hey... you anti-huge corporation people who are freaking out

U R A Crazy Breed

PJBuckeye wrote:

Well when you start discussing stickin it in another man's behind, I can only assume.

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??!!!! :? :? :?

Thorns2010

NewJPage wrote:

http://www.alternet.org/workplace/35610/

Alright, I'm going to say it now. I am so fucking sick of this kind of bullshit!

Ummm.....hello? Its a fucking high school job. You aren't SUPPOSE to be making good money at Target or Wal-Mart at the grunt level.

I've worked at Target, and while yeah I had complaints about my wage at what not, I realized I was just a low level stock boy. I swear all these sites that bitch and moan about how Target or Wal-Mart pay their employees shit only talk to the grunt level worker.

I know for a fact that at the store I worked at the supervisors AKA Team Leads made a minimum of $12 an hour. And the store manager of my store was making damn near $100,000 a year.

But that doesn't sell newspapers.....errrrr bring people into the website. So lets go talk to the guy who works there part-time as an after school job, or talk to the kid who dropped out of college and see how much he is making. And then we can make broad generalizations about the entire company.

slightofjeff

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

I think that this Target deal is a pathetic attempt to sell more records. Radiohead they are not.

But hey, it's smart business to do this. Avocado, Riot Act, Binaural, Yield, and No Code COMBINED have sold less than VS. I want to believe that this Target deal is an attempt to get the music to the masses.....but I think it's a ploy to make more money.

Or maybe it's just because they "love and adore" Target as Kelly Curtis has put it.

How is it pathetic?

Irish Al

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

Drew263 wrote:

Funny thing is...Pearl Jam is a corporation.

Sure is....

and...

They sell $200 poster books to their fans....
$150 re-mastered albums....
$50 posters...
baby clothes.......
more t-shirts than the band KISS.....

etc.
etc.
etc....

And Pearl Jam fans have NO PROBLEM handing over thousands and thousands of $$$$$$$$$$$ to their FAN CLUB............

and yet....

Those same fans get bent out of shape because Pearl Jam strikes a deal with Target????

And it has to be said...by buying from 10C, we usually pay more for the goods than we do when we buy elsewhere 1(which I choose wholeheardly to do and of my own free will, as I want as much of the money I spend on PJ to go directly to PJ ) Over the last number of years I have paid more for tix from 10C than through Ticketbastard, paid more for cd's/dvd's from 10C than my local retailer etc. So dont make out that PJ are the saviours of the free world, they deserve to get as much money from their product as they can get and I do remember reading an interview with Jeff not too long ago where he pointed out that with the royalties from 10 and vs, the band felt very uncomfortable with the amounts of money they made so they jointly decided to give shitloads of it away, and he went on to say that now they feel that they deserve to keep the money they earn (or words to that effect).

And I will go back to what I said in my first post in this thread....SONY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Get off your fucking moral highhorses and either support the band you 'love' or dont. This Target deal gives the band the freedom to sell in local shops etc so what it the big fucking problem :evil:

decides2dream

slightofjeff wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

I think that this Target deal is a pathetic attempt to sell more records. Radiohead they are not.

But hey, it's smart business to do this. Avocado, Riot Act, Binaural, Yield, and No Code COMBINED have sold less than VS. I want to believe that this Target deal is an attempt to get the music to the masses.....but I think it's a ploy to make more money.
Or maybe it's just because they "love and adore" Target as Kelly Curtis has put it.

How is it pathetic?

even better question....why can't this deal be about an attempt to get the music to the masses.....AND a ploy to make more money....wtf is wrong with that? honestly, who in the hell in their career DOESN'T try to make more $$$? rich or no......people always work harder to provide for their future, their families...their livlihood. cmon now......are pj held to a higher standard than the rest of us? should their musical pursuits be 100% altruistic, only to share with the masses, and not ALSO b/c they want to make a good living, be rewarded for their creativity, and sure.....ALSO provide for ALL the people who WORK for them, their livlihoods, retention, etc. i simply do not understand. pj is doing the best they can to BALANCE their own needs, the needs/desires of their fans...and sure....the greater community at large. they can only work within the confines of our times, make the best decisions they can on what is 'out there' right now, etc.

Ledbetterman10

slightofjeff wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

I think that this Target deal is a pathetic attempt to sell more records. Radiohead they are not.

But hey, it's smart business to do this. Avocado, Riot Act, Binaural, Yield, and No Code COMBINED have sold less than VS. I want to believe that this Target deal is an attempt to get the music to the masses.....but I think it's a ploy to make more money.

Or maybe it's just because they "love and adore" Target as Kelly Curtis has put it.

How is it pathetic?

Because it comes off (to me) as a "desperate times call for desperate measures" technique.

I dunno, Kelly Curtis saying "they love and adore Target" struck me the wrong way. Like he's towing the company line as they say.

PJBuckeye

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

PJBuckeye wrote:

Well when you start discussing stickin it in another man's behind, I can only assume.

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??!!!! :? :? :?

Why else would I bite down on something?

U R A Crazy Breed

PJBuckeye wrote:

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

PJBuckeye wrote:

Well when you start discussing stickin it in another man's behind, I can only assume.

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??!!!! :? :? :?

Why else would I bite down on something?

when people get mad they grind their teeth...wow....ass fuck never in a million years came to mind...you don't live down south in the woods do you?

samnation

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

slightofjeff wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

I think that this Target deal is a pathetic attempt to sell more records. Radiohead they are not.

But hey, it's smart business to do this. Avocado, Riot Act, Binaural, Yield, and No Code COMBINED have sold less than VS. I want to believe that this Target deal is an attempt to get the music to the masses.....but I think it's a ploy to make more money.

Or maybe it's just because they "love and adore" Target as Kelly Curtis has put it.

How is it pathetic?

Because it comes off (to me) as a "desperate times call for desperate measures" technique.

I dunno, Kelly Curtis saying "they love and adore Target" struck me the wrong way. Like he's towing the company line as they say.

I believe Curtis was speaking about their relationship with Target in the context of Target not having an issue with Pearl Jam releasing their music through the Coalition of Independent Music Stores (CIMS) and the Ten Club. And keep in mind that Pearl Jam still retains full ownership of their master recordings, image, etc. This is just a distribution deal to get their CD in to one of the 3 nationwide retail stores that actually still sell music in 2009. Good for Pearl Jam that they are able to cut out the record label middleman who DOES want to own their masters and exploit their catalog.

decides2dream

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

slightofjeff wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

I think that this Target deal is a pathetic attempt to sell more records. Radiohead they are not.

But hey, it's smart business to do this. Avocado, Riot Act, Binaural, Yield, and No Code COMBINED have sold less than VS. I want to believe that this Target deal is an attempt to get the music to the masses.....but I think it's a ploy to make more money.

Or maybe it's just because they "love and adore" Target as Kelly Curtis has put it.

How is it pathetic?

Because it comes off (to me) as a "desperate times call for desperate measures" technique.

I dunno, Kelly Curtis saying "they love and adore Target" struck me the wrong way. Like he's towing the company line as they say.

really?
obviously it's all our own inference and all....but really, i personally think that it is simply b/c they are SELF-producing/promoting/distributing this album, a first for them....it's simply more DIRECT. before, anything else that went on to promote their album, one would say 'oh it's the record label' etc......but now, we know it's 10c/pj making all these decisions. thing of it is, how ELSE are they supposed to get their music OUT THERE? shall they ONLY distribute to indie shops - a guarantee of failure - only online - alienate some fans - etc - etc...? they are doing this on their OWN, they have to make these decisions to remain viable, for their fans, and yes...for THEMselves. that isn't 'desperate' that's business. muscians, like all creative people....always have to balance ART with COMMERCE.

and seriously, wtf is wrong with loving/adoring target? :P i said as much earlier...but as 'big retail corps' go.....target is a pretty 'ideal' partner for pj. obviously they are BIG...but they DO give back, a LOT, to the communities they profit from.....sounds quite a good fit for pj.


i simply see it as pj being realistic, and working within the times, balance, as best they can...

samnation wrote:

I believe Curtis was speaking about their relationship with Target in the context of Target not having an issue with Pearl Jam releasing their music through the Coalition of Independent Music Stores (CIMS) and the Ten Club. And keep in mind that Pearl Jam still retains full ownership of their master recordings, image, etc. This is just a distribution deal to get their CD in to one of the 3 nationwide retail stores that actually still sell music in 2009. Good for Pearl Jam that they are able to cut out the record label middleman who DOES want to own their masters and exploit their catalog.

another excellent point. target seems like they were the most flexible, least demanding, of the partnership.....and it's still win-win for them both.

mfc2006

well put, d2d. i personally have no issue with what they're doing & don't understand why everyone is freaking out. as a musician myself, when my old band recorded/produced/distributed our 6 song EP, it was a bitch to do it ourselves. and we're not even close to PJ. PJ=big leagues, US=Tee Ball.

it was hard work and we only had 3500 copies to distribute. self-promotion/distribution is tough. i'd rather them work with a company like target that does give back a bit. just my $0.02!

slightofjeff

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

slightofjeff wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

I think that this Target deal is a pathetic attempt to sell more records. Radiohead they are not.

But hey, it's smart business to do this. Avocado, Riot Act, Binaural, Yield, and No Code COMBINED have sold less than VS. I want to believe that this Target deal is an attempt to get the music to the masses.....but I think it's a ploy to make more money.

Or maybe it's just because they "love and adore" Target as Kelly Curtis has put it.

How is it pathetic?

Because it comes off (to me) as a "desperate times call for desperate measures" technique.

Why do you think the times are desperate? Pearl Jam still seems pretty viable to me. Anytime you can sell out MSG two straight nights, you're probably doing OK for yourself.

I don't think you really have a clear picture regarding the ins and outs of this thing.

Ledbetterman10

slightofjeff wrote:

How is it pathetic?

Because it comes off (to me) as a "desperate times call for desperate measures" technique. [/quote]

Why do you think the times are desperate? Pearl Jam still seems pretty viable to me. Anytime you can sell out MSG two straight nights, you're probably doing OK for yourself.[/quote]


EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So why the Target deal? Green Disease?

PJBuckeye

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

when people get mad they grind their teeth...wow....ass fuck never in a million years came to mind...you don't live down south in the woods do you?

Oh, i see. Not much of a southern boy. Damn SEC.

mfc2006

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

So why the Target deal? Green Disease?

To help distribute their music, that's how I see it. It's not greed. They tried a one-off with J records & decided that they wanted to do something different. Do you think that J Records didn't pay the band for those distribution rights?

slightofjeff

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

slightofjeff wrote:

How is it pathetic?

Because it comes off (to me) as a "desperate times call for desperate measures" technique.

Why do you think the times are desperate? Pearl Jam still seems pretty viable to me. Anytime you can sell out MSG two straight nights, you're probably doing OK for yourself.[/quote]


EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So why the Target deal? Green Disease?[/quote]

Apparently, you don't understand the song Green Disease, either. Excellent.

Why Target? Do I really have to regurgitate this whole thread? You're a big boy (I assume). You can handle some light reading.

Jeanwah

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

slightofjeff wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

I think that this Target deal is a pathetic attempt to sell more records. Radiohead they are not.

But hey, it's smart business to do this. Avocado, Riot Act, Binaural, Yield, and No Code COMBINED have sold less than VS. I want to believe that this Target deal is an attempt to get the music to the masses.....but I think it's a ploy to make more money.

Or maybe it's just because they "love and adore" Target as Kelly Curtis has put it.

How is it pathetic?

Because it comes off (to me) as a "desperate times call for desperate measures" technique.

I dunno, Kelly Curtis saying "they love and adore Target" struck me the wrong way. Like he's towing the company line as they say.

Of course the band is now in bed with Target, might as well show the love...if you want to really call it "love".

Ledbetterman10

Man it sucks when you become the "bad guy" in a some Pearl Jam thread as I have here.

It's not just this Target thing. It's the ticket prices. It's the huge Verizon text message screen at MSG last year. It's a dozen songs being used on a prime-time TV drama. It's the Rock Band game.

But whatever, let them do whatever they want. I'm always gonna buy their albums and go to their shows because I love their music. But unlike 10 years ago, the music is all like about them anymore.

mfc2006

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Man it sucks when you become the "bad guy" in a some Pearl Jam thread as I have here.

you're not the bad guy. i was just trying to get another perspective out there.

Jeanwah

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

slightofjeff wrote:

Why do you think the times are desperate? Pearl Jam still seems pretty viable to me. Anytime you can sell out MSG two straight nights, you're probably doing OK for yourself.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So why the Target deal? Green Disease?

Bingo!! This band doesn't even need to produce another album to make money, all they have to do is tour ala the Grateful Dead way of making money. This is all about the money. If this was truly about the music, they wouldn't care about marketing strategies.