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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,254
    shecky said:


    Be afraid. Be very afraid. Not just about a new virus but, about our government agencies hiding the truth.
    There are live hearings being held as we speak (May 13, 2026 10:30 a.m. EST) that you can watch.
    I haven't seen what specifically this is about. But if they're going into the origins of Covid, I don't think anyone thinks there weren't some shenanigans about continuing to deny it was from a China lab after it was obvious. That was one of those times where because Trump said it was from a China lab half the country continued to say that must not be the case, despite the growing evidence. 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 43,413
    shecky said:
    And, by the way, no Democrats showed up at this hearing. Why? What are they hiding?


    Probably nothing.  
  • shecky
    shecky San Francisco Posts: 2,924
    mace1229 said:
    shecky said:


    Be afraid. Be very afraid. Not just about a new virus but, about our government agencies hiding the truth.
    There are live hearings being held as we speak (May 13, 2026 10:30 a.m. EST) that you can watch.
    I haven't seen what specifically this is about. But if they're going into the origins of Covid, I don't think anyone thinks there weren't some shenanigans about continuing to deny it was from a China lab after it was obvious. That was one of those times where because Trump said it was from a China lab half the country continued to say that must not be the case, despite the growing evidence. 
    You are entirely correct. And, it was not only Dr. Fauci (whom President Biden issued a full and unconditional preemptive pardon) who lied repeatedly to us about the facts, but the CIA did, as well.
    And, perhaps most frightening of all, the news media played along with them and lied and refused to report the truth!
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,981
    evidence based medicine. how does it work? 
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Major distraction attempt to make CCOOTWH appear tough whilst in Chiiiiiiiiina and to try and make ‘Murikkkans to forget about Jeffery Epstein, the high cost of, well, everything, their lack of health care, a disastrous war on Iran and inflation.

    I can’t wait for the Sleepy Brandon indictments. 

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    *The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

    Wow! What a bombshell of a whistleblower hearing on the origins of Covid by a subpoenaed CIA staffer who wasn’t testifying under the Whistleblower Act and testified that there “was no smoking gun” of a cover up. Guess the UFO files were a whiff, eh?

    Also, appears Senator Heehawly doesn’t understand the word “summary”, Senator Moody claimed Flo Rida leads the way in Freedumb, and Senator Johasen had the MAGA face prop behind him for this campaign ads. Also, lots of mentions of “the Deep State” and we don’t have a democracy.

    No wonder the dumbacrats didn’t show. Too stupid even for them. Hey, but good luck with the hantavirus.

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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 12,037
    Anti-vaxx conspiracy theorists are always good for a laugh.
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    Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer



  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,145
    mace1229 said:
    shecky said:


    Be afraid. Be very afraid. Not just about a new virus but, about our government agencies hiding the truth.
    There are live hearings being held as we speak (May 13, 2026 10:30 a.m. EST) that you can watch.
    I haven't seen what specifically this is about. But if they're going into the origins of Covid, I don't think anyone thinks there weren't some shenanigans about continuing to deny it was from a China lab after it was obvious. That was one of those times where because Trump said it was from a China lab half the country continued to say that must not be the case, despite the growing evidence. 
    The CIA (of which this witness is an employee) has determined it is "more likely than not" lab originated, but they made the assessment with low confidence.  His testimony was chock full of conjecture and opinions but offered no empirical or smoking gun evidence that changes any of the existing understandings.  
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,145
    shecky said:
    mace1229 said:
    shecky said:


    Be afraid. Be very afraid. Not just about a new virus but, about our government agencies hiding the truth.
    There are live hearings being held as we speak (May 13, 2026 10:30 a.m. EST) that you can watch.
    I haven't seen what specifically this is about. But if they're going into the origins of Covid, I don't think anyone thinks there weren't some shenanigans about continuing to deny it was from a China lab after it was obvious. That was one of those times where because Trump said it was from a China lab half the country continued to say that must not be the case, despite the growing evidence. 
    You are entirely correct. And, it was not only Dr. Fauci (whom President Biden issued a full and unconditional preemptive pardon) who lied repeatedly to us about the facts, but the CIA did, as well.
    And, perhaps most frightening of all, the news media played along with them and lied and refused to report the truth!
    So when the gov't and the CIA completes an analysis, you believe that the "news media" played along and should have reported the "truth".  Tell me, what was the truth and what evidence did the media have of this truth that the CIA and gov't did not provide? And how did the media get it?  
  • Go Beavers
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    mace1229 said:
    shecky said:


    Be afraid. Be very afraid. Not just about a new virus but, about our government agencies hiding the truth.
    There are live hearings being held as we speak (May 13, 2026 10:30 a.m. EST) that you can watch.
    I haven't seen what specifically this is about. But if they're going into the origins of Covid, I don't think anyone thinks there weren't some shenanigans about continuing to deny it was from a China lab after it was obvious. That was one of those times where because Trump said it was from a China lab half the country continued to say that must not be the case, despite the growing evidence. 
    ‘Obvious’. Lol
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,254
    edited May 14
    mace1229 said:
    shecky said:


    Be afraid. Be very afraid. Not just about a new virus but, about our government agencies hiding the truth.
    There are live hearings being held as we speak (May 13, 2026 10:30 a.m. EST) that you can watch.
    I haven't seen what specifically this is about. But if they're going into the origins of Covid, I don't think anyone thinks there weren't some shenanigans about continuing to deny it was from a China lab after it was obvious. That was one of those times where because Trump said it was from a China lab half the country continued to say that must not be the case, despite the growing evidence. 
    ‘Obvious’. Lol
    Maybe I should have said "obvious that it could have". We'll probably never know for sure. But for a few years you were called racist and a conspiracy theorist by many for even questioning the possibility. 
    As mrussel said, I agree there isn't a smoking gun pointing to the lab, but now it is an acceptable theory.
    Post edited by mace1229 on
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 46,765
    mrussel1 said:
    shecky said:
    mace1229 said:
    shecky said:


    Be afraid. Be very afraid. Not just about a new virus but, about our government agencies hiding the truth.
    There are live hearings being held as we speak (May 13, 2026 10:30 a.m. EST) that you can watch.
    I haven't seen what specifically this is about. But if they're going into the origins of Covid, I don't think anyone thinks there weren't some shenanigans about continuing to deny it was from a China lab after it was obvious. That was one of those times where because Trump said it was from a China lab half the country continued to say that must not be the case, despite the growing evidence. 
    You are entirely correct. And, it was not only Dr. Fauci (whom President Biden issued a full and unconditional preemptive pardon) who lied repeatedly to us about the facts, but the CIA did, as well.
    And, perhaps most frightening of all, the news media played along with them and lied and refused to report the truth!
    So when the gov't and the CIA completes an analysis, you believe that the "news media" played along and should have reported the "truth".  Tell me, what was the truth and what evidence did the media have of this truth that the CIA and gov't did not provide? And how did the media get it?  
    please keep breathing normally as wait wait for the nonresponse.

    good to see you again and hope all is well 

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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,254
    edited May 14
    mrussel1 said:
    shecky said:
    mace1229 said:
    shecky said:


    Be afraid. Be very afraid. Not just about a new virus but, about our government agencies hiding the truth.
    There are live hearings being held as we speak (May 13, 2026 10:30 a.m. EST) that you can watch.
    I haven't seen what specifically this is about. But if they're going into the origins of Covid, I don't think anyone thinks there weren't some shenanigans about continuing to deny it was from a China lab after it was obvious. That was one of those times where because Trump said it was from a China lab half the country continued to say that must not be the case, despite the growing evidence. 
    You are entirely correct. And, it was not only Dr. Fauci (whom President Biden issued a full and unconditional preemptive pardon) who lied repeatedly to us about the facts, but the CIA did, as well.
    And, perhaps most frightening of all, the news media played along with them and lied and refused to report the truth!
    So when the gov't and the CIA completes an analysis, you believe that the "news media" played along and should have reported the "truth".  Tell me, what was the truth and what evidence did the media have of this truth that the CIA and gov't did not provide? And how did the media get it?  
    I know you didn't ask me this question, but it seems clear to me the possibility of a lab leak was downplayed a lot. I thought that was commonly understood by most that it was immediately dismissed prematurely as a possibility. I don't think there was a big underground ring where they coordinated a conspiracy, but more like "Trump said it, so it must be wrong" attitude that lead to the complete dismissal by many politicians and media of a possible lab leak. Despite the fact there was a lab near where the outbreak started, lack of cooperation from China, high profile scientists who scrutinized the outbreak were missing or jailed. Yet, at the time, if you said that looks suspicious and maybe the lab had something to do with it, you were labeled a racist conspiracy theorist. 
    You are correct that there is no definitive proof of a leak, and maybe it wasn't. But it was prematurely dismissed and the whole wet market thing was pushed very hard as the only possibility when the leak should have been considered from the beginning too.
    Post edited by mace1229 on
  • shecky
    shecky San Francisco Posts: 2,924

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/top-4-explosive-moments-cia-whistleblowers-testimony-alleged-covid-19-lab-leak-cover

    One of the greatest features of President Trump's second term is that a lot of the dirty dealings the former administration swept under the rug are now coming to light and being exposed to the American public. 
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,981
    I often wonder if its willful ignorance or performative incompetence in the name of trolling. 



  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 43,413
    This comment from Erdman shows why the Dems should have been there.

    "Nothing shocks me anymore with our colleagues from the other side of the aisle, but I'm shocked that not one of them showed up here," Johnson told Erdman.

    "This is serious oversight work," he added. "This is what the American people need to see. And I just wish our Democrat colleagues had any level of curiosity about what's happening inside the deep state."

  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 44,290
    This comment from Erdman shows why the Dems should have been there.

    "Nothing shocks me anymore with our colleagues from the other side of the aisle, but I'm shocked that not one of them showed up here," Johnson told Erdman.

    "This is serious oversight work," he added. "This is what the American people need to see. And I just wish our Democrat colleagues had any level of curiosity about what's happening inside the deep state."

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    Why? To lend legitimacy to the circus? Did you watch any of the hearing? Political theater at its worst and nothing will come of it.

    RELEASE THE FILES!!!!!

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  • 23scidoo
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    Anti-vaxx conspiracy theorists are always good for a laugh.
    You know..these things work both ways.. :D
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  • Tim Simmons
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    yeah, but one side has facts, the scientific method, normal people, etc on its side.