Immigration

mace1229 · January 12

mickeyrat said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Get_Right said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.
“Instructions” are not the law.
I’ll give you an example: law enforcement officers: let me into your house/vehicle! Victim: no. LEO: fuck you, you’re dead.
Good fucking lord.

Instructions are law enforcement procedures to conduct a legal investigation and protect the officers. It is state specific. Follow them or you might get an obstruction of justice charge. Or maybe a disorderly conduct charge. That can lead to a right to detain, search, or even put you in a jail. And that is the law. It is not a decision on the merits of your case. And let's be clear, I do not advocate that level of force, it could have been avoided on both sides. ICE has a bit more discretion if a person cannot be identified. And yes there are some douchebag officers out there that test the limits of search rules, Miranda rights and the use of force. If you find yourself being stopped, detained or in cuffs, provide your ID and keep your mouth shut.

no, know your rights, and calmly inform the ice agent that you know your rights, and that you are not doing anything without consulting your attorney, whose number is stored in your phone contacts. also, record the entire encounter, and tell them that you are recording it.

That is not correct. Your rights to remain silent and an attorney do not mean you don’t have to comply with law enforcement orders. You can receive additional charges, such as resisting arrest, if you don’t comply.

Now, to be clear, I disagree with the shooting and other things that have happened. I’m not justifying that. Just correcting the idea that you don’t have to listen to law enforcement orders or ice. If you impede their duty they can arrest you. If you resist, that can be additional charges.

gemini ai was asked to cite dhs links about detention of us citizens

answer

Below are the direct links and key excerpts from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) regarding the detention and arrest of U.S. citizens.
1. Primary Policy: ICE Directive 16001.2
This is the central governing document that dictates how ICE agents must handle individuals who claim to be U.S. citizens or show signs of being one.
* Official Document: ICE Directive 16001.2: Investigating the Potential U.S. Citizenship of Individuals Encountered by ICE
* Key Policy Point (Section 2): "As a matter of law, ICE cannot assert its civil immigration enforcement authority to arrest and/or detain a U.S. citizen."
* Key Procedure (Section 5): It mandates that agents must "immediately and carefully" investigate any claim of U.S. citizenship and prohibits lodging a detainer against anyone with "probative evidence" of citizenship.
2. DHS Official Position on Enforcement Operations
In response to reports of wrongful arrests, DHS issued formal statements clarifying their operational limits regarding U.S. citizens.
* DHS News Release: DHS Debunks False Reporting: DHS Does NOT Deport U.S. Citizens
* Direct Quote: "ICE does NOT arrest or deport U.S. citizens... our law enforcement is trained to ask a series of well-determined questions to determine status and removability."
* Exception Note: The policy clarifies that U.S. citizens can still be arrested if they "actively obstruct" law enforcement or commit other federal/local crimes unrelated to immigration status.
3. Immigration Detainers Policy
This policy explains the "Probable Cause" requirement needed before ICE can ask local jails to hold someone.
* Official Page: ICE Policy on Immigration Detainers
* Key Policy Point: ICE policy requires a finding of probable cause to believe a subject is a removable alien before a detainer can be issued. Since U.S. citizens are not removable, a detainer issued against one is a violation of this policy.
4. Congressional Records and Summaries
For a more detailed legal breakdown of how these policies are monitored by Congress, you can view the Congressional Research Service (CRS) reports:
* CRS Report: Immigration Arrests in the Interior of the United States: A Primer
* Congressional Hearing Record: Acting Secretary Testimony on U.S. Citizens Detained (Includes ICE's formal answers to Congress regarding the protocol for releasing citizens).
Summary of Your Rights Based on These Policies:
* No Obligation to Carry Papers: Under these policies, U.S. citizens are not required to carry proof of citizenship while traveling within the U.S. interior.
* Right to Investigation: If you are stopped, Directive 16001.2 grants you the right to an "expeditious investigation" of your status if you claim citizenship.
* Immediate Release: Once citizenship is verified, the agency is policy-bound to release the individual immediately.

Exactly what I’ve been saying.

HughFreakingDillon · January 12

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

I will not comment on the legality of the lethal force used. But I am constantly amazed by how people have total disregard for law enforcement instructions and encounters. Not just ICE. Take it too far and it will not end well for you. And that applies to US citizens as well. If she stopped the SUV would we be talking about lethal force?

they were illegally trying to enter her vehicle. they have no jurisdiction over US citizens.

Every time I’ve looked it up I see that ice can detain and arrest a citizen who assaults, impedes and refuses a lawful order of an agent. I don’t know where this notion of they can’t touch a citizen is coming from, but it doesn’t seem to be true.

their name is

immigration and customs enforcement.

That is correct. They are also federal agents. It is a federal crime and a felony to assault or impede a federal officers. All those people who have thrown objects at them have technically committed federal crimes and could have been arrested by the ice agents. They do have jurisdiction over citizens if you commit a federal crime against them.

Correct. If they’ve committed a crime. Nicole committed mo crime before they tried to break into ger vehicle. Then THEY broke the law by stepping in front of her vehicle, creating the situation.

Halifax2TheMax · January 12

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

You guys are proud of this, aren’t you?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DR0d3o5D0JT/?igsh=MThvbTBocGE4NTlwZQ==

Lerxst1992 · January 12

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

I will not comment on the legality of the lethal force used. But I am constantly amazed by how people have total disregard for law enforcement instructions and encounters. Not just ICE. Take it too far and it will not end well for you. And that applies to US citizens as well. If she stopped the SUV would we be talking about lethal force?

they were illegally trying to enter her vehicle. they have no jurisdiction over US citizens.

Every time I’ve looked it up I see that ice can detain and arrest a citizen who assaults, impedes and refuses a lawful order of an agent. I don’t know where this notion of they can’t touch a citizen is coming from, but it doesn’t seem to be true.

their name is

immigration and customs enforcement.

That is correct. They are also federal agents. It is a federal crime and a felony to assault or impede a federal officers. All those people who have thrown objects at them have technically committed federal crimes and could have been arrested by the ice agents. They do have jurisdiction over citizens if you commit a federal crime against them.

Correct. If they’ve committed a crime. Nicole committed mo crime before they tried to break into ger vehicle. Then THEY broke the law by stepping in front of her vehicle, creating the situation.

There is no innocence here on either side. She ignored their demands to exit her vehicle, and in their opinion, she was obstructing what the officers considered an active enforcement area, while being taunted by her wife and others, who believed that men walking around with guns and live ammunition is somehow funny. And for an unfortunate split second, an officer believed she would use her vehicle in a threatening manner. An officer does not have the luxury of time in a situation like that.

I also think how the officer reacted was illegal and hope MN finds a way to indict him. My point what she and her wife did was reckless and not safe.

Tim Simmons · January 12

Are both sides are equally in the wrong?

Gern Blansten · January 12

Should she have stopped the car and let them arrest her? Yes.

Did anything she do warrant a death sentence? No.

mace1229 · January 12

Gern Blansten said:

Should she have stopped the car and let them arrest her? Yes.

Did anything she do warrant a death sentence? No.

This is exactly where I am on this.
You can't say she didn't do anything illegal/wrong. And she didn't deserve to die for it.

Vitalogensia · January 12

Thing with ICE arrest though is you don’t know where you’ll end up. If we knew the possible outcome was getting taken to a specific location for questioning, that’s one thing. People are getting shipped to other countries. Fuck that, I’m not faulting anyone for not complying.

gimmesometruth27 · January 12

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

I will not comment on the legality of the lethal force used. But I am constantly amazed by how people have total disregard for law enforcement instructions and encounters. Not just ICE. Take it too far and it will not end well for you. And that applies to US citizens as well. If she stopped the SUV would we be talking about lethal force?

they were illegally trying to enter her vehicle. they have no jurisdiction over US citizens.

Every time I’ve looked it up I see that ice can detain and arrest a citizen who assaults, impedes and refuses a lawful order of an agent. I don’t know where this notion of they can’t touch a citizen is coming from, but it doesn’t seem to be true.

their name is

immigration and customs enforcement.

That is correct. They are also federal agents. It is a federal crime and a felony to assault or impede a federal officers. All those people who have thrown objects at them have technically committed federal crimes and could have been arrested by the ice agents. They do have jurisdiction over citizens if you commit a federal crime against them.

renee was not impeding the federal officers.

defending a murderer is a very bad look here.

i would not want the record here to reflect that i am defending the american gestapo, but by all means, you do you.

gimmesometruth27 · January 12

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Get_Right said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.
“Instructions” are not the law.
I’ll give you an example: law enforcement officers: let me into your house/vehicle! Victim: no. LEO: fuck you, you’re dead.
Good fucking lord.

Instructions are law enforcement procedures to conduct a legal investigation and protect the officers. It is state specific. Follow them or you might get an obstruction of justice charge. Or maybe a disorderly conduct charge. That can lead to a right to detain, search, or even put you in a jail. And that is the law. It is not a decision on the merits of your case. And let's be clear, I do not advocate that level of force, it could have been avoided on both sides. ICE has a bit more discretion if a person cannot be identified. And yes there are some douchebag officers out there that test the limits of search rules, Miranda rights and the use of force. If you find yourself being stopped, detained or in cuffs, provide your ID and keep your mouth shut.

no, know your rights, and calmly inform the ice agent that you know your rights, and that you are not doing anything without consulting your attorney, whose number is stored in your phone contacts. also, record the entire encounter, and tell them that you are recording it.

That is not correct. Your rights to remain silent and an attorney do not mean you don’t have to comply with law enforcement orders. You can receive additional charges, such as resisting arrest, if you don’t comply.

Now, to be clear, I disagree with the shooting and other things that have happened. I’m not justifying that. Just correcting the idea that you don’t have to listen to law enforcement orders or ice. If you impede their duty they can arrest you. If you resist, that can be additional charges.

dude, you are justifying it by both sidesing it.

gimmesometruth27 · January 12

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Get_Right said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.
“Instructions” are not the law.
I’ll give you an example: law enforcement officers: let me into your house/vehicle! Victim: no. LEO: fuck you, you’re dead.
Good fucking lord.

Instructions are law enforcement procedures to conduct a legal investigation and protect the officers. It is state specific. Follow them or you might get an obstruction of justice charge. Or maybe a disorderly conduct charge. That can lead to a right to detain, search, or even put you in a jail. And that is the law. It is not a decision on the merits of your case. And let's be clear, I do not advocate that level of force, it could have been avoided on both sides. ICE has a bit more discretion if a person cannot be identified. And yes there are some douchebag officers out there that test the limits of search rules, Miranda rights and the use of force. If you find yourself being stopped, detained or in cuffs, provide your ID and keep your mouth shut.

no, know your rights, and calmly inform the ice agent that you know your rights, and that you are not doing anything without consulting your attorney, whose number is stored in your phone contacts. also, record the entire encounter, and tell them that you are recording it.

That is not correct. Your rights to remain silent and an attorney do not mean you don’t have to comply with law enforcement orders. You can receive additional charges, such as resisting arrest, if you don’t comply.

Now, to be clear, I disagree with the shooting and other things that have happened. I’m not justifying that. Just correcting the idea that you don’t have to listen to law enforcement orders or ice. If you impede their duty they can arrest you. If you resist, that can be additional charges.

my rights do not end when i get pulled over. they begin there.

mace1229 · January 12

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

I will not comment on the legality of the lethal force used. But I am constantly amazed by how people have total disregard for law enforcement instructions and encounters. Not just ICE. Take it too far and it will not end well for you. And that applies to US citizens as well. If she stopped the SUV would we be talking about lethal force?

they were illegally trying to enter her vehicle. they have no jurisdiction over US citizens.

Every time I’ve looked it up I see that ice can detain and arrest a citizen who assaults, impedes and refuses a lawful order of an agent. I don’t know where this notion of they can’t touch a citizen is coming from, but it doesn’t seem to be true.

their name is

immigration and customs enforcement.

That is correct. They are also federal agents. It is a federal crime and a felony to assault or impede a federal officers. All those people who have thrown objects at them have technically committed federal crimes and could have been arrested by the ice agents. They do have jurisdiction over citizens if you commit a federal crime against them.

renee was not impeding the federal officers.

defending a murderer is a very bad look here.

i would not want the record here to reflect that i am defending the american gestapo, but by all means, you do you.

You just read what you want to on here. I have said many times the shooting was not justified.
So, because I disagree with you that parking your car in the road and obstructing traffic, and not moving after they have asked you to move, is impeding their duty, that means I support the shooting of civilians? You love making some giant leaps and putting words into my mouth. But you do you, keep making stuff up.

The facts are she was part of an anti-ice group. She stopped perpendicular to the flow of traffic for several minutes. Was asked to move her car and did not. That is impeding law enforcement. That also does not justify being shot. Both things can be true.

HughFreakingDillon · January 12

Gern Blansten said:

Should she have stopped the car and let them arrest her? Yes.

Did anything she do warrant a death sentence? No.

no. they disappear people. I would have driven off too.

gimmesometruth27 · January 13

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

I will not comment on the legality of the lethal force used. But I am constantly amazed by how people have total disregard for law enforcement instructions and encounters. Not just ICE. Take it too far and it will not end well for you. And that applies to US citizens as well. If she stopped the SUV would we be talking about lethal force?

they were illegally trying to enter her vehicle. they have no jurisdiction over US citizens.

Every time I’ve looked it up I see that ice can detain and arrest a citizen who assaults, impedes and refuses a lawful order of an agent. I don’t know where this notion of they can’t touch a citizen is coming from, but it doesn’t seem to be true.

their name is

immigration and customs enforcement.

That is correct. They are also federal agents. It is a federal crime and a felony to assault or impede a federal officers. All those people who have thrown objects at them have technically committed federal crimes and could have been arrested by the ice agents. They do have jurisdiction over citizens if you commit a federal crime against them.

renee was not impeding the federal officers.

defending a murderer is a very bad look here.

i would not want the record here to reflect that i am defending the american gestapo, but by all means, you do you.

You just read what you want to on here. I have said many times the shooting was not justified.
So, because I disagree with you that parking your car in the road and obstructing traffic, and not moving after they have asked you to move, is impeding their duty, that means I support the shooting of civilians? You love making some giant leaps and putting words into my mouth. But you do you, keep making stuff up.

The facts are she was part of an anti-ice group. She stopped perpendicular to the flow of traffic for several minutes. Was asked to move her car and did not. That is impeding law enforcement. That also does not justify being shot. Both things can be true.

at least i am not defending a murderer in multiple posts.

HughFreakingDillon · January 13

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

I will not comment on the legality of the lethal force used. But I am constantly amazed by how people have total disregard for law enforcement instructions and encounters. Not just ICE. Take it too far and it will not end well for you. And that applies to US citizens as well. If she stopped the SUV would we be talking about lethal force?

they were illegally trying to enter her vehicle. they have no jurisdiction over US citizens.

Every time I’ve looked it up I see that ice can detain and arrest a citizen who assaults, impedes and refuses a lawful order of an agent. I don’t know where this notion of they can’t touch a citizen is coming from, but it doesn’t seem to be true.

their name is

immigration and customs enforcement.

That is correct. They are also federal agents. It is a federal crime and a felony to assault or impede a federal officers. All those people who have thrown objects at them have technically committed federal crimes and could have been arrested by the ice agents. They do have jurisdiction over citizens if you commit a federal crime against them.

renee was not impeding the federal officers.

defending a murderer is a very bad look here.

i would not want the record here to reflect that i am defending the american gestapo, but by all means, you do you.

You just read what you want to on here. I have said many times the shooting was not justified.
So, because I disagree with you that parking your car in the road and obstructing traffic, and not moving after they have asked you to move, is impeding their duty, that means I support the shooting of civilians? You love making some giant leaps and putting words into my mouth. But you do you, keep making stuff up.

The facts are she was part of an anti-ice group. She stopped perpendicular to the flow of traffic for several minutes. Was asked to move her car and did not. That is impeding law enforcement. That also does not justify being shot. Both things can be true.

she was asked to move her car, and once she did, she was murdered. have you seen the other videos of these gestapos in action the last few days? they are literally lawless assholes. They are the proud boys but with authority and immunity. it's beyond fucked up.

mace1229 · January 13

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

I will not comment on the legality of the lethal force used. But I am constantly amazed by how people have total disregard for law enforcement instructions and encounters. Not just ICE. Take it too far and it will not end well for you. And that applies to US citizens as well. If she stopped the SUV would we be talking about lethal force?

they were illegally trying to enter her vehicle. they have no jurisdiction over US citizens.

Every time I’ve looked it up I see that ice can detain and arrest a citizen who assaults, impedes and refuses a lawful order of an agent. I don’t know where this notion of they can’t touch a citizen is coming from, but it doesn’t seem to be true.

their name is

immigration and customs enforcement.

That is correct. They are also federal agents. It is a federal crime and a felony to assault or impede a federal officers. All those people who have thrown objects at them have technically committed federal crimes and could have been arrested by the ice agents. They do have jurisdiction over citizens if you commit a federal crime against them.

renee was not impeding the federal officers.

defending a murderer is a very bad look here.

i would not want the record here to reflect that i am defending the american gestapo, but by all means, you do you.

You just read what you want to on here. I have said many times the shooting was not justified.
So, because I disagree with you that parking your car in the road and obstructing traffic, and not moving after they have asked you to move, is impeding their duty, that means I support the shooting of civilians? You love making some giant leaps and putting words into my mouth. But you do you, keep making stuff up.

The facts are she was part of an anti-ice group. She stopped perpendicular to the flow of traffic for several minutes. Was asked to move her car and did not. That is impeding law enforcement. That also does not justify being shot. Both things can be true.

at least i am not defending a murderer in multiple posts.

I haven’t either. Keep making stuff up.

Get_Right · January 13

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

I will not comment on the legality of the lethal force used. But I am constantly amazed by how people have total disregard for law enforcement instructions and encounters. Not just ICE. Take it too far and it will not end well for you. And that applies to US citizens as well. If she stopped the SUV would we be talking about lethal force?

they were illegally trying to enter her vehicle. they have no jurisdiction over US citizens.

Every time I’ve looked it up I see that ice can detain and arrest a citizen who assaults, impedes and refuses a lawful order of an agent. I don’t know where this notion of they can’t touch a citizen is coming from, but it doesn’t seem to be true.

their name is

immigration and customs enforcement.

That is correct. They are also federal agents. It is a federal crime and a felony to assault or impede a federal officers. All those people who have thrown objects at them have technically committed federal crimes and could have been arrested by the ice agents. They do have jurisdiction over citizens if you commit a federal crime against them.

renee was not impeding the federal officers.

defending a murderer is a very bad look here.

i would not want the record here to reflect that i am defending the american gestapo, but by all means, you do you.

You just read what you want to on here. I have said many times the shooting was not justified.
So, because I disagree with you that parking your car in the road and obstructing traffic, and not moving after they have asked you to move, is impeding their duty, that means I support the shooting of civilians? You love making some giant leaps and putting words into my mouth. But you do you, keep making stuff up.

The facts are she was part of an anti-ice group. She stopped perpendicular to the flow of traffic for several minutes. Was asked to move her car and did not. That is impeding law enforcement. That also does not justify being shot. Both things can be true.

she was asked to move her car, and once she did, she was murdered. have you seen the other videos of these gestapos in action the last few days? they are literally lawless assholes. They are the proud boys but with authority and immunity. it's beyond fucked up.

The references to the gestapo are highly offensive. Murder is not their primary objective.

gimmesometruth27 · January 13

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

I will not comment on the legality of the lethal force used. But I am constantly amazed by how people have total disregard for law enforcement instructions and encounters. Not just ICE. Take it too far and it will not end well for you. And that applies to US citizens as well. If she stopped the SUV would we be talking about lethal force?

they were illegally trying to enter her vehicle. they have no jurisdiction over US citizens.

Every time I’ve looked it up I see that ice can detain and arrest a citizen who assaults, impedes and refuses a lawful order of an agent. I don’t know where this notion of they can’t touch a citizen is coming from, but it doesn’t seem to be true.

their name is

immigration and customs enforcement.

That is correct. They are also federal agents. It is a federal crime and a felony to assault or impede a federal officers. All those people who have thrown objects at them have technically committed federal crimes and could have been arrested by the ice agents. They do have jurisdiction over citizens if you commit a federal crime against them.

renee was not impeding the federal officers.

defending a murderer is a very bad look here.

i would not want the record here to reflect that i am defending the american gestapo, but by all means, you do you.

You just read what you want to on here. I have said many times the shooting was not justified.
So, because I disagree with you that parking your car in the road and obstructing traffic, and not moving after they have asked you to move, is impeding their duty, that means I support the shooting of civilians? You love making some giant leaps and putting words into my mouth. But you do you, keep making stuff up.

The facts are she was part of an anti-ice group. She stopped perpendicular to the flow of traffic for several minutes. Was asked to move her car and did not. That is impeding law enforcement. That also does not justify being shot. Both things can be true.

she was asked to move her car, and once she did, she was murdered. have you seen the other videos of these gestapos in action the last few days? they are literally lawless assholes. They are the proud boys but with authority and immunity. it's beyond fucked up.

The references to the gestapo are highly offensive. Murder is not their primary objective.

what exactly is offensive about it?

murder was not the primary objective of the original gestapo either. they were the secret police. they were sent to detain people. you are thinking of the einsatzgruppen.

this is why i say people knowing history is crucial at times like this.

gimmesometruth27 · January 13

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/gestapo#:~:text=The Gestapo's mission was to,a wide variety of behaviors.

from the Holocaust Encyclopedia website.

Who worked for the Gestapo?

The Gestapo was staffed by plainclothes policemen, often called Gestapo agents. Most of these men were professionally trained. They often had worked as detectives or political policemen during the Weimar Republic. For instance, Heinrich Müller had worked for the police in Munich since 1919. He went on to become the head of the Gestapo in 1939. Professionally trained policemen like Müller brought experience, knowledge, and skill to the Gestapo.

But not all Gestapo agents were longtime policemen. Some came to the Gestapo through the SS intelligence service (SD). These SD men were Nazi ideologues with little or no police training. They were hired as part of SS leader Heinrich Himmler’s plan to transform the police system into an ideologically-driven institution.

The Gestapo united the knowledge of professional policemen with the zeal of Nazi ideologues.

What was the Gestapo’s Mission?

The Gestapo’s mission was to “investigate and combat all attempts to threaten the state.” In the Nazi view, threats to the state encompassed a wide variety of behaviors. These behaviors included everything from organized political opposition to individual critical remarks about the Nazis. The government even defined belonging to certain categories or groups of people as threatening. To combat this wide array of potential threats, the Nazi dictatorship gave the Gestapo enormous power.

One way in which the Gestapo carried out its mission was by enforcing new Nazi laws. Some of these laws broadly defined criticism of the regime as a security threat. For example, a December 1934 law made it illegal to criticize the Nazi Party or the Nazi regime. Telling a joke about Hitler could be categorized as a “malicious attack against the state or the Party.” It could then result in an arrest by the Gestapo, trial before a special court, and even imprisonment in a concentration camp.

But the Gestapo went much further than monitoring individual behaviors. They implemented Nazi ideology, which defined entire groups of people as racial or political enemies. Membership in the Communist Party or a Jewish background was enough to make someone a threat to the state and subject to Gestapo attention.

During the 1930s, the vast majority of Aryan Germans did not encounter or even expect to encounter the Gestapo. But the Gestapo was a constant threat for political opponents, religious dissenters (including Jehovah’s Witnesses), homosexuals, and Jews.

gimmesometruth27 · January 13

additionally

How did the Gestapo Work?

The Gestapo fulfilled their mission in a radical way. In Nazi Germany, they used common police investigation methods. However, they did so without legal limits. They pursued denunciations from the public. They carried out arbitrary searches. And they conducted brutal interrogations. In the end, Gestapo agents held the fate of the people they arrested in their hands.

Denunciations

Sometimes, the Gestapo initiated investigations themselves. At other times, the Gestapo received tips from the public. A neighbor, acquaintance, colleague, friend, or family member could inform the Gestapo that a person was behaving illegally or suspiciously. Other police forces and Nazi organizations could also inform the Gestapo of a potential crime or threat.

In Nazi Germany, these types of tips were referred to as denunciations. They were often motivated by ideology, politics, or personal gain. The consequences for those people who were denounced could be severe.

Arbitrary Searches and Surveillance

During the course of an investigation, Gestapo officers interviewed witnesses, searched homes and apartments, and conducted surveillance. In Nazi Germany, there were no limits to these activities. The Gestapo did not need a warrant to read a suspect’s mail, enter a home, or listen to telephone conversations.

Many people feared Gestapo surveillance. In reality, the Gestapo had limited personnel and only used these methods in specific cases. There was no widespread surveillance of the German population. This was why denunciations were so important.

Interrogations

The Gestapo was infamous for the ruthless ways it carried out interrogations. Gestapo officers regularly used intimidation, and psychological and physical torture. It was common for Gestapo officers to beat detainees in custody. Despite the Gestapo’s brutal interrogation methods, they did not often personally kill those whom they arrested. However, some people did die during interrogations or in Gestapo custody.

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