hey... you anti-huge corporation people who are freaking out

Kat

Just as a bit of information, not sure if anyone will think it's important, but I do.

These are some of the people Pearl Jam are involved with.

And I personally think it's an excellent idea to work with people from the inside to seek change in our society. We can only try...and that's what activism is all about.

xo

http://www.pearljam.com/activism/non-pr ... anizations


Activism

* Pacific Salmon Stronghold Conservation Act
* A note from our friend Andy Bernstein, founder of HeadCount
* National Day of Service
* Announcing the Launch of evergreenfilm.org!
* BODY OF WAR released on DVD
* Holiday Giving –Vitalogy Foundation and Pearl Jam Personal Contributions
* Pearl Jam: Vote for Change? 2004 Tour Film
* E-cycling
* Alternative News
* Carbon Portfolio
* Non-Profits
* Politics, What Now?
* Talk Back!

Non-Profits, Benefits and Organizations

This section of the site lists organizations that we support, financially or otherwise.
ANIMAL PROTECTION ORGANIZATIONS

* ASPCA
* Humane Society
* In Defense of Animals
* International Fund for Animal Welfare
* Oceana
* PETA
* Protect Seals
* Animal Legal Defense Fund
* Animal Protection Institute

ARTS AND EDUCATION ORGANIZATIONS

* 826 Seattle
* Arts Corps
* MOLO Care
* The Northwest School
* Northwest Literacy Foundation/Fill the Shelves in Public Schools Book Campaign
* Book Campaign
* Rock and Roll Camp for Girls
* VERA Project

HEALTH-RELATED ORGANIZATIONS

* Advocacy for Patients
* Crohn's and Colitis Foundation of America
* Lifelong AIDS Alliance

ENVIRONMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS

* Conservation International
* Environmental Careers Organization
* Honor the Earth
* Washington Wilderness Coalition
* American Solar Energy Society
* Bonneville Environmental Foundation
* Conservation International
* WA Clean Energy Initiative (with Jay Islee)
* Green Empowerment
* Honor the Earth (Native Community, Energy Projects, & Alternatives)
* Cascade Land Conservancy
* Islandwood
* Clif Green Notes
* Reverb

NATIVE AMERICAN HOUSING ORGANIZATIONS

* Native American Rights Fund
* The Red Feather Development Group

WOMEN'S ISSUES ORGANIZATIONS

* Choice USA
* www.feministmajority.org
* www.plannedparenthood.org
* www.now.org
* www.naral.org
* Home Alive

ARTIST RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS

* Future of Music Coalition
* Air Traffic Control

HUMAN RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS

* Amnesty International
* CARE
* Concerned United Birthparents (CUB)
* Doctors Without Borders
* Save the Children
* Oxfam
* Project Hello
* West Memphis Three

2006 TOUR BENEFICIARIES

* 9 May Toronto
The White Ribbon Campaign
* 10 May Toronto
Sketch
* 12 May Albany
Grand Street Community Arts
* 14 May Hartford
Advocacy for Patients with Chronic Illness
* 24 May Boston
Horizons for Homeless Children
* 25 May Boston
ZUMIX
* 27 May Philadelphia
The Innocence Project
* 28 May Philadelphia
The Spiral Q Puppet Theater
* 30 May Washington, DC
Future of Music Coalition
* 1 June East Rutherford
The Community FoodBank of New Jersey
* 3 June East Rutherford
The Damien Echols Support Fund (WM3)
* 23 June Pittsburgh
* 24 June Cincinnati
Elementz: The Hip Hop Youth Arts Center
* 6 July Las Vegas
Cure Autism Now
* 7 July San Diego
The San Dieguito High School Academy Foundation
* 9&10 July Los Angeles
The Surfrider Foundation
* 13 July Santa Barbara
The Grassroots Organization
* 15 July San Francisco
Air Traffic Control
* 16 July San Francisco
The Edible Schoolyard
* 18 July San Francisco
The Youth Media Council
* 22-23 July George
Arts Corps
* 22-23 July George
826 Seattle
* 22-23 July George
The Vera Project

PJBuckeye

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

You have quite the amount of arrogance. I love how you lecture us on how we all are sheep. You tru;ly believe that you are smarter than everybody else. I will bah when I watch Billy Oh tonight.

redrock

Ah Kat.... pops in to give us a reality check every once in a while!

decides2dream

slightofjeff wrote:

samnation wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

This band doesn't even need to produce another album to make money, all they have to do is tour ala the Grateful Dead way of making money. This is all about the money.

That implies to me that the only reason they record new music is to make money, which I disagree with. Pearl Jam are talented guys that create quality music. Each of them individually have had creative projects in between Pearl Jam releases. Clearly they want to keep creating new music.

Yes, but they should travel from town to town via U-Haul to sell that new music, but not for cash, which is an instrument of the evil U.S. government. You should be able to barter for it, possibly using your hemp underwear.

i cannot believe that i actually appear 'in line' with the evidently evil, out-to-ruin-the-world corps in this discussion......everyone who knows me would laugh! however, in this discussion.....all of this simply makes sense. HOW ELSE are pearl jam to independently put out their own music?! can someone explain this to me? and ya know, it's not just about making $$$ for themselves, as individuals...they have a whole team of employees, who yea....not so rich as pj...and yea, i am sure they want to get paid for their efforts too. beyond which, they want to REACH their fans....ALL of them.....even the ones who aren';t fans yet. best way to do that is a distribution deal, and yea, a biggie. again, target seems the best fit out of who is out there. i think the fact that pj chose target BECAUSE target accepts pj wants indie stores to have their work too...speaks volumes about pj, in a good way. apparently i am in the minority there.


and hello....target is not walmart.....there IS a difference.
tho perhaps this all falls in line who think obama....mccain...same difference right? they're 'all the same' too...... :roll:



funny too....we are having this discussion on the internet....probably on microsoft, apple, or any of those big computer corp computers.....hahahahahaha. irony........

slightofjeff

Lostdogsinthegarden wrote:

Sellout defined: the act of shooting a commercial for Target.

Just because Pearl Jam is selling out, it doesn't mean the music is going to suck or anything. They would never change their style to make money... at least I hope.

From what I understand, and I might be wrong, the commericial isn't FOR Target ("Come to Target for your toilet paper and other knick knacks!") ... The commercial is for "Backspacer," which happens to be available at Target.

redrock

decides2dream wrote:

funny too....we are having this discussion on the internet....probably on microsoft, apple, or any of those big computer corp computers.....hahahahahaha. irony........

Yeah but........ necessary evil those!!!!

U R A Crazy Breed

PJBuckeye wrote:

I will bah when I watch Billy Oh tonight.

I bet you will PJBrowneye..i bet you will.

Ledbetterman10

I'm reposting this because I want your response.

slightofjeff wrote:

So your definition of "sell out" is ... what? ... making money?

To me, when we're talking about music, selling out means sacrificing your artistic integrity -- ie, your music -- in order to make money. On the purest level, it means writing songs you don't believe in and you don't even like, in order to fit in with whatever the flavor of the month is.

You can sell out without ever taking a dime from Verizon or Target or whoever.

And, you can also taking money from Verizon and Target and the fucking Republican National Committee, and so long as your music stays pure, and you are writing songs you believe in, you are not a sell out.

When Target starts telling Pearl Jam what can and can't be on their record, then I'll start to think about the sell-out word.

You're contradicting yourself here because you said in an earlier post that Green Day wearing eyeliner made them sell-outs. But wearing eyeliner didn't make them sacrifice their artistic integrity musically. and I doubt they made any money by wearing eyeliner...unlike PJ who cashed in on the Verizon text message screen.

decides2dream

Kat wrote:

And I personally think it's an excellent idea to work with people from the inside to seek change in our society. We can only try...and that's what activism is all about.

exactly.
work the system to change the system.





redrock, getting my yogurt for 62 cents as opposed to 99 cents....also a necessary evil i say.

mookeywrench

JJ13769 wrote:

TO ANSWER SOMEBODY'S QUESTION.....I DONT AND NEVER HAVE SHOPPED AT THOSE STORES. AND I KNOW MANY PEOPLE WHO DONT.

if you've never stood foot in a corporate store, but you're against it, then isn't that just being closed minded?

know your enemy!

slightofjeff

Jeanwah wrote:

You're the one who sounds very young here. You shop at Walmart first of all and don't have much social awareness at all. You also sound like you have no idea how to think for yourself: you let the TV tell you how to think, don't you?

And who tells you how to think? The mother ship?

Seriously, get over the Wal-Mart thing. If, when I die, the worst thing they say about me is, "He shopped at Wal-Mart" then I will have lived a greater life than Ghandi.

Or, maybe I will have lived a greater life than even holier-than-thou you. Ah, never mind. Not even Jesus was a better person than you. He probably got his sandals at the Galilee Wal-Mart.

Seriously. The arrogance and condescension is fucking astounding.

PJBuckeye

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

PJBuckeye wrote:

I will bah when I watch Billy Oh tonight.

I bet you will PJBrowneye..i bet you will.

Just imagine what I'll do when I watch Hannity afterwards. Oh, I hope he has Ann Coulter on.

redrock

decides2dream wrote:

redrock, getting my yogurt for 62 cents as opposed to 99 cents....also a necessary evil i say.

A good point, especially in these times when everyone is watching their pennies. Now you may say you are getting your yogurt at 62 cents because the supermarket is squeezing the little guy producing the yogurt (ie. you want us to buy your stuff, you sell it to us real cheap BUT we can guarantee we buy xxx per week) - is that ethical? Or you may think you are giving the lil' producer a better chance when you are buying the same yogurt somewhere else at 99 cents. The thing is... you probably don't. The probable reason that the yogurt is at 99cents is that overheads cannot be so easily offset by volume sales (which are not there!). Food for thought.

slightofjeff

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

I'm reposting this because I want your response.

slightofjeff wrote:

So your definition of "sell out" is ... what? ... making money?

To me, when we're talking about music, selling out means sacrificing your artistic integrity -- ie, your music -- in order to make money. On the purest level, it means writing songs you don't believe in and you don't even like, in order to fit in with whatever the flavor of the month is.

You can sell out without ever taking a dime from Verizon or Target or whoever.

And, you can also taking money from Verizon and Target and the fucking Republican National Committee, and so long as your music stays pure, and you are writing songs you believe in, you are not a sell out.

When Target starts telling Pearl Jam what can and can't be on their record, then I'll start to think about the sell-out word.

You're contradicting yourself here because you said in an earlier post that Green Day wearing eyeliner made them sell-outs. But wearing eyeliner didn't make them sacrifice their artistic integrity musically. and I doubt they made any money by wearing eyeliner...unlike PJ who cashed in on the Verizon text message screen.

I didn't neccesarily say the makeover made Green Day sellouts. I said it just didn't sit right with me. I used to like Green Day's music, but I don't like this new direction they seem to be bent on heading. Because of that, I'm probably harder on them than I should be.

I still think they are the Jonas Brothers for the adult set, but that's my cross to bear.

U R A Crazy Breed

PJBuckeye wrote:

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

PJBuckeye wrote:

I will bah when I watch Billy Oh tonight.

I bet you will PJBrowneye..i bet you will.

Just imagine what I'll do when I watch Hannity afterwards. Oh, I hope he has Ann Coulter on.

PJBuckeye

decides2dream wrote:

Kat wrote:

And I personally think it's an excellent idea to work with people from the inside to seek change in our society. We can only try...and that's what activism is all about.

exactly.
work the system to change the system.





redrock, getting my yogurt for 62 cents as opposed to 99 cents....also a necessary evil i say.

62 cents is still somewhat pricey. every once in awhile i can get 50 cents. big day in my world. then i have money to buy Mudhoney posters with dinosaurs.

redrock

decides2dream wrote:

exactly.
work the system to change the system.

Best way to do it.

PJBuckeye

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

Seriously, how much time do you spend finding pictures?

decides2dream

slightofjeff wrote:

Ok. And, so?

Why is there such this huge backlash among some people in this country against making money? Like it's a sin to be rich?

Contrary to popular belief the song Green Disease is NOT against making money.

"There's nothing wrong with what you say ..."

It's against how SOME PEOPLE choose to make money ... by trampling on the backs of the poor ... weeds with big leaves stealing light from what's beneath.

Someone will have to explain to me how this TArget deal hurts anyone ... except for maybe Wal-Mart, which is something I thought the hemp-underwear wearing crowd would appreciate.

Anybody notice how the band explicity went out of its way to ensure the little guys -- ie independent record stores -- would still be able to sell the album? Anyway ... some people just believe any store or company they've heard of just has to be evil ... some people want to believe the worst about everything ... some people just like to find reasons to bitch ... there's no arguing with some people.

really do appreciate you more on the porch.
haha.

seriously. i don't get it.
it's not just about money....it is ALSO about getting their music out there. they absolutely do NOT *NEED* to make another penny in their lifetime. however, perhaps they actually ENJOY making music, selling albums, touring...and yes, also helping to support all those who have supported them all these years....their staff and all.....and perhaps they do like sharing their music with us still, thinking, yea.....we do still want it! i don't want them just to tour, i want them to continue to make NEW MUSIC.....i want to hear new music, and i want to be able to pop in a CD and hear a NEW pearl jam album! yes, i would more than likely buy thru 10c, but many, many others don't even KNOw wtf 10c is, and not getting involved...by teaming up with target.....AND...by selling thru indie stores.....AND thru 10c......probably also thru itunes....etc...they reach the LARGEST audience possible, and yes....*gasp!*....they make $$$ too. hate to break it to ya, they have made $$$.....LOTS of $$$...since day one. actually they probably made MORe $$$ back in those days of nostalgia than they do now or ever will again. funny how that all works...... :geek:

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