Immigration

Get_Right · January 14

gimmesometruth27 said:

Get_Right said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

I will not comment on the legality of the lethal force used. But I am constantly amazed by how people have total disregard for law enforcement instructions and encounters. Not just ICE. Take it too far and it will not end well for you. And that applies to US citizens as well. If she stopped the SUV would we be talking about lethal force?

they were illegally trying to enter her vehicle. they have no jurisdiction over US citizens.

Every time I’ve looked it up I see that ice can detain and arrest a citizen who assaults, impedes and refuses a lawful order of an agent. I don’t know where this notion of they can’t touch a citizen is coming from, but it doesn’t seem to be true.

their name is

immigration and customs enforcement.

That is correct. They are also federal agents. It is a federal crime and a felony to assault or impede a federal officers. All those people who have thrown objects at them have technically committed federal crimes and could have been arrested by the ice agents. They do have jurisdiction over citizens if you commit a federal crime against them.

renee was not impeding the federal officers.

defending a murderer is a very bad look here.

i would not want the record here to reflect that i am defending the american gestapo, but by all means, you do you.

You just read what you want to on here. I have said many times the shooting was not justified.
So, because I disagree with you that parking your car in the road and obstructing traffic, and not moving after they have asked you to move, is impeding their duty, that means I support the shooting of civilians? You love making some giant leaps and putting words into my mouth. But you do you, keep making stuff up.

The facts are she was part of an anti-ice group. She stopped perpendicular to the flow of traffic for several minutes. Was asked to move her car and did not. That is impeding law enforcement. That also does not justify being shot. Both things can be true.

she was asked to move her car, and once she did, she was murdered. have you seen the other videos of these gestapos in action the last few days? they are literally lawless assholes. They are the proud boys but with authority and immunity. it's beyond fucked up.

The references to the gestapo are highly offensive. Murder is not their primary objective.

first, to gimme's point, the comparison is just. second, at this point, I'm not overly concerned with offending. we're so far past that point it's not even fucking funny.

Then simply keep your criticism objective based on the current state. What is happening in our country may anger you but it is not Nazi Germany. It is ok to say it is not legal, or I object to the deployment of special forces, ICE, or the National Guard to address immigration issues or civil unrest. But Trump is not deploying death squads.

again the gestapo and the einsatzgruppen and the ss are all different things.

maybe read about those things and then comment.

I have read more about it than you could ever guess. This is not nazi Germany and nothing you or Halifax can say will convince me otherwise.

just curious. what books have you read on the nazis?

Start with the Rise and Fall. Or the Nuremberg trials. And many films.

Get_Right · January 14

gimmesometruth27 said:

Get_Right said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

I will not comment on the legality of the lethal force used. But I am constantly amazed by how people have total disregard for law enforcement instructions and encounters. Not just ICE. Take it too far and it will not end well for you. And that applies to US citizens as well. If she stopped the SUV would we be talking about lethal force?

they were illegally trying to enter her vehicle. they have no jurisdiction over US citizens.

Every time I’ve looked it up I see that ice can detain and arrest a citizen who assaults, impedes and refuses a lawful order of an agent. I don’t know where this notion of they can’t touch a citizen is coming from, but it doesn’t seem to be true.

their name is

immigration and customs enforcement.

That is correct. They are also federal agents. It is a federal crime and a felony to assault or impede a federal officers. All those people who have thrown objects at them have technically committed federal crimes and could have been arrested by the ice agents. They do have jurisdiction over citizens if you commit a federal crime against them.

renee was not impeding the federal officers.

defending a murderer is a very bad look here.

i would not want the record here to reflect that i am defending the american gestapo, but by all means, you do you.

You just read what you want to on here. I have said many times the shooting was not justified.
So, because I disagree with you that parking your car in the road and obstructing traffic, and not moving after they have asked you to move, is impeding their duty, that means I support the shooting of civilians? You love making some giant leaps and putting words into my mouth. But you do you, keep making stuff up.

The facts are she was part of an anti-ice group. She stopped perpendicular to the flow of traffic for several minutes. Was asked to move her car and did not. That is impeding law enforcement. That also does not justify being shot. Both things can be true.

she was asked to move her car, and once she did, she was murdered. have you seen the other videos of these gestapos in action the last few days? they are literally lawless assholes. They are the proud boys but with authority and immunity. it's beyond fucked up.

The references to the gestapo are highly offensive. Murder is not their primary objective.

first, to gimme's point, the comparison is just. second, at this point, I'm not overly concerned with offending. we're so far past that point it's not even fucking funny.

Then simply keep your criticism objective based on the current state. What is happening in our country may anger you but it is not Nazi Germany. It is ok to say it is not legal, or I object to the deployment of special forces, ICE, or the National Guard to address immigration issues or civil unrest. But Trump is not deploying death squads.

again the gestapo and the einsatzgruppen and the ss are all different things.

maybe read about those things and then comment.

I have read more about it than you could ever guess. This is not nazi Germany and nothing you or Halifax can say will convince me otherwise.

do you really need me to clarify that this is not nazi germany?

it is actually 80 years later than nazi germany. and we have a madman guilty of serious crimes running the country that has no guardrails or safeguards any longer. he has immunity from the supreme court.

no, this is not nazi germany. it is worse.

ice is the american gestapo. end of story.

You are lost and completely out of touch if you think this is worse.

Gern Blansten · January 14

Get_Right said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

I will not comment on the legality of the lethal force used. But I am constantly amazed by how people have total disregard for law enforcement instructions and encounters. Not just ICE. Take it too far and it will not end well for you. And that applies to US citizens as well. If she stopped the SUV would we be talking about lethal force?

they were illegally trying to enter her vehicle. they have no jurisdiction over US citizens.

Every time I’ve looked it up I see that ice can detain and arrest a citizen who assaults, impedes and refuses a lawful order of an agent. I don’t know where this notion of they can’t touch a citizen is coming from, but it doesn’t seem to be true.

their name is

immigration and customs enforcement.

That is correct. They are also federal agents. It is a federal crime and a felony to assault or impede a federal officers. All those people who have thrown objects at them have technically committed federal crimes and could have been arrested by the ice agents. They do have jurisdiction over citizens if you commit a federal crime against them.

renee was not impeding the federal officers.

defending a murderer is a very bad look here.

i would not want the record here to reflect that i am defending the american gestapo, but by all means, you do you.

You just read what you want to on here. I have said many times the shooting was not justified.
So, because I disagree with you that parking your car in the road and obstructing traffic, and not moving after they have asked you to move, is impeding their duty, that means I support the shooting of civilians? You love making some giant leaps and putting words into my mouth. But you do you, keep making stuff up.

The facts are she was part of an anti-ice group. She stopped perpendicular to the flow of traffic for several minutes. Was asked to move her car and did not. That is impeding law enforcement. That also does not justify being shot. Both things can be true.

she was asked to move her car, and once she did, she was murdered. have you seen the other videos of these gestapos in action the last few days? they are literally lawless assholes. They are the proud boys but with authority and immunity. it's beyond fucked up.

The references to the gestapo are highly offensive. Murder is not their primary objective.

first, to gimme's point, the comparison is just. second, at this point, I'm not overly concerned with offending. we're so far past that point it's not even fucking funny.

Then simply keep your criticism objective based on the current state. What is happening in our country may anger you but it is not Nazi Germany. It is ok to say it is not legal, or I object to the deployment of special forces, ICE, or the National Guard to address immigration issues or civil unrest. But Trump is not deploying death squads.

again the gestapo and the einsatzgruppen and the ss are all different things.

maybe read about those things and then comment.

I have read more about it than you could ever guess. This is not nazi Germany and nothing you or Halifax can say will convince me otherwise.

The holocaust wouldn't have happened if cell phones and the internet existed at the time.

Halifax2TheMax · January 14

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Amazing the number of people who are totally okay with the fascism, even some who post here and may have swore to uphold the constitution. I guess they’re fascists. Takes all kinds, eh?

Halifax2TheMax · January 14

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Yup, no similarities at all. Guess they’re just domestic terrorists for refusing to comply, eh? Keep on keeping your heads in the sand or, letting us know who you are.

UPenn faculty condemn Trump administration’s demand for ‘lists of Jews’

Groups say EEOC demand for names and personal details echoes dark history and threatens safety and civil rights

Several faculty groups have denounced the Trump administration’s efforts to obtain information about Jewish professors, staff and students at the University of Pennsylvania – including personal emails, phone numbers and home addresses – as government abuse with “ominous historical overtones”.

The US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) is demanding the university turn over names and personal information about Jewish members of the Penn community as part of the administration’s stated goal to combat antisemitism on campuses. But some Jewish faculty and staff have condemned the government’s demand as “a visceral threat to the safety of those who would find themselves identified because compiling and turning over to the government ‘lists of Jews’ conjures a terrifying history”, according to a press release put out by the groups’ lawyers.

The EEOC sued Penn in November over the university’s refusal to fully comply with its demands. On Tuesday, the American Association of University Professors’ national and Penn chapters, the university’s Jewish Law Students Association and its Association of Senior and Emeritus Faculty, and the American Academy of Jewish Research filed a motion in federal court to intervene in the case.

“These requests would require Penn to create and turn over a centralized registry of Jewish students, faculty, and staff – a profoundly invasive and dangerous demand that intrudes deeply into the freedoms of association, religion, speech, and privacy enshrined in the First Amendment,” the groups argued.

“We are entering territory that should shock every single one of us,” said Norm Eisen, co-founder and executive chair of the Democracy Defenders Fund on a press call. The fund is representing the faculty groups along with the American Civil Liberties Union of Pennsylvania and the firm Hangley Aronchick Segal Pudlin and Schiller. “That kind of information – however purportedly benign the excuses given for it – can be put to the most dangerous misuse. This is an abuse of government power that drags us back to some of the darkest chapters in our history.”

The EEOC did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The University of Pennsylvania was among dozens of US universities to come under federal investigation over alleged antisemitism in the aftermath of the 7 October 2023 Hamas attacks and Israel’s subsequent war in Gaza. In response, the university established a taskforce to study antisemitism, implemented a series of measures and shared hundreds of pages of documents to comply with government demands.

But the university refused to comply with the EEOC’s July subpoena for personal information of Jewish faculty, students and staff, or those affiliated with Jewish organizations who had not given their consent, as well as the names of individuals who had participated in confidential listening sessions or received a survey by the university’s antisemitism taskforce. A university spokesperson said in November that “violating their privacy and trust is antithetical to ensuring Penn’s Jewish community feels protected and safe”. Instead, the university offered to inform all its employees of the EEOC investigation, inviting those interested to contact the agency directly.

But that was not enough for the commission, which brought the university to court to seek to enforce the subpoena.

“The EEOC remains steadfast in its commitment to combatting workplace antisemitism and seeks to identify employees who may have experienced antisemitic harassment. Unfortunately, the employer continues to refuse to identify members of its workforce who may have been subjected to this unlawful conduct,” the EEOC chair, Andrea Lucas, said in a statement at the time. “An employer’s obstruction of efforts to identify witnesses and victims undermines the EEOC’s ability to investigate harassment.”

The EEOC request prompted widespread alarm and condemnation among Jewish faculty, and earned rebukes from the university’s Hillel and other Jewish groups.

Steven Weitzman, a professor with Penn’s religious studies department who also served on the university’s antisemitism taskforce, said that the mere request for such lists “instills a sense of vulnerability among Jews” and that the government cannot guarantee that the information it collects won’t fall “into the wrong hands or have unintended consequences”.

“Part of what sets off alarm bells for people like me is a history of people using Jewish lists against Jews,” he said . “The Nazi campaign against Jews depended on institutions like universities handing over information about their Jewish members to the authorities.”

“As Jewish study scholars, we know well the dangers of collecting such information,” said Beth Wenger, who teaches Jewish history at Penn.

It’s not the first time the EEOC’s efforts to fight antisemitism have caused alarm among Jewish faculty. Last spring, the commission texted the personal phones of employees of Barnard College, the women’s school affiliated with Columbia University, linking to a survey that asked respondents whether they identified as Jewish or Israeli.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/13/upenn-trump-jews-list

Halifax2TheMax · January 14

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Tell us again how it’s not an apt comparison, please?

Union leaders accuse Trump administration of ‘shift toward white supremacy’ with online posts

Labor department rhetoric, such as ‘One Homeland. One People. One Heritage’, prompt comparisons to Nazi slogan

Union leaders have accused the Trump administration of a “rhetorical shift towards white supremacy” after social media posts by the US Department of Labor drew comparison with a Nazi slogan.

Recent posts from the agency include a video captioned “remember who you are, American”, with the phrase: “One Homeland. One People. One Heritage.”

Users of X, formerly Twitter, and Grok, the platform’s AI tool, highlighted a similarity with the Nazi slogan: “Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer” (“one people, one realm, one leader”).

“The similarity to that Nazi slogan is bad,” Christopher Hayes, a labor historian and professor at Rutgers University, told the Guardian, expressing alarm over “the motivation behind it, the message, the sentiment and desired outcome”.

Jimmy Williams Jr, general president of the International Union of Painters and Allied Trades, said the labor department had repeatedly imitated “far-right and fascist imagery” online: “When people tell you who they are, believe them.”

Puneet Maharaj, executive director of National Nurses United, the largest nurses’ union in the US, added: “It is no surprise that a fascist regime would post fascist propaganda on a fascist social media network like X, but it remains concerning to see the DOL making posts that serve a fascist, white supremacist agenda.”

The Department of Labor did not comment on the agency’s specific rhetoric on social media. “The social media campaign was created to celebrate American workers and the American Dream,” a spokesperson said.

The campaign has triggered a chorus of criticism, alarmed historians and senior figures in the labor movement, and concerned workers inside the agency.

“The whole point is to demonize the foreign worker, to convince the white working-class vision of the guy who loves Trump,” said Hayes. “The point is to convince that guy [that] he is the real American, he has been all along, and people like him made this country, and only people like him, so only people like him belong. It’s the same thing the Nazis did.”

Nazi propaganda featured “idealized smiling Germans with these grandiose slogans … about what your country is doing, how great your country is, what you can do for it, and it erases the other,” said Hayes. “The other, in the case of Germany, was the Jew.”

Under Trump, the labor department has published artwork, apparently generated by artificial intelligence(AI), depicting only white male workers. “Primarily here we have a lot of others, and they’re all erased in those montages,” added Hayes.

Other posts by the labor department frequently cite “Americanism”, decry “globalism” and tout misleading claims that all US job gains under Trump have gone to “native born” Americans.

Maharaj, of National Nurses United, said the agency’s posts form “part of a broader rhetorical shift towards white supremacy that many federal departments and agencies are undergoing under the Trump administration”.

“There are no words strong enough to condemn the propagandistic use of federal departments and their social media channels towards the administration’s ends, which are clearly to harm working people and to benefit billionaires, regardless of immigration status for either,” she added.

Williams Jr, of the International Union of Painters and Allied Trades, said: “There is a very clear through-line between the administration’s fascist imagery and their violent behavior, like what we all just saw in Minneapolis when Renee Good was killed by an ICE [Immigration and Customs Enforcement] agent.”

Inside the labor department, the agency’s rhetoric has also caused consternation.

A labor department employee, not authorized to speak publicly, described the recent social media activity as “radical and ideological”, and said they feared such posts undermine trust in the agency.

“Fear reduces reporting, cooperation and early resolution. Those outcomes harm workers first and weaken the agency’s mission,” they said. “Political tone on official channels creates discomfort for career staff and weakens credibility with workers and employers. I wish the Department of Labor would remember who they are and what they do.”

A former labor department staffer, who requested to remain anonymous for fear of retaliation, said the rhetoric is “disturbing and harkens back to a whites-only era”, adding: “When they publish posts that decry ‘globalism’, as a Jew, I recognize that as an antisemitic dog whistle.”

Another former official at the agency, who also requested anonymity, citing fears of harassment, said the department’s social media profiles were previously a place where workers and employers could find important information, developed by policy experts.

“Now it’s a place where they can find AI slop developed by a 23-year-old,with no discernible insights on work or workers,” they said. “What a difference a year makes.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/14/union-leaders-trump-administration-white-supremacy

brianlux · January 14

Halifax2TheMax said:

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.
Amazing the number of people who are totally okay with the fascism, even some who post here and may have swore to uphold the constitution. I guess they’re fascists. Takes all kinds, eh?

It truly boggles the mind. All I can figure is it must be some form of masochism. Or maybe it's "winning" (even if it means losing).

Tim Simmons · January 14

I'm coming around to the belief that for a large swath of Americans, and for various reasons, unless it affects them directly, they don't give a shit/could not care less.

Tim Simmons · January 14

And I'd love to see a venn diagram of the people who are that way and don't vote. I don't think it would be a circle, but I'd be willing to bet theres serious cross over.

mickeyrat · January 14

Tim Simmons said:

And I'd love to see a venn diagram of the people who are that way and don't vote. I don't think it would be a circle, but I'd be willing to bet theres serious cross over.

would love to see an extensive study done with a very large sample size on those 90 millon or so who dont vote and why.

gimmesometruth27 · January 15

Get_Right said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Get_Right said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

I will not comment on the legality of the lethal force used. But I am constantly amazed by how people have total disregard for law enforcement instructions and encounters. Not just ICE. Take it too far and it will not end well for you. And that applies to US citizens as well. If she stopped the SUV would we be talking about lethal force?

they were illegally trying to enter her vehicle. they have no jurisdiction over US citizens.

Every time I’ve looked it up I see that ice can detain and arrest a citizen who assaults, impedes and refuses a lawful order of an agent. I don’t know where this notion of they can’t touch a citizen is coming from, but it doesn’t seem to be true.

their name is

immigration and customs enforcement.

That is correct. They are also federal agents. It is a federal crime and a felony to assault or impede a federal officers. All those people who have thrown objects at them have technically committed federal crimes and could have been arrested by the ice agents. They do have jurisdiction over citizens if you commit a federal crime against them.

renee was not impeding the federal officers.

defending a murderer is a very bad look here.

i would not want the record here to reflect that i am defending the american gestapo, but by all means, you do you.

You just read what you want to on here. I have said many times the shooting was not justified.
So, because I disagree with you that parking your car in the road and obstructing traffic, and not moving after they have asked you to move, is impeding their duty, that means I support the shooting of civilians? You love making some giant leaps and putting words into my mouth. But you do you, keep making stuff up.

The facts are she was part of an anti-ice group. She stopped perpendicular to the flow of traffic for several minutes. Was asked to move her car and did not. That is impeding law enforcement. That also does not justify being shot. Both things can be true.

she was asked to move her car, and once she did, she was murdered. have you seen the other videos of these gestapos in action the last few days? they are literally lawless assholes. They are the proud boys but with authority and immunity. it's beyond fucked up.

The references to the gestapo are highly offensive. Murder is not their primary objective.

first, to gimme's point, the comparison is just. second, at this point, I'm not overly concerned with offending. we're so far past that point it's not even fucking funny.

Then simply keep your criticism objective based on the current state. What is happening in our country may anger you but it is not Nazi Germany. It is ok to say it is not legal, or I object to the deployment of special forces, ICE, or the National Guard to address immigration issues or civil unrest. But Trump is not deploying death squads.

again the gestapo and the einsatzgruppen and the ss are all different things.

maybe read about those things and then comment.

I have read more about it than you could ever guess. This is not nazi Germany and nothing you or Halifax can say will convince me otherwise.

just curious. what books have you read on the nazis?

Start with the Rise and Fall. Or the Nuremberg trials. And many films.

i've read rise and fall. i used to keep it on my coffee table because it is such a huge book. then i concluded that that book cover is not something i wanted to leave sitting around for people to see.

i've read about the trials, and have seen documentaries on them. also the einsatzgruppen documentary on netflix is a painful, but must see, series. it shows the similarities of how things started there in the 30s and what it became.

gimmesometruth27 · January 15

Get_Right said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Get_Right said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

I will not comment on the legality of the lethal force used. But I am constantly amazed by how people have total disregard for law enforcement instructions and encounters. Not just ICE. Take it too far and it will not end well for you. And that applies to US citizens as well. If she stopped the SUV would we be talking about lethal force?

they were illegally trying to enter her vehicle. they have no jurisdiction over US citizens.

Every time I’ve looked it up I see that ice can detain and arrest a citizen who assaults, impedes and refuses a lawful order of an agent. I don’t know where this notion of they can’t touch a citizen is coming from, but it doesn’t seem to be true.

their name is

immigration and customs enforcement.

That is correct. They are also federal agents. It is a federal crime and a felony to assault or impede a federal officers. All those people who have thrown objects at them have technically committed federal crimes and could have been arrested by the ice agents. They do have jurisdiction over citizens if you commit a federal crime against them.

renee was not impeding the federal officers.

defending a murderer is a very bad look here.

i would not want the record here to reflect that i am defending the american gestapo, but by all means, you do you.

You just read what you want to on here. I have said many times the shooting was not justified.
So, because I disagree with you that parking your car in the road and obstructing traffic, and not moving after they have asked you to move, is impeding their duty, that means I support the shooting of civilians? You love making some giant leaps and putting words into my mouth. But you do you, keep making stuff up.

The facts are she was part of an anti-ice group. She stopped perpendicular to the flow of traffic for several minutes. Was asked to move her car and did not. That is impeding law enforcement. That also does not justify being shot. Both things can be true.

she was asked to move her car, and once she did, she was murdered. have you seen the other videos of these gestapos in action the last few days? they are literally lawless assholes. They are the proud boys but with authority and immunity. it's beyond fucked up.

The references to the gestapo are highly offensive. Murder is not their primary objective.

first, to gimme's point, the comparison is just. second, at this point, I'm not overly concerned with offending. we're so far past that point it's not even fucking funny.

Then simply keep your criticism objective based on the current state. What is happening in our country may anger you but it is not Nazi Germany. It is ok to say it is not legal, or I object to the deployment of special forces, ICE, or the National Guard to address immigration issues or civil unrest. But Trump is not deploying death squads.

again the gestapo and the einsatzgruppen and the ss are all different things.

maybe read about those things and then comment.

I have read more about it than you could ever guess. This is not nazi Germany and nothing you or Halifax can say will convince me otherwise.

do you really need me to clarify that this is not nazi germany?

it is actually 80 years later than nazi germany. and we have a madman guilty of serious crimes running the country that has no guardrails or safeguards any longer. he has immunity from the supreme court.

no, this is not nazi germany. it is worse.

ice is the american gestapo. end of story.

You are lost and completely out of touch if you think this is worse.

it is worse in the sense that the madman in charge has nuclear weapons and no guardrails. he is bound not by international law, but "by my own morality". that there, is worse.

mickeyrat · January 15

Tenth grader Arnoldo Bazan and his father were getting McDonald’s before school when immigration agents pulled them over. After a pursuit, agents slammed Bazan’s father to the ground and put the teenager in a chokehold. Arnoldo is 16 years old and a U.S. citizen.

“I started screaming with everything I had, because I couldn’t even breathe,” Arnoldo told ProPublica. “I felt like I was going to pass out and die.”

After George Floyd’s murder six years ago, police across the country banned chokeholds and discouraged other moves that can restrict breathing. The federal government joined in too.

But today, officers are once again grabbing civilians’ throats and kneeling on necks. We found more than 40 cases of immigration agents using banned chokeholds and other moves that can cut off breathing.

➡️ Read the full story: https://propub.li/4qSIo9d

Halifax2TheMax · January 15

mickeyrat said:

Tenth grader Arnoldo Bazan and his father were getting McDonald’s before school when immigration agents pulled them over. After a pursuit, agents slammed Bazan’s father to the ground and put the teenager in a chokehold. Arnoldo is 16 years old and a U.S. citizen.

“I started screaming with everything I had, because I couldn’t even breathe,” Arnoldo told ProPublica. “I felt like I was going to pass out and die.”

After George Floyd’s murder six years ago, police across the country banned chokeholds and discouraged other moves that can restrict breathing. The federal government joined in too.

But today, officers are once again grabbing civilians’ throats and kneeling on necks. We found more than 40 cases of immigration agents using banned chokeholds and other moves that can cut off breathing.

➡️ Read the full story: https://propub.li/4qSIo9d

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Because they “can” and “do”. Just comply. Better yet, walk yourself over to the nearest detention center and ask for your citizenship to be verified. Save yourself the trouble. And do it regularly. Maybe ask for a large C be handed out so you can sew it on your sleeve.

OnWis97 · January 15

gimmesometruth27 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

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“Going to be”? Better cancel your subscription and boycott the advertisers, eh?

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/13/politics/video/president-trump-ice-raids-joe-rogan-lead-jake-tapper

spoiler alert. too late.

i predict in 3 years maga is going to finally be like "are WE the baddies???"

Nah. In three years they'll be handing the feds lists of friends, neighbors, and family that are disloyal.

mickeyrat · January 15

President Trump warns he might invoke the Insurrection Act and deploy US troops in Minnesota as tensions flare over ICE presence in the state. Follow live updates. https://cnn.it/4jE0QzU

PJ_Soul · January 15

Get_Right said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Get_Right said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:
first, to gimme's point, the comparison is just. second, at this point, I'm not overly concerned with offending. we're so far past that point it's not even fucking funny.

Then simply keep your criticism objective based on the current state. What is happening in our country may anger you but it is not Nazi Germany. It is ok to say it is not legal, or I object to the deployment of special forces, ICE, or the National Guard to address immigration issues or civil unrest. But Trump is not deploying death squads.

again the gestapo and the einsatzgruppen and the ss are all different things.

maybe read about those things and then comment.

I have read more about it than you could ever guess. This is not nazi Germany and nothing you or Halifax can say will convince me otherwise.

just curious. what books have you read on the nazis?

Start with the Rise and Fall. Or the Nuremberg trials. And many films.

The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich very clearly demonstrates the many similarities between Hitler and Trump's tactics, not to mention the similarities between the Brown shirts and the creation of the SS and ICE. I'm really not sure how you can read that and then say there aren't clear parallels. You know that making important comparisons isn't the same as saying it's literally the same thing, right? I'm pretty sure that everyone here already knows that America in 2025 isn't Nazi Germany, lol.

Get_Right · January 15

PJ_Soul said:

Get_Right said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Get_Right said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:
first, to gimme's point, the comparison is just. second, at this point, I'm not overly concerned with offending. we're so far past that point it's not even fucking funny.

Then simply keep your criticism objective based on the current state. What is happening in our country may anger you but it is not Nazi Germany. It is ok to say it is not legal, or I object to the deployment of special forces, ICE, or the National Guard to address immigration issues or civil unrest. But Trump is not deploying death squads.

again the gestapo and the einsatzgruppen and the ss are all different things.

maybe read about those things and then comment.

I have read more about it than you could ever guess. This is not nazi Germany and nothing you or Halifax can say will convince me otherwise.

just curious. what books have you read on the nazis?

Start with the Rise and Fall. Or the Nuremberg trials. And many films.

The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich very clearly demonstrates the many similarities between Hitler and Trump's tactics, not to mention the similarities between the Brown shirts and the creation of the SS and ICE. I'm really not sure how you can read that and then say there aren't clear parallels. You know that making important comparisons isn't the same as saying it's literally the same thing, right? I'm pretty sure that everyone here already knows that America in 2025 isn't Nazi Germany, lol.

I know this is not a comparative literature or history class. I have an open mind, but there is no argument that will convince me that the current ICE and immigration crackdown is anything close to the gestapo and Nazi Germany. That is hyperbole. The ONLY similarity is that ICE is a federal unit with a specific mission. But that mission is not murder. The gestapo rounded up jews so they could be murdered. ICE is not doing that by any stretch of the imagination no matter how offended you might be with the way people are being treated.

Go Beavers · January 15

Get_Right said:

PJ_Soul said:

Get_Right said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Get_Right said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:
first, to gimme's point, the comparison is just. second, at this point, I'm not overly concerned with offending. we're so far past that point it's not even fucking funny.

Then simply keep your criticism objective based on the current state. What is happening in our country may anger you but it is not Nazi Germany. It is ok to say it is not legal, or I object to the deployment of special forces, ICE, or the National Guard to address immigration issues or civil unrest. But Trump is not deploying death squads.

again the gestapo and the einsatzgruppen and the ss are all different things.

maybe read about those things and then comment.

I have read more about it than you could ever guess. This is not nazi Germany and nothing you or Halifax can say will convince me otherwise.

just curious. what books have you read on the nazis?

Start with the Rise and Fall. Or the Nuremberg trials. And many films.

The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich very clearly demonstrates the many similarities between Hitler and Trump's tactics, not to mention the similarities between the Brown shirts and the creation of the SS and ICE. I'm really not sure how you can read that and then say there aren't clear parallels. You know that making important comparisons isn't the same as saying it's literally the same thing, right? I'm pretty sure that everyone here already knows that America in 2025 isn't Nazi Germany, lol.

I know this is not a comparative literature or history class. I have an open mind, but there is no argument that will convince me that the current ICE and immigration crackdown is anything close to the gestapo and Nazi Germany. That is hyperbole. The ONLY similarity is that ICE is a federal unit with a specific mission. But that mission is not murder. The gestapo rounded up jews so they could be murdered. ICE is not doing that by any stretch of the imagination no matter how offended you might be with the way people are being treated.

If you think that’s the only similarity, then you’re not coming at it with an open mind. I’d suggest you ask yourself what would happen if you pointed out the similarities.

Get_Right · January 15

Go Beavers said:

Get_Right said:

PJ_Soul said:

Get_Right said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Get_Right said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:
first, to gimme's point, the comparison is just. second, at this point, I'm not overly concerned with offending. we're so far past that point it's not even fucking funny.

Then simply keep your criticism objective based on the current state. What is happening in our country may anger you but it is not Nazi Germany. It is ok to say it is not legal, or I object to the deployment of special forces, ICE, or the National Guard to address immigration issues or civil unrest. But Trump is not deploying death squads.

again the gestapo and the einsatzgruppen and the ss are all different things.

maybe read about those things and then comment.

I have read more about it than you could ever guess. This is not nazi Germany and nothing you or Halifax can say will convince me otherwise.

just curious. what books have you read on the nazis?

Start with the Rise and Fall. Or the Nuremberg trials. And many films.

The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich very clearly demonstrates the many similarities between Hitler and Trump's tactics, not to mention the similarities between the Brown shirts and the creation of the SS and ICE. I'm really not sure how you can read that and then say there aren't clear parallels. You know that making important comparisons isn't the same as saying it's literally the same thing, right? I'm pretty sure that everyone here already knows that America in 2025 isn't Nazi Germany, lol.

I know this is not a comparative literature or history class. I have an open mind, but there is no argument that will convince me that the current ICE and immigration crackdown is anything close to the gestapo and Nazi Germany. That is hyperbole. The ONLY similarity is that ICE is a federal unit with a specific mission. But that mission is not murder. The gestapo rounded up jews so they could be murdered. ICE is not doing that by any stretch of the imagination no matter how offended you might be with the way people are being treated.

If you think that’s the only similarity, then you’re not coming at it with an open mind. I’d suggest you ask yourself what would happen if you pointed out the similarities.

I understand the points, and bad things are happening for sure, but comparing the ICE crackdown to one of the greatest atrocities in modern history is a huge disconnect. People are not being murdered. Violation of whatever individual rights may apply is not murder. Nazis murdered people. ICE, while certainly engaging in questionable tactics, is not a death squad.

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