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Halifax2TheMax said:Get_Right said:Halifax2TheMax said:
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Some folks might benefit from a visit to the Holocaust Museum in DC. If it hasn’t been closed yet.
but ICE enforcement is targeting multiple ethnic groups, including specific individuals, that may have a criminal background, and that may not have a legal right to be in the United States.
You forgot citizens. US citizens based on nothing more than skin color. And let us know what percentage of deportatees/detainees have/had criminal records, eh?
Hook, line and sinker. Enjoy the Nazi regime.
It does not matter what the percentage is or what your skin color is. If you are here illegally, then you might have a problem with ICE and potentially get deported. Yes they might come looking for you. It might not be a pleasant experience. Ever spent a night in US jail? It is not built for comfort. Keep comparing to the Nazis. Maybe when ICE starts killing all the immigrants on sight that argument will make sense. It just makes you sound like an uniformed radical.* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.
And it makes you sound like you’d rat your neighbors out. Does the Constitution apply to immigrants, legal or otherwise?
More offended that ICE is being compared to the Gestapo, because their behaviour hasn’t reached the level of gas chambers, yet, than the trampling of civil liberties of US fucking citizens. Unreal.
They “can” and they “do”.
Nah, I have no bone to pick with immigrants. But I would be worried if I was here illegally under the current regime. I have said it before, illegal immigrants are entitled to due process. But there is a very broad spectrum of what that means. Again, hyperbole and exaggeration. ICE has no mission that involves US citizens unless they are involved with violating the immigration laws.0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:This woman is a scholar on the subject and agrees with the Nazi comparisons:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DTc8Mj3jFZx/?igsh=MWRudGh3Y3FpMjU0MA==Are you and that woman and others here agreeing with you saying that ICE has murdered six million people?0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:I mean, they are using neo nazi songs, nazi rallying cries, nazi language, nazi threats by the fucking VP of going door to door. But hey, “they haven’t yet escalated to where the nazis eventually landed so we can’t call them that until they do” is a pretty absurd take.Are you predicting they will kill six million people?0
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Facts are important.Lerxst1992 said:HughFreakingDillon said:This woman is a scholar on the subject and agrees with the Nazi comparisons:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DTc8Mj3jFZx/?igsh=MWRudGh3Y3FpMjU0MA==Are you and that woman and others here agreeing with you saying that ICE has murdered six million people?
6 million Jews were killed
Over 17 million were killed
All because they weren't the "master race."
Because they weren't Caucasian.
ICE will continue to do what they do completely unimpeded because the current regime, and all of their supporters, want a white nationalist country.0 -
Get_Right said:Halifax2TheMax said:Get_Right said:Halifax2TheMax said:
* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.
Some folks might benefit from a visit to the Holocaust Museum in DC. If it hasn’t been closed yet.
but ICE enforcement is targeting multiple ethnic groups, including specific individuals, that may have a criminal background, and that may not have a legal right to be in the United States.
You forgot citizens. US citizens based on nothing more than skin color. And let us know what percentage of deportatees/detainees have/had criminal records, eh?
Hook, line and sinker. Enjoy the Nazi regime.
It does not matter what the percentage is or what your skin color is. If you are here illegally, then you might have a problem with ICE and potentially get deported. Yes they might come looking for you. It might not be a pleasant experience. Ever spent a night in US jail? It is not built for comfort. Keep comparing to the Nazis. Maybe when ICE starts killing all the immigrants on sight that argument will make sense. It just makes you sound like an uniformed radical.* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.
And it makes you sound like you’d rat your neighbors out. Does the Constitution apply to immigrants, legal or otherwise?
More offended that ICE is being compared to the Gestapo, because their behaviour hasn’t reached the level of gas chambers, yet, than the trampling of civil liberties of US fucking citizens. Unreal.
They “can” and they “do”.
Nah, I have no bone to pick with immigrants. But I would be worried if I was here illegally under the current regime. I have said it before, illegal immigrants are entitled to due process. But there is a very broad spectrum of what that means. Again, hyperbole and exaggeration. ICE has no mission that involves US citizens unless they are involved with violating the immigration laws.* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.
You didn’t answer the question, does the constitution apply to immigrants, legal or otherwise? It’s a yes or no question.
Where have you been? Are you claiming that US citizens going about their business, or exercising their constitutional rights, haven’t been stopped, detained, harassed, assaulted? GFL.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Aw, so cute when someone doesn’t understand nuance. Don’t worry, you’ll get it eventually.Lerxst1992 said:HughFreakingDillon said:I mean, they are using neo nazi songs, nazi rallying cries, nazi language, nazi threats by the fucking VP of going door to door. But hey, “they haven’t yet escalated to where the nazis eventually landed so we can’t call them that until they do” is a pretty absurd take.Are you predicting they will kill six million people?Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
If you feel obligated to gatekeep comparisons, show us where in history there was similar manifestations of fascism, or maybe make the claim that this current form of it is unique.Get_Right said:The gestapo targeted Jews, committed murders, and sent Jews to concentration camps for them to be murdered. 6 million of them. Gimme a break, the comparison is laughable and insulting. ICE may be highly aggressive and their tactics questionable, but that comparison is way off base.0 -
The staggering truth is, this was not even the first time, since ICE’s siege began in 2025, that an immigration enforcement officer shot a woman in her car and called her a bitch.
Now, they are explicitly telling us: They are not stopping there. https://trib.al/Coadq5X_____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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HughFreakingDillon said:
Aw, so cute when someone doesn’t understand nuance. Don’t worry, you’ll get it eventually.Lerxst1992 said:HughFreakingDillon said:I mean, they are using neo nazi songs, nazi rallying cries, nazi language, nazi threats by the fucking VP of going door to door. But hey, “they haven’t yet escalated to where the nazis eventually landed so we can’t call them that until they do” is a pretty absurd take.Are you predicting they will kill six million people?
Come on guys these LEOs with very official authority brought to you by the Homeland Security Act,are nothing like the gestapo or nazis and it’s just shameful, appalling and offensive you could think that.
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except it is not off base. we have camps here. what was alligator alcatraz?Get_Right said:The gestapo targeted Jews, committed murders, and sent Jews to concentration camps for them to be murdered. 6 million of them. Gimme a break, the comparison is laughable and insulting. ICE may be highly aggressive and their tactics questionable, but that comparison is way off base.
ice is disappearing people and murdering americans in the street. just like the gestapo.
you are not going to change my mind on this."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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again the gestapo and the einsatzgruppen and the ss are all different things.Get_Right said:HughFreakingDillon said:
first, to gimme's point, the comparison is just. second, at this point, I'm not overly concerned with offending. we're so far past that point it's not even fucking funny.Get_Right said:
The references to the gestapo are highly offensive. Murder is not their primary objective.HughFreakingDillon said:
she was asked to move her car, and once she did, she was murdered. have you seen the other videos of these gestapos in action the last few days? they are literally lawless assholes. They are the proud boys but with authority and immunity. it's beyond fucked up.mace1229 said:
You just read what you want to on here. I have said many times the shooting was not justified.gimmesometruth27 said:
renee was not impeding the federal officers.mace1229 said:
That is correct. They are also federal agents. It is a federal crime and a felony to assault or impede a federal officers. All those people who have thrown objects at them have technically committed federal crimes and could have been arrested by the ice agents. They do have jurisdiction over citizens if you commit a federal crime against them.gimmesometruth27 said:
their name ismace1229 said:
Every time I’ve looked it up I see that ice can detain and arrest a citizen who assaults, impedes and refuses a lawful order of an agent. I don’t know where this notion of they can’t touch a citizen is coming from, but it doesn’t seem to be true.HughFreakingDillon said:
they were illegally trying to enter her vehicle. they have no jurisdiction over US citizens.Get_Right said:I will not comment on the legality of the lethal force used. But I am constantly amazed by how people have total disregard for law enforcement instructions and encounters. Not just ICE. Take it too far and it will not end well for you. And that applies to US citizens as well. If she stopped the SUV would we be talking about lethal force?
immigration and customs enforcement.
defending a murderer is a very bad look here.
i would not want the record here to reflect that i am defending the american gestapo, but by all means, you do you.
So, because I disagree with you that parking your car in the road and obstructing traffic, and not moving after they have asked you to move, is impeding their duty, that means I support the shooting of civilians? You love making some giant leaps and putting words into my mouth. But you do you, keep making stuff up.
The facts are she was part of an anti-ice group. She stopped perpendicular to the flow of traffic for several minutes. Was asked to move her car and did not. That is impeding law enforcement. That also does not justify being shot. Both things can be true.
Then simply keep your criticism objective based on the current state. What is happening in our country may anger you but it is not Nazi Germany. It is ok to say it is not legal, or I object to the deployment of special forces, ICE, or the National Guard to address immigration issues or civil unrest. But Trump is not deploying death squads.
maybe read about those things and then comment."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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spoiler alert. too late.Halifax2TheMax said:* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.
“Going to be”? Better cancel your subscription and boycott the advertisers, eh?
https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/13/politics/video/president-trump-ice-raids-joe-rogan-lead-jake-tapper
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gimmesometruth27 said:
again the gestapo and the einsatzgruppen and the ss are all different things.Get_Right said:HughFreakingDillon said:
first, to gimme's point, the comparison is just. second, at this point, I'm not overly concerned with offending. we're so far past that point it's not even fucking funny.Get_Right said:
The references to the gestapo are highly offensive. Murder is not their primary objective.HughFreakingDillon said:
she was asked to move her car, and once she did, she was murdered. have you seen the other videos of these gestapos in action the last few days? they are literally lawless assholes. They are the proud boys but with authority and immunity. it's beyond fucked up.mace1229 said:
You just read what you want to on here. I have said many times the shooting was not justified.gimmesometruth27 said:
renee was not impeding the federal officers.mace1229 said:
That is correct. They are also federal agents. It is a federal crime and a felony to assault or impede a federal officers. All those people who have thrown objects at them have technically committed federal crimes and could have been arrested by the ice agents. They do have jurisdiction over citizens if you commit a federal crime against them.gimmesometruth27 said:
their name ismace1229 said:
Every time I’ve looked it up I see that ice can detain and arrest a citizen who assaults, impedes and refuses a lawful order of an agent. I don’t know where this notion of they can’t touch a citizen is coming from, but it doesn’t seem to be true.HughFreakingDillon said:
they were illegally trying to enter her vehicle. they have no jurisdiction over US citizens.Get_Right said:I will not comment on the legality of the lethal force used. But I am constantly amazed by how people have total disregard for law enforcement instructions and encounters. Not just ICE. Take it too far and it will not end well for you. And that applies to US citizens as well. If she stopped the SUV would we be talking about lethal force?
immigration and customs enforcement.
defending a murderer is a very bad look here.
i would not want the record here to reflect that i am defending the american gestapo, but by all means, you do you.
So, because I disagree with you that parking your car in the road and obstructing traffic, and not moving after they have asked you to move, is impeding their duty, that means I support the shooting of civilians? You love making some giant leaps and putting words into my mouth. But you do you, keep making stuff up.
The facts are she was part of an anti-ice group. She stopped perpendicular to the flow of traffic for several minutes. Was asked to move her car and did not. That is impeding law enforcement. That also does not justify being shot. Both things can be true.
Then simply keep your criticism objective based on the current state. What is happening in our country may anger you but it is not Nazi Germany. It is ok to say it is not legal, or I object to the deployment of special forces, ICE, or the National Guard to address immigration issues or civil unrest. But Trump is not deploying death squads.
maybe read about those things and then comment.
I have read more about it than you could ever guess. This is not nazi Germany and nothing you or Halifax can say will convince me otherwise.0 -
Get_Right said:gimmesometruth27 said:
again the gestapo and the einsatzgruppen and the ss are all different things.Get_Right said:HughFreakingDillon said:
first, to gimme's point, the comparison is just. second, at this point, I'm not overly concerned with offending. we're so far past that point it's not even fucking funny.Get_Right said:
The references to the gestapo are highly offensive. Murder is not their primary objective.HughFreakingDillon said:
she was asked to move her car, and once she did, she was murdered. have you seen the other videos of these gestapos in action the last few days? they are literally lawless assholes. They are the proud boys but with authority and immunity. it's beyond fucked up.mace1229 said:
You just read what you want to on here. I have said many times the shooting was not justified.gimmesometruth27 said:
renee was not impeding the federal officers.mace1229 said:
That is correct. They are also federal agents. It is a federal crime and a felony to assault or impede a federal officers. All those people who have thrown objects at them have technically committed federal crimes and could have been arrested by the ice agents. They do have jurisdiction over citizens if you commit a federal crime against them.gimmesometruth27 said:
their name ismace1229 said:
Every time I’ve looked it up I see that ice can detain and arrest a citizen who assaults, impedes and refuses a lawful order of an agent. I don’t know where this notion of they can’t touch a citizen is coming from, but it doesn’t seem to be true.HughFreakingDillon said:
they were illegally trying to enter her vehicle. they have no jurisdiction over US citizens.Get_Right said:I will not comment on the legality of the lethal force used. But I am constantly amazed by how people have total disregard for law enforcement instructions and encounters. Not just ICE. Take it too far and it will not end well for you. And that applies to US citizens as well. If she stopped the SUV would we be talking about lethal force?
immigration and customs enforcement.
defending a murderer is a very bad look here.
i would not want the record here to reflect that i am defending the american gestapo, but by all means, you do you.
So, because I disagree with you that parking your car in the road and obstructing traffic, and not moving after they have asked you to move, is impeding their duty, that means I support the shooting of civilians? You love making some giant leaps and putting words into my mouth. But you do you, keep making stuff up.
The facts are she was part of an anti-ice group. She stopped perpendicular to the flow of traffic for several minutes. Was asked to move her car and did not. That is impeding law enforcement. That also does not justify being shot. Both things can be true.
Then simply keep your criticism objective based on the current state. What is happening in our country may anger you but it is not Nazi Germany. It is ok to say it is not legal, or I object to the deployment of special forces, ICE, or the National Guard to address immigration issues or civil unrest. But Trump is not deploying death squads.
maybe read about those things and then comment.
I have read more about it than you could ever guess. This is not nazi Germany and nothing you or Halifax can say will convince me otherwise.* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.
You should give reading the constitution a try.
Another yes/no question for you, seeing how you didn’t answer the previous yes/no question. A simple yes or no will suffice:
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right. if you can't see the parallels it is because you don't want to.Get_Right said:gimmesometruth27 said:
again the gestapo and the einsatzgruppen and the ss are all different things.Get_Right said:HughFreakingDillon said:
first, to gimme's point, the comparison is just. second, at this point, I'm not overly concerned with offending. we're so far past that point it's not even fucking funny.Get_Right said:
The references to the gestapo are highly offensive. Murder is not their primary objective.HughFreakingDillon said:
she was asked to move her car, and once she did, she was murdered. have you seen the other videos of these gestapos in action the last few days? they are literally lawless assholes. They are the proud boys but with authority and immunity. it's beyond fucked up.mace1229 said:
You just read what you want to on here. I have said many times the shooting was not justified.gimmesometruth27 said:
renee was not impeding the federal officers.mace1229 said:
That is correct. They are also federal agents. It is a federal crime and a felony to assault or impede a federal officers. All those people who have thrown objects at them have technically committed federal crimes and could have been arrested by the ice agents. They do have jurisdiction over citizens if you commit a federal crime against them.gimmesometruth27 said:
their name ismace1229 said:
Every time I’ve looked it up I see that ice can detain and arrest a citizen who assaults, impedes and refuses a lawful order of an agent. I don’t know where this notion of they can’t touch a citizen is coming from, but it doesn’t seem to be true.HughFreakingDillon said:
they were illegally trying to enter her vehicle. they have no jurisdiction over US citizens.Get_Right said:I will not comment on the legality of the lethal force used. But I am constantly amazed by how people have total disregard for law enforcement instructions and encounters. Not just ICE. Take it too far and it will not end well for you. And that applies to US citizens as well. If she stopped the SUV would we be talking about lethal force?
immigration and customs enforcement.
defending a murderer is a very bad look here.
i would not want the record here to reflect that i am defending the american gestapo, but by all means, you do you.
So, because I disagree with you that parking your car in the road and obstructing traffic, and not moving after they have asked you to move, is impeding their duty, that means I support the shooting of civilians? You love making some giant leaps and putting words into my mouth. But you do you, keep making stuff up.
The facts are she was part of an anti-ice group. She stopped perpendicular to the flow of traffic for several minutes. Was asked to move her car and did not. That is impeding law enforcement. That also does not justify being shot. Both things can be true.
Then simply keep your criticism objective based on the current state. What is happening in our country may anger you but it is not Nazi Germany. It is ok to say it is not legal, or I object to the deployment of special forces, ICE, or the National Guard to address immigration issues or civil unrest. But Trump is not deploying death squads.
maybe read about those things and then comment.
I have read more about it than you could ever guess. This is not nazi Germany and nothing you or Halifax can say will convince me otherwise.
keep the blinders on there, guy."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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do you really need me to clarify that this is not nazi germany?Get_Right said:gimmesometruth27 said:
again the gestapo and the einsatzgruppen and the ss are all different things.Get_Right said:HughFreakingDillon said:
first, to gimme's point, the comparison is just. second, at this point, I'm not overly concerned with offending. we're so far past that point it's not even fucking funny.Get_Right said:
The references to the gestapo are highly offensive. Murder is not their primary objective.HughFreakingDillon said:
she was asked to move her car, and once she did, she was murdered. have you seen the other videos of these gestapos in action the last few days? they are literally lawless assholes. They are the proud boys but with authority and immunity. it's beyond fucked up.mace1229 said:
You just read what you want to on here. I have said many times the shooting was not justified.gimmesometruth27 said:
renee was not impeding the federal officers.mace1229 said:
That is correct. They are also federal agents. It is a federal crime and a felony to assault or impede a federal officers. All those people who have thrown objects at them have technically committed federal crimes and could have been arrested by the ice agents. They do have jurisdiction over citizens if you commit a federal crime against them.gimmesometruth27 said:
their name ismace1229 said:
Every time I’ve looked it up I see that ice can detain and arrest a citizen who assaults, impedes and refuses a lawful order of an agent. I don’t know where this notion of they can’t touch a citizen is coming from, but it doesn’t seem to be true.HughFreakingDillon said:
they were illegally trying to enter her vehicle. they have no jurisdiction over US citizens.Get_Right said:I will not comment on the legality of the lethal force used. But I am constantly amazed by how people have total disregard for law enforcement instructions and encounters. Not just ICE. Take it too far and it will not end well for you. And that applies to US citizens as well. If she stopped the SUV would we be talking about lethal force?
immigration and customs enforcement.
defending a murderer is a very bad look here.
i would not want the record here to reflect that i am defending the american gestapo, but by all means, you do you.
So, because I disagree with you that parking your car in the road and obstructing traffic, and not moving after they have asked you to move, is impeding their duty, that means I support the shooting of civilians? You love making some giant leaps and putting words into my mouth. But you do you, keep making stuff up.
The facts are she was part of an anti-ice group. She stopped perpendicular to the flow of traffic for several minutes. Was asked to move her car and did not. That is impeding law enforcement. That also does not justify being shot. Both things can be true.
Then simply keep your criticism objective based on the current state. What is happening in our country may anger you but it is not Nazi Germany. It is ok to say it is not legal, or I object to the deployment of special forces, ICE, or the National Guard to address immigration issues or civil unrest. But Trump is not deploying death squads.
maybe read about those things and then comment.
I have read more about it than you could ever guess. This is not nazi Germany and nothing you or Halifax can say will convince me otherwise.
it is actually 80 years later than nazi germany. and we have a madman guilty of serious crimes running the country that has no guardrails or safeguards any longer. he has immunity from the supreme court.
no, this is not nazi germany. it is worse.
ice is the american gestapo. end of story."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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just curious. what books have you read on the nazis?Get_Right said:gimmesometruth27 said:
again the gestapo and the einsatzgruppen and the ss are all different things.Get_Right said:HughFreakingDillon said:
first, to gimme's point, the comparison is just. second, at this point, I'm not overly concerned with offending. we're so far past that point it's not even fucking funny.Get_Right said:
The references to the gestapo are highly offensive. Murder is not their primary objective.HughFreakingDillon said:
she was asked to move her car, and once she did, she was murdered. have you seen the other videos of these gestapos in action the last few days? they are literally lawless assholes. They are the proud boys but with authority and immunity. it's beyond fucked up.mace1229 said:
You just read what you want to on here. I have said many times the shooting was not justified.gimmesometruth27 said:
renee was not impeding the federal officers.mace1229 said:
That is correct. They are also federal agents. It is a federal crime and a felony to assault or impede a federal officers. All those people who have thrown objects at them have technically committed federal crimes and could have been arrested by the ice agents. They do have jurisdiction over citizens if you commit a federal crime against them.gimmesometruth27 said:
their name ismace1229 said:
Every time I’ve looked it up I see that ice can detain and arrest a citizen who assaults, impedes and refuses a lawful order of an agent. I don’t know where this notion of they can’t touch a citizen is coming from, but it doesn’t seem to be true.HughFreakingDillon said:
they were illegally trying to enter her vehicle. they have no jurisdiction over US citizens.Get_Right said:I will not comment on the legality of the lethal force used. But I am constantly amazed by how people have total disregard for law enforcement instructions and encounters. Not just ICE. Take it too far and it will not end well for you. And that applies to US citizens as well. If she stopped the SUV would we be talking about lethal force?
immigration and customs enforcement.
defending a murderer is a very bad look here.
i would not want the record here to reflect that i am defending the american gestapo, but by all means, you do you.
So, because I disagree with you that parking your car in the road and obstructing traffic, and not moving after they have asked you to move, is impeding their duty, that means I support the shooting of civilians? You love making some giant leaps and putting words into my mouth. But you do you, keep making stuff up.
The facts are she was part of an anti-ice group. She stopped perpendicular to the flow of traffic for several minutes. Was asked to move her car and did not. That is impeding law enforcement. That also does not justify being shot. Both things can be true.
Then simply keep your criticism objective based on the current state. What is happening in our country may anger you but it is not Nazi Germany. It is ok to say it is not legal, or I object to the deployment of special forces, ICE, or the National Guard to address immigration issues or civil unrest. But Trump is not deploying death squads.
maybe read about those things and then comment.
I have read more about it than you could ever guess. This is not nazi Germany and nothing you or Halifax can say will convince me otherwise."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
Feel free to refer to them as nazis or gestapo as that's who they are publicly emulating. Just ask Krispy Gnome....
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