There is no god

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  • chadwickchadwick up my assPosts: 21,152
    edited July 2014
    speaking of warding off the spirits, it has been rather quiet lately but the old visions & messages of some kind or another & the future or just unasked for broadcasts are still very accurate. names, places, job interviews falling from the sky & i know they are coming & they do & i am correct, sometimes not always but more often than not you could wager real currency on my goofy old spooky ass & you be $$$ cashin out your settlement at the casino teller window

    so i will be having a conversation w/ a good friend of mine who is a beautiful genius & we'll discuss your messages upstairs here above me. ^ upstairs, your post. a great thinker i see. that deserves a little silver star for your efforts. i work well within a group & walking/pacing floors & at the white board as i am a kinesthetic learner. this is a complete disaster most often in a traditional classroom. i gotta crawl around & fuck w/ stuff. music, fidgeting w/ the teacher's bra back in the old days, rubbin my pencils the wrong way & the list goes on as does my daydreaming. all of which i can not control. why? hyper little bastard that's why. mentally & physically crawling the walls chewing on live wires for entertainment or the live wires chewing on me for kicks.

    who is this band? never heard of them. they sound peaceful, i like peaceful. i also like brutality & ridiculous bullshit.

    there is a thread on here for the topic of supernatural or paranormal happenings. this is where i am located. again, i can not help myself as i was born into this whole hole. it is a wonderful massive sanctuary of torture, bliss, mystery, shit, piss & the very bizarre.

    inside of me on any given day i feel like a tornado or a tidal wave ready to destroy everything as the universe hums like industrial boilers on full, i feel this flowing in my veins. it is a miracle i've not snapped. so i scratch my back w/ a bamboo back scratcher as i have gravel pieces, dirt & glass embedded in my back's flesh from being a drunk teenager crashing on a motorcycle using my backmeat as a sliding playtoy.

    so we are learning, well, some of us are experiencing true supernatural events & it could be on a fairly regular occurrence where your physics can not go, grow, climb, roll or even sit inside of & feel or listen quietly as a wind listens & feels its lover cloud orgasm.

    & so you go for a walk, you are thirsty, you drink from waterfall spilling, splashing over raindrops collectively united as one team all with one great intention to feed your thirst. this alone is a miracle but why not blow this waterfall up w/ dynomite & plow a wider freeway thru this now dead waterfall & forerst fulla of ridiculous squirrels, stupid trees, ugly ass bullshit frogs & salamanders

    your story is fun & creative. in all honesty i would not talk to you that way though unless you pissed me off & even then i'd most likely just leave to avoid caving your skull in. but let's just pretend for a moment you smacked me upside the nose or lip after i said you are a scientist's pimply ass, that would be great bonding material i do believe so as i bleed & can taste my own flowing redness. i would be excited & probably laugh, hug you & throw you in the classroom for one of your longwinded fucking math lectures... you know the kind where all the college ladies are wearing miniskirts, tight sweaters & wondering about gods (not religion), sex & the badass genius physics professor who drinks from waterfalls

    by the way, people... if there are zero gods then how did we wind up with women? please answer this complex question in just under 241 pages. thank you. goodnight & good morning
    Post edited by chadwick on
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 25,003
    ^^^ I'm getting some kind of cosmologicspiritaphysics buzz just reading this outrageous shit. :P Well done evs... and I can't wait to see Chadwicks reply!
    But first to sleep, perchance to dream.
    "Love and only love will break it down"
    -Neil Young
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    M.I.T.S.





  • evsgjammevsgjamm Posts: 1,863
    The band: Neverending White Lights
    From Act 1 - Goodbye Friends of the Heavenly Bodies. $9.99 on iTunes (CD is no longer in print)

    I am honored to have earned your Silver star.
    I, too, like peaceful shit and aggrevating, spine-pinching brutality. HOW THE FUCK DO YOU SPELL AGGREVATING:!:!:!:!:!::!:!!! DICK!... ASS!..... FFFFFFFFUCK YOU!

    In addition, I have been in a motorcycle accident. Leaned over too far on a sportbike when I was 17 and slid 150 feet across the highway - I was lucky.

    You and your friend, please enjoy tearing into my story. Enjoy tearing into this whole topic. Just keep on tearing. Tear it all to shreds. Then piece it back together and tell us what came of it.

    And now, for something completely different... Goodbye Friends of the god forum

    brian.... catch'ya onnn the flippp siiiiide.

    Vancouver '03, Paramount Theatre '05, Saskatoon '05, Calgary '05, Edmonton '05, Saskatoon '11, Calgary '11, Calgary '13

    2010 WATCH IT GO TO FIRE!!
  • chadwickchadwick up my assPosts: 21,152
    dear, evsgjamm

    you are a hoot & i respect you. do not leave

    have a wonderful day. tearing apart what you presented above would take me 19 month or 18 years. & now you leave me here alone & w/out guidance? im jammed up

    i was on here early when i typed up what i typed up w/out sleep & finally got in two whole hrs of sleep. may i continue to cry on your shoulder? hey speaking of shoulders, mine still ache pretty good

    i'll research your earlier post & see what i can find

    be well, champion
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • evsgjammevsgjamm Posts: 1,863
    I'll always be around, up my ass. Always.
    This is actually the song I wanted you to dive into with both feet, ears, kidneys and minds eye.



    Sleep well wicked soul.
    Vancouver '03, Paramount Theatre '05, Saskatoon '05, Calgary '05, Edmonton '05, Saskatoon '11, Calgary '11, Calgary '13

    2010 WATCH IT GO TO FIRE!!
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
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    "It's not the daily increase but daily decrease. Hack away at the unessential." - Bruce Lee

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  • i_lov_iti_lov_it Perth, Western AustraliaPosts: 3,898
    satansbed said:

    Do you want proof,

    If there was a god he would never have acquitted a shameless murder.
    Proof if we ever needed it we are just simple organisms,

    :fp: :nono:

    Kind of depends what you Interpret as God.

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 43,509
    If there were a God the world and people would be a hell of a lot better than they are, and there would be no mosquitoes.
    People who think that God created us and the world and everything, they must not have a very good opinion of him!
    :D
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 25,003
    edited July 2014
    I've long said that as soon as you try to define God, your god is to small. That idea came to me many years ago from reading J.B. Phillips book called Your God is Too Small.

    I found a similar, even better description of this idea- one that articulated the thought at least as well as or better than anything I've seen or read anywhere so far- in Captain Paul Watson's book Earthforce! An Earth Warriors Guide to Strategy. In it, Wilson says this:

    Christ, Mohammed, Buddha and L. Ron Hubbard were primates, cousins to the chimpanzee and the mountain gorilla just as were all the children of all a species of naked simians. In primateness, we can find family. Although anthropocentric humans may consider themselves to be divine legends in their own mind, the biological reality is that they are simply overly glorified, conceited apes.

    God is not a monkey. God is the unknown, the feminine force in divine harmony with the masculine force, the is and the is not, the positive and the negative, the alpha and the omega. God is everything and anything that can be imagined, but the one thing God is not is definable. Attempts by the anthropocentrists to define the unknown, to finite the infinite, have only led and continue to lead to ecological holocaust and the deaths of billions of lives.

    All wars have their foundations in the conflicts of anthropocentrism over philosophy, territory, resources and power.


    Earthforce!, 2nd Edition, pp 29-30

    Edit: It's WATSON not Wilson. Ooops!

    Post edited by brianlux on
    "Love and only love will break it down"
    -Neil Young
    ***********
    M.I.T.S.





  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 11,374
    Thomas Paine "The Age of Reason"
    if you havnt read it, do so! Its short and it literally tears the bible to shreds and pisses on the gods of feeble men who cling to fables.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    brianlux said:

    I've long said that as soon as you try to define God, your god is to small. That idea came to me many years ago from reading J.B. Phillips book called Your God is Too Small.

    I found a similar, even better description of this idea- one that articulated the thought at least as well as or better than anything I've seen or read anywhere so far- in Captain Paul Wilson's book Earthforce! An Earth Warriors Guide to Strategy. In it, Wilson says this:

    Christ, Mohammed, Buddha and L. Ron Hubbard were primates, cousins to the chimpanzee and the mountain gorilla just as were all the children of all a species of naked simians. In primateness, we can find family. Although anthropocentric humans may consider themselves to be divine legends in their own mind, the biological reality is that they are simply overly glorified, conceited apes.

    God is not a monkey. God is the unknown, the feminine force in divine harmony with the masculine force, the is and the is not, the positive and the negative, the alpha and the omega. God is everything and anything that can be imagined, but the one thing God is not is definable. Attempts by the anthropocentrists to define the unknown, to finite the infinite, have only led and continue to lead to ecological holocaust and the deaths of billions of lives.

    All wars have their foundations in the conflicts of anthropocentrism over philosophy, territory, resources and power.


    Earthforce!, 2nd Edition, pp 29-30

    Deep stuff
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,GreecePosts: 11,771
    ''God is everything and anything that can be imagined, but the one thing God is not is definable. Attempts by the anthropocentrists to define the unknown, to finite the infinite, have only led and continue to lead to ecological holocaust and the deaths of billions of lives.''

    i agree brianlux,but is this not the destination of the human race?..reach the uknown?..touch the stars?..find our inside god?..ad astra per aspera..if you want to go above,you have to go below first..
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 25,003
    23scidoo said:

    ''God is everything and anything that can be imagined, but the one thing God is not is definable. Attempts by the anthropocentrists to define the unknown, to finite the infinite, have only led and continue to lead to ecological holocaust and the deaths of billions of lives.''

    i agree brianlux,but is this not the destination of the human race?..reach the uknown?..touch the stars?..find our inside god?..ad astra per aspera..if you want to go above,you have to go below first..

    Interesting thought, 23scidoo, but I'm not sure what our destination is other than that on our current path, our destination is extinction of our species and that many, many others that we are taking down with us. The point of Waton's (I said "Wilson earlier by mistake) quote is that most religion is based on anthropocentric thinking which leaves all other life pretty much out of the picture and other than perhaps some indigenous beliefs, particularly American Indian beliefs, ignores the divine nature of everything living and non-living.

    Another good quote from Watson:

    "The truth is not to be found in Christian icons, Judaic writings, Islamic rules, Buddhist meditations, dianetics or any of the theological inventions of humankind.

    The truth cannot be found in political philosophies.

    The truth can only be found by realizing that it cannot be found and that all is not knowable, that the infinite can never be comprehended by the finite. The purpose of life is life itself. The purpose of death is rebirth. The purpose of birth is death. The immortality of humanity as in all species is to be found in the Continuum."


    This doesn't mean we can't reach for the stars or seek to better understand the unknown but if we do so with the belief that we are separate or better or above all else, or that we can define or find a god or belief we ourselves have invented we will only reach a dead end. If our perspective is that we are a part of a greater whole we might become part of that whole that is undefinable and divine.

    "Love and only love will break it down"
    -Neil Young
    ***********
    M.I.T.S.





  • know1know1 Posts: 6,554
    edited July 2014
    brianlux said:

    I've long said that as soon as you try to define God, your god is to small. That idea came to me many years ago from reading J.B. Phillips book called Your God is Too Small.

    I found a similar, even better description of this idea- one that articulated the thought at least as well as or better than anything I've seen or read anywhere so far- in Captain Paul Watson's book Earthforce! An Earth Warriors Guide to Strategy. In it, Wilson says this:

    Christ, Mohammed, Buddha and L. Ron Hubbard were primates, cousins to the chimpanzee and the mountain gorilla just as were all the children of all a species of naked simians. In primateness, we can find family. Although anthropocentric humans may consider themselves to be divine legends in their own mind, the biological reality is that they are simply overly glorified, conceited apes.

    God is not a monkey. God is the unknown, the feminine force in divine harmony with the masculine force, the is and the is not, the positive and the negative, the alpha and the omega. God is everything and anything that can be imagined, but the one thing God is not is definable. Attempts by the anthropocentrists to define the unknown, to finite the infinite, have only led and continue to lead to ecological holocaust and the deaths of billions of lives.

    All wars have their foundations in the conflicts of anthropocentrism over philosophy, territory, resources and power.


    Earthforce!, 2nd Edition, pp 29-30

    Edit: It's WATSON not Wilson. Ooops!

    This is pretty close to my feelings on the subject as well.

    People who try to define God or deny God's existence because they don't understand God or think God's ways are illogical are being incredibly small-minded and self important. Thinking you should understand everything about God is akin to admitting you think you are God.
    Post edited by know1 on
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1 said:

    brianlux said:

    I've long said that as soon as you try to define God, your god is to small. That idea came to me many years ago from reading J.B. Phillips book called Your God is Too Small.

    I found a similar, even better description of this idea- one that articulated the thought at least as well as or better than anything I've seen or read anywhere so far- in Captain Paul Watson's book Earthforce! An Earth Warriors Guide to Strategy. In it, Wilson says this:

    Christ, Mohammed, Buddha and L. Ron Hubbard were primates, cousins to the chimpanzee and the mountain gorilla just as were all the children of all a species of naked simians. In primateness, we can find family. Although anthropocentric humans may consider themselves to be divine legends in their own mind, the biological reality is that they are simply overly glorified, conceited apes.

    God is not a monkey. God is the unknown, the feminine force in divine harmony with the masculine force, the is and the is not, the positive and the negative, the alpha and the omega. God is everything and anything that can be imagined, but the one thing God is not is definable. Attempts by the anthropocentrists to define the unknown, to finite the infinite, have only led and continue to lead to ecological holocaust and the deaths of billions of lives.

    All wars have their foundations in the conflicts of anthropocentrism over philosophy, territory, resources and power.


    Earthforce!, 2nd Edition, pp 29-30

    Edit: It's WATSON not Wilson. Ooops!

    This is pretty close to my feelings on the subject as well.

    People who try to define God or deny God's existence because they don't understand God or think God's ways are illogical are being incredibly small-minded and self important. Thinking you should understand everything about God is akin to admitting you think you are God.
    What?

    This is arrogance at its finest. Your comment reads as follows: if you don't believe in God, then you are small-minded and self-important.

    If I have interpreted your utterings correctly, the irony here is rich. You see... people who think there is a god and he made us to occupy and rule the center of the universe are what I think- to use your words- small-minded and self-important.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 25,003
    edited July 2014
    I'm having a hard time sorting these last two comments out. Can you both clarify a bit?
    "Love and only love will break it down"
    -Neil Young
    ***********
    M.I.T.S.





  • know1know1 Posts: 6,554



    What?

    This is arrogance at its finest. Your comment reads as follows: if you don't believe in God, then you are small-minded and self-important.

    Nope. Read it again. I said if the REASON you don't believe God is because you can't understand God, then you're being small minded.

    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 43,509
    edited July 2014
    know1 said:

    brianlux said:

    I've long said that as soon as you try to define God, your god is to small. That idea came to me many years ago from reading J.B. Phillips book called Your God is Too Small.

    I found a similar, even better description of this idea- one that articulated the thought at least as well as or better than anything I've seen or read anywhere so far- in Captain Paul Watson's book Earthforce! An Earth Warriors Guide to Strategy. In it, Wilson says this:

    Christ, Mohammed, Buddha and L. Ron Hubbard were primates, cousins to the chimpanzee and the mountain gorilla just as were all the children of all a species of naked simians. In primateness, we can find family. Although anthropocentric humans may consider themselves to be divine legends in their own mind, the biological reality is that they are simply overly glorified, conceited apes.

    God is not a monkey. God is the unknown, the feminine force in divine harmony with the masculine force, the is and the is not, the positive and the negative, the alpha and the omega. God is everything and anything that can be imagined, but the one thing God is not is definable. Attempts by the anthropocentrists to define the unknown, to finite the infinite, have only led and continue to lead to ecological holocaust and the deaths of billions of lives.

    All wars have their foundations in the conflicts of anthropocentrism over philosophy, territory, resources and power.


    Earthforce!, 2nd Edition, pp 29-30

    Edit: It's WATSON not Wilson. Ooops!

    This is pretty close to my feelings on the subject as well.

    People who try to define God or deny God's existence because they don't understand God or think God's ways are illogical are being incredibly small-minded and self important. Thinking you should understand everything about God is akin to admitting you think you are God.
    I don't deny God's existence because I don't understand God or that his ways are illogical (my last post was a joke btw). I don't believe in God because the very idea that God exists is completely illogical. The theory of not being able to deny God because there is no proof that he DOESN'T exist is a completely illogical theory. That is literally the same as saying that no one can deny the existence of a 100 foot long pink dragon that breathes cotton candy and can move things with his mind. He also has full control of how smart or dumb each of us are. He decides it when we're born, not when we're conceived. You can't deny the existence of said dragon because I just made him up and I claim that he exists. I even wrote a book about him! It's really good. So you believe in him, right? If not, it's because you are small-minded and don't understand him, mkay? ;)

    I can't not understand or believe to be illogical what I don't think exists in the first place. My atheism has nothing to do with not understanding something. I was surprised to see you call Atheists small-minded and self-important.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • know1 said:



    What?

    This is arrogance at its finest. Your comment reads as follows: if you don't believe in God, then you are small-minded and self-important.

    Nope. Read it again. I said if the REASON you don't believe God is because you can't understand God, then you're being small minded.

    I read it again. You defined three different types of people as being small-minded. Here's what you said (with the three different people in parentheses):

    People who try to define God (person #1) or deny God's existence because they don't understand God (person #2) or think God's ways are illogical (person #3) are being incredibly small-minded and self important.

    The statement is most certainly critical of many non-believers.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,GreecePosts: 11,771
    brianlux said:

    23scidoo said:

    ''God is everything and anything that can be imagined, but the one thing God is not is definable. Attempts by the anthropocentrists to define the unknown, to finite the infinite, have only led and continue to lead to ecological holocaust and the deaths of billions of lives.''

    i agree brianlux,but is this not the destination of the human race?..reach the uknown?..touch the stars?..find our inside god?..ad astra per aspera..if you want to go above,you have to go below first..

    Interesting thought, 23scidoo, but I'm not sure what our destination is other than that on our current path, our destination is extinction of our species and that many, many others that we are taking down with us. The point of Waton's (I said "Wilson earlier by mistake) quote is that most religion is based on anthropocentric thinking which leaves all other life pretty much out of the picture and other than perhaps some indigenous beliefs, particularly American Indian beliefs, ignores the divine nature of everything living and non-living.

    Another good quote from Watson:

    "The truth is not to be found in Christian icons, Judaic writings, Islamic rules, Buddhist meditations, dianetics or any of the theological inventions of humankind.

    The truth cannot be found in political philosophies.

    The truth can only be found by realizing that it cannot be found and that all is not knowable, that the infinite can never be comprehended by the finite. The purpose of life is life itself. The purpose of death is rebirth. The purpose of birth is death. The immortality of humanity as in all species is to be found in the Continuum."


    This doesn't mean we can't reach for the stars or seek to better understand the unknown but if we do so with the belief that we are separate or better or above all else, or that we can define or find a god or belief we ourselves have invented we will only reach a dead end. If our perspective is that we are a part of a greater whole we might become part of that whole that is undefinable and divine.

    i'm not follower of any religion and i don't know if there is a god or not..but most of all, i don't believe almost nobody who tells me he got the truth..the truth is something subjective i guess..if you ask a christian he tells you:yes man its true,i know..and yes.. its true for him..if you ask a buddhist,he tells you the same..and he can fly for his god or walk on the water..i'm more interesting for the questions but the answers..i agree again,we are parts of the big picture..if we start wonder about what the fuck is going on here and who the fuck we are..we gonna have two results..a better planet and better hymanity..eddie said..i'm a seed wondering why it grows..you sould visit a greek island..standing at the sunset above of the sea..behind you few white houses with blue windows..starting wonder.. :)
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 25,003
    23scidoo said:

    brianlux said:

    23scidoo said:

    ''God is everything and anything that can be imagined, but the one thing God is not is definable. Attempts by the anthropocentrists to define the unknown, to finite the infinite, have only led and continue to lead to ecological holocaust and the deaths of billions of lives.''

    i agree brianlux,but is this not the destination of the human race?..reach the uknown?..touch the stars?..find our inside god?..ad astra per aspera..if you want to go above,you have to go below first..

    Interesting thought, 23scidoo, but I'm not sure what our destination is other than that on our current path, our destination is extinction of our species and that many, many others that we are taking down with us. The point of Waton's (I said "Wilson earlier by mistake) quote is that most religion is based on anthropocentric thinking which leaves all other life pretty much out of the picture and other than perhaps some indigenous beliefs, particularly American Indian beliefs, ignores the divine nature of everything living and non-living.

    Another good quote from Watson:

    "The truth is not to be found in Christian icons, Judaic writings, Islamic rules, Buddhist meditations, dianetics or any of the theological inventions of humankind.

    The truth cannot be found in political philosophies.

    The truth can only be found by realizing that it cannot be found and that all is not knowable, that the infinite can never be comprehended by the finite. The purpose of life is life itself. The purpose of death is rebirth. The purpose of birth is death. The immortality of humanity as in all species is to be found in the Continuum."


    This doesn't mean we can't reach for the stars or seek to better understand the unknown but if we do so with the belief that we are separate or better or above all else, or that we can define or find a god or belief we ourselves have invented we will only reach a dead end. If our perspective is that we are a part of a greater whole we might become part of that whole that is undefinable and divine.

    i'm not follower of any religion and i don't know if there is a god or not..but most of all, i don't believe almost nobody who tells me he got the truth..the truth is something subjective i guess..if you ask a christian he tells you:yes man its true,i know..and yes.. its true for him..if you ask a buddhist,he tells you the same..and he can fly for his god or walk on the water..i'm more interesting for the questions but the answers..i agree again,we are parts of the big picture..if we start wonder about what the fuck is going on here and who the fuck we are..we gonna have two results..a better planet and better hymanity..eddie said..i'm a seed wondering why it grows..you sould visit a greek island..standing at the sunset above of the sea..behind you few white houses with blue windows..starting wonder.. :)
    I would LOVE to visit a Greek Island. Hell, I would love to BUY a Greek Island if I could, haha!

    But I know what you mean. Today I stood at the base of 10,000 ft. (3048 meter) Round Top Mountain in the Sierra Nevada Mountain Range and watched these huge, massive, surreal clouds build and pour over the top of that mountain in a way that was truly awe inspiring. An act of nature like this alone is enough to leave me very satisfied with not needing a mythological god. Nature at it's finest is the closest thing to a god I could ever ask for. Not that God doesn't possibly exist but if God does exist, that is out of the range of my human perception and understanding and I'm ok with that. :-)

    "Love and only love will break it down"
    -Neil Young
    ***********
    M.I.T.S.





  • know1know1 Posts: 6,554
    PJ_Soul said:


    I don't deny God's existence because I don't understand God or that his ways are illogical (my last post was a joke btw). I don't believe in God because the very idea that God exists is completely illogical.

    That is the same thing. You're essentially saying that if a Supreme Being doesn't make sense to your human mind, then it must not exist.

    In other words, you are saying that, based upon your human knowledge and experience, the existence of God doesn't make sense so it must not be true.

    What I was saying is that essentially shows that, for you to believe in a God, that God has to make logical sense to you. In other words, the God is probably not any more powerful, complex or impressive than you can comprehend.

    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,554

    know1 said:



    What?

    This is arrogance at its finest. Your comment reads as follows: if you don't believe in God, then you are small-minded and self-important.

    Nope. Read it again. I said if the REASON you don't believe God is because you can't understand God, then you're being small minded.

    I read it again. You defined three different types of people as being small-minded. Here's what you said (with the three different people in parentheses):

    People who try to define God (person #1) or deny God's existence because they don't understand God (person #2) or think God's ways are illogical (person #3) are being incredibly small-minded and self important.

    The statement is most certainly critical of many non-believers.
    I'm not sure about 3 different people, but I will agree that my statement is critical of MANY non-believers. But your reply said I was critical of ALL non believers so I see you've realized that you misunderstood it.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,554
    PJ_Soul said:

    If there were a God the world and people would be a hell of a lot better than they are, and there would be no mosquitoes.
    People who think that God created us and the world and everything, they must not have a very good opinion of him!
    :D

    And in my opinion, people who judge God by the world and our mortal life are missing the much bigger picture.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    brianlux said:

    23scidoo said:

    brianlux said:

    23scidoo said:

    ''God is everything and anything that can be imagined, but the one thing God is not is definable. Attempts by the anthropocentrists to define the unknown, to finite the infinite, have only led and continue to lead to ecological holocaust and the deaths of billions of lives.''

    i agree brianlux,but is this not the destination of the human race?..reach the uknown?..touch the stars?..find our inside god?..ad astra per aspera..if you want to go above,you have to go below first..

    Interesting thought, 23scidoo, but I'm not sure what our destination is other than that on our current path, our destination is extinction of our species and that many, many others that we are taking down with us. The point of Waton's (I said "Wilson earlier by mistake) quote is that most religion is based on anthropocentric thinking which leaves all other life pretty much out of the picture and other than perhaps some indigenous beliefs, particularly American Indian beliefs, ignores the divine nature of everything living and non-living.

    Another good quote from Watson:

    "The truth is not to be found in Christian icons, Judaic writings, Islamic rules, Buddhist meditations, dianetics or any of the theological inventions of humankind.

    The truth cannot be found in political philosophies.

    The truth can only be found by realizing that it cannot be found and that all is not knowable, that the infinite can never be comprehended by the finite. The purpose of life is life itself. The purpose of death is rebirth. The purpose of birth is death. The immortality of humanity as in all species is to be found in the Continuum."


    This doesn't mean we can't reach for the stars or seek to better understand the unknown but if we do so with the belief that we are separate or better or above all else, or that we can define or find a god or belief we ourselves have invented we will only reach a dead end. If our perspective is that we are a part of a greater whole we might become part of that whole that is undefinable and divine.

    i'm not follower of any religion and i don't know if there is a god or not..but most of all, i don't believe almost nobody who tells me he got the truth..the truth is something subjective i guess..if you ask a christian he tells you:yes man its true,i know..and yes.. its true for him..if you ask a buddhist,he tells you the same..and he can fly for his god or walk on the water..i'm more interesting for the questions but the answers..i agree again,we are parts of the big picture..if we start wonder about what the fuck is going on here and who the fuck we are..we gonna have two results..a better planet and better hymanity..eddie said..i'm a seed wondering why it grows..you sould visit a greek island..standing at the sunset above of the sea..behind you few white houses with blue windows..starting wonder.. :)
    I would LOVE to visit a Greek Island. Hell, I would love to BUY a Greek Island if I could, haha!

    But I know what you mean. Today I stood at the base of 10,000 ft. (3048 meter) Round Top Mountain in the Sierra Nevada Mountain Range and watched these huge, massive, surreal clouds build and pour over the top of that mountain in a way that was truly awe inspiring. An act of nature like this alone is enough to leave me very satisfied with not needing a mythological god. Nature at it's finest is the closest thing to a god I could ever ask for. Not that God doesn't possibly exist but if God does exist, that is out of the range of my human perception and understanding and I'm ok with that. :-)

    Wonderful Brian. With on these thoughts.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    know1 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    If there were a God the world and people would be a hell of a lot better than they are, and there would be no mosquitoes.
    People who think that God created us and the world and everything, they must not have a very good opinion of him!
    :D

    And in my opinion, people who judge God by the world and our mortal life are missing the much bigger picture.
    Guess my rub is the judgement, Acceptance and damnation. There are so many gods how can one be the true god. In a bible that I could follow, it would have one page with one line. "Do onto others as you would have them do onto you."
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,GreecePosts: 11,771
    brianlux said:

    23scidoo said:

    brianlux said:

    23scidoo said:

    ''God is everything and anything that can be imagined, but the one thing God is not is definable. Attempts by the anthropocentrists to define the unknown, to finite the infinite, have only led and continue to lead to ecological holocaust and the deaths of billions of lives.''

    i agree brianlux,but is this not the destination of the human race?..reach the uknown?..touch the stars?..find our inside god?..ad astra per aspera..if you want to go above,you have to go below first..

    Interesting thought, 23scidoo, but I'm not sure what our destination is other than that on our current path, our destination is extinction of our species and that many, many others that we are taking down with us. The point of Waton's (I said "Wilson earlier by mistake) quote is that most religion is based on anthropocentric thinking which leaves all other life pretty much out of the picture and other than perhaps some indigenous beliefs, particularly American Indian beliefs, ignores the divine nature of everything living and non-living.

    Another good quote from Watson:

    "The truth is not to be found in Christian icons, Judaic writings, Islamic rules, Buddhist meditations, dianetics or any of the theological inventions of humankind.

    The truth cannot be found in political philosophies.

    The truth can only be found by realizing that it cannot be found and that all is not knowable, that the infinite can never be comprehended by the finite. The purpose of life is life itself. The purpose of death is rebirth. The purpose of birth is death. The immortality of humanity as in all species is to be found in the Continuum."


    This doesn't mean we can't reach for the stars or seek to better understand the unknown but if we do so with the belief that we are separate or better or above all else, or that we can define or find a god or belief we ourselves have invented we will only reach a dead end. If our perspective is that we are a part of a greater whole we might become part of that whole that is undefinable and divine.

    i'm not follower of any religion and i don't know if there is a god or not..but most of all, i don't believe almost nobody who tells me he got the truth..the truth is something subjective i guess..if you ask a christian he tells you:yes man its true,i know..and yes.. its true for him..if you ask a buddhist,he tells you the same..and he can fly for his god or walk on the water..i'm more interesting for the questions but the answers..i agree again,we are parts of the big picture..if we start wonder about what the fuck is going on here and who the fuck we are..we gonna have two results..a better planet and better hymanity..eddie said..i'm a seed wondering why it grows..you sould visit a greek island..standing at the sunset above of the sea..behind you few white houses with blue windows..starting wonder.. :)
    I would LOVE to visit a Greek Island. Hell, I would love to BUY a Greek Island if I could, haha!

    But I know what you mean. Today I stood at the base of 10,000 ft. (3048 meter) Round Top Mountain in the Sierra Nevada Mountain Range and watched these huge, massive, surreal clouds build and pour over the top of that mountain in a way that was truly awe inspiring. An act of nature like this alone is enough to leave me very satisfied with not needing a mythological god. Nature at it's finest is the closest thing to a god I could ever ask for. Not that God doesn't possibly exist but if God does exist, that is out of the range of my human perception and understanding and I'm ok with that. :-)

    '''Do you see the way that tree bends?
    Does it inspire?''

    ''Have you ideas on how this life ends?
    Checked your hands and studied the lines
    Have you the belief that the road ahead, ascends off into the light?''

    i don't know eddie..but i swear to all the greek gods, i'll try to figure out..thank you brian for your thoughts..i always love to have food for thought.. :-h
    Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
    Prague Krakow Berlin 2018.
    EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
  • know1 said:

    know1 said:



    What?

    This is arrogance at its finest. Your comment reads as follows: if you don't believe in God, then you are small-minded and self-important.

    Nope. Read it again. I said if the REASON you don't believe God is because you can't understand God, then you're being small minded.

    I read it again. You defined three different types of people as being small-minded. Here's what you said (with the three different people in parentheses):

    People who try to define God (person #1) or deny God's existence because they don't understand God (person #2) or think God's ways are illogical (person #3) are being incredibly small-minded and self important.

    The statement is most certainly critical of many non-believers.
    I'm not sure about 3 different people, but I will agree that my statement is critical of MANY non-believers. But your reply said I was critical of ALL non believers so I see you've realized that you misunderstood it.
    You can keep running from your statement if you want, but the bottom line is you openly criticized the majority of non-believers for not believing. I never misunderstood anything. And... you threw another veiled insult in one of your last posts.

    But, people like me are used to the devoutly religious types warning me of my evil ways for not dropping to my knees every Sunday and throwing my bills on to the offering plate as they so eagerly do. I understand where they are coming from though so I don't typically belittle them- their programming has been exceptional and done at an age where the mind is easily shaped. To illustrate what I mean consider the fact that at one time, I believed intensely in Santa Clause. I'm not kidding. I loved that man for many years and if anyone had even hinted that perhaps he wasn't real... well... it was on. Not only that, I would go home and tell my parents how Johnny could expect a nice big bag of coal for Christmas after what he claimed. Of course, as I grew older and wiser, the clouds gradually moved away from the sun and I saw things for what they actually were as I began to question what was heaped on me. As strong and as much as I once believed in the man... the improbability of the story gave way to common sense and lack of evidence (even the half bitten cookie and the empty glass of milk weren't enough).

    I also used to have a relationship with God. As I child I was sold religion and I eagerly bought it. As a child, who wouldn't? I didn't want to die and the thought of eternal life made me embrace anything that promised something to the contrary. But, as in my previous situation (much later though), I began to have serious questions while never receiving answers anywhere close to being satisfactory: "Just believe" doesn't cut it for me. I grew older and wiser and I began to see things clearly as the clouds moved away from the sun again: the improbability of the story gave way to common sense and lack of evidence.

    Bottom line: on my death bed, I'll hopefully look back at my life and feel proud of what I did on my time on earth and accept death for what it is- a natural part of the life cycle for all animals on this planet. Hopefully, I will have lived a rich life that I won't lie there regretting what I didn't do instead of celebrating what I did.

    If someone else passes peacefully while anticipating a spiritual passing into another dimension, I really couldn't care- that is for that person and if it makes their final day (and life for that matter) better believing such... good. Just don't smirk at others for not needing such a belief to get through their existence and face their days.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 25,003
    23scidoo said:

    brianlux said:

    23scidoo said:

    brianlux said:

    23scidoo said:

    ''God is everything and anything that can be imagined, but the one thing God is not is definable. Attempts by the anthropocentrists to define the unknown, to finite the infinite, have only led and continue to lead to ecological holocaust and the deaths of billions of lives.''

    i agree brianlux,but is this not the destination of the human race?..reach the uknown?..touch the stars?..find our inside god?..ad astra per aspera..if you want to go above,you have to go below first..

    Interesting thought, 23scidoo, but I'm not sure what our destination is other than that on our current path, our destination is extinction of our species and that many, many others that we are taking down with us. The point of Waton's (I said "Wilson earlier by mistake) quote is that most religion is based on anthropocentric thinking which leaves all other life pretty much out of the picture and other than perhaps some indigenous beliefs, particularly American Indian beliefs, ignores the divine nature of everything living and non-living.

    Another good quote from Watson:

    "The truth is not to be found in Christian icons, Judaic writings, Islamic rules, Buddhist meditations, dianetics or any of the theological inventions of humankind.

    The truth cannot be found in political philosophies.

    The truth can only be found by realizing that it cannot be found and that all is not knowable, that the infinite can never be comprehended by the finite. The purpose of life is life itself. The purpose of death is rebirth. The purpose of birth is death. The immortality of humanity as in all species is to be found in the Continuum."


    This doesn't mean we can't reach for the stars or seek to better understand the unknown but if we do so with the belief that we are separate or better or above all else, or that we can define or find a god or belief we ourselves have invented we will only reach a dead end. If our perspective is that we are a part of a greater whole we might become part of that whole that is undefinable and divine.

    i'm not follower of any religion and i don't know if there is a god or not..but most of all, i don't believe almost nobody who tells me he got the truth..the truth is something subjective i guess..if you ask a christian he tells you:yes man its true,i know..and yes.. its true for him..if you ask a buddhist,he tells you the same..and he can fly for his god or walk on the water..i'm more interesting for the questions but the answers..i agree again,we are parts of the big picture..if we start wonder about what the fuck is going on here and who the fuck we are..we gonna have two results..a better planet and better hymanity..eddie said..i'm a seed wondering why it grows..you sould visit a greek island..standing at the sunset above of the sea..behind you few white houses with blue windows..starting wonder.. :)
    I would LOVE to visit a Greek Island. Hell, I would love to BUY a Greek Island if I could, haha!

    But I know what you mean. Today I stood at the base of 10,000 ft. (3048 meter) Round Top Mountain in the Sierra Nevada Mountain Range and watched these huge, massive, surreal clouds build and pour over the top of that mountain in a way that was truly awe inspiring. An act of nature like this alone is enough to leave me very satisfied with not needing a mythological god. Nature at it's finest is the closest thing to a god I could ever ask for. Not that God doesn't possibly exist but if God does exist, that is out of the range of my human perception and understanding and I'm ok with that. :-)

    '''Do you see the way that tree bends?
    Does it inspire?''

    ''Have you ideas on how this life ends?
    Checked your hands and studied the lines
    Have you the belief that the road ahead, ascends off into the light?''

    i don't know eddie..but i swear to all the greek gods, i'll try to figure out..thank you brian for your thoughts..i always love to have food for thought.. :-h
    Likewise, scidoo.

    :-bd
    "Love and only love will break it down"
    -Neil Young
    ***********
    M.I.T.S.





  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 43,509
    23scidoo said:

    brianlux said:

    23scidoo said:

    ''God is everything and anything that can be imagined, but the one thing God is not is definable. Attempts by the anthropocentrists to define the unknown, to finite the infinite, have only led and continue to lead to ecological holocaust and the deaths of billions of lives.''

    i agree brianlux,but is this not the destination of the human race?..reach the uknown?..touch the stars?..find our inside god?..ad astra per aspera..if you want to go above,you have to go below first..

    Interesting thought, 23scidoo, but I'm not sure what our destination is other than that on our current path, our destination is extinction of our species and that many, many others that we are taking down with us. The point of Waton's (I said "Wilson earlier by mistake) quote is that most religion is based on anthropocentric thinking which leaves all other life pretty much out of the picture and other than perhaps some indigenous beliefs, particularly American Indian beliefs, ignores the divine nature of everything living and non-living.

    Another good quote from Watson:

    "The truth is not to be found in Christian icons, Judaic writings, Islamic rules, Buddhist meditations, dianetics or any of the theological inventions of humankind.

    The truth cannot be found in political philosophies.

    The truth can only be found by realizing that it cannot be found and that all is not knowable, that the infinite can never be comprehended by the finite. The purpose of life is life itself. The purpose of death is rebirth. The purpose of birth is death. The immortality of humanity as in all species is to be found in the Continuum."


    This doesn't mean we can't reach for the stars or seek to better understand the unknown but if we do so with the belief that we are separate or better or above all else, or that we can define or find a god or belief we ourselves have invented we will only reach a dead end. If our perspective is that we are a part of a greater whole we might become part of that whole that is undefinable and divine.

    i'm not follower of any religion and i don't know if there is a god or not..but most of all, i don't believe almost nobody who tells me he got the truth..the truth is something subjective i guess..if you ask a christian he tells you:yes man its true,i know..and yes.. its true for him..if you ask a buddhist,he tells you the same..and he can fly for his god or walk on the water..i'm more interesting for the questions but the answers..i agree again,we are parts of the big picture..if we start wonder about what the fuck is going on here and who the fuck we are..we gonna have two results..a better planet and better hymanity..eddie said..i'm a seed wondering why it grows..you sould visit a greek island..standing at the sunset above of the sea..behind you few white houses with blue windows..starting wonder.. :)
    Actual truth is completely objective though, just for the record. ;)
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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