9/11 "Conspiracy" Theories

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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 2,734
    I really liked the WMD conspiracy ... 
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 15,804
    Show me a 757 in this video... supposedly flying a few feet off the ground... at a few hundred MPH... piloted by a poorly trained amateur pilot... who hits his target dead on square.... he didn't come even a few hundred yards short, he threaded the needle, in a 757, a few feet off the ground, travelling at a high rate of speed, with minimal training (yeah, no questions there)


  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 7,941
    You conspiracy people really need to do minimal research and debunk yourselves. For fucks sake I can't believe adults still believe some of this shit that has been proven wrong over and over again  
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 16,747
    You conspiracy people really need to do minimal research and debunk yourselves. For fucks sake I can't believe adults still believe some of this shit that has been proven wrong over and over again  
    Always question the answers. 
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 15,804
    edited September 13
    Is this where all the condescending people come in passing judgement on those just asking questions?

    Humans can be fucking evil. Americans aren't any different.

    Who in here knows about the Russian apartment bombings? Do you think those were false flag attacks or "terrorism" as was claimed by the Russian government?

    They told you their goal was continued global hegemony into the next century... they laid out the plan for it for everyone to see... they stated a major event was needed to achieve their goal... they take power.... 9/11 happens... then they lied to you about wmd without blinking and slaughtered a few hundred thousand people while laying a nation to waste... authorized torture, kidnapping, black rendition sites, people held forever without charges.... that's not an oopsie, that shit was fucking evil... and you ridicule people that dare to have questions? Lol, yeah, ok. 

    Just a few decades ago educated members of an advanced industrial nation systematically murdered a few million people just because of their heritage... millions were gassed, burned, starved... for no reason... which should tell you humans are capable if evil you cant even comprehend... and this was very modern history... so yeah, I'm comfortable saying things about 9/11 will always tickle my imagination. With all of the information available, I think its foolish to think otherwise
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 16,747
    edited September 13
    my2hands said:
    Is this where all the condescending people come in passing judgement on those just asking questions?

    Humans can be fucking evil. Americans aren't any different.

    Who in here knows about the Russian apartment bombings? Do you think those were false flag attacks or "terrorism" as was claimed by the Russian government?

    They told you their goal was continued global hegemony into the next century... they laid out the plan for it for everyone to see... they stated a major event was needed to achieve their goal... they take power.... 9/11 happens... then they lied to you about wmd without blinking and slaughtered a few hundred thousand people while laying a nation to waste... authorized torture, kidnapping, black rendition sites, people held forever without charges.... and you ridicule people that dare to have questions? Lol, yeah, ok. Suckers

    Just a few decades ago educated members of an advanced industrial nation systematically murdered a few million people just because of their heritage... millions were gassed, burned, starved... for no reason... which should tell you humans are capable if evil you cant even comprehend... and this was very modern history... so yeah, I'm comfortable saying things about 9/11 will always tickle my imagination. With all of the information available, I think its foolish to think otherwise
    reichstag fire anyone?
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 15,804
    https://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/04/us/a-trainee-noted-for-incompetence.html

    "He could not fly at all"

    Yup, why ask questions? Lol
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 16,747
    my2hands said:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/04/us/a-trainee-noted-for-incompetence.html

    "He could not fly at all"

    Yup, why ask questions? Lol
    ''I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon,'' the former employee said. ''He could not fly at all.''
    interesting.  That pentagon video always bothered me because it looks more like a missile than a plane.
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 7,037
    If you ask questions, that’s cool. But also look for answers. 
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 16,747
    If you ask questions, that’s cool. But also look for answers. 
    Absolutely.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 15,804
    mcgruff10 said:
    my2hands said:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/04/us/a-trainee-noted-for-incompetence.html

    "He could not fly at all"

    Yup, why ask questions? Lol
    ''I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon,'' the former employee said. ''He could not fly at all.''
    interesting.  That pentagon video always bothered me because it looks more like a missile than a plane.
    You dont see a 757, bro? Lol

    I mean shit, they are only 150 feet long and 130 feet wide, I'm sure it's just the frame by frame video that explains why we dont see a plane fly straight into a building only feet off the ground :)
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 15,804
    edited September 14
    If you ask questions, that’s cool. But also look for answers. 
    When you find them, let me know

    I like answers that match up with basic common sense, havent seen too many of those for the questions that linger about the pentagon. But I'm open, and dont claim to know what happened, I would love to just see a clear video. 

    You see a 757 in that clip?

    Who can see a 757 in that video? 150 feet long, 130 feet wide. 
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 16,747
    my2hands said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    my2hands said:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/04/us/a-trainee-noted-for-incompetence.html

    "He could not fly at all"

    Yup, why ask questions? Lol
    ''I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon,'' the former employee said. ''He could not fly at all.''
    interesting.  That pentagon video always bothered me because it looks more like a missile than a plane.
    You dont see a 757, bro? Lol

    I mean shit, they are only 150 feet long and 130 feet wide, I'm sure it's just the frame by frame video that explains why we dont see a plane fly straight into a building only feet off the ground :)
    Ok so let’s say that it was a missile and not a plane. Then what happened to that flight? What happened to the people? Where is the wreckage? Why was a missile being fired toward the pentagon?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 15,804
    mcgruff10 said:
    my2hands said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    my2hands said:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/04/us/a-trainee-noted-for-incompetence.html

    "He could not fly at all"

    Yup, why ask questions? Lol
    ''I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon,'' the former employee said. ''He could not fly at all.''
    interesting.  That pentagon video always bothered me because it looks more like a missile than a plane.
    You dont see a 757, bro? Lol

    I mean shit, they are only 150 feet long and 130 feet wide, I'm sure it's just the frame by frame video that explains why we dont see a plane fly straight into a building only feet off the ground :)
    Ok so let’s say that it was a missile and not a plane. Then what happened to that flight? What happened to the people? Where is the wreckage? Why was a missile being fired toward the pentagon?
    I do not pretend to have those answers. I have the same questions. 

    How would you keep it quiet? Trust me, I get it.

    And if you use planes to hit the WTC, why not use a plane to hit the pentagon? 

    Fair questions, no doubt. Show a clear video of the most secure building in the world getting hit by a 757 and those questions would all disappear,  but here we are. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 17,005
    edited September 14
    my2hands said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    Take the official government report and the wildest conspiracy theory...the truth is somewhere in between.
    I’d be interested in why you think it’s a theory or believe there is/was a conspiracy.
    Because I don’t consume what is spoonfed.  I am not applying this to only 9/11.
    But there is a difference between not being “spoon fed” and automatically rejecting all official reports just because they are official reports. There have been many years to assess the claims, and lots of research since. What specific aspects do you have evidence are not true? 

    Lots of people like to claim that events “couldn’t” have occurred as reported, because of their personal beliefs about, for instance, how metal reacts at high temperatures. Those people tend not to be materials scientists, though, and don’t usually know or understand what actually has been proven to be possible. 
    Your question is impossible to answer accurately since not all information has ever been released to the public.

    I actually have many unanswered questions, but it has been 17 years and I doubt the answers will ever be given.
    Why don’t you list your questions?
    You first
    No questions to ask really except a few peripheral but I asked first. Further, a favorite tactic of conspiracy theorists is A: they believe they’re smarter than you because you’ve been “spoon fed,” and B: then they won’t list what it is they have questions about because “all” the information hasn’t been released. Put up or shut up or list your questions. Maybe you’ll be educated or we’ll find common ground.
     
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 7,941
    edited September 14
    my2hands said:
    If you ask questions, that’s cool. But also look for answers. 
    When you find them, let me know

    I like answers that match up with basic common sense, havent seen too many of those for the questions that linger about the pentagon. But I'm open, and dont claim to know what happened, I would love to just see a clear video. 

    You see a 757 in that clip?

    Who can see a 757 in that video? 150 feet long, 130 feet wide. 
    Ask the eye witnesses for fucks sake. There were plenty. There were also light poles wiped out by the plane that hit the pentagon. All of this is old news. So simple to find. 
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 7,941
    Unbelievable that we are still rehashing this shit. Read the fucking news. 
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    Remember the Thomas Nine!! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville
    2003: Noblesville
    2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville
    2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago
    2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1
    2018: Wrigley #1, Wrigley #2, Boston #1, Boston #2
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 7,941
    136 people saw the fucking plane 
    Remember the Thomas Nine!! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville
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    2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville
    2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago
    2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1
    2018: Wrigley #1, Wrigley #2, Boston #1, Boston #2
  • my2hands said:
    Is this where all the condescending people come in passing judgement on those just asking questions?

    Humans can be fucking evil. Americans aren't any different.

    Who in here knows about the Russian apartment bombings? Do you think those were false flag attacks or "terrorism" as was claimed by the Russian government?

    They told you their goal was continued global hegemony into the next century... they laid out the plan for it for everyone to see... they stated a major event was needed to achieve their goal... they take power.... 9/11 happens... then they lied to you about wmd without blinking and slaughtered a few hundred thousand people while laying a nation to waste... authorized torture, kidnapping, black rendition sites, people held forever without charges.... that's not an oopsie, that shit was fucking evil... and you ridicule people that dare to have questions? Lol, yeah, ok. 

    Just a few decades ago educated members of an advanced industrial nation systematically murdered a few million people just because of their heritage... millions were gassed, burned, starved... for no reason... which should tell you humans are capable if evil you cant even comprehend... and this was very modern history... so yeah, I'm comfortable saying things about 9/11 will always tickle my imagination. With all of the information available, I think its foolish to think otherwise
    So list your doubts and fears about 9/11. It’s not enough to have them. You need to express them.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 6,552

    Debunking the Myths About the 9/11 Attack on the Pentagon

    Conspiracy theorists who doubt the facts about the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks didn't stop with the World Trade Center. Here, we answer their claims about the attack on the Pentagon.

    https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a5659/debunking-911-myths-pentagon/


    Debunking Myths About United Flight 93

    United 93 crashed on September 11, 2001. Here, we debunk the conspiracy theories about the incident.

    https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a5688/debunking-911-myths-flight-93/


    Debunking 9/11 Myths: About the Airplanes

    Some "truthers" believe the planes that hit the World Trade Center and Pentagon on 9/11 were not commercial airliners at all. Here are the facts.

    https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a5654/debunking-911-myths-planes/




    A decade after the World Trade Center disaster, rampant speculation abounds on what actually happened. Wild talk flourishes on the Internet, TV, and radio. Was the Pentagon really struck by a missile? Was the untimely death of Barry Jennings, who witnessed the collapse of Tower 7 and thought he heard “explosions,” actually an assassination ? Not everyone is convinced the truth is out there. Once again, in this updated edition of the critically acclaimed Debunking 9/11 MythsPopular Mechanics counters the conspiracy theorists with a dose of hard, cold facts.
     
    The magazine consulted more than 300 experts in fields like air traffic control, aviation, civil engineering, fire fighting, and metallurgy, and then rigorously, meticulously, and scientifically analyzed the 25 most persistent 9/11 conspiracy theories. Each one was conclusively refuted with facts, not politics and rumors, including five new myths involving the collapse of 7 World Trade Center and four longstanding conjectures now considered in the context of new research.

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/1588165477/?tag=popularmechanics_auto-append-20&ascsubtag=[artid|10060.a.6384[src|[ch|





    Ugh, every year the same bullshit. Buy the book please, all the common sense answers are there.


  • I believe it was all a terror attack. 
    Sadly in this day and age people want to find an internet response to everything. Like an over the top extreme version of everything. 
    Awful . Tragic and inhumane . 
    That s my view. 
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,GreecePosts: 11,793
    Your government never tell you the truth..and you should ask for that..
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 15,804
    dignin said:

    Debunking the Myths About the 9/11 Attack on the Pentagon

    Conspiracy theorists who doubt the facts about the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks didn't stop with the World Trade Center. Here, we answer their claims about the attack on the Pentagon.

    https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a5659/debunking-911-myths-pentagon/



    Yeah, that's just as weak as I remember reading it the first time years ago. 

  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 15,804
    As a side note, I love when "adults" get upset about even discussing this. I think it's odd.
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 2,734
    23scidoo said:
    Your government never tell you the truth..and you should ask for that..

    Government and politicians in particular are incapable of being honest...
  • riotgrlriotgrl LOUISVILLEPosts: 1,848
    I'd follow up with telling you to have conversations with people who are former military intelligence.  Very enlightening conversations about a lot of things. You can learn a lot of very scary things about our government and our military.
    Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?

    Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...

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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 16,747
    my2hands said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    my2hands said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    my2hands said:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/04/us/a-trainee-noted-for-incompetence.html

    "He could not fly at all"

    Yup, why ask questions? Lol
    ''I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon,'' the former employee said. ''He could not fly at all.''
    interesting.  That pentagon video always bothered me because it looks more like a missile than a plane.
    You dont see a 757, bro? Lol

    I mean shit, they are only 150 feet long and 130 feet wide, I'm sure it's just the frame by frame video that explains why we dont see a plane fly straight into a building only feet off the ground :)
    Ok so let’s say that it was a missile and not a plane. Then what happened to that flight? What happened to the people? Where is the wreckage? Why was a missile being fired toward the pentagon?
    I do not pretend to have those answers. I have the same questions. 

    How would you keep it quiet? Trust me, I get it.

    And if you use planes to hit the WTC, why not use a plane to hit the pentagon? 

    Fair questions, no doubt. Show a clear video of the most secure building in the world getting hit by a 757 and those questions would all disappear,  but here we are. 
    I just don't see a 757 in the video that was released.  What the heck is it?  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 16,747
    136 people saw the fucking plane 
    You see a plane in the released video?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 7,941
    my2hands said:
    As a side note, I love when "adults" get upset about even discussing this. I think it's odd.
    What is odd is adults that can't separate truth from bullshit.
    Remember the Thomas Nine!! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville
    2003: Noblesville
    2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville
    2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago
    2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1
    2018: Wrigley #1, Wrigley #2, Boston #1, Boston #2
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