9/11 "Conspiracy" Theories

rgambs

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

136 people saw the fucking plane 

You see a plane in the released video?

yes at 24 second mark....this is a stop action video...notice how jumpy the vehicle is?  So take the hit at the 24 second mark, add that to the 136 EYEWITNESSES THAT SAY THEY SAW A FUCKING AIRPLANE HIT THE PENTAGON and tell me how you would summarize that.

Eyewitnesses also saw Michael Brown with his hands up and something like half the population has "eyewitnessed" a ghost or UFO... 
It's too fast to be caught on camera, but dude could see in the windows?

Gern your anger and indignation on the topic really just feeds into the mythos of people wanting to be spoon-fed information that puts them at ease.
I'm nothing close to a truther, but the government is hiding quite a large cache of information about 9/11 and there is no possible reason for it that doesn't lend credence to conspiracy theories.  

mace1229

mcgruff10 said:

my2hands said:

mcgruff10 said:

my2hands said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/04/us/a-trainee-noted-for-incompetence.html

"He could not fly at all"

Yup, why ask questions? Lol

''I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon,'' the former employee said. ''He could not fly at all.''
interesting.  That pentagon video always bothered me because it looks more like a missile than a plane.

You dont see a 757, bro? Lol

I mean shit, they are only 150 feet long and 130 feet wide, I'm sure it's just the frame by frame video that explains why we dont see a plane fly straight into a building only feet off the ground

Ok so let’s say that it was a missile and not a plane. Then what happened to that flight? What happened to the people? Where is the wreckage? Why was a missile being fired toward the pentagon?

Exactly why what 99% of the people accept what happened is the only explanation that makes any sense.
Its far, far more simple to accept it was terrorist that some highly involved, internal government scheme. 
The video is very low quality, could very easily be a plane that we see there. 

PJPOWER

rgambs said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

136 people saw the fucking plane 

You see a plane in the released video?

yes at 24 second mark....this is a stop action video...notice how jumpy the vehicle is?  So take the hit at the 24 second mark, add that to the 136 EYEWITNESSES THAT SAY THEY SAW A FUCKING AIRPLANE HIT THE PENTAGON and tell me how you would summarize that.

Eyewitnesses also saw Michael Brown with his hands up and something like half the population has "eyewitnessed" a ghost or UFO... 
It's too fast to be caught on camera, but dude could see in the windows?

Gern your anger and indignation on the topic really just feeds into the mythos of people wanting to be spoon-fed information that puts them at ease.
I'm nothing close to a truther, but the government is hiding quite a large cache of information about 9/11 and there is no possible reason for it that doesn't lend credence to conspiracy theories.  

How many eye witnesses saw anything other than a plane?  And your eyes see at a much higher “frame rate” than a 2001 cctv camera.  
I feel pretty good about the video posted above that surveyed the damage and was physics based.  Where is one refuting it?
I am all about asking questions and maybe the government is trying to cover up certain things, but I have no doubt that an airliner flew into that building.  Plenty of evidence showing that.  

Gern Blansten

PJPOWER said:

mickeyrat said:

my2hands said:

Show me a 757 in this video... supposedly flying a few feet off the ground... at a few hundred MPH... piloted by a poorly trained amateur pilot... who hits his target dead on square.... he didn't come even a few hundred yards short, he threaded the needle, in a 757, a few feet off the ground, travelling at a high rate of speed, with minimal training (yeah, no questions there)

https://youtu.be/AzFqXbfv_yg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvHXarRGF1M

Anyone have a similar video explaining the physics of any other object (other than an airliner) causing this damage?  

Good video...totally forgot about that one.  

Gern Blansten

rgambs said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

136 people saw the fucking plane 

You see a plane in the released video?

yes at 24 second mark....this is a stop action video...notice how jumpy the vehicle is?  So take the hit at the 24 second mark, add that to the 136 EYEWITNESSES THAT SAY THEY SAW A FUCKING AIRPLANE HIT THE PENTAGON and tell me how you would summarize that.

Eyewitnesses also saw Michael Brown with his hands up and something like half the population has "eyewitnessed" a ghost or UFO... 
It's too fast to be caught on camera, but dude could see in the windows?

Gern your anger and indignation on the topic really just feeds into the mythos of people wanting to be spoon-fed information that puts them at ease.
I'm nothing close to a truther, but the government is hiding quite a large cache of information about 9/11 and there is no possible reason for it that doesn't lend credence to conspiracy theories.  

oftenreading

rgambs said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

136 people saw the fucking plane 

You see a plane in the released video?

yes at 24 second mark....this is a stop action video...notice how jumpy the vehicle is?  So take the hit at the 24 second mark, add that to the 136 EYEWITNESSES THAT SAY THEY SAW A FUCKING AIRPLANE HIT THE PENTAGON and tell me how you would summarize that.

Eyewitnesses also saw Michael Brown with his hands up and something like half the population has "eyewitnessed" a ghost or UFO... 
It's too fast to be caught on camera, but dude could see in the windows?

Gern your anger and indignation on the topic really just feeds into the mythos of people wanting to be spoon-fed information that puts them at ease.
I'm nothing close to a truther, but the government is hiding quite a large cache of information about 9/11 and there is no possible reason for it that doesn't lend credence to conspiracy theories.  

No other possible reason?

i can think of one big one - national security concerns. 
 
Besides, the government reflexively holds back much of their information routinely without it being related to any conspiracy theories. 

Gern Blansten

What is it that the conspiracy theorists think happened to flight 77?  If the plane didn't hit the pentagon (as 136 eyewitnesses say) then where did it go?  

Gern Blansten

FACT: Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"

This dude lying?

pjhawks

Gern Blansten said:

What is it that the conspiracy theorists think happened to flight 77?  If the plane didn't hit the pentagon (as 136 eyewitnesses say) then where did it go?  

and how did we kill those people?   it would also mean air traffic controllers would have been in on the conspiracy too. 

Halifax2TheMax

Gern Blansten said:

What is it that the conspiracy theorists think happened to flight 77?  If the plane didn't hit the pentagon (as 136 eyewitnesses say) then where did it go?  

It was landed in Illinois, the passengers were removed and are in secret detention. The plane was then remotely flown into the pentagon. At least that’s what YouTube says so it must be true.

rgambs

oftenreading said:

rgambs said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

136 people saw the fucking plane 

You see a plane in the released video?

yes at 24 second mark....this is a stop action video...notice how jumpy the vehicle is?  So take the hit at the 24 second mark, add that to the 136 EYEWITNESSES THAT SAY THEY SAW A FUCKING AIRPLANE HIT THE PENTAGON and tell me how you would summarize that.

Eyewitnesses also saw Michael Brown with his hands up and something like half the population has "eyewitnessed" a ghost or UFO... 
It's too fast to be caught on camera, but dude could see in the windows?

Gern your anger and indignation on the topic really just feeds into the mythos of people wanting to be spoon-fed information that puts them at ease.
I'm nothing close to a truther, but the government is hiding quite a large cache of information about 9/11 and there is no possible reason for it that doesn't lend credence to conspiracy theories.  

No other possible reason?

i can think of one big one - national security concerns. 
 
Besides, the government reflexively holds back much of their information routinely without it being related to any conspiracy theories. 

Oh, right, national security.
My eyes are rolling into my head right now, that's one of the most empty and worthless phrases in existence.

Gern Blansten

pjhawks said:

Gern Blansten said:

What is it that the conspiracy theorists think happened to flight 77?  If the plane didn't hit the pentagon (as 136 eyewitnesses say) then where did it go?  

and how did we kill those people?   it would also mean air traffic controllers would have been in on the conspiracy too. 

You mean the air traffic controllers that were also eyewitnesses?

Bentleyspop

As I have mentioned multiple times over the years I worked close enough to the Pentagon to hear and feel the explosion. 
I also had 2 co-workers who were at the Pentagon that morning for meetings and both were close enough to assist in rescue and BOTH saw and moved airplane debris. BOTH saw and rescued Pentagon employees with jet fuel burns.

oftenreading

rgambs said:

oftenreading said:

rgambs said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

136 people saw the fucking plane 

You see a plane in the released video?

yes at 24 second mark....this is a stop action video...notice how jumpy the vehicle is?  So take the hit at the 24 second mark, add that to the 136 EYEWITNESSES THAT SAY THEY SAW A FUCKING AIRPLANE HIT THE PENTAGON and tell me how you would summarize that.

Eyewitnesses also saw Michael Brown with his hands up and something like half the population has "eyewitnessed" a ghost or UFO... 
It's too fast to be caught on camera, but dude could see in the windows?

Gern your anger and indignation on the topic really just feeds into the mythos of people wanting to be spoon-fed information that puts them at ease.
I'm nothing close to a truther, but the government is hiding quite a large cache of information about 9/11 and there is no possible reason for it that doesn't lend credence to conspiracy theories.  

No other possible reason?

i can think of one big one - national security concerns. 
 
Besides, the government reflexively holds back much of their information routinely without it being related to any conspiracy theories. 

Oh, right, national security.
My eyes are rolling into my head right now, that's one of the most empty and worthless phrases in existence.

Well, don't pull a muscle, then. 

Gern Blansten

Bentleyspop said:

As I have mentioned multiple times over the years I worked close enough to the Pentagon to hear and feel the explosion. 
I also had 2 co-workers who were at the Pentagon that morning for meetings and both were close enough to assist in rescue and BOTH saw and moved airplane debris. BOTH saw and rescued Pentagon employees with jet fuel burns.

Yeah but McGruff didn't see the plane in that grainy video so....maybe they didn't really see that stuff?  

oftenreading

Bentleyspop said:

As I have mentioned multiple times over the years I worked close enough to the Pentagon to hear and feel the explosion. 
I also had 2 co-workers who were at the Pentagon that morning for meetings and both were close enough to assist in rescue and BOTH saw and moved airplane debris. BOTH saw and rescued Pentagon employees with jet fuel burns.

Am not doubting any of this, but how can you tell a burn is from jet fuel and not from another flammable source or accelerent?

Gern Blansten

oftenreading said:

Bentleyspop said:

As I have mentioned multiple times over the years I worked close enough to the Pentagon to hear and feel the explosion. 
I also had 2 co-workers who were at the Pentagon that morning for meetings and both were close enough to assist in rescue and BOTH saw and moved airplane debris. BOTH saw and rescued Pentagon employees with jet fuel burns.

Am not doubting any of this, but how can you tell a burn is from jet fuel and not from another flammable source or accelerent?

Maybe when there are airplane parts laying around?  And 136 eyewitnesses saying a plane hit the building?  I don't know man....

mcgruff10

Gern Blansten said:

oftenreading said:

Bentleyspop said:

As I have mentioned multiple times over the years I worked close enough to the Pentagon to hear and feel the explosion. 
I also had 2 co-workers who were at the Pentagon that morning for meetings and both were close enough to assist in rescue and BOTH saw and moved airplane debris. BOTH saw and rescued Pentagon employees with jet fuel burns.

Am not doubting any of this, but how can you tell a burn is from jet fuel and not from another flammable source or accelerent?

Maybe when there are airplane parts laying around?  And 136 eyewitnesses saying a plane hit the building?  I don't know man....

136...1+3+6=10. Which is between what two numbers?  That s right 9 and 11.  

oftenreading

Gern Blansten said:

oftenreading said:

Bentleyspop said:

As I have mentioned multiple times over the years I worked close enough to the Pentagon to hear and feel the explosion. 
I also had 2 co-workers who were at the Pentagon that morning for meetings and both were close enough to assist in rescue and BOTH saw and moved airplane debris. BOTH saw and rescued Pentagon employees with jet fuel burns.

Am not doubting any of this, but how can you tell a burn is from jet fuel and not from another flammable source or accelerent?

Maybe when there are airplane parts laying around?  And 136 eyewitnesses saying a plane hit the building?  I don't know man....

Dial it back. I'm pretty sure my post said I'm not doubting any of this, and if you're following along you should see I'm anti-conspiracy theory. I'm curious about the question I asked to Bentleyspop, so maybe he'll answer it. 

Edit: I'm interested from a medical point of view. 

PJPOWER

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

oftenreading said:

Bentleyspop said:

As I have mentioned multiple times over the years I worked close enough to the Pentagon to hear and feel the explosion. 
I also had 2 co-workers who were at the Pentagon that morning for meetings and both were close enough to assist in rescue and BOTH saw and moved airplane debris. BOTH saw and rescued Pentagon employees with jet fuel burns.

Am not doubting any of this, but how can you tell a burn is from jet fuel and not from another flammable source or accelerent?

Maybe when there are airplane parts laying around?  And 136 eyewitnesses saying a plane hit the building?  I don't know man....

136...1+3+6=10. Which is between what two numbers?  That s right 9 and 11.  

I’m sold now, lol.