hey... you anti-huge corporation people who are freaking out

Staceb10

I love Target and I think this is all a bunch of crap.

slightofjeff

PearlJain wrote:

Where's the Tylenol?

I got some if you need it.

norm

slightofjeff wrote:

PearlJain wrote:

Where's the Tylenol?

I got some if you need it.

bought it at target!

choop

this is my first time making a post on this subject, probably the last register user to do so.

at first i was bummed by this deal, and then got over it once i saw conan.

last night i met up with two friends (separately) who both know of my pj love, and this was the first thing they mentioned to me, and one mocked them, and the other just jokingly called them sellouts.

now i am sort of concerned this is going to tarnish their reputation among casual fans and people who always watch from a distance. and in the end, those are the people who the band and management seek to reel in (remember the insane amount of press and promo for avocado?), not the people management already know are on board. so now i am sorta bumming about all of this.

Gary Carter

NothingIsEverything. wrote:

metsfan wrote:

Cause she wants to be above us status quo people. Seriously what kinda bs is that. You're no different then any of us. Jenwah you bring up very good points but you come off very holier then thou when you say status quo people and people will lose respect for you. No I'm not patronizing you, if I wanted to do that I'd call you a dumbass for beleiving the crap pj says

whoa... i know things are heated, but there isn't really any need to write posts just for the sake of attacking someone... obviously jeanwah doesn't need me to stand up for her, but calling her a dumbass just makes you look like a... well... something.

reread what i said. I said if i WANTED to patronize her, i'd call her a dumbass. huge difference between wanting and doing.

quelquefois

metsfan wrote:

NothingIsEverything. wrote:

metsfan wrote:

Cause she wants to be above us status quo people. Seriously what kinda bs is that. You're no different then any of us. Jenwah you bring up very good points but you come off very holier then thou when you say status quo people and people will lose respect for you. No I'm not patronizing you, if I wanted to do that I'd call you a dumbass for beleiving the crap pj says

whoa... i know things are heated, but there isn't really any need to write posts just for the sake of attacking someone... obviously jeanwah doesn't need me to stand up for her, but calling her a dumbass just makes you look like a... well... something.

reread what i said. I said if i WANTED to patronize her, i'd call her a dumbass. huge difference between wanting and doing.

my bad. when i read it the first time it looked like you were being patronizing, then claiming not to be, while following it up with a thinly veiled insult.

Gary Carter

NothingIsEverything. wrote:

my bad. when i read it the first time it looked like you were being patronizing, then claiming not to be, while following it up with a thinly veiled insult.

its cool, no worries. oh i could very well throw a subtle insult to the person whose above us status quo people :roll:

Jeanwah

metsfan wrote:

NothingIsEverything. wrote:

my bad. when i read it the first time it looked like you were being patronizing, then claiming not to be, while following it up with a thinly veiled insult.

its cool, no worries. oh i could very well throw a subtle insult to the person whose above us status quo people :roll:

And you can only imagine what I would say to you. But that would mean bowing down to your level. Like I said in another post, I'm no better than anyone else. You, however tend to think I am. That's your opinion.

Gary Carter

Jeanwah wrote:

And you can only imagine what I would say to you. But that would mean bowing down to your level. Like I said in another post, I'm no better than anyone else. You, however tend to think I am. That's your opinion.

you yourself said you're above us status quo people. so no i don't need to think that when its right there in writing by you.

Jeanwah

I never said I was above any one. Reread it.

Gary Carter

Jeanwah wrote:

I never said I was above them. Reread it.

well i took it that way cause it's coming off that way in all these threads bout this topic that's been beaten to death. it's all stupid shit really cause in the end it's bout the music and tour and posters and bootlegs and meeting other fans.

South of Seattle

Jeanwah wrote:

You're right about getting the right people in these giant corporations to lead them in the right direction, it's what's needed right now. Target's philanthropy does sound like they're trying to do the right thing. But, they are outsourcing. Outsourcing takes business out of this country and gives it to another, causing harm to our own economy and employment numbers, for the sake of their bottom line, because as most would say "...it's cheaper to do business overseas".

Target Corp has been Outsourcing since 1993. It is America’s fourth-largest general merchandise retailer, operating 1,200 stores and 19 distribution centers across the United States. It has been outsourcing offshore in order to reduce costs, has 16 projects with offshore components and 12 moving in that direction.

According to Randy Kirihara, senior manager, Target Corporation, "Offshore outsourcing is not easy, it takes time. Senior management commitment and follow-through are critical." And that commitment is now beginning to manifest itself in increasingly larger number of companies. West Group is an example where top management is firmly committed to outsourcing offshore. from http://dqindia.ciol.com/content/outsour ... 021201.asp

So your not OK with Target Outsourcing because it takes business out of this country. But you seem to be OK with a Foreign company (SONY) handling the distribution and marketing. :roll:

redrock

Jeanwah wrote:

I have added challenges and I'm no better than anyone else. I don't have it easy, but I do live by my values. If there's a will, there's a way. To each their own.

Again, your post comes out holier than though.. If there's a will there's a way... thus us 'others' are not putting in enough effort? We all have 'added challenges. Your values may be going to mom & pop shop (which by the way, I doubt buy fairtrade/ethically), adding to the pollution by using a car going from one place to another, etc., mine may actually do a lot more for 'the cause' - just depends how you see it.

You call 'us' the 'status quo' people. Not waffling on about big evil corporations without understanding what they can give back to the community, what they already do 'outside', ie try to source goods ethically and/or fairtrade, is NOT 'status quo'. There are a MULTITUDE of ways to try to move things forward/change things, not just bashing Target on a message board.

South of Seattle

After reading this thread for awhile. There's only one thing I really want to know.

What would Jeanwah and others that agree with her do instead of using Target?

What would be the proper solution?

vduboise

Wow, I'm gone for the day and this is still going on 12 pages since I've read it.

Hypothetically:

if they try to distribute the album themselves- it would cost what? maybe $14-16. Now everyone wanting to by said album would be mad that it cost so much more than other peeps and then start treads that it cost too much for the new album when 15 years ago I could get it for less.

So they sell the album at Target and it sells for $9.99. Because it can be made in larger quantities, it costs cheaper to produce, giving the savings to the people. And the indi stores can get it at the cheaper price because it was offset by Target.

And the reality is, people want things cheaper. They still want the luxuries of life while still saving in some way. Life would just be ALL hardships without some kind of reward. And that just makes for a lot of unhappy people.

So would you be happier paying maybe twice the amount for the album when they can try to make it cheaper for you?

lukinvedder

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

just because you are not aware of the difference doesn't mean there isn't one....i'm sick to death of trying to explain to people who are too fucking complacent to know why they should be pissed in the first place, why Target sucks...just let the shit go..seems it's the "pro multi national corporation people" who keep brining this shit up...if you love being fucked over, ripped off and exploited, that's your bizz..just fucking drop it already!!!!!!!!!! CHRIST!! :x



and for your information dunky...i carved my PC by hand!! WHAT UP?!!!

HAHAHA

dunkman

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

dunkman wrote:

hey.. i work for the government

so....that explains it.

all that explains is that i work flexi-time, earn good money and have a lovely final salary pension sitting waiting on me...

suck it in

decides2dream

redrock wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

I have added challenges and I'm no better than anyone else. I don't have it easy, but I do live by my values. If there's a will, there's a way. To each their own.

Again, your post comes out holier than though.. If there's a will there's a way... thus us 'others' are not putting in enough effort? We all have 'added challenges. Your values may be going to mom & pop shop (which by the way, I doubt buy fairtrade/ethically), adding to the pollution by using a car going from one place to another, etc., mine may actually do a lot more for 'the cause' - just depends how you see it.

You call 'us' the 'status quo' people. Not waffling on about big evil corporations without understanding what they can give back to the community, what they already do 'outside', ie try to source goods ethically and/or fairtrade, is NOT 'status quo'. There are a MULTITUDE of ways to try to move things forward/change things, not just bashing Target on a message board.

and there it is.
it has been said numerous times on this thread by numerous different people...but apparently, some can't even see that. there is no ONE *right* way to live, to contribute, to be socially aware. you find an approach that works best for you, and realize others must do the same. this isn't to suggest we don't hold others accountable for their actions and choices...it's simply the realization there are MYRIAD ways of being socially conscious and active. more tha one approach on how to live well and for others in this life. balance, balance, balance.

FinsburyParkCarrots

decides2dream

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

is that some corporate whore pushing some outsourced/imported alcohol?! :twisted:









fins...i love ya.....you need to visit NY next time and share more drinks.