Immigration

gimmesometruth27

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

I will not comment on the legality of the lethal force used. But I am constantly amazed by how people have total disregard for law enforcement instructions and encounters. Not just ICE. Take it too far and it will not end well for you. And that applies to US citizens as well. If she stopped the SUV would we be talking about lethal force? 

they were illegally trying to enter her vehicle. they have no jurisdiction over US citizens. 

Every time I’ve looked it up I see that ice can detain and arrest a citizen who assaults, impedes and refuses a lawful order of an agent. I don’t know where this notion of they can’t touch a citizen is coming from, but it doesn’t seem to be true.

their name is

immigration and customs enforcement.

That is correct. They are also federal agents. It is a federal crime and a felony to assault or impede a federal officers. All those people who have thrown objects at them have technically committed federal crimes and could have been arrested by the ice agents. They do have jurisdiction over citizens if you commit a federal crime against them.

renee was not impeding the federal officers. 

defending a murderer is a very bad look here.

i would not want the record here to reflect that i am defending the american gestapo, but by all means, you do you.

You just read what you want to on here. I have said many times the shooting was not justified.
So, because I disagree with you that parking your car in the road and obstructing traffic, and not moving after they have asked you to move, is impeding their duty, that means I support the shooting of civilians? You love making some giant leaps and putting words into my mouth. But you do you, keep making stuff up.

The facts are she was part of an anti-ice group. She stopped perpendicular to the flow of traffic for several minutes. Was asked to move her car and did not. That is impeding law enforcement.  That also does not justify being shot. Both things can be true.

at least i am not defending a murderer in multiple posts.

I haven’t either. Keep making stuff up.

oh we should not dox the murderer. remember that?

Halifax2TheMax

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

I will not comment on the legality of the lethal force used. But I am constantly amazed by how people have total disregard for law enforcement instructions and encounters. Not just ICE. Take it too far and it will not end well for you. And that applies to US citizens as well. If she stopped the SUV would we be talking about lethal force? 

they were illegally trying to enter her vehicle. they have no jurisdiction over US citizens. 

Every time I’ve looked it up I see that ice can detain and arrest a citizen who assaults, impedes and refuses a lawful order of an agent. I don’t know where this notion of they can’t touch a citizen is coming from, but it doesn’t seem to be true.

their name is

immigration and customs enforcement.

That is correct. They are also federal agents. It is a federal crime and a felony to assault or impede a federal officers. All those people who have thrown objects at them have technically committed federal crimes and could have been arrested by the ice agents. They do have jurisdiction over citizens if you commit a federal crime against them.

renee was not impeding the federal officers. 

defending a murderer is a very bad look here.

i would not want the record here to reflect that i am defending the american gestapo, but by all means, you do you.

You just read what you want to on here. I have said many times the shooting was not justified.
So, because I disagree with you that parking your car in the road and obstructing traffic, and not moving after they have asked you to move, is impeding their duty, that means I support the shooting of civilians? You love making some giant leaps and putting words into my mouth. But you do you, keep making stuff up.

The facts are she was part of an anti-ice group. She stopped perpendicular to the flow of traffic for several minutes. Was asked to move her car and did not. That is impeding law enforcement.  That also does not justify being shot. Both things can be true.

at least i am not defending a murderer in multiple posts.

I haven’t either. Keep making stuff up.

oh we should not dox the murderer. remember that?

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Or that nobody’s sending him flowers? Just $587K of a $800K gofundme and masked, anonymous moving services paid for with our tax dollars.

HughFreakingDillon

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

I will not comment on the legality of the lethal force used. But I am constantly amazed by how people have total disregard for law enforcement instructions and encounters. Not just ICE. Take it too far and it will not end well for you. And that applies to US citizens as well. If she stopped the SUV would we be talking about lethal force? 

they were illegally trying to enter her vehicle. they have no jurisdiction over US citizens. 

Every time I’ve looked it up I see that ice can detain and arrest a citizen who assaults, impedes and refuses a lawful order of an agent. I don’t know where this notion of they can’t touch a citizen is coming from, but it doesn’t seem to be true.

their name is

immigration and customs enforcement.

That is correct. They are also federal agents. It is a federal crime and a felony to assault or impede a federal officers. All those people who have thrown objects at them have technically committed federal crimes and could have been arrested by the ice agents. They do have jurisdiction over citizens if you commit a federal crime against them.

renee was not impeding the federal officers. 

defending a murderer is a very bad look here.

i would not want the record here to reflect that i am defending the american gestapo, but by all means, you do you.

You just read what you want to on here. I have said many times the shooting was not justified.
So, because I disagree with you that parking your car in the road and obstructing traffic, and not moving after they have asked you to move, is impeding their duty, that means I support the shooting of civilians? You love making some giant leaps and putting words into my mouth. But you do you, keep making stuff up.

The facts are she was part of an anti-ice group. She stopped perpendicular to the flow of traffic for several minutes. Was asked to move her car and did not. That is impeding law enforcement.  That also does not justify being shot. Both things can be true.

she was asked to move her car, and once she did, she was murdered. have you seen the other videos of these gestapos in action the last few days? they are literally lawless assholes. They are the proud boys but with authority and immunity. it's beyond fucked up. 

The references to the gestapo are highly offensive. Murder is not their primary objective.

first, to gimme's point, the comparison is just. second, at this point, I'm not overly concerned with offending. we're so far past that point it's not even fucking funny. 

thebuilder

Imagine being a human being and being offended that your Brownshirt squad is being compared to the Gestapo…  take a fucking hint, you’re on the wrong side of history here… no wonder nobody likes you.

Get_Right

The gestapo targeted Jews, committed murders, and sent Jews to concentration camps for them to be murdered. 6 million of them. Gimme a break, the comparison is laughable and insulting. ICE may be highly aggressive and their tactics questionable, but that comparison is way off base. 

Get_Right

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

I will not comment on the legality of the lethal force used. But I am constantly amazed by how people have total disregard for law enforcement instructions and encounters. Not just ICE. Take it too far and it will not end well for you. And that applies to US citizens as well. If she stopped the SUV would we be talking about lethal force? 

they were illegally trying to enter her vehicle. they have no jurisdiction over US citizens. 

Every time I’ve looked it up I see that ice can detain and arrest a citizen who assaults, impedes and refuses a lawful order of an agent. I don’t know where this notion of they can’t touch a citizen is coming from, but it doesn’t seem to be true.

their name is

immigration and customs enforcement.

That is correct. They are also federal agents. It is a federal crime and a felony to assault or impede a federal officers. All those people who have thrown objects at them have technically committed federal crimes and could have been arrested by the ice agents. They do have jurisdiction over citizens if you commit a federal crime against them.

renee was not impeding the federal officers. 

defending a murderer is a very bad look here.

i would not want the record here to reflect that i am defending the american gestapo, but by all means, you do you.

You just read what you want to on here. I have said many times the shooting was not justified.
So, because I disagree with you that parking your car in the road and obstructing traffic, and not moving after they have asked you to move, is impeding their duty, that means I support the shooting of civilians? You love making some giant leaps and putting words into my mouth. But you do you, keep making stuff up.

The facts are she was part of an anti-ice group. She stopped perpendicular to the flow of traffic for several minutes. Was asked to move her car and did not. That is impeding law enforcement.  That also does not justify being shot. Both things can be true.

she was asked to move her car, and once she did, she was murdered. have you seen the other videos of these gestapos in action the last few days? they are literally lawless assholes. They are the proud boys but with authority and immunity. it's beyond fucked up. 

The references to the gestapo are highly offensive. Murder is not their primary objective.

first, to gimme's point, the comparison is just. second, at this point, I'm not overly concerned with offending. we're so far past that point it's not even fucking funny. 

Then simply keep your criticism objective based on the current state. What is happening in our country may anger you but it is not Nazi Germany. It is ok to say it is not legal, or I object to the deployment of special forces, ICE, or the National Guard to address immigration issues or civil unrest. But Trump is not deploying death squads. 

HughFreakingDillon

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

I will not comment on the legality of the lethal force used. But I am constantly amazed by how people have total disregard for law enforcement instructions and encounters. Not just ICE. Take it too far and it will not end well for you. And that applies to US citizens as well. If she stopped the SUV would we be talking about lethal force? 

they were illegally trying to enter her vehicle. they have no jurisdiction over US citizens. 

Every time I’ve looked it up I see that ice can detain and arrest a citizen who assaults, impedes and refuses a lawful order of an agent. I don’t know where this notion of they can’t touch a citizen is coming from, but it doesn’t seem to be true.

their name is

immigration and customs enforcement.

That is correct. They are also federal agents. It is a federal crime and a felony to assault or impede a federal officers. All those people who have thrown objects at them have technically committed federal crimes and could have been arrested by the ice agents. They do have jurisdiction over citizens if you commit a federal crime against them.

renee was not impeding the federal officers. 

defending a murderer is a very bad look here.

i would not want the record here to reflect that i am defending the american gestapo, but by all means, you do you.

You just read what you want to on here. I have said many times the shooting was not justified.
So, because I disagree with you that parking your car in the road and obstructing traffic, and not moving after they have asked you to move, is impeding their duty, that means I support the shooting of civilians? You love making some giant leaps and putting words into my mouth. But you do you, keep making stuff up.

The facts are she was part of an anti-ice group. She stopped perpendicular to the flow of traffic for several minutes. Was asked to move her car and did not. That is impeding law enforcement.  That also does not justify being shot. Both things can be true.

she was asked to move her car, and once she did, she was murdered. have you seen the other videos of these gestapos in action the last few days? they are literally lawless assholes. They are the proud boys but with authority and immunity. it's beyond fucked up. 

The references to the gestapo are highly offensive. Murder is not their primary objective.

first, to gimme's point, the comparison is just. second, at this point, I'm not overly concerned with offending. we're so far past that point it's not even fucking funny. 

Then simply keep your criticism objective based on the current state. What is happening in our country may anger you but it is not Nazi Germany. It is ok to say it is not legal, or I object to the deployment of special forces, ICE, or the National Guard to address immigration issues or civil unrest. But Trump is not deploying death squads. 

😂 I’ll keep my criticism to where I feel is appropriate. Nazis were doing nazi things well before the holocaust started. It started with rounding up others and disappearing them. 

HughFreakingDillon

I mean, they are using neo nazi songs, nazi rallying cries, nazi language, nazi threats by the fucking VP of going door to door. But hey,  “they haven’t yet escalated to where the nazis eventually landed so we can’t call them that until they do” is a pretty absurd take. 

Bentleyspop

HughFreakingDillon said:

I mean, they are using neo nazi songs, nazi rallying cries, nazi language, nazi threats by the fucking VP of going door to door. But hey,  “they haven’t yet escalated to where the nazis eventually landed so we can’t call them that until they do” is a pretty absurd take. 

There are clearly a handful of people on here who always take the side of the LEOs. They might waiver a little in their defense of the LEO actions but in the long run they always stand behind the LEOs. No matter how egregious those actions were.

Comparing the actions of the ICE agents to the gestapo is appropriate.

Get_Right

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

I will not comment on the legality of the lethal force used. But I am constantly amazed by how people have total disregard for law enforcement instructions and encounters. Not just ICE. Take it too far and it will not end well for you. And that applies to US citizens as well. If she stopped the SUV would we be talking about lethal force? 

they were illegally trying to enter her vehicle. they have no jurisdiction over US citizens. 

Every time I’ve looked it up I see that ice can detain and arrest a citizen who assaults, impedes and refuses a lawful order of an agent. I don’t know where this notion of they can’t touch a citizen is coming from, but it doesn’t seem to be true.

their name is

immigration and customs enforcement.

That is correct. They are also federal agents. It is a federal crime and a felony to assault or impede a federal officers. All those people who have thrown objects at them have technically committed federal crimes and could have been arrested by the ice agents. They do have jurisdiction over citizens if you commit a federal crime against them.

renee was not impeding the federal officers. 

defending a murderer is a very bad look here.

i would not want the record here to reflect that i am defending the american gestapo, but by all means, you do you.

You just read what you want to on here. I have said many times the shooting was not justified.
So, because I disagree with you that parking your car in the road and obstructing traffic, and not moving after they have asked you to move, is impeding their duty, that means I support the shooting of civilians? You love making some giant leaps and putting words into my mouth. But you do you, keep making stuff up.

The facts are she was part of an anti-ice group. She stopped perpendicular to the flow of traffic for several minutes. Was asked to move her car and did not. That is impeding law enforcement.  That also does not justify being shot. Both things can be true.

she was asked to move her car, and once she did, she was murdered. have you seen the other videos of these gestapos in action the last few days? they are literally lawless assholes. They are the proud boys but with authority and immunity. it's beyond fucked up. 

The references to the gestapo are highly offensive. Murder is not their primary objective.

first, to gimme's point, the comparison is just. second, at this point, I'm not overly concerned with offending. we're so far past that point it's not even fucking funny. 

Then simply keep your criticism objective based on the current state. What is happening in our country may anger you but it is not Nazi Germany. It is ok to say it is not legal, or I object to the deployment of special forces, ICE, or the National Guard to address immigration issues or civil unrest. But Trump is not deploying death squads. 

😂 I’ll keep my criticism to where I feel is appropriate. Nazis were doing nazi things well before the holocaust started. It started with rounding up others and disappearing them. 

"Disappearing" under the current regime is very, very different. That is the point. Deportation or incarceration is not murder. Not saying I support it, but the comparison is way off IMHO. I am sure some scholars will write about it though.

HughFreakingDillon

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

I will not comment on the legality of the lethal force used. But I am constantly amazed by how people have total disregard for law enforcement instructions and encounters. Not just ICE. Take it too far and it will not end well for you. And that applies to US citizens as well. If she stopped the SUV would we be talking about lethal force? 

they were illegally trying to enter her vehicle. they have no jurisdiction over US citizens. 

Every time I’ve looked it up I see that ice can detain and arrest a citizen who assaults, impedes and refuses a lawful order of an agent. I don’t know where this notion of they can’t touch a citizen is coming from, but it doesn’t seem to be true.

their name is

immigration and customs enforcement.

That is correct. They are also federal agents. It is a federal crime and a felony to assault or impede a federal officers. All those people who have thrown objects at them have technically committed federal crimes and could have been arrested by the ice agents. They do have jurisdiction over citizens if you commit a federal crime against them.

renee was not impeding the federal officers. 

defending a murderer is a very bad look here.

i would not want the record here to reflect that i am defending the american gestapo, but by all means, you do you.

You just read what you want to on here. I have said many times the shooting was not justified.
So, because I disagree with you that parking your car in the road and obstructing traffic, and not moving after they have asked you to move, is impeding their duty, that means I support the shooting of civilians? You love making some giant leaps and putting words into my mouth. But you do you, keep making stuff up.

The facts are she was part of an anti-ice group. She stopped perpendicular to the flow of traffic for several minutes. Was asked to move her car and did not. That is impeding law enforcement.  That also does not justify being shot. Both things can be true.

she was asked to move her car, and once she did, she was murdered. have you seen the other videos of these gestapos in action the last few days? they are literally lawless assholes. They are the proud boys but with authority and immunity. it's beyond fucked up. 

The references to the gestapo are highly offensive. Murder is not their primary objective.

first, to gimme's point, the comparison is just. second, at this point, I'm not overly concerned with offending. we're so far past that point it's not even fucking funny. 

Then simply keep your criticism objective based on the current state. What is happening in our country may anger you but it is not Nazi Germany. It is ok to say it is not legal, or I object to the deployment of special forces, ICE, or the National Guard to address immigration issues or civil unrest. But Trump is not deploying death squads. 

😂 I’ll keep my criticism to where I feel is appropriate. Nazis were doing nazi things well before the holocaust started. It started with rounding up others and disappearing them. 

"Disappearing" under the current regime is very, very different. That is the point. Deportation or incarceration is not murder. Not saying I support it, but the comparison is way off IMHO. I am sure some scholars will write about it though.

They didn’t start extermination until much later. In the first several years they were incarceration camps. 

“The camps operated under inhumane conditions, characterized by forced labor, severe beatings, malnutrition, and rampant disease, with death being a constant threat. While the early concentration camps primarily targeted political dissidents, the scope broadened significantly in the years leading up to World War II, particularly after the Kristallnacht pogrom in 1938, which heralded large-scale imprisonment of Jews. The concentration camps laid the groundwork for the more lethal extermination camps that emerged during the war, where the horrific "final solution" led to the mass murder of six million Jews and millions of others.”

Get_Right

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

I will not comment on the legality of the lethal force used. But I am constantly amazed by how people have total disregard for law enforcement instructions and encounters. Not just ICE. Take it too far and it will not end well for you. And that applies to US citizens as well. If she stopped the SUV would we be talking about lethal force? 

they were illegally trying to enter her vehicle. they have no jurisdiction over US citizens. 

Every time I’ve looked it up I see that ice can detain and arrest a citizen who assaults, impedes and refuses a lawful order of an agent. I don’t know where this notion of they can’t touch a citizen is coming from, but it doesn’t seem to be true.

their name is

immigration and customs enforcement.

That is correct. They are also federal agents. It is a federal crime and a felony to assault or impede a federal officers. All those people who have thrown objects at them have technically committed federal crimes and could have been arrested by the ice agents. They do have jurisdiction over citizens if you commit a federal crime against them.

renee was not impeding the federal officers. 

defending a murderer is a very bad look here.

i would not want the record here to reflect that i am defending the american gestapo, but by all means, you do you.

You just read what you want to on here. I have said many times the shooting was not justified.
So, because I disagree with you that parking your car in the road and obstructing traffic, and not moving after they have asked you to move, is impeding their duty, that means I support the shooting of civilians? You love making some giant leaps and putting words into my mouth. But you do you, keep making stuff up.

The facts are she was part of an anti-ice group. She stopped perpendicular to the flow of traffic for several minutes. Was asked to move her car and did not. That is impeding law enforcement.  That also does not justify being shot. Both things can be true.

she was asked to move her car, and once she did, she was murdered. have you seen the other videos of these gestapos in action the last few days? they are literally lawless assholes. They are the proud boys but with authority and immunity. it's beyond fucked up. 

The references to the gestapo are highly offensive. Murder is not their primary objective.

first, to gimme's point, the comparison is just. second, at this point, I'm not overly concerned with offending. we're so far past that point it's not even fucking funny. 

Then simply keep your criticism objective based on the current state. What is happening in our country may anger you but it is not Nazi Germany. It is ok to say it is not legal, or I object to the deployment of special forces, ICE, or the National Guard to address immigration issues or civil unrest. But Trump is not deploying death squads. 

😂 I’ll keep my criticism to where I feel is appropriate. Nazis were doing nazi things well before the holocaust started. It started with rounding up others and disappearing them. 

"Disappearing" under the current regime is very, very different. That is the point. Deportation or incarceration is not murder. Not saying I support it, but the comparison is way off IMHO. I am sure some scholars will write about it though.

They didn’t start extermination until much later. In the first several years they were incarceration camps. 

“The camps operated under inhumane conditions, characterized by forced labor, severe beatings, malnutrition, and rampant disease, with death being a constant threat. While the early concentration camps primarily targeted political dissidents, the scope broadened significantly in the years leading up to World War II, particularly after the Kristallnacht pogrom in 1938, which heralded large-scale imprisonment of Jews. The concentration camps laid the groundwork for the more lethal extermination camps that emerged during the war, where the horrific "final solution" led to the mass murder of six million Jews and millions of others.”

I will not keep arguing the point, but ICE enforcement is targeting multiple ethnic groups, including specific individuals, that may have a criminal background, and that may not have a legal right to be in the United States. That was not the mission of the gestapo. Apples and oranges. You can hate all you want on the treatment of immigrants and the tactics deployed by ICE, but it is not the same. Not by a longshot. 

mace1229

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

I will not comment on the legality of the lethal force used. But I am constantly amazed by how people have total disregard for law enforcement instructions and encounters. Not just ICE. Take it too far and it will not end well for you. And that applies to US citizens as well. If she stopped the SUV would we be talking about lethal force? 

they were illegally trying to enter her vehicle. they have no jurisdiction over US citizens. 

Every time I’ve looked it up I see that ice can detain and arrest a citizen who assaults, impedes and refuses a lawful order of an agent. I don’t know where this notion of they can’t touch a citizen is coming from, but it doesn’t seem to be true.

their name is

immigration and customs enforcement.

That is correct. They are also federal agents. It is a federal crime and a felony to assault or impede a federal officers. All those people who have thrown objects at them have technically committed federal crimes and could have been arrested by the ice agents. They do have jurisdiction over citizens if you commit a federal crime against them.

renee was not impeding the federal officers. 

defending a murderer is a very bad look here.

i would not want the record here to reflect that i am defending the american gestapo, but by all means, you do you.

You just read what you want to on here. I have said many times the shooting was not justified.
So, because I disagree with you that parking your car in the road and obstructing traffic, and not moving after they have asked you to move, is impeding their duty, that means I support the shooting of civilians? You love making some giant leaps and putting words into my mouth. But you do you, keep making stuff up.

The facts are she was part of an anti-ice group. She stopped perpendicular to the flow of traffic for several minutes. Was asked to move her car and did not. That is impeding law enforcement.  That also does not justify being shot. Both things can be true.

at least i am not defending a murderer in multiple posts.

I haven’t either. Keep making stuff up.

oh we should not dox the murderer. remember that?

Not until it was confirmed, remember that? I haven't said anything about it since.

Halifax2TheMax

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Some folks might benefit from a visit to the Holocaust Museum in DC. If it hasn’t been closed yet.

but ICE enforcement is targeting multiple ethnic groups, including specific individuals, that may have a criminal background, and that may not have a legal right to be in the United States.

You forgot citizens. US citizens based on nothing more than skin color. And let us know what percentage of deportatees/detainees have/had criminal records, eh?

Hook, line and sinker. Enjoy the Nazi regime.

HughFreakingDillon

Yeah, totally normal stuff. Probably a paid agitator/bot. 

** Re-Share **

Good morning,

My name is Brandon Siguenza, and I am a US citizen from Minneapolis. Yesterday, while doing legal observation, ICE stopped their cars to harass my friend and me. They sprayed pepper spray into the vent of our vehicle. We held our hands in the air and told them we were not obstructing, that the car was in park and they were free to drive forward and away. There was no active immigration raid. They returned to their cars, and drove forward a bit, then decided to stop again. They surrounded us, smashed the windows of our car, opened the doors (they were unlocked), ripped my friend and I out of the car and arrested us on charges of obstruction.

I was put in an unmarked SUV, separated from my friend. As I was put in the back seat an ICE agent tore the whistle off my neck and said “I’ll be taking this, I might need it later.” My phone was knocked out of my hand while being arrested. As we drove away I asked the driver and the passenger if they wouldn’t mind buckling my seatbelt, as they were driving erratically. I was ignored. I asked them if I could have the handcuffs loosened, as I was losing circulation, and was told no. At one point the passenger realized his own driver's license was in the backseat next to mine, and tried to surreptitiously grab it without me seeing it.

We were taken to the Whipple federal building, where I saw dozens of brown people being processed in an unheated garage. I was frisked, told of my charges, and saw buses and vans being prepped. I later learned that these were being filled with detainees and driven to the airport for deportation. As we were led in, I noticed that the building was very busy. I got the impression that one of the 2 agents bringing me around was being trained. At multiple points throughout my stay, government agents were unable to open doors, not sure where they were meant to be going, and overall confused and overwhelmed. They couldn’t figure out how to use the building phones, or complained about a lack of cell service preventing them from checking the internet or making calls.

The people in the cells were extremely scared. We heard people screaming "let me out!", crying, wailing and terrified screams. There were cells with as many as 8 people. I have no way of knowing how long they have been there, if they were allowed any contact with the outside world, or if they were being brought food or water. Most people were staring at the ground with almost no energy. I was not allowed to talk to anyone imprisoned. I distinctly remember seeing a desperate woman. She was staring at the ground with her head in her hands crying, hopeless, while her friend or family member sat on a bathroom seat observed by 3 men.

My friend and I were put in an area for "USCs," which we eventually learned meant US citizens, separated by gender. We were imprisoned for 8 hours, during which my friend was never allowed a phone call. I was allowed to call my wife and tell her where I was. During my interview with Special Agent William and Special Agent Garcia, they asked me to empty my pockets. When I pulled out gloves, Agent William said those were meant to be taken when I was processed, and complained about having to fill out the form again. He frisked me once more, where he found glass in my pocket from when our car window was shattered. He filled out the form listing my personal items again, but put the wrong date. I was read my rights, I pleaded the fifth and was led back to my cell.

Food, water, and bathroom breaks were extremely difficult to acquire. I would ask over the intercom provided in the cell for a bathroom break, be told someone was on their way, then ask again 20 minutes later, be told someone was on their way, wait another 20 minutes, etc. Eventually they either turned off the intercom or it stopped working, because no one would respond. I could get water and bathroom breaks by pounding on the glass when someone happened to walk by and beg them directly. Hours would go by without anyone checking on us. I am vegan and the only food they offered were turkey sandwiches, fruit snacks with gelatin, and granola bars with honey. I eventually ate a granola bar out of hunger.

I was in the cell alone for between 1 and 2 hours, then another man was put into my cell, whose shirt was ripped open from his arrest, and an injured toe, who was carried aggressively into an unmarked car during his arrest. After about 4-5 hours, another man was brought in who had a cut on his head from his arrest. He told me he was tackled by 4 or 5 agents during his arrest. At no point was he offered medical assistance.

Later I was told that a lawyer was here to see me, and I was able to speak with him in a visitation room. The special agent told me that the door could not be closed all the way, so it was cracked during my interaction with my lawyer. I got the impression that they were not used to having lawyers present, and were trying to follow procedure as best they could. I asked an agent if the other detainees were allowed lawyers and was not answered.

At one point, 3 men from the department of Homeland Security Investigations brought me into a cell. They insinuated that they could help me out. After inquiring several times what exactly they meant they finally told me that they could offer undocumented family members of mine legal protection if I have any (I don’t), or money, in exchange for giving them the names of protest organizers, or undocumented persons. I was shocked, and told them no.

Finally, after hours of detention, I was told to follow an agent. At no point was I told whether or not I was being charged, or where I was going, but I was led out of the building. I asked if I could use a phone to call my wife to pick me up, and was told I could not. After pleading for several minutes eventually Special Agent William let me use his phone to call my wife. As I was escorted off the property by government agents, I was told to turn right. I was escorted to the protest area, where 5 minutes later, tear gas was deployed and I was struck by a paint ball gun. I was not protesting, I was simply being released without charges after an 8 hour detention. I was on the other side of the street, as instructed by the agents that released me and the agents shouting orders over a bullhorn. A passerby who was tear gassed was panicking and having an asthma attack, so I helped her find a medic to get her an inhaler. I used a stranger's phone to co-ordinate pickup, and was picked up by my wife.

During my detention I knew that I was being released. I knew that as a citizen of the United States I have legal protection. The hundred or so other people being detained had no such protection. At this time I don’t need your help, it is the families that are being separated, abused, terrorized, harassed and killed that need your help. If this is happening to me, an American citizen born in the United States, then what is happening to the people in here that have no one calling lawyers on their behalf? That have no constitutional rights to due process? What is happening to the people that they will never be released to see their families, go to their jobs, or walk through their city ever again?

Please take care of yourselves, your family, and your community. I am safe and healthy, if you feel compelled to help, please offer your help to the Immigrant Defense Network at https://immigrantdefensenetwork.org/. If you know someone detained by ICE, call or text CAIR-MN at 612-206-3360 for 24/7 legal intake.

Get_Right

Halifax2TheMax said:

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Some folks might benefit from a visit to the Holocaust Museum in DC. If it hasn’t been closed yet.

but ICE enforcement is targeting multiple ethnic groups, including specific individuals, that may have a criminal background, and that may not have a legal right to be in the United States.

You forgot citizens. US citizens based on nothing more than skin color. And let us know what percentage of deportatees/detainees have/had criminal records, eh?

Hook, line and sinker. Enjoy the Nazi regime.

It does not matter what the percentage is or what your skin color is. If you are here illegally, then you might have a problem with ICE and potentially get deported. Yes they might come looking for you. It might not be a pleasant experience. Ever spent a night in US jail? It is not built for comfort. Keep comparing to the Nazis. Maybe when ICE starts killing all the immigrants on sight that argument will make sense. It just makes you sound like an uniformed radical. 

HughFreakingDillon

This woman is a scholar on the subject and agrees with the Nazi comparisons: 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DTc8Mj3jFZx/?igsh=MWRudGh3Y3FpMjU0MA==

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Get_Right said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Some folks might benefit from a visit to the Holocaust Museum in DC. If it hasn’t been closed yet.

but ICE enforcement is targeting multiple ethnic groups, including specific individuals, that may have a criminal background, and that may not have a legal right to be in the United States.

You forgot citizens. US citizens based on nothing more than skin color. And let us know what percentage of deportatees/detainees have/had criminal records, eh?

Hook, line and sinker. Enjoy the Nazi regime.

It does not matter what the percentage is or what your skin color is. If you are here illegally, then you might have a problem with ICE and potentially get deported. Yes they might come looking for you. It might not be a pleasant experience. Ever spent a night in US jail? It is not built for comfort. Keep comparing to the Nazis. Maybe when ICE starts killing all the immigrants on sight that argument will make sense. It just makes you sound like an uniformed radical. 

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

And it makes you sound like you’d rat your neighbors out. Does the Constitution apply to immigrants, legal or otherwise?

More offended that ICE is being compared to the Gestapo, because their behaviour hasn’t reached the level of gas chambers, yet, than the trampling of civil liberties of US fucking citizens. Unreal.

They “can” and they “do”.

Tim Simmons

Yo. I highly recommend this article. this shit is WILD

You’ve Heard About Who ICE Is Recruiting. The Truth Is Far Worse. I’m the Proof.

(theres a captia box to click before the article comes up)

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I will not comment on the legality of the lethal force used. But I am constantly amazed by how people have total disregard for law enforcement instructions and encounters. Not just ICE. Take it too far and it will not end well for you. And that applies to US citizens as well. If she stopped the SUV would we be talking about lethal force? 

they were illegally trying to enter her vehicle. they have no jurisdiction over US citizens. 

Every time I’ve looked it up I see that ice can detain and arrest a citizen who assaults, impedes and refuses a lawful order of an agent. I don’t know where this notion of they can’t touch a citizen is coming from, but it doesn’t seem to be true.

their name is

immigration and customs enforcement.

That is correct. They are also federal agents. It is a federal crime and a felony to assault or impede a federal officers. All those people who have thrown objects at them have technically committed federal crimes and could have been arrested by the ice agents. They do have jurisdiction over citizens if you commit a federal crime against them.

renee was not impeding the federal officers. 

defending a murderer is a very bad look here.

i would not want the record here to reflect that i am defending the american gestapo, but by all means, you do you.

You just read what you want to on here. I have said many times the shooting was not justified.
So, because I disagree with you that parking your car in the road and obstructing traffic, and not moving after they have asked you to move, is impeding their duty, that means I support the shooting of civilians? You love making some giant leaps and putting words into my mouth. But you do you, keep making stuff up.

The facts are she was part of an anti-ice group. She stopped perpendicular to the flow of traffic for several minutes. Was asked to move her car and did not. That is impeding law enforcement.  That also does not justify being shot. Both things can be true.

she was asked to move her car, and once she did, she was murdered. have you seen the other videos of these gestapos in action the last few days? they are literally lawless assholes. They are the proud boys but with authority and immunity. it's beyond fucked up. 

The references to the gestapo are highly offensive. Murder is not their primary objective.

first, to gimme's point, the comparison is just. second, at this point, I'm not overly concerned with offending. we're so far past that point it's not even fucking funny. 

Then simply keep your criticism objective based on the current state. What is happening in our country may anger you but it is not Nazi Germany. It is ok to say it is not legal, or I object to the deployment of special forces, ICE, or the National Guard to address immigration issues or civil unrest. But Trump is not deploying death squads. 

😂 I’ll keep my criticism to where I feel is appropriate. Nazis were doing nazi things well before the holocaust started. It started with rounding up others and disappearing them. 

"Disappearing" under the current regime is very, very different. That is the point. Deportation or incarceration is not murder. Not saying I support it, but the comparison is way off IMHO. I am sure some scholars will write about it though.

They didn’t start extermination until much later. In the first several years they were incarceration camps. 

“The camps operated under inhumane conditions, characterized by forced labor, severe beatings, malnutrition, and rampant disease, with death being a constant threat. While the early concentration camps primarily targeted political dissidents, the scope broadened significantly in the years leading up to World War II, particularly after the Kristallnacht pogrom in 1938, which heralded large-scale imprisonment of Jews. The concentration camps laid the groundwork for the more lethal extermination camps that emerged during the war, where the horrific "final solution" led to the mass murder of six million Jews and millions of others.”

I will not keep arguing the point, but ICE enforcement is targeting multiple ethnic groups, including specific individuals, that may have a criminal background, and that may not have a legal right to be in the United States. That was not the mission of the gestapo. Apples and oranges. You can hate all you want on the treatment of immigrants and the tactics deployed by ICE, but it is not the same. Not by a longshot. 

😂 they are targeting any non white they think might not be a US citizen, who, in the president’s and (hitler’s) words, are poisoning the blood of the country, often detaining US citizens indiscriminately. And beating them before releasing them. 

But let’s nitpick the details while the US falls into a fascist state, cuz that’s the big problem. I’m calling them too evil. Heavens to betsy.