Does this mean i can start buying gas at BP Amoco again??????
Yes, but don't drive me...cause I'm an SUV.
PBM
"We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"
...i've been enjoying this string all afternoon. That one actually prompted me to login, that's fucking funny. NIce points all the way btw slightofjeff.
I got some if you need it.
That one was for you d2d.
*feels the love*
will that EVEr get old?...so far....not so much....still enjoying it. :geek:
It is IMPOSSIBLE to live in the USA, or any other industrialized nation, and avoid chains of giant corporations...that's just how things are; I don't know where you'd have to live to avoid it.
The PROBLEM with Pearl Jam that dissapoints/angers people is that many people had Pearl JAm on some unrealistic pedestal, and now everyone's heart is broken because their involvement with Target is very obvious and extensively documented. But please, they have never been detached from commercialism! So let's everyone just get over it...it's ridiculous to expect so much from them, it's just not realistic!
..... their involvement with Target is very obvious and extensively documented. .....
Maybe one could ponder on this....
"Come to think of it, a deal to keep Pearl Jam's music out of Wal-Mart, Best Buy and other big-box retailers that are no friend of the indies is perfectly in keeping with the band's well-known philosophies."
From an article written by Troy Reimink - Grand Rapids Press
... and are you using a "parrot on a unicycle"™ powered internet connection?
just wondering
actually no dunk my hemp computer is powered by gerbils
All this is just exploiting animals... no better than circuses or dancing bears, etc. You may say that your gerbils and parrots are fed and kept in a 'big enough' cage, but that goes against nature. Shame on you guys. FREE THE ANIMALS!!!!
seriously, do people not shop at these big corporations? Even Whole Foods- which is a big organic supermarket- that greenies and purists love for their healthier way of life- is a CORPORATION. This is the way life is now. Corporations exists, and people should get over themselves.
Pearl Jam can do what ever they want. They don't have to have the approval of every person in the world. I like their music, I go to their concerts, and I'm happy.
The more of you that leave, the closer I can get
yes of course pj can do whatever the hell they want. but that doesnt mean we all have to bow down in sychophantic unison. . we can disagree, we can voice our opinion and thats what were doing. and you klnow what?? its all okay.
and who said were leaving???
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
... and are you using a "parrot on a unicycle"™ powered internet connection?
just wondering
actually no dunk my hemp computer is powered by gerbils
All this is just exploiting animals... no better than circuses or dancing bears, etc. You may say that your gerbils and parrots are fed and kept in a 'big enough' cage, but that goes against nature. Shame on you guys. FREE THE ANIMALS!!!!
HEY!! i eat the gerbils when they die from exhaustion and i make coats out of their tiny little pelts. waste not want not.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
All this is just exploiting animals... no better than circuses or dancing bears, etc. You may say that your gerbils and parrots are fed and kept in a 'big enough' cage, but that goes against nature. Shame on you guys. FREE THE ANIMALS!!!!
HEY!! i eat the gerbils when they die from exhaustion and i make coats out of their tiny little pelts. waste not want not.
OK.. that's alright then.... if you use all of it. Going back to basics....
All this is just exploiting animals... no better than circuses or dancing bears, etc. You may say that your gerbils and parrots are fed and kept in a 'big enough' cage, but that goes against nature. Shame on you guys. FREE THE ANIMALS!!!!
HEY!! i eat the gerbils when they die from exhaustion and i make coats out of their tiny little pelts. waste not want not.
OK.. that's alright then.... if you use all of it. Going back to basics....
i even grind down the bones to use in my potions.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
All this is just exploiting animals... no better than circuses or dancing bears, etc. You may say that your gerbils and parrots are fed and kept in a 'big enough' cage, but that goes against nature. Shame on you guys. FREE THE ANIMALS!!!!
HEY!! i eat the gerbils when they die from exhaustion and i make coats out of their tiny little pelts. waste not want not.
OK.. that's alright then.... if you use all of it. Going back to basics....
I am Canadian . . . therefore we use seals
"What the CANUCK happened?!? - Esquimalt Barber Shop
I don't care if Pearl Jam signs a deal with Satan himself to help push their next album as long as it helps me get my hands on it!
so far the greatest and SMARTEST thing anyone has ever said on this thread ........NOW CAN THE OP DELET THIS THREAD SO WE CAN ALL MOVE ON WITH OUR LIVES
....dont take it the wrong way...just so much NEGATIVITY AROUND THIS DAYS........you would think pearl jam went christian rock or somthing
have you seen the colors of my fathers eyes
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Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,344
..... their involvement with Target is very obvious and extensively documented. .....
Maybe one could ponder on this....
"Come to think of it, a deal to keep Pearl Jam's music out of Wal-Mart, Best Buy and other big-box retailers that are no friend of the indies is perfectly in keeping with the band's well-known philosophies."
From an article written by Troy Reimink - Grand Rapids Press
exactly!
i was trying to say that by partnering with target they were sending a message to other, big box corp retailers.....and that is exactly it! it ALL depends how you choose to look at it...
Alright - a little intro about the site if you're not familiar with it.
These guys are true music fans, putting the music first, and dealing with a lot of backlash....(FBI with guns arresting one of the posters for leaking Chinese Democracy)...you all remember that.
Well - back when the whole "target issue" was being talked about, these guys had put up the track that floated around, and prompty took it down after a cease and desist letter.
And here's another article that dealt with the backlash regarding the cease and desist from PJ's lawyers - about what's right and what's wrong.
Take a few minutes, read it...I think they make EXTREMELY valid points and freedom of speech is good, so try and relate to what they're saying if you can:
Here's the article regarding what's right and wrong:
[Inappropriate link removed by Admin.]
*I know it says brit spears topless, but it relates to PJ, you'll see*
I'm curious to see what you guys think about this as well.
Adios people of the porch. Been fun debating with some of you, but things have gotten way out of hand as of lately regarding topics of conversation on here.
I'll be in the M&G section.
*nice touch*
*Edit* here's the article, curse words removed, pictures removed, link removed.
Right And Wrong
By Skwerl, June 9th, 2009
RT @antiquiet: Right And Wrong
This morning I find myself somewhat fascinated by what we can- and can’t- get away with posting online. We exist to nurture the art of recorded music. We’re a small group of hardcore fans, supporting a larger community of like minds. We are the consumers of music. We buy the albums. We buy the concert tickets. The t-shirts. The deluxe box sets. Yet we have to toe a line, because if our methods of support ever dare conflict with a marketing scheme, we’re hauled out as traitors and thieves.
The other day we got some really cool **WORDS DELETED**from the recording sessions for the **WORDS DELETED** Pearl Jam album. But we’re not going to post them or talk about them, because some lawyers somewhere think… Well, who knows what they think? They’ll take away from the impact of the new album’s marketing efforts? Maybe it would cut into sales? We know that neither of these are likely; The fans would talk about them incessantly (right through walking into Target on release day), while the casual passers-by would simply ignore them. They’re really rough demos. And any internet buzz it might incite would only raise awareness for the album among a bunch of people that haven’t been aware of a new Pearl Jam album since before Axl started working on Chinese Democracy.
But we’re not posting them, for at least two reasons: First, of course, I still await sentencing for “promoting” / “damaging” the aforementioned GNR album, and a new criminal charge would likely send me straight to federal **WORDS DELETED** prison.
Second, we’ve come to respect the artist’s right to determine how their art is presented.
See, we can post these **WORDS DELETED** photos of Britney Spears from the Gimme More video shoot, and no one gives a hoot. Does posting these photos of Britney’s **WORDS DELETED**, at the height of her 2007 psycho breakdown, not disrespect her right to present herself in her own way? Of course it does (not that this right hasn’t already been taken away from her by her omnipotent handlers), but no one really cares, because it doesn’t threaten any marketing plan.
The times, they are confusing. What we know to be promotion is occasionally called betrayal, by parties that we know know better. We know it because we’ve caught them faking it. And when they’ve done it “by accident,” with noone but themselves to blame, what happens? No one gets fired. The album debuts at #1 but… well… it would have sold even more!
If only less people heard it…
That’s just the political side. I suppose I’d “get it” if I was in spent more time in the Industry. But I’ve been an American citizen my whole life, and I’m still struggling with the First Amendment.
Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails recently went on a well-publicized tirade on double standards:
“Wal-Mart went on a rampage years ago insisting all music they carry be censored of all profanity and ‘clean’ versions be made for them to carry… NIN refused, and you’ll notice a pretty empty NIN section at any Wal-Mart…
My reasoning was this: I can understand if you want the moral posturing of not having any ‘indecent’ material for sale- but you could literally turn around 180° from where the NIN record would be and purchase the film Scarface completely uncensored, or buy a copy of Grand Theft Auto where you can be rewarded for beating up prostitutes. How does that make sense?”
And that’s how we feel every time we have to make a judgment call as “bloggers,” as journalists. We have to weigh apples against ostriches, every single time. Rough demos are a violation of discretion, but stolen photos of an artist **WORDS DELETED** naked are perfectly fine. Last week, we got a scary cease & desist order for posting a fan recording of a band that “welcomes” fan recordings!
We weren’t the only ones confused by that one.
We’re doing our best to play along according to rules that seem to change daily. We don’t understand how the record industry would prefer that we operate. Not that we’re waiting on them to tell us- They’re clearly still trying to figure out how to operate themselves. But it’d be nice to know the common ground from the battlefront. Because as it stands, we don’t.
Just don’t listen to the new Mars Volta album, or the new Clutch album, or the new Incubus album. Don’t play them for your friends. Because they aren’t on sale yet.
Adios people of the porch. Been fun debating with some of you, but things have gotten way out of hand as of lately regarding topics of conversation on here.
Comments
Since Pearl Jam and their fans have now embraced Big Corporations
And Pearl Jam and Target.....are the greatest things since sliced bread.......
Does this mean i can start buying gas at BP Amoco again??????
just curious.......
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Yes, but don't drive me...cause I'm an SUV.
PBM
Wishlist Foundation: http://wishlistfoundation.org
*corrected.
seriously, does NO one see any DIFFERENCES?
we all pick and choose, according to our own ideals.....tis that simple.
and jeff, i misssed this first time around...
*feels the love*
will that EVEr get old?...so far....not so much....still enjoying it.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
The PROBLEM with Pearl Jam that dissapoints/angers people is that many people had Pearl JAm on some unrealistic pedestal, and now everyone's heart is broken because their involvement with Target is very obvious and extensively documented. But please, they have never been detached from commercialism! So let's everyone just get over it...it's ridiculous to expect so much from them, it's just not realistic!
Maybe one could ponder on this....
"Come to think of it, a deal to keep Pearl Jam's music out of Wal-Mart, Best Buy and other big-box retailers that are no friend of the indies is perfectly in keeping with the band's well-known philosophies."
From an article written by Troy Reimink - Grand Rapids Press
actually no dunk my hemp computer is powered by gerbils
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
All this is just exploiting animals... no better than circuses or dancing bears, etc. You may say that your gerbils and parrots are fed and kept in a 'big enough' cage, but that goes against nature. Shame on you guys. FREE THE ANIMALS!!!!
yes of course pj can do whatever the hell they want. but that doesnt mean we all have to bow down in sychophantic unison. . we can disagree, we can voice our opinion and thats what were doing. and you klnow what?? its all okay.
and who said were leaving???
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
HEY!! i eat the gerbils when they die from exhaustion and i make coats out of their tiny little pelts. waste not want not.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
OK.. that's alright then.... if you use all of it. Going back to basics....
i even grind down the bones to use in my potions.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I am Canadian . . . therefore we use seals
Now seals are not a laughing matter.....
so far the greatest and SMARTEST thing anyone has ever said on this thread ........NOW CAN THE OP DELET THIS THREAD SO WE CAN ALL MOVE ON WITH OUR LIVES
....dont take it the wrong way...just so much NEGATIVITY AROUND THIS DAYS........you would think pearl jam went christian rock or somthing
but then again, i love kat and sea.
HI KAT!
HI SEA!
exactly!
i was trying to say that by partnering with target they were sending a message to other, big box corp retailers.....and that is exactly it! it ALL depends how you choose to look at it...
and
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
These guys are true music fans, putting the music first, and dealing with a lot of backlash....(FBI with guns arresting one of the posters for leaking Chinese Democracy)...you all remember that.
Well - back when the whole "target issue" was being talked about, these guys had put up the track that floated around, and prompty took it down after a cease and desist letter.
Here's the aforementioned article....
http://www.antiquiet.com/news/2009/05/target-pearl-jam-deal/
And here's another article that dealt with the backlash regarding the cease and desist from PJ's lawyers - about what's right and what's wrong.
Take a few minutes, read it...I think they make EXTREMELY valid points and freedom of speech is good, so try and relate to what they're saying if you can:
Here's the article regarding what's right and wrong:
[Inappropriate link removed by Admin.]
*I know it says brit spears topless, but it relates to PJ, you'll see*
I'm curious to see what you guys think about this as well.
-Seth
if an artist doesn't want you to see/hear it's art before they determine it's ready, then you should respect that
well if you're extremely curious now, [link removed by Admin] will have the item on the front page.
We're an all ages site and inappropriate links are always removed. Please see the Posting Guidelines above.
- Admin
yea i just re-read them, and also noticed that debates are encouraged
I'll be in the M&G section.
*nice touch*
*Edit* here's the article, curse words removed, pictures removed, link removed.
Right And Wrong
By Skwerl, June 9th, 2009
RT @antiquiet: Right And Wrong
This morning I find myself somewhat fascinated by what we can- and can’t- get away with posting online. We exist to nurture the art of recorded music. We’re a small group of hardcore fans, supporting a larger community of like minds. We are the consumers of music. We buy the albums. We buy the concert tickets. The t-shirts. The deluxe box sets. Yet we have to toe a line, because if our methods of support ever dare conflict with a marketing scheme, we’re hauled out as traitors and thieves.
The other day we got some really cool **WORDS DELETED**from the recording sessions for the **WORDS DELETED** Pearl Jam album. But we’re not going to post them or talk about them, because some lawyers somewhere think… Well, who knows what they think? They’ll take away from the impact of the new album’s marketing efforts? Maybe it would cut into sales? We know that neither of these are likely; The fans would talk about them incessantly (right through walking into Target on release day), while the casual passers-by would simply ignore them. They’re really rough demos. And any internet buzz it might incite would only raise awareness for the album among a bunch of people that haven’t been aware of a new Pearl Jam album since before Axl started working on Chinese Democracy.
But we’re not posting them, for at least two reasons: First, of course, I still await sentencing for “promoting” / “damaging” the aforementioned GNR album, and a new criminal charge would likely send me straight to federal **WORDS DELETED** prison.
Second, we’ve come to respect the artist’s right to determine how their art is presented.
See, we can post these **WORDS DELETED** photos of Britney Spears from the Gimme More video shoot, and no one gives a hoot. Does posting these photos of Britney’s **WORDS DELETED**, at the height of her 2007 psycho breakdown, not disrespect her right to present herself in her own way? Of course it does (not that this right hasn’t already been taken away from her by her omnipotent handlers), but no one really cares, because it doesn’t threaten any marketing plan.
The times, they are confusing. What we know to be promotion is occasionally called betrayal, by parties that we know know better. We know it because we’ve caught them faking it. And when they’ve done it “by accident,” with noone but themselves to blame, what happens? No one gets fired. The album debuts at #1 but… well… it would have sold even more!
If only less people heard it…
That’s just the political side. I suppose I’d “get it” if I was in spent more time in the Industry. But I’ve been an American citizen my whole life, and I’m still struggling with the First Amendment.
Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails recently went on a well-publicized tirade on double standards:
“Wal-Mart went on a rampage years ago insisting all music they carry be censored of all profanity and ‘clean’ versions be made for them to carry… NIN refused, and you’ll notice a pretty empty NIN section at any Wal-Mart…
My reasoning was this: I can understand if you want the moral posturing of not having any ‘indecent’ material for sale- but you could literally turn around 180° from where the NIN record would be and purchase the film Scarface completely uncensored, or buy a copy of Grand Theft Auto where you can be rewarded for beating up prostitutes. How does that make sense?”
And that’s how we feel every time we have to make a judgment call as “bloggers,” as journalists. We have to weigh apples against ostriches, every single time. Rough demos are a violation of discretion, but stolen photos of an artist **WORDS DELETED** naked are perfectly fine. Last week, we got a scary cease & desist order for posting a fan recording of a band that “welcomes” fan recordings!
We weren’t the only ones confused by that one.
We’re doing our best to play along according to rules that seem to change daily. We don’t understand how the record industry would prefer that we operate. Not that we’re waiting on them to tell us- They’re clearly still trying to figure out how to operate themselves. But it’d be nice to know the common ground from the battlefront. Because as it stands, we don’t.
Just don’t listen to the new Mars Volta album, or the new Clutch album, or the new Incubus album. Don’t play them for your friends. Because they aren’t on sale yet.
we do?
ahhh...the good ol' days...
nude pictures are not allowed to be posted here
Exactly.
http://www.strummersphotography.com
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