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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,684
    edited March 26
    Anyone who saw the COVID vaccines as not being effective are absolute idiots. It preventing death or very serious illness IS the whole point of it. 

    It's totally not over - people are still getting COVID. Plus, I've still got long COVID, over 4 years after I had a mild case. But I'm not dead, and neither are my old parents (and for sure my dad at least would be if he hadn't been vaccinated). 
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 46,765
    I wonder, do these same people get the flu vaccine?
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Posts: 41,298
    PJ_Soul said:
    Anyone who saw the COVID vaccines as not being effective are absolute idiots. It preventing death or very serious illness IS the whole point of it. 

    It's totally not over - people are still getting COVID. Plus, I've still got long COVID, over 4 years after I had a mild case. But I'm not dead, and neither are my old parents (and for sure my dad at least would be if he hadn't been vaccinated). 
    my dad had a heart attack shortly after he got covid. no way to know for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were linked. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Posts: 41,298
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I do, and I stand by it. I would also support children being removed from parents and given vaccines (and given back after). So yeah, my views on vaccines are extreme, but for good reasons. They get more extreme kind of as a mirror put up to anti-vaxxers getting more extreme. 
    "extreme views" followed by "good reasons" are pretty contradictory. extreme views generally don't stem from good reasons. 

    I think this is literally the only time it's got good reason, because it's the only there where the actions of very, very few could very literally hurt and kill many, many other people. I would never say the same kinds of things about anything else, because such measures aren't called for in any other circumstance. The only reason my view seems extreme is because it would force people to do something they don't want to do.... but if that will prevent the death of many, many people, why isn't that reasonable? I think it is. 
    because you are potentially forcing a death sentence or life long injury sentence on others against their will. kinda the same thing you're accusing them of. 
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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,981
    IDK, I wouldn't force anyone to get vaccinated, but the randomness of averse effects from vaccines are no different than the randomness of dying from the disease and in the case of covid, your odds of dying from Covid (at least in the first year) were higher than a bad reaction to the vaccine. So I get the argument.



  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,981
    But my general stance is vaccines are a net benefit for society and someone who thinks otherwise is a dope. 


  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Posts: 41,298
    Tim Simmons said:
    But my general stance is vaccines are a net benefit for society and someone who thinks otherwise is a dope. 


    we're in alignment on that. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,684
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I do, and I stand by it. I would also support children being removed from parents and given vaccines (and given back after). So yeah, my views on vaccines are extreme, but for good reasons. They get more extreme kind of as a mirror put up to anti-vaxxers getting more extreme. 
    "extreme views" followed by "good reasons" are pretty contradictory. extreme views generally don't stem from good reasons. 

    I think this is literally the only time it's got good reason, because it's the only there where the actions of very, very few could very literally hurt and kill many, many other people. I would never say the same kinds of things about anything else, because such measures aren't called for in any other circumstance. The only reason my view seems extreme is because it would force people to do something they don't want to do.... but if that will prevent the death of many, many people, why isn't that reasonable? I think it is. 
    because you are potentially forcing a death sentence or life long injury sentence on others against their will. kinda the same thing you're accusing them of. 

    No it isn't, because of the numbers. My viewpoint is rational and logical, not emotional. 
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,684
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Anyone who saw the COVID vaccines as not being effective are absolute idiots. It preventing death or very serious illness IS the whole point of it. 

    It's totally not over - people are still getting COVID. Plus, I've still got long COVID, over 4 years after I had a mild case. But I'm not dead, and neither are my old parents (and for sure my dad at least would be if he hadn't been vaccinated). 
    my dad had a heart attack shortly after he got covid. no way to know for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were linked. 

    Unlikely. 
    Hope your dad's okay. 
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Posts: 41,298
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I do, and I stand by it. I would also support children being removed from parents and given vaccines (and given back after). So yeah, my views on vaccines are extreme, but for good reasons. They get more extreme kind of as a mirror put up to anti-vaxxers getting more extreme. 
    "extreme views" followed by "good reasons" are pretty contradictory. extreme views generally don't stem from good reasons. 

    I think this is literally the only time it's got good reason, because it's the only there where the actions of very, very few could very literally hurt and kill many, many other people. I would never say the same kinds of things about anything else, because such measures aren't called for in any other circumstance. The only reason my view seems extreme is because it would force people to do something they don't want to do.... but if that will prevent the death of many, many people, why isn't that reasonable? I think it is. 
    because you are potentially forcing a death sentence or life long injury sentence on others against their will. kinda the same thing you're accusing them of. 

    No it isn't, because of the numbers. My viewpoint is rational and logical, not emotional. 
    I wasn't saying they were equal in numbers, they are the same in viewpoint/consequence. I never said it was emotional. But I don't find it logical. 
    Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer



  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Posts: 41,298
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Anyone who saw the COVID vaccines as not being effective are absolute idiots. It preventing death or very serious illness IS the whole point of it. 

    It's totally not over - people are still getting COVID. Plus, I've still got long COVID, over 4 years after I had a mild case. But I'm not dead, and neither are my old parents (and for sure my dad at least would be if he hadn't been vaccinated). 
    my dad had a heart attack shortly after he got covid. no way to know for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were linked. 

    Unlikely. 
    Hope your dad's okay. 
    slightly diminished, but fine. Not sure why you'd say unlikely. COVID is known to cause heart issues. 
    Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer



  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,684
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Anyone who saw the COVID vaccines as not being effective are absolute idiots. It preventing death or very serious illness IS the whole point of it. 

    It's totally not over - people are still getting COVID. Plus, I've still got long COVID, over 4 years after I had a mild case. But I'm not dead, and neither are my old parents (and for sure my dad at least would be if he hadn't been vaccinated). 
    my dad had a heart attack shortly after he got covid. no way to know for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were linked. 

    Unlikely. 
    Hope your dad's okay. 
    slightly diminished, but fine. Not sure why you'd say unlikely. COVID is known to cause heart issues. 

    Again, just because of the numbers. Heart disease is the leading cause of death, while the rate of serious health issues caused by covid vax is minuscule. It is literally unlikely. 
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,684
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I do, and I stand by it. I would also support children being removed from parents and given vaccines (and given back after). So yeah, my views on vaccines are extreme, but for good reasons. They get more extreme kind of as a mirror put up to anti-vaxxers getting more extreme. 
    "extreme views" followed by "good reasons" are pretty contradictory. extreme views generally don't stem from good reasons. 

    I think this is literally the only time it's got good reason, because it's the only there where the actions of very, very few could very literally hurt and kill many, many other people. I would never say the same kinds of things about anything else, because such measures aren't called for in any other circumstance. The only reason my view seems extreme is because it would force people to do something they don't want to do.... but if that will prevent the death of many, many people, why isn't that reasonable? I think it is. 
    because you are potentially forcing a death sentence or life long injury sentence on others against their will. kinda the same thing you're accusing them of. 

    No it isn't, because of the numbers. My viewpoint is rational and logical, not emotional. 
    I wasn't saying they were equal in numbers, they are the same in viewpoint/consequence. I never said it was emotional. But I don't find it logical. 

    But those numbers make ALL the difference, and that is necessarily based on logic. 
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 46,765
    A new variant of the virus that causes COVID is spreading in the U.S. The “Cicada” variant, officially known as BA.3.2, was first detected in South Africa in November 2024. But infection rates in the U.S. have been slowly rising since last fall, according to a recent Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report.

    Cicada is notable because it has a highly mutated genetic sequence that some experts fear could enable it to evade some of our immunity from vaccination or a past COVID infection. http://spklr.io/6004EycFK
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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,797
    Just done a COVID test on my daughter as I read this. Negative. I haven't done one in ages . Takes me back to being part of a national testing survey during the peak. We had someone come to the door pass us tests and take blood. Every month I think. 



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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,981
    Side note. Absolutely LOVE the FluAB/Covid tests. Love that they exist. Plus it makes me feel like a chemist or something. 



  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,981
    We've had more Flu +'s (5) in our house in the past year than Covid +'s (2) which is wild (6 people in our house). Before Covid I think we had maybe 1 positive flu test in the previous decade. 


  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,797
    A great tool


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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,684
    Tim Simmons said:
    Side note. Absolutely LOVE the FluAB/Covid tests. Love that they exist. Plus it makes me feel like a chemist or something. 




    I love them now that you don't have to stab your brain with the swab! I got the newest tests and was SO pleased it had been updated so you only have to go up your nose a tiny bit (of course the older ones had expired - everyone check your kits, and go get them replaced at the pharmacy if expired!... Does the US hand out free tests??). 
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,797
    We have to pay in the UK 


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