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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,588
    On NPR this morning host Steve Inskeep interviews Joe Mitchell about Charlie Kirk.  Inskeep says that Kirk was responsible for "polarizing remarks" to which Mitchell replies "what polarizing remarks?".

    Usually the host has a list of retorts back for such a loaded question but he yielded. I listen to a lot of NPR interviews and never heard this before.  I believe Inskeep realized the gravity of the situation and let Mitchell have the final word.

    I found the small interview insightful.  Has me full of a lot of questions now though.

    https://www.npr.org/2025/09/11/nx-s1-5537176/how-charlie-kirk-impacted-a-younger-generation-of-conservatives
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,877
    Tim Simmons said:
    I don’t tune in to watch either but from what I have seen over the years, MSNBC is not the lefts version of Fox News. 
    Yeah it’s pretty bad IMO but always thought that. I do enjoy morning joe though. Only thing I purposely tune into (radio anyhow)
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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,907
    Chris Hayes is the only guy worth his salt on that network. Thoughtful, genuine discourse enhancing stuff. I’ll catch his A block on my Twitter/Bluesky feed occasionally and it’s usually very good. 

    But for breaking news, it’s generally pretty normal stuff. I can’t say the same for Fox. Hell, sometimes Fox doesn’t even carry the breaking news if it doesn’t serve the narrative of the network and party. 
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,448
    brianlux said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    brianlux said:
    Where’s the flag at half mast for her?
    May be an image of 1 person and text that says In Memory of MELISSA HORTMAN Former Minnesota House Speaker 1970-2025 -2025 1970 Taken far too soon in a targeted attack A voice for justice clean energy and and equality We honor her legacy leadership and courage RestInPower

    Trump did lower the flags for her. 

    But then said ge wasn’t going to waste his time calling Walz. 

    As far as I know, the flag at half-mast was only in Minnesota by order issued by Governor Walz.

    HughFreakingDillon said:
    seanwon said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    and now we wait (oh, about 4 minutes or so) for the right to politicize it when they've always maintained "now is not the time to politicize gun violence". 
    Might as well, you clowns already have......


    Typical knee-jerk reaction by T while no one yet has been identified as the shooter.  But why wait when the finger pointing can start straight off?  SMH.
    I knew he couldn't be a leader...not surprised


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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,448
    Tim Simmons said:
    I don’t tune in to watch either but from what I have seen over the years, MSNBC is not the lefts version of Fox News. 
    It's not even close. Bias is clear but they don't make shit up
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,233
    Everywhere I look there is an undercurrent of people revelling in his death - in every thread on social media there are laughing emoji, comments about him getting what he had coming, snide remarks and it goes on and on. 

    In the immediate aftermath of the death of a young man, guilty of nothing but debating things openly to all who wanted to engage, a father and husband and these reactions are out there in plain view and numerous, well that speaks volumes of the kind of world we all live in. 

    Pathetic. 
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,448
    pdalowsky said:
    Everywhere I look there is an undercurrent of people revelling in his death - in every thread on social media there are laughing emoji, comments about him getting what he had coming, snide remarks and it goes on and on. 

    In the immediate aftermath of the death of a young man, guilty of nothing but debating things openly to all who wanted to engage, a father and husband and these reactions are out there in plain view and numerous, well that speaks volumes of the kind of world we all live in. 

    Pathetic. 
    Just like the deaths in Minnesota. The ones that trump wouldn't even call Walz over which was unbelievably pathetic.

    We don't even know the shooter yet and all of you people are acting like it was a crazy leftist. Maybe it was...maybe it wasn't.

    Crooks was clearly a magat and he tried to take out trump. 
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    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

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    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
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  • DE4173
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    pdalowsky said:
    Everywhere I look there is an undercurrent of people revelling in his death - in every thread on social media there are laughing emoji, comments about him getting what he had coming, snide remarks and it goes on and on. 

    In the immediate aftermath of the death of a young man, guilty of nothing but debating things openly to all who wanted to engage, a father and husband and these reactions are out there in plain view and numerous, well that speaks volumes of the kind of world we all live in. 

    Pathetic. 
    Also, the whataboutism here isn't surprising and so on brand.
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,448
    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/11/us/charlie-kirk-shooting-manhunt-fbi.html?unlocked_article_code=1.lE8.Fm2u.TlHxgPiRyBxo&smid=url-share

    Gift article...

    It's pathetic that our FBI director tweeted that the suspect was captured prior to even having the suspect. Further proof of how fucked up this pick to head the FBI is.
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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,448
    DE4173 said:
    pdalowsky said:
    Everywhere I look there is an undercurrent of people revelling in his death - in every thread on social media there are laughing emoji, comments about him getting what he had coming, snide remarks and it goes on and on. 

    In the immediate aftermath of the death of a young man, guilty of nothing but debating things openly to all who wanted to engage, a father and husband and these reactions are out there in plain view and numerous, well that speaks volumes of the kind of world we all live in. 

    Pathetic. 
    Also, the whataboutism here isn't surprising and so on brand.
    In what way? 

    What "whataboutism" are you referring to?
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • njhaley1
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    Gern Blansten said:
    DE4173 said:
    pdalowsky said:
    Everywhere I look there is an undercurrent of people revelling in his death - in every thread on social media there are laughing emoji, comments about him getting what he had coming, snide remarks and it goes on and on. 

    In the immediate aftermath of the death of a young man, guilty of nothing but debating things openly to all who wanted to engage, a father and husband and these reactions are out there in plain view and numerous, well that speaks volumes of the kind of world we all live in. 

    Pathetic. 
    Also, the whataboutism here isn't surprising and so on brand.
    In what way? 

    What "whataboutism" are you referring to?
    "The only ones people are trying to assassinate are Republicans" 

    "what about the politicians from Minnesota? Pelosi? Shapiro?"

    "the whataboutism here isn't surprising." 
  • HughFreakingDillon
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    Tim Simmons said:
    I don’t tune in to watch either but from what I have seen over the years, MSNBC is not the lefts version of Fox News. 
    They’re not on exactly the opposite sides of the bias spectrum, but they both rage-farm. 
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  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,233
    In the immediate aftermath of the senseless death of a young man like Charlie there is seemingly a strong need from both sides to blame the other, or to compare it to another tragedy. 

    But it is the mocking and obvious satisfaction exhibited from those who didn't agree with him that makes me sick. 
  • josevolution
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    I haven’t seen one poster here celebrating what happened to Charlie not one! It’s horrible that this happened full stop no matter who the victim was! 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    Gern Blansten said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    I don’t tune in to watch either but from what I have seen over the years, MSNBC is not the lefts version of Fox News. 
    It's not even close. Bias is clear but they don't make shit up
    “Left’s version of” is not “exactly the same”. 
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  • josevolution
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    pdalowsky said:
    Everywhere I look there is an undercurrent of people revelling in his death - in every thread on social media there are laughing emoji, comments about him getting what he had coming, snide remarks and it goes on and on. 

    In the immediate aftermath of the death of a young man, guilty of nothing but debating things openly to all who wanted to engage, a father and husband and these reactions are out there in plain view and numerous, well that speaks volumes of the kind of world we all live in. 

    Pathetic. 
    More like what this country has become! 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    pdalowsky said:
    Everywhere I look there is an undercurrent of people revelling in his death - in every thread on social media there are laughing emoji, comments about him getting what he had coming, snide remarks and it goes on and on. 

    In the immediate aftermath of the death of a young man, guilty of nothing but debating things openly to all who wanted to engage, a father and husband and these reactions are out there in plain view and numerous, well that speaks volumes of the kind of world we all live in. 

    Pathetic. 
    Social media is not where you want to look in times like these. The worst of the worst. 

    I wanna know where all this outrage was for Melissa Hartman. 
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  • njhaley1
    njhaley1 Valley of the Sun Posts: 891
    edited 1:24PM
    pdalowsky said:
    In the immediate aftermath of the senseless death of a young man like Charlie there is seemingly a strong need from both sides to blame the other, or to compare it to another tragedy. 

    But it is the mocking and obvious satisfaction exhibited from those who didn't agree with him that makes me sick. 
    It's terrible what happened - as a father of two young children, my kids are getting extra attention this morning before they head to another uncertain day of school. 

    But at the same time, do you not see the irony of Charlie, on record, dismissing school shootings as the necessary price we pay for our second amendment? Given where he was speaking yesterday?

    I'm neither mocking nor satisfied, nor do I think he was in any way deserving of what happened to him yesterday, but the lord sure does work in mysterious ways. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    What I’ve found interesting in the coverage of this horrific event is that none of the interviews with people who have spoken to Kirk’s history and impact of the conservative movement have mentioned his deliberate spreading of misinformation and disinformation, Covid/vaccines, his inflammatory rhetoric, critical race theory/white replacement theory or steadfast, no quarter on the 2A, even in light of Sandy Hook. Let’s not pretend he was an honest broker of the “free exchange of ideas” or that he had an interest in finding common ground. And he certainly wasn’t “loved and respected by all” as CCOOTWH tweeted.

    Still didn’t deserve what happened to him and violence is never the solution to a difference of opinions.
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  • Tim Simmons
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    I don’t tune in to watch either but from what I have seen over the years, MSNBC is not the lefts version of Fox News. 
    They’re not on exactly the opposite sides of the bias spectrum, but they both rage-farm. 
    Well, yes. 

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