Is this getting out of hand now?

ewokpelts

vedderfreak12 wrote:

When they demanded that the first 2 mp3's be yanked immediately... don't you think twice about putting up a 3rd?

These weren't just ordinary mp3s. These were live recordings converted into an mp3, which was encouraged in the old generation of tape trading.

Instead Target, Rock Band, and other bullshit corporations shove the remaining hard-core fans out of the way.

I'm on Heather's side.

This was my comment on Heather's AWESOME blog:

Heather,
"I am saddened to hear Pearl Jam taking big business’ side over the fans. I too am having difficulties with them right now but on a much smaller scale.

My problem lies within fan club seating. My membership expires in three days. I’ll be seeing Eddie in 18 days in Memphis. Call me a crybaby, call me whatever, but if my seats are not in the first 1/3 of the concert hall I will not be renewing my membership. If I’m seated anywhere else I refuse to believe there are that many Ten Club fans who have lower numbers than I, and are at the same show as me, especially at such a small venue.

Stand up for what you think is right, and if they become corporate sellouts as it’s suspected, we’ll walk hand in hand away from the mess because we know better."

ed solo shows are NOT based on seniority.
and let's be honest honey, they're doing you a favor offering premium seats for cost.
try getting decent seats for an ed solo show without your $20 membership number. you'll be paying a lot more for worse seats.

gremmiedotnet

Guys,

Has anyone else seen this?

http://www.fuelfriendsblog.com/2009/06/ ... re-to-win/

What are people's reactions?

ewokpelts

nathanastin wrote:

I'm glad the TC told her what they did. She' s a pretentious baby that deserves nothing. I am tired of all the fans on here that think they are owed everything. I won't be surprised if the band dismantles the TC after all of this nonsense.

i think a lot of people are spoiled here.

yeah, the target deal kinda sucks, but it's 2009, and they are selling the record themselves.

again, if it's good enough for prince.......


WWS's ringtone was a sprint exclusive. anyone bitch then?

AOLMusic had the exclusive premiere of I am Mine. Anyone bitch then?

I like how they broke up the distribution among many partners. you'll be able to buy it in pretty much any format. something that wasnt possible with black ice or chinese democracy.


people also forget prince's exclusive release through target is a three disc affair priced at 11.88. Backspacer may very well be priced under $9.99, and could be packed with goodies.

the internet crybabies for get this.

Ryan_WFC

slightofjeff wrote:

It's hard for me to muster much outrage about this one way or another. This board wears me out sometimes.

Well put

U R A Crazy Breed

makes me sick..insult to injury...WTF is going on?? this is the guy they trust to rep them????

he made the poor girl cry!

pjsteelerfan

http://community.pearljam.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=100089

HermanBloom

ewokpelts wrote:

nathanastin wrote:

I'm glad the TC told her what they did. She' s a pretentious baby that deserves nothing. I am tired of all the fans on here that think they are owed everything. I won't be surprised if the band dismantles the TC after all of this nonsense.

i think a lot of people are spoiled here.

yeah, the target deal kinda sucks, but it's 2009, and they are selling the record themselves.

again, if it's good enough for prince.......


WWS's ringtone was a sprint exclusive. anyone bitch then?

AOLMusic had the exclusive premiere of I am Mine. Anyone bitch then?

I like how they broke up the distribution among many partners. you'll be able to buy it in pretty much any format. something that wasnt possible with black ice or chinese democracy.


people also forget prince's exclusive release through target is a three disc affair priced at 11.88. Backspacer may very well be priced under $9.99, and could be packed with goodies.

the internet crybabies for get this.

Agreed; I just want the music. I will still get my cd from the TC and hopefully vinyl. I wouldn't care if they had the Backstreet Boys selling them in person at Walmart only. There is no such thing as being a sellout. All the people crying that are sellouts themselves.

HermanBloom

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

makes me sick..insult to injury...WTF is going on?? this is the guy they trust to rep them????

If I was him I would have told her worse things. Way to stand up TC; you don't have to take this, especially from a blogger.

slightofjeff

ewokpelts wrote:

vedderfreak12 wrote:

When they demanded that the first 2 mp3's be yanked immediately... don't you think twice about putting up a 3rd?

These weren't just ordinary mp3s. These were live recordings converted into an mp3, which was encouraged in the old generation of tape trading.

Instead Target, Rock Band, and other bullshit corporations shove the remaining hard-core fans out of the way.

I'm on Heather's side.

This was my comment on Heather's AWESOME blog:

Heather,
"I am saddened to hear Pearl Jam taking big business’ side over the fans. I too am having difficulties with them right now but on a much smaller scale.

My problem lies within fan club seating. My membership expires in three days. I’ll be seeing Eddie in 18 days in Memphis. Call me a crybaby, call me whatever, but if my seats are not in the first 1/3 of the concert hall I will not be renewing my membership. If I’m seated anywhere else I refuse to believe there are that many Ten Club fans who have lower numbers than I, and are at the same show as me, especially at such a small venue.

Stand up for what you think is right, and if they become corporate sellouts as it’s suspected, we’ll walk hand in hand away from the mess because we know better."

ed solo shows are NOT based on seniority.
and let's be honest honey, they're doing you a favor offering premium seats for cost.
try getting decent seats for an ed solo show without your $20 membership number. you'll be paying a lot more for worse seats.

My one (1) ticket, in the balcony in L.A. was $185. I was lucky to get that. They were going for $250 from in-person scalpers the day of the show.

DeLukin

10c is out of ther minds to think they can control information about the band on the internet. Hopefully, the whole lesson here is that all the secrecy and censorship surrounding this story is incredibly counter-productive and only serves to whip the masses into a frenzy. I didn't even know about the target thing until my rss reader was flooded w/stories about posts mysteriously being deleted from pearl jam fan forums (from big sites like rollingstone.com). The insult was unprofessional, but the bigger insult was thinking they could bully us into not talking about it or getting information from other sources.

U R A Crazy Breed

DeLukin wrote:

10c is out of ther minds to think they can control information about the band on the internet. Hopefully, the whole lesson here is that all the secrecy and censorship surrounding this story is incredibly counter-productive and only serves to whip the masses into a frenzy. I didn't even know about the target thing until my rss reader was flooded w/stories about posts mysteriously being deleted from pearl jam fan forums (from big sites like rollingstone.com). The insult was unprofessional, but the bigger insult was thinking they could bully us into not talking about it or getting information from other sources.

very well said my friend!

slightofjeff

DeLukin wrote:

10c is out of ther minds to think they can control information about the band on the internet. Hopefully, the whole lesson here is that all the secrecy and censorship surrounding this story is incredibly counter-productive and only serves to whip the masses into a frenzy. I didn't even know about the target thing until my rss reader was flooded w/stories about posts mysteriously being deleted from pearl jam fan forums (from big sites like rollingstone.com). The insult was unprofessional, but the bigger insult was thinking they could bully us into not talking about it or getting information from other sources.

From what I understand, this hubbub has absolutely nothing to do with "information," about Target or anything else. It has everything to do with a blogger posting unauthorized copyrighted material -- ie, an unreleased song -- on her blog and then refusing to take it down.

Jeanwah

DeLukin wrote:

10c is out of ther minds to think they can control information about the band on the internet. Hopefully, the whole lesson here is that all the secrecy and censorship surrounding this story is incredibly counter-productive and only serves to whip the masses into a frenzy. I didn't even know about the target thing until my rss reader was flooded w/stories about posts mysteriously being deleted from pearl jam fan forums (from big sites like rollingstone.com). The insult was unprofessional, but the bigger insult was thinking they could bully us into not talking about it or getting information from other sources.

Agreed, and well put. Those who blindly follow and defend the band without thinking critically need to start thinking for themselves, I'm really tired of people who can't seem to realize how there's ultimate bullying going on here of the public. Yes, the blogger was in the wrong and corrected the error. No need for Mr. In Charge to bully like their on some power trip. Again, professionalism would have made this a completely different story altogether.

slightofjeff

Jeanwah wrote:

DeLukin wrote:

10c is out of ther minds to think they can control information about the band on the internet. Hopefully, the whole lesson here is that all the secrecy and censorship surrounding this story is incredibly counter-productive and only serves to whip the masses into a frenzy. I didn't even know about the target thing until my rss reader was flooded w/stories about posts mysteriously being deleted from pearl jam fan forums (from big sites like rollingstone.com). The insult was unprofessional, but the bigger insult was thinking they could bully us into not talking about it or getting information from other sources.

Agreed, and well put. Those who blindly follow and defend the band need to start thinking for themselves, I'm really tired of people who can't seem to realize how there's ultimate bullying going on here of the public. Yes, the blogger was in the wrong and corrected the error. No need for Mr. In Charge to bully like their on some power trip. Again, professionalism would have made this a completely different story altogether.

I find it hard to believe that if she had corrected the error in a timely fashion, any of this would have happened. It doesn't make sense to read the situation that way.

But I don't think any of us really know exactly what happened.

Also ... I find it slightly humorous you would characterize Internet piracy as a simple "error." Like, "Ooops, I accidentally stole someone's song and posted it on my blog for the world to see. How did that happen? Must have hit the wrong button."

I wonder if that works in other areas, too. "Sorry, officer. I didn't mean to wave that loaded pistol in the teller's face and demand $1 million in unmarked bills or I would blow her head off. It was a total accident!"

HermanBloom

DeLukin wrote:

10c is out of ther minds to think they can control information about the band on the internet. Hopefully, the whole lesson here is that all the secrecy and censorship surrounding this story is incredibly counter-productive and only serves to whip the masses into a frenzy. I didn't even know about the target thing until my rss reader was flooded w/stories about posts mysteriously being deleted from pearl jam fan forums (from big sites like rollingstone.com). The insult was unprofessional, but the bigger insult was thinking they could bully us into not talking about it or getting information from other sources.

Maybe you guys should all drop out

nukeboot

SIAP...

All you had to do was listen to the quality of the unauthorized release to understand
the band's reaction. When it got out it was roundly trashed here.

Just not a fair way to evaluate their new music and it risked creating a negative buzz
about Backspacer.

The P.T.

I posted this in the other thread about this, but when I hit submit it was deleted. Surprise.

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I understand the bands perspectives. I just don't see how they got to the point they are at. I just don't feel like it's the same band (to the fans) as it was years and years ago. I don't agree with the way they release information, I don't agree with their censoring, and I don't agree with their behavior about these two. To me, it seems almost 100% opposite the club/band (again band as in to the fans) that they were in the past.

I think I've just come to realize... that's the way it is. They've changed. I've changed. I've realized I don't really align with the band and club as much as I used to. I don't get nearly as excited about all their causes and 'extra-Pearl Jam' activities. I don't find myself bringing up Pearl Jam when I talk to people about music, simply because, like the blogger wrote, I can't defend them anymore. Much the same way I can't defend the actions of so many incredibly awful Pearl Jam fans. I went to Lollapalooza with a big group and ended up feeling like I had to apologize for the rudeness of the Pearl Jam fans who were around all but ruining any other band with their actions, put downs of other music, etc etc. Come here and look at the complaining. The fans are as much of a turn off as the actions of the 10c.

At this point, the only thing that matters is the music. The music still matters as much as it did 15 years ago, and to me, that's all that's important. I've separated myself from everything else and it's really helped. It sounds weird, but I know I'm not the only person on this forum who's had a (probably) unhealthy addiction to anything Pearl Jam.

As for what's currently going on... oh well. It's not going to change the music or get the album released any sooner. It's not worth complaining about or spending my time on it. I enjoyed the song on Conan and look forward to the album. Let the 10c waste time and money on having some blogger pull down a crappy recording. It's the way things are now.

I will entertain all the 'bigger PJ fans than me' who flame me for posting something against the band, 10C, and us fans. Just realize that I'm not complaining... I've accepted it and suggest many others do too.

Kat

DeLukin wrote:

10c is out of ther minds to think they can control information about the band on the internet. Hopefully, the whole lesson here is that all the secrecy and censorship surrounding this story is incredibly counter-productive and only serves to whip the masses into a frenzy. I didn't even know about the target thing until my rss reader was flooded w/stories about posts mysteriously being deleted from pearl jam fan forums (from big sites like rollingstone.com). The insult was unprofessional, but the bigger insult was thinking they could bully us into not talking about it or getting information from other sources.

I'd just like to say one thing and I apologize for being off-topic.

MISINFORMATION is not ok. Not about the band. Not about you or your family or anyone...it's hurtful and that could happen to anyone some day since it spreads so quickly online. The information about Pearl Jam's album distribution was going to be announced. It always is. The FALSE story that was promoted by people online about Target exclusively distributing Pearl Jam's music is still out there though...and that is the problem with rumors and misinformation online. It's still being spread because of the internets. That's all...just a little point that seems to be getting lost. I hope I have contributed something...I'm out.

xo

Kat

The P.T. wrote:

I posted this in the other thread about this, but when I hit submit it was deleted. Surprise.

It wasn't deleted, it was merged. Please look for an existing thread/topic instead of beginning a new one. We do a lot of merging.

redrock

DeLukin wrote:

10c is out of ther minds to think they can control information about the band on the internet. Hopefully, the whole lesson here is that all the secrecy and censorship surrounding this story is incredibly counter-productive and only serves to whip the masses into a frenzy. I didn't even know about the target thing until my rss reader was flooded w/stories about posts mysteriously being deleted from pearl jam fan forums (from big sites like rollingstone.com). The insult was unprofessional, but the bigger insult was thinking they could bully us into not talking about it or getting information from other sources.

In his interview, I think Curtis explained why they had to do that on this site... A site 'owned and run' by PJ 'people'. I'm sure if all these discussions had taken place on the 'alternative' board or anywhere else, it would not have been the same thing. This board is part of their 'business' and if a business requirement means they have to do certain things, it's their prerogative.