Musky never accused any of you "knuckleheads" of not supporting the troops. Go back and read it. He was talking about Dirty's knowledge of what went on over there.
Musky never accused any of you "knuckleheads" of not supporting the troops. Go back and read it. He was talking about Dirty's knowledge of what went on over there.
Sensitive much?
Off course he did & you just did it again ...You knucklehead
Musky never accused any of you "knuckleheads" of not supporting the troops. Go back and read it. He was talking about Dirty's knowledge of what went on over there.
Musky never accused any of you "knuckleheads" of not supporting the troops. Go back and read it. He was talking about Dirty's knowledge of what went on over there.
Sensitive much?
Off course he did & you just did it again ...You knucklehead
Nope.
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brianlux
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It was obviously inferred and we all know that but, no, not specifically stated as such. No use arguing the point though, is there?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Musky never accused any of you "knuckleheads" of not supporting the troops. Go back and read it. He was talking about Dirty's knowledge of what went on over there.
Musky never accused any of you "knuckleheads" of not supporting the troops. Go back and read it. He was talking about Dirty's knowledge of what went on over there.
Sensitive much?
Off course he did & you just did it again ...You knucklehead
Nope.
"I'm rubber you're glue/No,you/I know you are but what am I?" - The true sign of someone who lost the debate but won't admit it.
Musky never accused any of you "knuckleheads" of not supporting the troops. Go back and read it. He was talking about Dirty's knowledge of what went on over there.
Sensitive much?
Off course he did & you just did it again ...You knucklehead
Nope.
"I'm rubber you're glue/No,you/I know you are but what am I?" - The true sign of someone who lost the debate but won't admit it.
It was obviously inferred and we all know that but, no, not specifically stated as such. No use arguing the point though, is there?
Probably not but if we can't even agree on the contents of four clear as day sentences how can we agree on anything else? Musky stated that he was proud of what the troops did over there and that some of you were not. This is not complicated. Most have you have been arguing that you are not proud of the invasion, you are not proud of what our military did, that the US did more harm then good. This doesn't mean you don't support the troops and no one suggested otherwise. It is just another strawman argument built up so that people can play the victim card.
Musky never accused any of you "knuckleheads" of not supporting the troops. Go back and read it. He was talking about Dirty's knowledge of what went on over there.
Sensitive much?
Off course he did & you just did it again ...You knucklehead
Nope.
"I'm rubber you're glue/No,you/I know you are but what am I?" - The true sign of someone who lost the debate but won't admit it.
As per Brian I am correct. Sorry champ.
BS, this is pathetic, first of all, everything in this debate is based on second hand information... so it's all about perspective. You interpretation of the facts is very different from the interpretation of most of us, around here! That's fine with me, you have the right to see it your way, as well as others have the right to see it their way... But calling yourself a winner, and calling names to win the argument, is in my opinion not winning an argument, it is childish behavior, and bullying, How old are you?
First of all, Dirty Frank, thank you for your service. But I suppose your a Vet, that served a while ago. may I ask when you served, because it gives me a clue how resent your contribution is, regarding to the thankfulness of the Iraqi people. I do believe some of them were very thankful, but i do doubt if all of them were, and i doubt, in the light of current events if the people who were thankful back in the days are still thankful. I strongly believe the invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with helping the Iraqi people, although GWB wants us to believe that.
I strongly believe this war was started by GWB, because he lost face during 9/11 and the attack on Afganistan, because, Osama bin Laden wasn't captured as soon as he had hoped. Because of all his mistakes during this period, GWB had lost the faith of his people, and taking out an old enemy, which his father during his time in the white house was unable to take out, would be a great idea. The Muslim world became a great enemy after 9/11 and the frustration of not being able to take out ObL, was felt in all Western society. So what was a better way than taking out this old Muslim enemy? Saddam was only a way for GWB to once again get back the trust of his country, and make some profit on the side.... nothing more and nothing less!
You mentioned playing the victim card... In my opinion, it is you, who is playing this card!
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"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
Musky never accused any of you "knuckleheads" of not supporting the troops. Go back and read it. He was talking about Dirty's knowledge of what went on over there.
Sensitive much?
Off course he did & you just did it again ...You knucklehead
Nope.
"I'm rubber you're glue/No,you/I know you are but what am I?" - The true sign of someone who lost the debate but won't admit it.
As per Brian I am correct. Sorry champ.
BS, this is pathetic, first of all, everything in this debate is based on second hand information... so it's all about perspective. You interpretation of the facts is very different from the interpretation of most of us, around here! That's fine with me, you have the right to see it your way, as well as others have the right to see it their way... But calling yourself a winner, and calling names to win the argument, is in my opinion not winning an argument, it is childish behavior, and bullying, How old are you?
First of all, Dirty Frank, thank you for your service. But I suppose your a Vet, that served a while ago. may I ask when you served, because it gives me a clue how resent your contribution is, regarding to the thankfulness of the Iraqi people. I do believe some of them were very thankful, but i do doubt if all of them were, and i doubt, in the light of current events if the people who were thankful back in the days are still thankful. I strongly believe the invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with helping the Iraqi people, although GWB wants us to believe that.
I strongly believe this war was started by GWB, because he lost face during 9/11 and the attack on Afganistan, because, Osama bin Laden wasn't captured as soon as he had hoped. Because of all his mistakes during this period, GWB had lost the faith of his people, and taking out an old enemy, which his father during his time in the white house was unable to take out, would be a great idea. The Muslim world became a great enemy after 9/11 and the frustration of not being able to take out ObL, was felt in all Western society. So what was a better way than taking out this old Muslim enemy? Saddam was only a way for GWB to once again get back the trust of his country, and make some profit on the side.... nothing more and nothing less!
You mentioned playing the victim card... In my opinion, it is you, who is playing this card!
I am sorry aafke but there is only one interpretation of muskydan's post and I am correct. That is what we are talking about here. Too many of you post without actually following the flow of the actual arguments being made. I have called nobody a name so I will not accept your baseless charge.
Now as far as your theory on why GWB invaded Iraq...it is just plainly illogical psychobabble. I apologize in advance if you consider that response to be of the bullying variety.
As I stated before... You interpretation of the facts is very different from the interpretation of mine! That's fine with me, you have the right to see it your way, as well as I have the right to see it my way... In my opinion and yes, i have read all the post a couple of times, thank you very much... I might not be in the same flow as you are, and i probable never will be. Muskydan gave an opinion and all opinions are argumentative. See it as you wanna see it...
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"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
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brianlux
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It totally blows my mind that we're having this discussion at all. We have not been justifiably involved in any wars in at least the last 70 years.
As for Musky's statement, let's hear from the man who wrote it. Tell us about it, Musky.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
It totally blows my mind that we're having this discussion at all. We have not been justifiably involved in any wars in at least the last 70 years.
As for Musky's statement, let's hear from the man who wrote it. Tell us about it, Musky.
I sure will Bri, however I have much more important things to attend 2 like watching my Blackhawks. Go Hawks and Godbless every Vet on this glorious Menorial Day Weekend. Be safe everyone
It totally blows my mind that we're having this discussion at all. We have not been justifiably involved in any wars in at least the last 70 years.
As for Musky's statement, let's hear from the man who wrote it. Tell us about it, Musky.
I sure will Bri, however I have much more important things to attend 2 like watching my Blackhawks. Go Hawks and Godbless every Vet on this glorious Menorial Day Weekend. Be safe everyone
It totally blows my mind that we're having this discussion at all. We have not been justifiably involved in any wars in at least the last 70 years.
As for Musky's statement, let's hear from the man who wrote it. Tell us about it, Musky.
I sure will Bri, however I have much more important things to attend 2 like watching my Blackhawks. Go Hawks and Godbless every Vet on this glorious Menorial Day Weekend. Be safe everyone
I was thrilled to see a Black-headed Grosbeak outside my window this morning so I guess you could say that's a win of sorts for Team Nature.
Think Peace this weekend, everyone. And yes, be safe.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
It totally blows my mind that we're having this discussion at all. We have not been justifiably involved in any wars in at least the last 70 years.
As for Musky's statement, let's hear from the man who wrote it. Tell us about it, Musky.
Afghanistan wasn't justifiable? Or the first gulf war?
No, I do not believe resource wars are justifiable.
Maybe the first gulf war. But what resources do Afghanistan have? A little oil? I was then and still think Afghanistan was justified.
Mining, big time. Gold, copper, lithium, uranium, iron ore, cobalt, natural gas and, yes oil.
Big boon for the heroin trade, but that was probably an unintended consequence... Though out govt has gotten up to such shenanigans before.
Ah yes, the beautiful Papaver somniferum or "Opium Poppy". Used cautiously or under certain circumstances, that plant has marvelous properties. On the black market, though... "Goddamn the pusher man."
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
It totally blows my mind that we're having this discussion at all. We have not been justifiably involved in any wars in at least the last 70 years.
As for Musky's statement, let's hear from the man who wrote it. Tell us about it, Musky.
So I see this got real stupid real quick from some of the sensitive ones on here. I still will never get how emotional people get about stuff that is written on a rock n roll Bands website. I will always support the opinion of a War Vet who saw with his own eyes over the opinion of people who have never been in a war or get their information from some stupid media source like the Guardian or the million other leftist blogs that preach non-sense about War and every other controversial topic. Does anyone really read those silly blog links that people post to support their argument anyway??? It also looks like some people got their panties in a bunch because I used the word in general terms knuckleheads …..well boo- Fukin- huuu. Let's see, I have personally been called a Bigot, racist, to name a few off the top of my head and most recently in this thread a ASS-CLOWN. Name calling has never bothered me in any way shape or form anywhere. I have Been called every possible name in the book over the years. But where I come from ASS-CLOWN is a very derogatory word to a Gay man. I don't know what I have ever said to be described this way and it doesn't bother me in the least since some of the coolest kat's I know are Gay, but the source of the seems to be a very troubled individual in more ways than one so that need to be taken in account. So back to the important stuff, Thank you to Dirty again and anybody out there that served this wonderful Nation of ours and if you don't like it here GET THE FUCK OUT!!! Now get off your computer and enjoy this Memorial Day weekend with your family and Friends and if you see a Vet Thank them for the sacrifices they have made to allow you to have the right of a Opinion and the million other freedoms these men and woman have fought and and died for.
It totally blows my mind that we're having this discussion at all. We have not been justifiably involved in any wars in at least the last 70 years.
As for Musky's statement, let's hear from the man who wrote it. Tell us about it, Musky.
So I see this got real stupid real quick from some of the sensitive ones on here. I still will never get how emotional people get about stuff that is written on a rock n roll Bands website. I will always support the opinion of a War Vet who saw with his own eyes over the opinion of people who have never been in a war or get their information from some stupid media source like the Guardian or the million other leftist blogs that preach non-sense about War and every other controversial topic. Does anyone really read those silly blog links that people post to support their argument anyway??? It also looks like some people got their panties in a bunch because I used the word in general terms knuckleheads …..well boo- Fukin- huuu. Let's see, I have personally been called a Bigot, racist, to name a few off the top of my head and most recently in this thread a ASS-CLOWN. Name calling has never bothered me in any way shape or form anywhere. I have Been called every possible name in the book over the years. But where I come from ASS-CLOWN is a very derogatory word to a Gay man. I don't know what I have ever said to be described this way and it doesn't bother me in the least since some of the coolest kat's I know are Gay, but the source of the seems to be a very troubled individual in more ways than one so that need to be taken in account. So back to the important stuff, Thank you to Dirty again and anybody out there that served this wonderful Nation of ours and if you don't like it here GET THE FUCK OUT!!! Now get off your computer and enjoy this Memorial Day weekend with your family and Friends and if you see a Vet Thank them for the sacrifices they have made to allow you to have the right of a Opinion and the million other freedoms these men and woman have fought and and died for.
Sure thing ass clown. Gonna be going to the city to enjoy the Rangers/lightning game. I'm sure I'll thank a vet somewhere along the ways. And im sure the Rangers will do something special for the vets during the game. Oh and you are a bigot, just in case you forgot.
Edit-I have a gay family member, what's your point? We all have gay family/friends in this world.
I love how musky is trying to be a rat by not being a rat. Capitalizing the words I wrote hoping Kat or someone sees it and bans me. You're not as clever as you think you are oh Dan-o.
I love how musky is trying to be a rat by not being a rat. Capitalizing the words I wrote hoping Kat or someone sees it and bans me. You're not as clever as you think you are oh Dan-o.
For whatever it's worth, I don't want to see either of you banned.
I love how musky is trying to be a rat by not being a rat. Capitalizing the words I wrote hoping Kat or someone sees it and bans me. You're not as clever as you think you are oh Dan-o.
For whatever it's worth, I don't want to see either of you banned.
I appreciate it hedonist, I don't want to get banned either. I just can't stand when someone like Dan comes on here and spews lie after lie. He's not who he makes himself out to being. All I'm gonna say is that not every story good old Dan-5-0 says is true. That's all I'm gonna say. And he knows it to.
I love how musky is trying to be a rat by not being a rat. Capitalizing the words I wrote HOPING Kat or someone sees it and bans me. You're not as clever as you think you are oh Dan-o.
I love how musky is trying to be a rat by not being a rat. Capitalizing the words I wrote hoping Kat or someone sees it and bans me. You're not as clever as you think you are oh Dan-o.
For whatever it's worth, I don't want to see either of you banned.
I appreciate it hedonist, I don't want to get banned either. I just can't stand when someone like Dan comes on here and spews lie after lie. He's not who he makes himself out to being. All I'm gonna say is that not every story good old Dan-5-0 says is true. That's all I'm gonna say. And he knows it to.
Also know people that served in Iraq and you will get different opinions from different vets. So one opinion is just that. Do very much appreciate hearing from someone that was there.
I know people that served and they have inherent need to believe what they did was correct and warranted.
At this point knowing what we know now, we should clearly see that US or coalition of western troops has done nothing to help the situation and will not do anything going forward. We could go back in, clear out the baddies then what? Stay for 20 years? As soon as we leave back to square one or actually worse as we will have killed more of the indigenous people.
We are being fed continuos dose of propaganda to make us hate the other guys. Link BS posted above perfect example. Don't be a BS and suck that shit up.
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First of all, Dirty Frank, thank you for your service. But I suppose your a Vet, that served a while ago. may I ask when you served, because it gives me a clue how resent your contribution is, regarding to the thankfulness of the Iraqi people. I do believe some of them were very thankful, but i do doubt if all of them were, and i doubt, in the light of current events if the people who were thankful back in the days are still thankful. I strongly believe the invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with helping the Iraqi people, although GWB wants us to believe that.
I strongly believe this war was started by GWB, because he lost face during 9/11 and the attack on Afganistan, because, Osama bin Laden wasn't captured as soon as he had hoped. Because of all his mistakes during this period, GWB had lost the faith of his people, and taking out an old enemy, which his father during his time in the white house was unable to take out, would be a great idea. The Muslim world became a great enemy after 9/11 and the frustration of not being able to take out ObL, was felt in all Western society. So what was a better way than taking out this old Muslim enemy? Saddam was only a way for GWB to once again get back the trust of his country, and make some profit on the side.... nothing more and nothing less!
You mentioned playing the victim card... In my opinion, it is you, who is playing this card!
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
Now as far as your theory on why GWB invaded Iraq...it is just plainly illogical psychobabble. I apologize in advance if you consider that response to be of the bullying variety.
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
As for Musky's statement, let's hear from the man who wrote it. Tell us about it, Musky.
Think Peace this weekend, everyone. And yes, be safe.
It also looks like some people got their panties in a bunch because I used the word in general terms knuckleheads …..well boo- Fukin- huuu. Let's see, I have personally been called a Bigot, racist, to name a few off the top of my head and most recently in this thread a ASS-CLOWN. Name calling has never bothered me in any way shape or form anywhere. I have Been called every possible name in the book over the years. But where I come from ASS-CLOWN is a very derogatory word to a Gay man. I don't know what I have ever said to be described this way and it doesn't bother me in the least since some of the coolest kat's I know are Gay, but the source of the seems to be a very troubled individual in more ways than one so that need to be taken in account.
So back to the important stuff, Thank you to Dirty again and anybody out there that served this wonderful Nation of ours and if you don't like it here GET THE FUCK OUT!!! Now get off your computer and enjoy this Memorial Day weekend with your family and Friends and if you see a Vet Thank them for the sacrifices they have made to allow you to have the right of a Opinion and the million other freedoms these men and woman have fought and and died for.
Edit-I have a gay family member, what's your point? We all have gay family/friends in this world.
Making an ass out of yourself like a clown. Hence assclown. Where does it have to do with being gay?
I know people that served and they have inherent need to believe what they did was correct and warranted.
At this point knowing what we know now, we should clearly see that US or coalition of western troops has done nothing to help the situation and will not do anything going forward. We could go back in, clear out the baddies then what? Stay for 20 years? As soon as we leave back to square one or actually worse as we will have killed more of the indigenous people.
We are being fed continuos dose of propaganda to make us hate the other guys. Link BS posted above perfect example. Don't be a BS and suck that shit up.