of those bands had record companies.
I think Green Day might be sell-outs for other reasons.
How can you say Green Day might be sell-outs and defend PJ at the same time?
The whole "guyliner makeover" thing just doesn't sit right with me. That's the main thing.
That, and I thought the timing of their "let's bash Bush" album was a little curious ... it came out when Bush bashing was fashionable, not when Pearl Jam and the Dixie Chicks were getting death threats. But that might just be a coincidence.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
ugh! i really believe some of you like the band more for their image than their music...and that's sad
"image" would imply fakeness...it's more we were like-minded in their ideology..and when they suddenly change it after 15+ years it is hypocritical...
You sound young. Get back to me in 15 years and let me know if everything that is important to you now is as important to you then. I promise I won't call you a hypocrite.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
..and when they suddenly change it after 15+ years it is hypocritical...
Has the world stood still for the past 15 years? Are you the same person you were 15 years ago (rhetorical question as you were probably still sucking your thumb trying to get the round peg in the square hole...). The world around us has changed, people change, people adapt.
Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone.
If your time to you
Is worth savin'
Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'.
All I know is if Green Day or Coldplay or whoever teamed up with Target.....you'd all be calling them corporate sell-outs.
Nah. I genuinely wouldn't have a problem with it. Especially if neither of those bands had record companies.
I think Green Day might be sell-outs for other reasons.
That Verizon text message screen at MSG last year was one of the biggest sell-out moves I've ever seen.
So your definition of "sell out" is ... what? ... making money?
To me, when we're talking about music, selling out means sacrificing your artistic integrity -- ie, your music -- in order to make money. On the purest level, it means writing songs you don't believe in and you don't even like, in order to fit in with whatever the flavor of the month is.
You can sell out without ever taking a dime from Verizon or Target or whoever.
And, you can also taking money from Verizon and Target and the fucking Republican National Committee, and so long as your music stays pure, and you are writing songs you believe in, you are not a sell out.
When Target starts telling Pearl Jam what can and can't be on their record, then I'll start to think about the sell-out word.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
..and when they suddenly change it after 15+ years it is hypocritical...
Has the world stood still for the past 15 years? Are you the same person you were 15 years ago (rhetorical question as you were probably still sucking your thumb trying to get the round peg in the square hole...). The world around us has changed, people change, people adapt.
Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone.
If your time to you
Is worth savin'
Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'.
The times are a-changin' alright. Ticket prices were $35 in 2000 and they were $85 in 2008. and please don't say that it's just because of inflation.
..and when they suddenly change it after 15+ years it is hypocritical...
Has the world stood still for the past 15 years? Are you the same person you were 15 years ago (rhetorical question as you were probably still sucking your thumb trying to get the round peg in the square hole...). The world around us has changed, people change, people adapt.
Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone.
If your time to you
Is worth savin'
Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'.
The times are a-changin' alright. Ticket prices were $35 in 2000 and they were $85 in 2008. and please don't say that it's just because of inflation.
Nah. It's because Pearl Jam is a band for old people now. That's what happens when you get to that point. Your ticket prices go up.
See The Who. And The Stones. Etc Etc.
Also, all bands are more dependent upon touring to make their money these days than they were in 2000. Demise of the record industry and what not.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
So your definition of "sell out" is ... what? ... making money?
To me, when we're talking about music, selling out means sacrificing your artistic integrity -- ie, your music -- in order to make money. On the purest level, it means writing songs you don't believe in and you don't even like, in order to fit in with whatever the flavor of the month is.
You can sell out without ever taking a dime from Verizon or Target or whoever.
And, you can also taking money from Verizon and Target and the fucking Republican National Committee, and so long as your music stays pure, and you are writing songs you believe in, you are not a sell out.
When Target starts telling Pearl Jam what can and can't be on their record, then I'll start to think about the sell-out word.
You're contradicting yourself here because you said in an earlier post that Green Day wearing eyeliner made them sell-outs. But wearing eyeliner didn't make them sacrifice their artistic integrity musically. and I doubt they made any money by wearing eyeliner...unlike PJ who cashed in on the Verizon text message screen.
Nah. It's because Pearl Jam is a band for old people now. That's what happens when you get to that point. Your ticket prices go up.
See The Who. And The Stones. Etc Etc.
Also, all bands are more dependent upon touring to make their money these days than they were in 2000. Demise of the record industry and what not.
But The Who and The Rolling Stones never made it a point to be for the "little guy" as Pearl Jam has in the past. And I think that the reason that ticket prices started going way up in the 2000's is because that's when their album sales started going way down.
Really??? Who put out that album?? Pearl Jam themselves? No, it was *gasp* a record label called Sony
Did Sony sell those albums??? NO.
Um ... yes they did. They sold them to Target. And Best Buy. And (horror of horrors!) Wal-Mart.
Duh. See, this is the reason I don't like trying to reason with you, because you know what I'm talking about, yet like to twist it so it sounds like you don't.
ugh! i really believe some of you like the band more for their image than their music...and that's sad
"image" would imply fakeness...it's more we were like-minded in their ideology..and when they suddenly change it after 15+ years it is hypocritical...
for me.. i love the music...but it was the like-mindedness that made me an uber fan...that extra something that seperated them from all the other useless rock douche-bags out there!!! :twisted:
I really think that a lot of fans don't know what the band's social issues were all about. That's a big reason why I like them and respect them. But like Crazy Breed says, they suddenly decide to hop the fence and are suddenly not who they used to be. That's not simply image.
Sellout defined: the act of shooting a commercial for Target.
Just because Pearl Jam is selling out, it doesn't mean the music is going to suck or anything. They would never change their style to make money... at least I hope.
You sound young. Get back to me in 15 years and let me know if everything that is important to you now is as important to you then. I promise I won't call you a hypocrite.
no, i am not "young" and integrity will never cease to be important to me!!!
see..that's what happens when you assume..you make an ass out of you and you alone.
ugh! i really believe some of you like the band more for their image than their music...and that's sad
"image" would imply fakeness...it's more we were like-minded in their ideology..and when they suddenly change it after 15+ years it is hypocritical...
You sound young. Get back to me in 15 years and let me know if everything that is important to you now is as important to you then. I promise I won't call you a hypocrite.
You're the one who sounds very young here. You shop at Walmart first of all and don't have much social awareness at all. You also sound like you have no idea how to think for yourself: you let the TV tell you how to think, don't you?
Um ... yes they did. They sold them to Target. And Best Buy. And (horror of horrors!) Wal-Mart.
Duh. See, this is the reason I don't like trying to reason with you, because you know what I'm talking about, yet like to twist it so it sounds like you don't.
Sony did sell/distribute those records to those stores.. PJ had a contract with Sony who sold those records (obviously knowing how and were they would be distributed). PJ pocketed money from these deals. Here PJ cut the middle man (Sony). The deals are similar. If you're saying when PJ entered a contract with Sony (global corporation), they did not themselves(PJ or PJ corp.) talk to Target and arrange the deals - you may be right - that's what Sony was for. OK, here PJ corp. are dealing directly with Target and that's what bugs you? Is that the difference you are making? Thinking that maybe while a distribution company was making the deals, PJ were not directly involved and therefore stayed 'clean'?
You sound young. Get back to me in 15 years and let me know if everything that is important to you now is as important to you then. I promise I won't call you a hypocrite.
no, i am not "young" and integrity will never cease to be important to me!!!
see..that's what happens when you assume..you make an ass out of you and you alone.
What lacks integrity in the Target deal? PJ still has integrity. That is silly. If you imply that you must be a poor schmuck that never engages in a capitalistic transaction to maintain "integrity," then fuck integrity.
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Just as a bit of information, not sure if anyone will think it's important, but I do.
These are some of the people Pearl Jam are involved with.
And I personally think it's an excellent idea to work with people from the inside to seek change in our society. We can only try...and that's what activism is all about.
* Pacific Salmon Stronghold Conservation Act
* A note from our friend Andy Bernstein, founder of HeadCount
* National Day of Service
* Announcing the Launch of evergreenfilm.org!
* BODY OF WAR released on DVD
* Holiday Giving –Vitalogy Foundation and Pearl Jam Personal Contributions
* Pearl Jam: Vote for Change? 2004 Tour Film
* E-cycling
* Alternative News
* Carbon Portfolio
* Non-Profits
* Politics, What Now?
* Talk Back!
Non-Profits, Benefits and Organizations
This section of the site lists organizations that we support, financially or otherwise.
ANIMAL PROTECTION ORGANIZATIONS
* ASPCA
* Humane Society
* In Defense of Animals
* International Fund for Animal Welfare
* Oceana
* PETA
* Protect Seals
* Animal Legal Defense Fund
* Animal Protection Institute
ARTS AND EDUCATION ORGANIZATIONS
* 826 Seattle
* Arts Corps
* MOLO Care
* The Northwest School
* Northwest Literacy Foundation/Fill the Shelves in Public Schools Book Campaign
* Book Campaign
* Rock and Roll Camp for Girls
* VERA Project
HEALTH-RELATED ORGANIZATIONS
* Advocacy for Patients
* Crohn's and Colitis Foundation of America
* Lifelong AIDS Alliance
ENVIRONMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS
* Conservation International
* Environmental Careers Organization
* Honor the Earth
* Washington Wilderness Coalition
* American Solar Energy Society
* Bonneville Environmental Foundation
* Conservation International
* WA Clean Energy Initiative (with Jay Islee)
* Green Empowerment
* Honor the Earth (Native Community, Energy Projects, & Alternatives)
* Cascade Land Conservancy
* Islandwood
* Clif Green Notes
* Reverb
NATIVE AMERICAN HOUSING ORGANIZATIONS
* Native American Rights Fund
* The Red Feather Development Group
* Amnesty International
* CARE
* Concerned United Birthparents (CUB)
* Doctors Without Borders
* Save the Children
* Oxfam
* Project Hello
* West Memphis Three
2006 TOUR BENEFICIARIES
* 9 May Toronto
The White Ribbon Campaign
* 10 May Toronto
Sketch
* 12 May Albany
Grand Street Community Arts
* 14 May Hartford
Advocacy for Patients with Chronic Illness
* 24 May Boston
Horizons for Homeless Children
* 25 May Boston
ZUMIX
* 27 May Philadelphia
The Innocence Project
* 28 May Philadelphia
The Spiral Q Puppet Theater
* 30 May Washington, DC
Future of Music Coalition
* 1 June East Rutherford
The Community FoodBank of New Jersey
* 3 June East Rutherford
The Damien Echols Support Fund (WM3)
* 23 June Pittsburgh
* 24 June Cincinnati
Elementz: The Hip Hop Youth Arts Center
* 6 July Las Vegas
Cure Autism Now
* 7 July San Diego
The San Dieguito High School Academy Foundation
* 9&10 July Los Angeles
The Surfrider Foundation
* 13 July Santa Barbara
The Grassroots Organization
* 15 July San Francisco
Air Traffic Control
* 16 July San Francisco
The Edible Schoolyard
* 18 July San Francisco
The Youth Media Council
* 22-23 July George
Arts Corps
* 22-23 July George
826 Seattle
* 22-23 July George
The Vera Project
You have quite the amount of arrogance. I love how you lecture us on how we all are sheep. You tru;ly believe that you are smarter than everybody else. I will bah when I watch Billy Oh tonight.
Chicago 6/29/98 - Nashville 8/17/00 - Cleveland 4/25/03- Chicago 6/18/03
Chicago 5/16/06 - Milwaukee 6/30/06 - Bonnaroo 6/14/08 - Milwaukee (EV)8/19/08
Chicago 8/23/09 - St. Louis 5/4/10 - East Troy 9/3/11 - East Troy 9/4/11
Minor League Park 7/19/13 - Milwaukee 10-20-14 - Bonnaroo 6/11/16
Minor League Park 8/20/16 - Minor League Park 8/22/16 Minor League Park 8/18/18 - Minor League Park 8/20/18 - Los Angeles 4/16/20
This band doesn't even need to produce another album to make money, all they have to do is tour ala the Grateful Dead way of making money. This is all about the money.
That implies to me that the only reason they record new music is to make money, which I disagree with. Pearl Jam are talented guys that create quality music. Each of them individually have had creative projects in between Pearl Jam releases. Clearly they want to keep creating new music.
Yes, but they should travel from town to town via U-Haul to sell that new music, but not for cash, which is an instrument of the evil U.S. government. You should be able to barter for it, possibly using your hemp underwear.
i cannot believe that i actually appear 'in line' with the evidently evil, out-to-ruin-the-world corps in this discussion......everyone who knows me would laugh! however, in this discussion.....all of this simply makes sense. HOW ELSE are pearl jam to independently put out their own music?! can someone explain this to me? and ya know, it's not just about making $$$ for themselves, as individuals...they have a whole team of employees, who yea....not so rich as pj...and yea, i am sure they want to get paid for their efforts too. beyond which, they want to REACH their fans....ALL of them.....even the ones who aren';t fans yet. best way to do that is a distribution deal, and yea, a biggie. again, target seems the best fit out of who is out there. i think the fact that pj chose target BECAUSE target accepts pj wants indie stores to have their work too...speaks volumes about pj, in a good way. apparently i am in the minority there.
and hello....target is not walmart.....there IS a difference.
tho perhaps this all falls in line who think obama....mccain...same difference right? they're 'all the same' too...... :roll:
funny too....we are having this discussion on the internet....probably on microsoft, apple, or any of those big computer corp computers.....hahahahahaha. irony........
Sellout defined: the act of shooting a commercial for Target.
Just because Pearl Jam is selling out, it doesn't mean the music is going to suck or anything. They would never change their style to make money... at least I hope.
From what I understand, and I might be wrong, the commericial isn't FOR Target ("Come to Target for your toilet paper and other knick knacks!") ... The commercial is for "Backspacer," which happens to be available at Target.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
funny too....we are having this discussion on the internet....probably on microsoft, apple, or any of those big computer corp computers.....hahahahahaha. irony........
So your definition of "sell out" is ... what? ... making money?
To me, when we're talking about music, selling out means sacrificing your artistic integrity -- ie, your music -- in order to make money. On the purest level, it means writing songs you don't believe in and you don't even like, in order to fit in with whatever the flavor of the month is.
You can sell out without ever taking a dime from Verizon or Target or whoever.
And, you can also taking money from Verizon and Target and the fucking Republican National Committee, and so long as your music stays pure, and you are writing songs you believe in, you are not a sell out.
When Target starts telling Pearl Jam what can and can't be on their record, then I'll start to think about the sell-out word.
You're contradicting yourself here because you said in an earlier post that Green Day wearing eyeliner made them sell-outs. But wearing eyeliner didn't make them sacrifice their artistic integrity musically. and I doubt they made any money by wearing eyeliner...unlike PJ who cashed in on the Verizon text message screen.
And I personally think it's an excellent idea to work with people from the inside to seek change in our society. We can only try...and that's what activism is all about.
exactly.
work the system to change the system.
redrock, getting my yogurt for 62 cents as opposed to 99 cents....also a necessary evil i say.
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"image" would imply fakeness...it's more we were like-minded in their ideology..and when they suddenly change it after 15+ years it is hypocritical...
for me.. i love the music...but it was the like-mindedness that made me an uber fan...that extra something that seperated them from all the other useless rock douche-bags out there!!! :twisted:
"hey norm.. i couldnt agree more"
Noam Chomsky - 1998 ©
Ed likes Noam.. i now borrow all his books from the library
The whole "guyliner makeover" thing just doesn't sit right with me. That's the main thing.
That, and I thought the timing of their "let's bash Bush" album was a little curious ... it came out when Bush bashing was fashionable, not when Pearl Jam and the Dixie Chicks were getting death threats. But that might just be a coincidence.
for the least they could possibly do
You sound young. Get back to me in 15 years and let me know if everything that is important to you now is as important to you then. I promise I won't call you a hypocrite.
for the least they could possibly do
Has the world stood still for the past 15 years? Are you the same person you were 15 years ago (rhetorical question as you were probably still sucking your thumb trying to get the round peg in the square hole...). The world around us has changed, people change, people adapt.
Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone.
If your time to you
Is worth savin'
Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'.
So your definition of "sell out" is ... what? ... making money?
To me, when we're talking about music, selling out means sacrificing your artistic integrity -- ie, your music -- in order to make money. On the purest level, it means writing songs you don't believe in and you don't even like, in order to fit in with whatever the flavor of the month is.
You can sell out without ever taking a dime from Verizon or Target or whoever.
And, you can also taking money from Verizon and Target and the fucking Republican National Committee, and so long as your music stays pure, and you are writing songs you believe in, you are not a sell out.
When Target starts telling Pearl Jam what can and can't be on their record, then I'll start to think about the sell-out word.
for the least they could possibly do
The times are a-changin' alright. Ticket prices were $35 in 2000 and they were $85 in 2008. and please don't say that it's just because of inflation.
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
Nah. It's because Pearl Jam is a band for old people now. That's what happens when you get to that point. Your ticket prices go up.
See The Who. And The Stones. Etc Etc.
Also, all bands are more dependent upon touring to make their money these days than they were in 2000. Demise of the record industry and what not.
for the least they could possibly do
Of course not just inflation, everything has massively gone up... goods, gas, electricity, salaries, etc.
You're contradicting yourself here because you said in an earlier post that Green Day wearing eyeliner made them sell-outs. But wearing eyeliner didn't make them sacrifice their artistic integrity musically. and I doubt they made any money by wearing eyeliner...unlike PJ who cashed in on the Verizon text message screen.
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
But The Who and The Rolling Stones never made it a point to be for the "little guy" as Pearl Jam has in the past. And I think that the reason that ticket prices started going way up in the 2000's is because that's when their album sales started going way down.
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
Just because Pearl Jam is selling out, it doesn't mean the music is going to suck or anything. They would never change their style to make money... at least I hope.
no, i am not "young" and integrity will never cease to be important to me!!!
see..that's what happens when you assume..you make an ass out of you and you alone.
Sony did sell/distribute those records to those stores.. PJ had a contract with Sony who sold those records (obviously knowing how and were they would be distributed). PJ pocketed money from these deals. Here PJ cut the middle man (Sony). The deals are similar. If you're saying when PJ entered a contract with Sony (global corporation), they did not themselves (PJ or PJ corp.) talk to Target and arrange the deals - you may be right - that's what Sony was for. OK, here PJ corp. are dealing directly with Target and that's what bugs you? Is that the difference you are making? Thinking that maybe while a distribution company was making the deals, PJ were not directly involved and therefore stayed 'clean'?
What lacks integrity in the Target deal? PJ still has integrity. That is silly. If you imply that you must be a poor schmuck that never engages in a capitalistic transaction to maintain "integrity," then fuck integrity.
Chicago 5/16/06 - Milwaukee 6/30/06 - Bonnaroo 6/14/08 - Milwaukee (EV)8/19/08
Chicago 8/23/09 - St. Louis 5/4/10 - East Troy 9/3/11 - East Troy 9/4/11
Minor League Park 7/19/13 - Milwaukee 10-20-14 - Bonnaroo 6/11/16
Minor League Park 8/20/16 - Minor League Park 8/22/16
Minor League Park 8/18/18 - Minor League Park 8/20/18 - Los Angeles 4/16/20
These are some of the people Pearl Jam are involved with.
And I personally think it's an excellent idea to work with people from the inside to seek change in our society. We can only try...and that's what activism is all about.
xo
http://www.pearljam.com/activism/non-pr ... anizations
Activism
* Pacific Salmon Stronghold Conservation Act
* A note from our friend Andy Bernstein, founder of HeadCount
* National Day of Service
* Announcing the Launch of evergreenfilm.org!
* BODY OF WAR released on DVD
* Holiday Giving –Vitalogy Foundation and Pearl Jam Personal Contributions
* Pearl Jam: Vote for Change? 2004 Tour Film
* E-cycling
* Alternative News
* Carbon Portfolio
* Non-Profits
* Politics, What Now?
* Talk Back!
Non-Profits, Benefits and Organizations
This section of the site lists organizations that we support, financially or otherwise.
ANIMAL PROTECTION ORGANIZATIONS
* ASPCA
* Humane Society
* In Defense of Animals
* International Fund for Animal Welfare
* Oceana
* PETA
* Protect Seals
* Animal Legal Defense Fund
* Animal Protection Institute
ARTS AND EDUCATION ORGANIZATIONS
* 826 Seattle
* Arts Corps
* MOLO Care
* The Northwest School
* Northwest Literacy Foundation/Fill the Shelves in Public Schools Book Campaign
* Book Campaign
* Rock and Roll Camp for Girls
* VERA Project
HEALTH-RELATED ORGANIZATIONS
* Advocacy for Patients
* Crohn's and Colitis Foundation of America
* Lifelong AIDS Alliance
ENVIRONMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS
* Conservation International
* Environmental Careers Organization
* Honor the Earth
* Washington Wilderness Coalition
* American Solar Energy Society
* Bonneville Environmental Foundation
* Conservation International
* WA Clean Energy Initiative (with Jay Islee)
* Green Empowerment
* Honor the Earth (Native Community, Energy Projects, & Alternatives)
* Cascade Land Conservancy
* Islandwood
* Clif Green Notes
* Reverb
NATIVE AMERICAN HOUSING ORGANIZATIONS
* Native American Rights Fund
* The Red Feather Development Group
WOMEN'S ISSUES ORGANIZATIONS
* Choice USA
* www.feministmajority.org
* www.plannedparenthood.org
* www.now.org
* www.naral.org
* Home Alive
ARTIST RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS
* Future of Music Coalition
* Air Traffic Control
HUMAN RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS
* Amnesty International
* CARE
* Concerned United Birthparents (CUB)
* Doctors Without Borders
* Save the Children
* Oxfam
* Project Hello
* West Memphis Three
2006 TOUR BENEFICIARIES
* 9 May Toronto
The White Ribbon Campaign
* 10 May Toronto
Sketch
* 12 May Albany
Grand Street Community Arts
* 14 May Hartford
Advocacy for Patients with Chronic Illness
* 24 May Boston
Horizons for Homeless Children
* 25 May Boston
ZUMIX
* 27 May Philadelphia
The Innocence Project
* 28 May Philadelphia
The Spiral Q Puppet Theater
* 30 May Washington, DC
Future of Music Coalition
* 1 June East Rutherford
The Community FoodBank of New Jersey
* 3 June East Rutherford
The Damien Echols Support Fund (WM3)
* 23 June Pittsburgh
* 24 June Cincinnati
Elementz: The Hip Hop Youth Arts Center
* 6 July Las Vegas
Cure Autism Now
* 7 July San Diego
The San Dieguito High School Academy Foundation
* 9&10 July Los Angeles
The Surfrider Foundation
* 13 July Santa Barbara
The Grassroots Organization
* 15 July San Francisco
Air Traffic Control
* 16 July San Francisco
The Edible Schoolyard
* 18 July San Francisco
The Youth Media Council
* 22-23 July George
Arts Corps
* 22-23 July George
826 Seattle
* 22-23 July George
The Vera Project
You have quite the amount of arrogance. I love how you lecture us on how we all are sheep. You tru;ly believe that you are smarter than everybody else. I will bah when I watch Billy Oh tonight.
Chicago 5/16/06 - Milwaukee 6/30/06 - Bonnaroo 6/14/08 - Milwaukee (EV)8/19/08
Chicago 8/23/09 - St. Louis 5/4/10 - East Troy 9/3/11 - East Troy 9/4/11
Minor League Park 7/19/13 - Milwaukee 10-20-14 - Bonnaroo 6/11/16
Minor League Park 8/20/16 - Minor League Park 8/22/16
Minor League Park 8/18/18 - Minor League Park 8/20/18 - Los Angeles 4/16/20
i cannot believe that i actually appear 'in line' with the evidently evil, out-to-ruin-the-world corps in this discussion......everyone who knows me would laugh!
and hello....target is not walmart.....there IS a difference.
tho perhaps this all falls in line who think obama....mccain...same difference right? they're 'all the same' too...... :roll:
funny too....we are having this discussion on the internet....probably on microsoft, apple, or any of those big computer corp computers.....hahahahahaha. irony........
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
From what I understand, and I might be wrong, the commericial isn't FOR Target ("Come to Target for your toilet paper and other knick knacks!") ... The commercial is for "Backspacer," which happens to be available at Target.
for the least they could possibly do
Yeah but........ necessary evil those!!!!
I bet you will PJBrowneye..i bet you will.
You're contradicting yourself here because you said in an earlier post that Green Day wearing eyeliner made them sell-outs. But wearing eyeliner didn't make them sacrifice their artistic integrity musically. and I doubt they made any money by wearing eyeliner...unlike PJ who cashed in on the Verizon text message screen.
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
exactly.
work the system to change the system.
redrock, getting my yogurt for 62 cents as opposed to 99 cents....also a necessary evil i say.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
if you've never stood foot in a corporate store, but you're against it, then isn't that just being closed minded?
know your enemy!