9/11 "Conspiracy" Theories

Halifax2TheMax

Post them if you have them. "102 Minutes" by a pair of NYTs authors give a really well done explanation of the how and why the Twin Towers fell with fact based science and physics to back it up. Here's an article relating to WTC7 that explains the how and why, something some conspiracy theorists on here won't want to read or understand, probably because it doesn't fit their agenda.

 https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/design/a3524/4278874/

There are a ton of explanations out there for just about every angle utilized by the "theorists." Which by the way, remains a "theory" until proven otherwise.

PS: Please, for the love of the sweet baby jesus, leave Kap out of this. He's got enough problems.

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By 8:46 A.M. on September 11, 2001, 14,000 people had arrived at the World Trade Center's twin towers, ready to start their workdays. Instead, over the next 102 minutes, each would become part of a drama for the ages. In 102 Minutes, Jim Dwyer and Kevin Flynn draw on hundreds of interviews with rescuers and survivors, thousands of pages of oral histories, and countless phone, e-mail, and emergency radio transcripts to tell the story of September 11 from the inside looking out. From the words and deeds of ordinary men and women they weave an epic account of struggle, determination, and grace. Hailed upon its hardcover publication as the definitive account of the events at the World Trade Center, 102 Minutes now contains a new afterword that incorporates powerful firsthand material, including tapes and documents recently obtained by the authors after years of litigation. Book jacket. 

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unsung

Take the official government report and the wildest conspiracy theory...the truth is somewhere in between.

Halifax2TheMax

unsung said:

Take the official government report and the wildest conspiracy theory...the truth is somewhere in between.

I’d be interested in why you think it’s a theory or believe there is/was a conspiracy.

PJPOWER

I heard that the #Ptape was in one of the towers and that’s why Trump took them down.

unsung

Halifax2TheMax said:

unsung said:

Take the official government report and the wildest conspiracy theory...the truth is somewhere in between.

I’d be interested in why you think it’s a theory or believe there is/was a conspiracy.

Because I don’t consume what is spoonfed.  I am not applying this to only 9/11.

Halifax2TheMax

PJPOWER said:

I heard that the #Ptape was in one of the towers and that’s why Trump took them down.

May very well be.

unsung

The ptape was in WTC7.

mcgruff10

Four planes were hijacked, two flew into the World Trade Center, one into the pentagon. My only question was: the official version says the fourth plane wastaken over by the passengers and then it crashed in Pennsylvania.  I always wondered whether that happened Or was there an order given to shoot it down since it was heading to dc.  

Gern Blansten

mcgruff10 said:

Four planes were hijacked, two flew into the World Trade Center, one into the pentagon. My only question was: the official version says the fourth plane wastaken over by the passengers and then it crashed in Pennsylvania.  I always wondered whether that happened Or was there an order given to shoot it down since it was heading to dc.  

Why would they cover up shooting it down?  Other than nut jobs no one could have blamed them.

benjs

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

Four planes were hijacked, two flew into the World Trade Center, one into the pentagon. My only question was: the official version says the fourth plane wastaken over by the passengers and then it crashed in Pennsylvania.  I always wondered whether that happened Or was there an order given to shoot it down since it was heading to dc.  

Why would they cover up shooting it down?  Other than nut jobs no one could have blamed them.

<sarcasm>
Good thing there's such a shortage of nut jobs... 
</sarcasm>

mcgruff10

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

Four planes were hijacked, two flew into the World Trade Center, one into the pentagon. My only question was: the official version says the fourth plane wastaken over by the passengers and then it crashed in Pennsylvania.  I always wondered whether that happened Or was there an order given to shoot it down since it was heading to dc.  

Why would they cover up shooting it down?  Other than nut jobs no one could have blamed them.

No one is gonna admit that they ordered an attack on one of their own civilian planes. 

Halifax2TheMax

unsung said:

The ptape was in WTC7.

I knew Cohen had an office in WTC7.

Gern Blansten

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

Four planes were hijacked, two flew into the World Trade Center, one into the pentagon. My only question was: the official version says the fourth plane wastaken over by the passengers and then it crashed in Pennsylvania.  I always wondered whether that happened Or was there an order given to shoot it down since it was heading to dc.  

Why would they cover up shooting it down?  Other than nut jobs no one could have blamed them.

No one is gonna admit that they ordered an attack on one of their own civilian planes. 

DOn't you mean a self guided missile?  Give me a break.  Few would fault the order to shoot down a plane full of people that were going to die anyway.  

mace1229

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

Four planes were hijacked, two flew into the World Trade Center, one into the pentagon. My only question was: the official version says the fourth plane wastaken over by the passengers and then it crashed in Pennsylvania.  I always wondered whether that happened Or was there an order given to shoot it down since it was heading to dc.  

Why would they cover up shooting it down?  Other than nut jobs no one could have blamed them.

No one is gonna admit that they ordered an attack on one of their own civilian planes. 

I think this is the one day in history they would, and the people would accept it. Unfortunately doing so would save countless more lives, it would have been the only option. I wish all 4 planes were shot down.
I don't think that would have been kept a secret if it did happen that way.

Meltdown99

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

Four planes were hijacked, two flew into the World Trade Center, one into the pentagon. My only question was: the official version says the fourth plane wastaken over by the passengers and then it crashed in Pennsylvania.  I always wondered whether that happened Or was there an order given to shoot it down since it was heading to dc.  

Why would they cover up shooting it down?  Other than nut jobs no one could have blamed them.

No one is gonna admit that they ordered an attack on one of their own civilian planes. 

Didn't the plane hit the ground like a missile?  I would think if it was shot down by a US fighter or anti aircraft weaponry, the debris would be spread over a greater distance, as would the bodies (f anything was left of the bodies)...unless I'm thinking of a different crash.  

Gern Blansten

mace1229 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

Four planes were hijacked, two flew into the World Trade Center, one into the pentagon. My only question was: the official version says the fourth plane wastaken over by the passengers and then it crashed in Pennsylvania.  I always wondered whether that happened Or was there an order given to shoot it down since it was heading to dc.  

Why would they cover up shooting it down?  Other than nut jobs no one could have blamed them.

No one is gonna admit that they ordered an attack on one of their own civilian planes. 

I think this is the one day in history they would, and the people would accept it. Unfortunately doing so would save countless more lives, it would have been the only option. I wish all 4 planes were shot down.
I don't think that would have been kept a secret if it did happen that way.

Exactly....wouldn't have been kept a secret and COULD NOT have been kept a secret.

mcgruff10

mace1229 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

Four planes were hijacked, two flew into the World Trade Center, one into the pentagon. My only question was: the official version says the fourth plane wastaken over by the passengers and then it crashed in Pennsylvania.  I always wondered whether that happened Or was there an order given to shoot it down since it was heading to dc.  

Why would they cover up shooting it down?  Other than nut jobs no one could have blamed them.

No one is gonna admit that they ordered an attack on one of their own civilian planes. 

I think this is the one day in history they would, and the people would accept it. Unfortunately doing so would save countless more lives, it would have been the only option. I wish all 4 planes were shot down.
I don't think that would have been kept a secret if it did happen that way.

I still don’t think any president would admit to giving the order to shoot down a civilian plane. Was it twa flight 800 that had lots of questions around it?  People said they saw a missile go through the sky?
the big difference about flight 93 would be very few people would have had to kept it a secret, not like the stupid conspiracy theories about the faked lunar landings, flat earth, etc.  again, just a theory. 

brianlux

I think it's natural to be curious about the conspiracies and wanted them proven or disproven.  At the same time, I think it would make sense to spend at least just as much time and energy asking, What drives people to the point of doing something like flying an airplane into a building?  Seems like this would be good to know.

pjhawks

mcgruff10 said:

Four planes were hijacked, two flew into the World Trade Center, one into the pentagon. My only question was: the official version says the fourth plane wastaken over by the passengers and then it crashed in Pennsylvania.  I always wondered whether that happened Or was there an order given to shoot it down since it was heading to dc.  

when the day originally happened I thought that was a possibility. seemed almost like a fairy tale that passengers over took the hijackers and the plane crashed.   that being said if it was shot down there would be a wider path or debris than there was.  the debris from a missile knocking down a jet liner would scatter over miles i believe.  that's what leads me to believe it crashed there.

mcgruff10

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

Four planes were hijacked, two flew into the World Trade Center, one into the pentagon. My only question was: the official version says the fourth plane wastaken over by the passengers and then it crashed in Pennsylvania.  I always wondered whether that happened Or was there an order given to shoot it down since it was heading to dc.  

when the day originally happened I thought that was a possibility. seemed almost like a fairy tale that passengers over took the hijackers and the plane crashed.   that being said if it was shot down there would be a wider path or debris than there was.  the debris from a missile knocking down a jet liner would scatter over miles i believe.  that's what leads me to believe it crashed there.

YEah it just seemed so convienant, it came down right in the middle of a field. 

oftenreading

mcgruff10 said:

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

Four planes were hijacked, two flew into the World Trade Center, one into the pentagon. My only question was: the official version says the fourth plane wastaken over by the passengers and then it crashed in Pennsylvania.  I always wondered whether that happened Or was there an order given to shoot it down since it was heading to dc.  

when the day originally happened I thought that was a possibility. seemed almost like a fairy tale that passengers over took the hijackers and the plane crashed.   that being said if it was shot down there would be a wider path or debris than there was.  the debris from a missile knocking down a jet liner would scatter over miles i believe.  that's what leads me to believe it crashed there.

YEah it just seemed so convienant, it came down right in the middle of a field. 

It was in rural Pennsylvania. The odds of it coming down in a field vs on a house were actually pretty good. 

Personally, I could believe in the possibility of thst plane being shot down, but I don’t think the evidence supports it.

oftenreading

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

Four planes were hijacked, two flew into the World Trade Center, one into the pentagon. My only question was: the official version says the fourth plane wastaken over by the passengers and then it crashed in Pennsylvania.  I always wondered whether that happened Or was there an order given to shoot it down since it was heading to dc.  

when the day originally happened I thought that was a possibility. seemed almost like a fairy tale that passengers over took the hijackers and the plane crashed.   that being said if it was shot down there would be a wider path or debris than there was.  the debris from a missile knocking down a jet liner would scatter over miles i believe.  that's what leads me to believe it crashed there.

Did they actually successfully take it over, or did they try to take back control and both sides, essentially, lost, leading to the crash? 

Meltdown99

What I actually find amazing is there are actually people that believe that the GWB and his gang fools would be able to pull that off...and then the amount of people that would be needed to execute that as an inside job, just make it seems impossible...

oftenreading

unsung said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

unsung said:

Take the official government report and the wildest conspiracy theory...the truth is somewhere in between.

I’d be interested in why you think it’s a theory or believe there is/was a conspiracy.

Because I don’t consume what is spoonfed.  I am not applying this to only 9/11.

But there is a difference between not being “spoon fed” and automatically rejecting all official reports just because they are official reports. There have been many years to assess the claims, and lots of research since. What specific aspects do you have evidence are not true? 

Lots of people like to claim that events “couldn’t” have occurred as reported, because of their personal beliefs about, for instance, how metal reacts at high temperatures. Those people tend not to be materials scientists, though, and don’t usually know or understand what actually has been proven to be possible. 

mace1229

oftenreading said:

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

Four planes were hijacked, two flew into the World Trade Center, one into the pentagon. My only question was: the official version says the fourth plane wastaken over by the passengers and then it crashed in Pennsylvania.  I always wondered whether that happened Or was there an order given to shoot it down since it was heading to dc.  

when the day originally happened I thought that was a possibility. seemed almost like a fairy tale that passengers over took the hijackers and the plane crashed.   that being said if it was shot down there would be a wider path or debris than there was.  the debris from a missile knocking down a jet liner would scatter over miles i believe.  that's what leads me to believe it crashed there.

Did they actually successfully take it over, or did they try to take back control and both sides, essentially, lost, leading to the crash? 

I've wondered that before, but never heard anything about it.
My assumption is they fought for controls and the terrorists chose to crash it over letting the passengers regain control.
That's the only scenario that makes sense to me. Why would the passengers take it over just to crash? They'd at least make contact with air traffic and let them know what happened, fly until it is out of fuel and try to glide into some water or something, even if the chance of success was only 1/1000.
It makes more sense if they fought for control and the hijackers deliberately crashed it during the struggle.

unsung

oftenreading said:

unsung said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

unsung said:

Take the official government report and the wildest conspiracy theory...the truth is somewhere in between.

I’d be interested in why you think it’s a theory or believe there is/was a conspiracy.

Because I don’t consume what is spoonfed.  I am not applying this to only 9/11.

But there is a difference between not being “spoon fed” and automatically rejecting all official reports just because they are official reports. There have been many years to assess the claims, and lots of research since. What specific aspects do you have evidence are not true? 

Lots of people like to claim that events “couldn’t” have occurred as reported, because of their personal beliefs about, for instance, how metal reacts at high temperatures. Those people tend not to be materials scientists, though, and don’t usually know or understand what actually has been proven to be possible. 

Your question is impossible to answer accurately since not all information has ever been released to the public.

I actually have many unanswered questions, but it has been 17 years and I doubt the answers will ever be given.

Halifax2TheMax

unsung said:

oftenreading said:

unsung said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

unsung said:

Take the official government report and the wildest conspiracy theory...the truth is somewhere in between.

I’d be interested in why you think it’s a theory or believe there is/was a conspiracy.

Because I don’t consume what is spoonfed.  I am not applying this to only 9/11.

But there is a difference between not being “spoon fed” and automatically rejecting all official reports just because they are official reports. There have been many years to assess the claims, and lots of research since. What specific aspects do you have evidence are not true? 

Lots of people like to claim that events “couldn’t” have occurred as reported, because of their personal beliefs about, for instance, how metal reacts at high temperatures. Those people tend not to be materials scientists, though, and don’t usually know or understand what actually has been proven to be possible. 

Your question is impossible to answer accurately since not all information has ever been released to the public.

I actually have many unanswered questions, but it has been 17 years and I doubt the answers will ever be given.

Why don’t you list your questions?

Go Beavers

brianlux said:

I think it's natural to be curious about the conspiracies and wanted them proven or disproven.  At the same time, I think it would make sense to spend at least just as much time and energy asking, What drives people to the point of doing something like flying an airplane into a building?  Seems like this would be good to know.

Curiosity is definitely a good thing, and so is developing theories that allow room to be disproven. What drives me batty about conspiracy theories is that they’re designed in a way where they don’t allow to be disproven, they just go to the next level of crazy if the lower level is proven false.  

my2hands

Halifax2TheMax said:

unsung said:

oftenreading said:

unsung said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

unsung said:

Take the official government report and the wildest conspiracy theory...the truth is somewhere in between.

I’d be interested in why you think it’s a theory or believe there is/was a conspiracy.

Because I don’t consume what is spoonfed.  I am not applying this to only 9/11.

But there is a difference between not being “spoon fed” and automatically rejecting all official reports just because they are official reports. There have been many years to assess the claims, and lots of research since. What specific aspects do you have evidence are not true? 

Lots of people like to claim that events “couldn’t” have occurred as reported, because of their personal beliefs about, for instance, how metal reacts at high temperatures. Those people tend not to be materials scientists, though, and don’t usually know or understand what actually has been proven to be possible. 

Your question is impossible to answer accurately since not all information has ever been released to the public.

I actually have many unanswered questions, but it has been 17 years and I doubt the answers will ever be given.

Why don’t you list your questions?

You first

mcgruff10

tower 7 always intrigued me.  Just the way it came down so perfectly so many hours after the attacks.  I know there were uncontrollable fires burning in there for several hours but maybe perhaps the collapse was aided in some way.  Who knows, some crazy stuff happened on 9/11.

riotgrl

It is entirely possible that plane was shot down.  Military intelligence personnel who would know of this information would never be allowed to verify the plane was or was not shot down.  No one in intelligence, nor political circles, would be willing to admit, during their lifetime, that they ordered a plane shot down with American citizens aboard, regardless of how many it saved.  How do you face the families, friends, and the country and tell them you had to kill those people to save others?