Knowing what you know now would you still support the withdrawal of troops from Iraq

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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    brianlux said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    brianlux said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    brianlux said:

    It totally blows my mind that we're having this discussion at all. We have not been justifiably involved in any wars in at least the last 70 years.

    As for Musky's statement, let's hear from the man who wrote it. Tell us about it, Musky.

    Afghanistan wasn't justifiable? Or the first gulf war?
    No, I do not believe resource wars are justifiable.

    Maybe the first gulf war. But what resources do Afghanistan have? A little oil? I was then and still think Afghanistan was justified.
    Mining, big time. Gold, copper, lithium, uranium, iron ore, cobalt, natural gas and, yes oil.

    Big boon for the heroin trade, but that was probably an unintended consequence... Though out govt has gotten up to such shenanigans before.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    rgambs said:

    brianlux said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    brianlux said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    brianlux said:

    It totally blows my mind that we're having this discussion at all. We have not been justifiably involved in any wars in at least the last 70 years.

    As for Musky's statement, let's hear from the man who wrote it. Tell us about it, Musky.

    Afghanistan wasn't justifiable? Or the first gulf war?
    No, I do not believe resource wars are justifiable.

    Maybe the first gulf war. But what resources do Afghanistan have? A little oil? I was then and still think Afghanistan was justified.
    Mining, big time. Gold, copper, lithium, uranium, iron ore, cobalt, natural gas and, yes oil.

    Big boon for the heroin trade, but that was probably an unintended consequence... Though out govt has gotten up to such shenanigans before.
    Ah yes, the beautiful Papaver somniferum or "Opium Poppy". Used cautiously or under certain circumstances, that plant has marvelous properties. On the black market, though... "Goddamn the pusher man."

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • muskydan
    muskydan Posts: 1,013
    brianlux said:

    It totally blows my mind that we're having this discussion at all. We have not been justifiably involved in any wars in at least the last 70 years.

    As for Musky's statement, let's hear from the man who wrote it. Tell us about it, Musky.

    So I see this got real stupid real quick from some of the sensitive ones on here. I still will never get how emotional people get about stuff that is written on a rock n roll Bands website. I will always support the opinion of a War Vet who saw with his own eyes over the opinion of people who have never been in a war or get their information from some stupid media source like the Guardian or the million other leftist blogs that preach non-sense about War and every other controversial topic. Does anyone really read those silly blog links that people post to support their argument anyway???
    It also looks like some people got their panties in a bunch because I used the word in general terms knuckleheads …..well boo- Fukin- huuu. Let's see, I have personally been called a Bigot, racist, to name a few off the top of my head and most recently in this thread a ASS-CLOWN. Name calling has never bothered me in any way shape or form anywhere. I have Been called every possible name in the book over the years. But where I come from ASS-CLOWN is a very derogatory word to a Gay man. I don't know what I have ever said to be described this way and it doesn't bother me in the least since some of the coolest kat's I know are Gay, but the source of the seems to be a very troubled individual in more ways than one so that need to be taken in account.
    So back to the important stuff, Thank you to Dirty again and anybody out there that served this wonderful Nation of ours and if you don't like it here GET THE FUCK OUT!!! Now get off your computer and enjoy this Memorial Day weekend with your family and Friends and if you see a Vet Thank them for the sacrifices they have made to allow you to have the right of a Opinion and the million other freedoms these men and woman have fought and and died for.
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    edited May 2015
    muskydan said:

    brianlux said:

    It totally blows my mind that we're having this discussion at all. We have not been justifiably involved in any wars in at least the last 70 years.

    As for Musky's statement, let's hear from the man who wrote it. Tell us about it, Musky.

    So I see this got real stupid real quick from some of the sensitive ones on here. I still will never get how emotional people get about stuff that is written on a rock n roll Bands website. I will always support the opinion of a War Vet who saw with his own eyes over the opinion of people who have never been in a war or get their information from some stupid media source like the Guardian or the million other leftist blogs that preach non-sense about War and every other controversial topic. Does anyone really read those silly blog links that people post to support their argument anyway???
    It also looks like some people got their panties in a bunch because I used the word in general terms knuckleheads …..well boo- Fukin- huuu. Let's see, I have personally been called a Bigot, racist, to name a few off the top of my head and most recently in this thread a ASS-CLOWN. Name calling has never bothered me in any way shape or form anywhere. I have Been called every possible name in the book over the years. But where I come from ASS-CLOWN is a very derogatory word to a Gay man. I don't know what I have ever said to be described this way and it doesn't bother me in the least since some of the coolest kat's I know are Gay, but the source of the seems to be a very troubled individual in more ways than one so that need to be taken in account.
    So back to the important stuff, Thank you to Dirty again and anybody out there that served this wonderful Nation of ours and if you don't like it here GET THE FUCK OUT!!! Now get off your computer and enjoy this Memorial Day weekend with your family and Friends and if you see a Vet Thank them for the sacrifices they have made to allow you to have the right of a Opinion and the million other freedoms these men and woman have fought and and died for.
    Sure thing ass clown. Gonna be going to the city to enjoy the Rangers/lightning game. I'm sure I'll thank a vet somewhere along the ways. And im sure the Rangers will do something special for the vets during the game. Oh and you are a bigot, just in case you forgot.

    Edit-I have a gay family member, what's your point? We all have gay family/friends in this world.
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  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    I love how musky is trying to be a rat by not being a rat. Capitalizing the words I wrote hoping Kat or someone sees it and bans me. You're not as clever as you think you are oh Dan-o.
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    Def of ass-clown:

    Making an ass out of yourself like a clown. Hence assclown. Where does it have to do with being gay?
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    badbrains said:

    I love how musky is trying to be a rat by not being a rat. Capitalizing the words I wrote hoping Kat or someone sees it and bans me. You're not as clever as you think you are oh Dan-o.

    For whatever it's worth, I don't want to see either of you banned.
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    hedonist said:

    badbrains said:

    I love how musky is trying to be a rat by not being a rat. Capitalizing the words I wrote hoping Kat or someone sees it and bans me. You're not as clever as you think you are oh Dan-o.

    For whatever it's worth, I don't want to see either of you banned.
    I appreciate it hedonist, I don't want to get banned either. I just can't stand when someone like Dan comes on here and spews lie after lie. He's not who he makes himself out to being. All I'm gonna say is that not every story good old Dan-5-0 says is true. That's all I'm gonna say. And he knows it to.
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    badbrains said:

    I love how musky is trying to be a rat by not being a rat. Capitalizing the words I wrote HOPING Kat or someone sees it and bans me. You're not as clever as you think you are oh Dan-o.

    badbrains said:

    hedonist said:

    badbrains said:

    I love how musky is trying to be a rat by not being a rat. Capitalizing the words I wrote hoping Kat or someone sees it and bans me. You're not as clever as you think you are oh Dan-o.

    For whatever it's worth, I don't want to see either of you banned.
    I appreciate it hedonist, I don't want to get banned either. I just can't stand when someone like Dan comes on here and spews lie after lie. He's not who he makes himself out to being. All I'm gonna say is that not every story good old Dan-5-0 says is true. That's all I'm gonna say. And he knows it to.
    What?
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Also know people that served in Iraq and you will get different opinions from different vets. So one opinion is just that. Do very much appreciate hearing from someone that was there.

    I know people that served and they have inherent need to believe what they did was correct and warranted.

    At this point knowing what we know now, we should clearly see that US or coalition of western troops has done nothing to help the situation and will not do anything going forward. We could go back in, clear out the baddies then what? Stay for 20 years? As soon as we leave back to square one or actually worse as we will have killed more of the indigenous people.

    We are being fed continuos dose of propaganda to make us hate the other guys. Link BS posted above perfect example. Don't be a BS and suck that shit up.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    edited May 2015
    BS44325 said:

    brianlux said:

    It was obviously inferred and we all know that but, no, not specifically stated as such. No use arguing the point though, is there?

    Probably not but if we can't even agree on the contents of four clear as day sentences how can we agree on anything else? Musky stated that he was proud of what the troops did over there and that some of you were not. This is not complicated. Most have you have been arguing that you are not proud of the invasion, you are not proud of what our military did, that the US did more harm then good. This doesn't mean you don't support the troops and no one suggested otherwise. It is just another strawman argument built up so that people can play the victim card.
    I don't know of a single person on this board that is not proud of US troops putting their lives in grave danger by following orders as they swore to do. It's the orders that are given as to deployment and stated enemy that's deplorable. This though shouldn't even have to be explained. It's so elementary but guess twisting reality to fit ones motivations blinds common sense.

    Post edited by callen on
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Musky, the battles our fine troops have been sent to do had nothing to do with freedom. See this is where your being fooled.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    muskydan said:

    brianlux said:

    It totally blows my mind that we're having this discussion at all. We have not been justifiably involved in any wars in at least the last 70 years.

    As for Musky's statement, let's hear from the man who wrote it. Tell us about it, Musky.

    So I see this got real stupid real quick from some of the sensitive ones on here. I still will never get how emotional people get about stuff that is written on a rock n roll Bands website. I will always support the opinion of a War Vet who saw with his own eyes over the opinion of people who have never been in a war or get their information from some stupid media source like the Guardian or the million other leftist blogs that preach non-sense about War and every other controversial topic. Does anyone really read those silly blog links that people post to support their argument anyway???
    It also looks like some people got their panties in a bunch because I used the word in general terms knuckleheads …..well boo- Fukin- huuu. Let's see, I have personally been called a Bigot, racist, to name a few off the top of my head and most recently in this thread a ASS-CLOWN. Name calling has never bothered me in any way shape or form anywhere. I have Been called every possible name in the book over the years. But where I come from ASS-CLOWN is a very derogatory word to a Gay man. I don't know what I have ever said to be described this way and it doesn't bother me in the least since some of the coolest kat's I know are Gay, but the source of the seems to be a very troubled individual in more ways than one so that need to be taken in account.
    So back to the important stuff, Thank you to Dirty again and anybody out there that served this wonderful Nation of ours and if you don't like it here GET THE FUCK OUT!!! Now get off your computer and enjoy this Memorial Day weekend with your family and Friends and if you see a Vet Thank them for the sacrifices they have made to allow you to have the right of a Opinion and the million other freedoms these men and woman have fought and and died for.
    So I guess you will be moving out of the US right?
    Someone who constantly criticizes and even shamelessly mocks the popularly elected executives who run his city and country must not love America and should get the fuck out...right?
    Or is it somehow OK to criticize our goverment spending tax money to help American citizens, but not OK to criticize spending tax money and American citizens' very lives to secure economic interests abroad?
    Is that how your mind works?
    That makes no sense.
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  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    hedonist said:

    badbrains said:

    I love how musky is trying to be a rat by not being a rat. Capitalizing the words I wrote hoping Kat or someone sees it and bans me. You're not as clever as you think you are oh Dan-o.

    For whatever it's worth, I don't want to see either of you banned.
    Ditto
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    edited May 2015
    callen said:

    Also know people that served in Iraq and you will get different opinions from different vets. So one opinion is just that. Do very much appreciate hearing from someone that was there.

    I know people that served and they have inherent need to believe what they did was correct and warranted.

    At this point knowing what we know now, we should clearly see that US or coalition of western troops has done nothing to help the situation and will not do anything going forward. We could go back in, clear out the baddies then what? Stay for 20 years? As soon as we leave back to square one or actually worse as we will have killed more of the indigenous people.

    We are being fed continuos dose of propaganda to make us hate the other guys. Link BS posted above perfect example. Don't be a BS and suck that shit up.

    That whole area is a cluster fuck.If we are there or not.It seems There is some inherent violence engrained in each generation.When we show up they just take a break from killing each other to fight us.
    This sect hates that sect,etc,etc.
    I don't get the the total disregard for human life and Human rights on behalf of these warring factions.All in the name of religion.Its a joke.

    And Thank You! To any present or former vet.You guys are the best.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    rr165892 said:

    callen said:

    Also know people that served in Iraq and you will get different opinions from different vets. So one opinion is just that. Do very much appreciate hearing from someone that was there.

    I know people that served and they have inherent need to believe what they did was correct and warranted.

    At this point knowing what we know now, we should clearly see that US or coalition of western troops has done nothing to help the situation and will not do anything going forward. We could go back in, clear out the baddies then what? Stay for 20 years? As soon as we leave back to square one or actually worse as we will have killed more of the indigenous people.

    We are being fed continuos dose of propaganda to make us hate the other guys. Link BS posted above perfect example. Don't be a BS and suck that shit up.

    I don't get the the total disregard for human life and Human rights on behalf of these warring factions.All in the name of religion.Its a joke.

    I don't get the disregard for human life fought by any religion either.
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    And it sure doesn't help when we kill, what's that number at now, 1,000,000+ Iraqi civilians? Doesn't seem to help.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    edited May 2015
    callen said:

    BS44325 said:

    brianlux said:

    It was obviously inferred and we all know that but, no, not specifically stated as such. No use arguing the point though, is there?

    Probably not but if we can't even agree on the contents of four clear as day sentences how can we agree on anything else? Musky stated that he was proud of what the troops did over there and that some of you were not. This is not complicated. Most have you have been arguing that you are not proud of the invasion, you are not proud of what our military did, that the US did more harm then good. This doesn't mean you don't support the troops and no one suggested otherwise. It is just another strawman argument built up so that people can play the victim card.
    I don't know of a single person on this board that is not proud of US troops putting their lives in grave danger by following orders as they swore to do. It's the orders that are given as to deployment and stated enemy that's deplorable. This though shouldn't even have to be explained. It's so elementary but guess twisting reality to fit ones motivations blinds common sense.

    How soon you forget the Michael Moore thread discussing American Sniper.

    http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/242094/michael-moore-proving-once-again

    Lot of people not "proud" of the troop's actions on there. Go back and read it if you like...a number of you including Brian and Badbrains clearly didn't have any pride for the Chris Kyles of this world who were just following orders. You yourself even said this:

    "I call those that stand up to invading force that has drones , jets, precision guided missiles and sharks with freakin laser beams Hero's."

    Essentially you were supporting any resistance to those Americans who were just following orders. It's a fine position to take if you want but don't expect US veterans to appreciate how proud you are of their service.
  • InHiding80
    InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    edited May 2015
    BS44325 said:

    callen said:

    BS44325 said:

    brianlux said:

    It was obviously inferred and we all know that but, no, not specifically stated as such. No use arguing the point though, is there?

    Probably not but if we can't even agree on the contents of four clear as day sentences how can we agree on anything else? Musky stated that he was proud of what the troops did over there and that some of you were not. This is not complicated. Most have you have been arguing that you are not proud of the invasion, you are not proud of what our military did, that the US did more harm then good. This doesn't mean you don't support the troops and no one suggested otherwise. It is just another strawman argument built up so that people can play the victim card.
    I don't know of a single person on this board that is not proud of US troops putting their lives in grave danger by following orders as they swore to do. It's the orders that are given as to deployment and stated enemy that's deplorable. This though shouldn't even have to be explained. It's so elementary but guess twisting reality to fit ones motivations blinds common sense.

    How soon you forget the Michael Moore thread discussing American Sniper.

    http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/242094/michael-moore-proving-once-again

    Lot of people not "proud" of the troop's actions on there. Go back and read it if you like...a number of you including Brian and Badbrains clearly didn't have any pride for the Chris Kyles of this world who were just following orders. You yourself even said this:

    "I call those that stand up to invading force that has drones , jets, precision guided missiles and sharks with freakin laser beams Hero's."

    Essentially you were supporting any resistance to those Americans who were just following orders. It's a fine position to take if you want but don't expect US veterans to appreciate how proud you are of their service.
    Cool strawman, Dubya ass kissing brah. You seem to have no problem with Carson and Cruz voting nay on veteran's aid. Then again, you're a chickenhawk too like your fellow peas in a pod so why am I not surprised? As long as those with an R next to their name like them and Cotton do it, it's ok, right?
    Post edited by InHiding80 on
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    edited May 2015
    BS44325 said:

    callen said:

    BS44325 said:

    brianlux said:

    It was obviously inferred and we all know that but, no, not specifically stated as such. No use arguing the point though, is there?

    Probably not but if we can't even agree on the contents of four clear as day sentences how can we agree on anything else? Musky stated that he was proud of what the troops did over there and that some of you were not. This is not complicated. Most have you have been arguing that you are not proud of the invasion, you are not proud of what our military did, that the US did more harm then good. This doesn't mean you don't support the troops and no one suggested otherwise. It is just another strawman argument built up so that people can play the victim card.
    I don't know of a single person on this board that is not proud of US troops putting their lives in grave danger by following orders as they swore to do. It's the orders that are given as to deployment and stated enemy that's deplorable. This though shouldn't even have to be explained. It's so elementary but guess twisting reality to fit ones motivations blinds common sense.

    How soon you forget the Michael Moore thread discussing American Sniper.

    http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/242094/michael-moore-proving-once-again

    Lot of people not "proud" of the troop's actions on there. Go back and read it if you like...a number of you including Brian and Badbrains clearly didn't have any pride for the Chris Kyles of this world who were just following orders. You yourself even said this:

    "I call those that stand up to invading force that has drones , jets, precision guided missiles and sharks with freakin laser beams Hero's."

    Essentially you were supporting any resistance to those Americans who were just following orders. It's a fine position to take if you want but don't expect US veterans to appreciate how proud you are of their service.
    I did and stand by whatever I said in that thread. I'm not a pussy ass chicken shit who slithers out of what I say. What's your point? I should be proud of someone like Chris? No thanks.

    Edit-and if I was a vet, you'd be the LAST person I'd want to be advocating for or thanking me for my services. I'd actually tell you to fuck off, if I was a vet.
    Post edited by badbrains on

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