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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,220
    MayDay10 said:
    I have queued up overnight once, and it was a tense atmosphere, and I definitely felt eyeballs and conspiracy the entire time.  I felt like I was an unwanted intruder.  I was in front of others, and everyone all around me knew one another.  On the way in, someone (a woman who had an aggressive conflict with someone else in the AM) behind me ran in front of me, grabbed a better spot.  I was next to her and she ended up crowbarring like 2-3 others in there and I had to stand sideways most of the night not having any room.  


    I would rather the 10c trashed the entire GA system. Adds way too much tension for too many people.  It is clear there is a group who manipulate the system to snag the best seats for every single show.  At Wrigley '18 there was a nasty element too with people groping women and all that. 
    Someone gonna come in here and say this story didn't happen exactly this way so no worries 
  • on2legson2legs Posts: 15,670
    pjl44 said:
    MayDay10 said:
    I have queued up overnight once, and it was a tense atmosphere, and I definitely felt eyeballs and conspiracy the entire time.  I felt like I was an unwanted intruder.  I was in front of others, and everyone all around me knew one another.  On the way in, someone (a woman who had an aggressive conflict with someone else in the AM) behind me ran in front of me, grabbed a better spot.  I was next to her and she ended up crowbarring like 2-3 others in there and I had to stand sideways most of the night not having any room.  


    I would rather the 10c trashed the entire GA system. Adds way too much tension for too many people.  It is clear there is a group who manipulate the system to snag the best seats for every single show.  At Wrigley '18 there was a nasty element too with people groping women and all that. 
    Someone gonna come in here and say this story didn't happen exactly this way so no worries 
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  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,828
    MayDay10 said:
    I have queued up overnight once, and it was a tense atmosphere, and I definitely felt eyeballs and conspiracy the entire time.  I felt like I was an unwanted intruder.  I was in front of others, and everyone all around me knew one another.  On the way in, someone (a woman who had an aggressive conflict with someone else in the AM) behind me ran in front of me, grabbed a better spot.  I was next to her and she ended up crowbarring like 2-3 others in there and I had to stand sideways most of the night not having any room.  


    I would rather the 10c trashed the entire GA system. Adds way too much tension for too many people.  It is clear there is a group who manipulate the system to snag the best seats for every single show.  At Wrigley '18 there was a nasty element too with people groping women and all that. 
    And saying they deserved the rail after the rain delay.. showed pics from their phones of where they were and tried to force people to move. luckily everyone held their spot and didn't give in. 
    I wasn't at the rail for that, but there was a really shitty feeling in the air that night for a PJ show.  Maybe people were drinking a ton during the delay?  I don't know.  Just lots of meatheads who looked like they should be at a Limp Bizkit '00 concert instead or something.  Aggressive, bumping, groping women, etc.  
  • SpokenSpoken Posts: 1,496
    MayDay10 said:
    I have queued up overnight once, and it was a tense atmosphere, and I definitely felt eyeballs and conspiracy the entire time.  I felt like I was an unwanted intruder.  I was in front of others, and everyone all around me knew one another.  On the way in, someone (a woman who had an aggressive conflict with someone else in the AM) behind me ran in front of me, grabbed a better spot.  I was next to her and she ended up crowbarring like 2-3 others in there and I had to stand sideways most of the night not having any room.  


    I would rather the 10c trashed the entire GA system. Adds way too much tension for too many people.  It is clear there is a group who manipulate the system to snag the best seats for every single show.  At Wrigley '18 there was a nasty element too with people groping women and all that. 
    True, I've seen quite a few nasty line people over the years, sometimes screaming.
    Entitled PJ fans, thinking they have a connection with Eddie, lame.
  • drakeheuer14drakeheuer14 Posts: 4,582
    MayDay10 said:
    I have queued up overnight once, and it was a tense atmosphere, and I definitely felt eyeballs and conspiracy the entire time.  I felt like I was an unwanted intruder.  I was in front of others, and everyone all around me knew one another.  On the way in, someone (a woman who had an aggressive conflict with someone else in the AM) behind me ran in front of me, grabbed a better spot.  I was next to her and she ended up crowbarring like 2-3 others in there and I had to stand sideways most of the night not having any room.  


    I would rather the 10c trashed the entire GA system. Adds way too much tension for too many people.  It is clear there is a group who manipulate the system to snag the best seats for every single show.  At Wrigley '18 there was a nasty element too with people groping women and all that. 
    But at the same time it’s really only tension for 15-50 people. That’s such a small amount to wipe GA out for imo
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  • bbiggsbbiggs Posts: 6,962
    Such odd behavior for 50 somethings to engage in, but to each their own.  I mean, you can still get Eddie's sweat flung at you in the second row, along with a cool selfie, and avoid all the school age bickering.
  • GlowGirlGlowGirl New York, NY Posts: 11,720
    pjl44 said:
    MayDay10 said:
    I have queued up overnight once, and it was a tense atmosphere, and I definitely felt eyeballs and conspiracy the entire time.  I felt like I was an unwanted intruder.  I was in front of others, and everyone all around me knew one another.  On the way in, someone (a woman who had an aggressive conflict with someone else in the AM) behind me ran in front of me, grabbed a better spot.  I was next to her and she ended up crowbarring like 2-3 others in there and I had to stand sideways most of the night not having any room.  


    I would rather the 10c trashed the entire GA system. Adds way too much tension for too many people.  It is clear there is a group who manipulate the system to snag the best seats for every single show.  At Wrigley '18 there was a nasty element too with people groping women and all that. 
    Someone gonna come in here and say this story didn't happen exactly this way so no worries 
    No one is saying that bad things never happen. There are always bad people mixed in with the good. Things do happen. But people are throwing blanket blame on all the front GA people when it is not like that at all. For MSG last year the guy next to me in reserved seats blew pot smoke in my face for most of the show and kept dancing in my personal space. It was a way worse experience than I ever had in GA, but I would never say we should get rid of reserved seats and make the whole venue GA so I could have moved seats if needed. Nothing is perfect but people here are dwelling on a few bad experiences as opposed to the majority of amazing experiences. 
  • darwinstheorydarwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 7,038
    pjl44 said:
    MayDay10 said:
    I have queued up overnight once, and it was a tense atmosphere, and I definitely felt eyeballs and conspiracy the entire time.  I felt like I was an unwanted intruder.  I was in front of others, and everyone all around me knew one another.  On the way in, someone (a woman who had an aggressive conflict with someone else in the AM) behind me ran in front of me, grabbed a better spot.  I was next to her and she ended up crowbarring like 2-3 others in there and I had to stand sideways most of the night not having any room.  


    I would rather the 10c trashed the entire GA system. Adds way too much tension for too many people.  It is clear there is a group who manipulate the system to snag the best seats for every single show.  At Wrigley '18 there was a nasty element too with people groping women and all that. 
    Someone gonna come in here and say this story didn't happen exactly this way so no worries 
    You win comment of the day! 🤣🤣
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  • darwinstheorydarwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 7,038
    bbiggs said:
    Such odd behavior for 50 somethings to engage in, but to each their own.  I mean, you can still get Eddie's sweat flung at you in the second row, along with a cool selfie, and avoid all the school age bickering.
    Yes, but you can't say you were first in line. There is a major difference there for some.
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  • SpokenSpoken Posts: 1,496
    It's definately an addiction, needing to be front row, center, 6 shows in a row...
    I've seen a lot of pushing and weirdness.
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,220
    GlowGirl said:
    pjl44 said:
    MayDay10 said:
    I have queued up overnight once, and it was a tense atmosphere, and I definitely felt eyeballs and conspiracy the entire time.  I felt like I was an unwanted intruder.  I was in front of others, and everyone all around me knew one another.  On the way in, someone (a woman who had an aggressive conflict with someone else in the AM) behind me ran in front of me, grabbed a better spot.  I was next to her and she ended up crowbarring like 2-3 others in there and I had to stand sideways most of the night not having any room.  


    I would rather the 10c trashed the entire GA system. Adds way too much tension for too many people.  It is clear there is a group who manipulate the system to snag the best seats for every single show.  At Wrigley '18 there was a nasty element too with people groping women and all that. 
    Someone gonna come in here and say this story didn't happen exactly this way so no worries 
    No one is saying that bad things never happen. There are always bad people mixed in with the good. Things do happen. But people are throwing blanket blame on all the front GA people when it is not like that at all. For MSG last year the guy next to me in reserved seats blew pot smoke in my face for most of the show and kept dancing in my personal space. It was a way worse experience than I ever had in GA, but I would never say we should get rid of reserved seats and make the whole venue GA so I could have moved seats if needed. Nothing is perfect but people here are dwelling on a few bad experiences as opposed to the majority of amazing experiences. 
    This is a persistent problem that the 10C has addressed more than once. A sticky in the Given To Fly forum still exists. It doesn't require 100% participation to be an issue.

    The dancing joint guy non-sequitir and insistence of amazing experiences backs up my other point.
  • jsilsbyjsilsby Posts: 37
    Walked into arena at 8:20. i can see doing the rail once, but every show? You people need to see a therapist.
  • SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 Posts: 26,859
    MayDay10 said:
    I have queued up overnight once, and it was a tense atmosphere, and I definitely felt eyeballs and conspiracy the entire time.  I felt like I was an unwanted intruder.  I was in front of others, and everyone all around me knew one another.  On the way in, someone (a woman who had an aggressive conflict with someone else in the AM) behind me ran in front of me, grabbed a better spot.  I was next to her and she ended up crowbarring like 2-3 others in there and I had to stand sideways most of the night not having any room.  


    I would rather the 10c trashed the entire GA system. Adds way too much tension for too many people.  It is clear there is a group who manipulate the system to snag the best seats for every single show.  At Wrigley '18 there was a nasty element too with people groping women and all that. 
    I likely know the group you are referring to.  It's embarrassing and disgusting.  Then they deny it ever happened too! 
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  • just_onejust_one Lisbon Posts: 2,244
    Spoken said:
    It's definately an addiction, needing to be front row, center, 6 shows in a row...
    I've seen a lot of pushing and weirdness.
    i´ve seen PJ 18 times and Ed 4 times , not even a single time i was front row and it was amazing every single time...
  • HailHailVitalogyHailHailVitalogy Posts: 5,882
    With the exception of @lmckenney24 and @HailHailVitalogy everyone I've encountered in the GA lineups has been extremely friendly and welcoming.
    Or you can be the guy that disappears for an hour 🤣 
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  • GlowGirlGlowGirl New York, NY Posts: 11,720
    pjl44 said:
    GlowGirl said:
    pjl44 said:
    MayDay10 said:
    I have queued up overnight once, and it was a tense atmosphere, and I definitely felt eyeballs and conspiracy the entire time.  I felt like I was an unwanted intruder.  I was in front of others, and everyone all around me knew one another.  On the way in, someone (a woman who had an aggressive conflict with someone else in the AM) behind me ran in front of me, grabbed a better spot.  I was next to her and she ended up crowbarring like 2-3 others in there and I had to stand sideways most of the night not having any room.  


    I would rather the 10c trashed the entire GA system. Adds way too much tension for too many people.  It is clear there is a group who manipulate the system to snag the best seats for every single show.  At Wrigley '18 there was a nasty element too with people groping women and all that. 
    Someone gonna come in here and say this story didn't happen exactly this way so no worries 
    No one is saying that bad things never happen. There are always bad people mixed in with the good. Things do happen. But people are throwing blanket blame on all the front GA people when it is not like that at all. For MSG last year the guy next to me in reserved seats blew pot smoke in my face for most of the show and kept dancing in my personal space. It was a way worse experience than I ever had in GA, but I would never say we should get rid of reserved seats and make the whole venue GA so I could have moved seats if needed. Nothing is perfect but people here are dwelling on a few bad experiences as opposed to the majority of amazing experiences. 
    This is a persistent problem that the 10C has addressed more than once. A sticky in the Given To Fly forum still exists. It doesn't require 100% participation to be an issue.

    The dancing joint guy non-sequitir and insistence of amazing experiences backs up my other point.
    My point was that bad experiences happen in the pit, they happen in reserved, they can happen anywhere inside and outside of the venue. But so can incredible experiences. 
  • SpokenSpoken Posts: 1,496
    edited May 12
    GlowGirl said:
    pjl44 said:
    GlowGirl said:
    pjl44 said:
    MayDay10 said:
    I have queued up overnight once, and it was a tense atmosphere, and I definitely felt eyeballs and conspiracy the entire time.  I felt like I was an unwanted intruder.  I was in front of others, and everyone all around me knew one another.  On the way in, someone (a woman who had an aggressive conflict with someone else in the AM) behind me ran in front of me, grabbed a better spot.  I was next to her and she ended up crowbarring like 2-3 others in there and I had to stand sideways most of the night not having any room.  


    I would rather the 10c trashed the entire GA system. Adds way too much tension for too many people.  It is clear there is a group who manipulate the system to snag the best seats for every single show.  At Wrigley '18 there was a nasty element too with people groping women and all that. 
    Someone gonna come in here and say this story didn't happen exactly this way so no worries 
    No one is saying that bad things never happen. There are always bad people mixed in with the good. Things do happen. But people are throwing blanket blame on all the front GA people when it is not like that at all. For MSG last year the guy next to me in reserved seats blew pot smoke in my face for most of the show and kept dancing in my personal space. It was a way worse experience than I ever had in GA, but I would never say we should get rid of reserved seats and make the whole venue GA so I could have moved seats if needed. Nothing is perfect but people here are dwelling on a few bad experiences as opposed to the majority of amazing experiences. 
    This is a persistent problem that the 10C has addressed more than once. A sticky in the Given To Fly forum still exists. It doesn't require 100% participation to be an issue.

    The dancing joint guy non-sequitir and insistence of amazing experiences backs up my other point.
    My point was that bad experiences happen in the pit, they happen in reserved, they can happen anywhere inside and outside of the venue. But so can incredible experiences. 
    Yeah, last year in Philly, everyone was super drunk around us. All nice, but they all had to pee every 5 minutes, walking in and out of asiles...
  • ally12ally12 Ottawa, ON, CAN Posts: 308
    edited May 12
    For back to back shows like this, is it a common understanding that after N1 is done everyone who is doing GA for N2 line up at the venue gate. Everyone lines up and say wait 30 minutes for the crowds to dissipate.  After 30 mins or so, everyone who is in the GA will migrate to the camp out spot, and that’s where people will take turns to grab their gear and settle in for the night. 

    Once the group migrates over to the camp out spot, whoever arrives  just lines up  behind the last camper.

    Or is N2 handled differently and for N2 everyone goes to the camp out spot right away?  
    Post edited by ally12 on
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  • darwinstheorydarwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 7,038
    ally12 said:
    For back to back shows like this, is it a common understanding that after N1 is done everyone who is doing GA for N2 line up at the venue gate. Everyone lines up and say wait 30 minutes for the crowds to dissipate.  After 30 mins or so, everyone who is in the GA will migrate to the camp out spot, and that’s where people will take turns to grab their gear and settle in for the night. 

    Once the group migrates over to the camp out spot, whoever arrives  just lines up  behind the last camper.

    Or is handled differently and for N2 goes to the camp out spot right away?  
    First I've heard of it since todays (last nights) debacle. If John hadn't gotten GA/tried for rail in the past, how could he have ever known? They should have let him stay in the #1 spot. That's the downfall of a group of people having their own unwritten rules.
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  • PJNBPJNB Posts: 13,843
    ally12 said:
    For back to back shows like this, is it a common understanding that after N1 is done everyone who is doing GA for N2 line up at the venue gate. Everyone lines up and say wait 30 minutes for the crowds to dissipate.  After 30 mins or so, everyone who is in the GA will migrate to the camp out spot, and that’s where people will take turns to grab their gear and settle in for the night. 

    Once the group migrates over to the camp out spot, whoever arrives  just lines up  behind the last camper.

    Or is handled differently and for N2 goes to the camp out spot right away?  
    First I've heard of it since today’s (last nights) debacle. If John hadn't gotten GA/tried for rail in the past, how could he have ever known? They should have let him stay in the #1 spot. That's the downfall of a group of people having their own unwritten rules.
    The unwritten rules are less about fairness and more about them protecting their chances of being at the front of the line vs other groups. The other groups are much smaller in size too and don’t have Pearl Jams security backing them like this group does. There is no beating them and that’s why so many people join them and put up with the bullying and antics since they benefit from the above as well. 
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,220
    GlowGirl said:
    pjl44 said:
    GlowGirl said:
    pjl44 said:
    MayDay10 said:
    I have queued up overnight once, and it was a tense atmosphere, and I definitely felt eyeballs and conspiracy the entire time.  I felt like I was an unwanted intruder.  I was in front of others, and everyone all around me knew one another.  On the way in, someone (a woman who had an aggressive conflict with someone else in the AM) behind me ran in front of me, grabbed a better spot.  I was next to her and she ended up crowbarring like 2-3 others in there and I had to stand sideways most of the night not having any room.  


    I would rather the 10c trashed the entire GA system. Adds way too much tension for too many people.  It is clear there is a group who manipulate the system to snag the best seats for every single show.  At Wrigley '18 there was a nasty element too with people groping women and all that. 
    Someone gonna come in here and say this story didn't happen exactly this way so no worries 
    No one is saying that bad things never happen. There are always bad people mixed in with the good. Things do happen. But people are throwing blanket blame on all the front GA people when it is not like that at all. For MSG last year the guy next to me in reserved seats blew pot smoke in my face for most of the show and kept dancing in my personal space. It was a way worse experience than I ever had in GA, but I would never say we should get rid of reserved seats and make the whole venue GA so I could have moved seats if needed. Nothing is perfect but people here are dwelling on a few bad experiences as opposed to the majority of amazing experiences. 
    This is a persistent problem that the 10C has addressed more than once. A sticky in the Given To Fly forum still exists. It doesn't require 100% participation to be an issue.

    The dancing joint guy non-sequitir and insistence of amazing experiences backs up my other point.
    My point was that bad experiences happen in the pit, they happen in reserved, they can happen anywhere inside and outside of the venue. But so can incredible experiences. 
    ^This is what I'm saying. It's bonkers that these folks see these GA line stories as on par with someone dancing too close to you during the show and just a thing that happens at concerts.
  • lexicondevillexicondevil Posts: 2,182
    SO MUCH drama that could easily be fixed with a random wristband lottery, just like Springsteen does at his shows. Last Springsteen show I went to, I just showed up 15 minutes before they passed out the wristbands. Came back later when they announced the start number. It was calm and organized. I didn't get lucky, but was grateful for that system.
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  • ally12 said:
    For back to back shows like this, is it a common understanding that after N1 is done everyone who is doing GA for N2 line up at the venue gate. Everyone lines up and say wait 30 minutes for the crowds to dissipate.  After 30 mins or so, everyone who is in the GA will migrate to the camp out spot, and that’s where people will take turns to grab their gear and settle in for the night. 

    Once the group migrates over to the camp out spot, whoever arrives  just lines up  behind the last camper.

    Or is handled differently and for N2 goes to the camp out spot right away?  
    First I've heard of it since today’s (last nights) debacle. If John hadn't gotten GA/tried for rail in the past, how could he have ever known? They should have let him stay in the #1 spot. That's the downfall of a group of people having their own unwritten rules.
    I agree with this statement. Not everyone can get to multiple shows a tour, let alone GA every single time. I’ve been lucky enough to go to several shows the last few years but have only managed to get GA twice this year. Last time was 2016 Wrigley. There’s no chance I’m gonna camp out overnight to be a few rows ahead of just walking in when the doors open. But maybe for John or others, this is the only show they’re going to and want to make it special by getting up front. One bad experience out of 50+ shows doesn’t matter as much to some as when you’ll be back in a couple days for the next one. One bad experience for those who only make it to one show sucks.
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    demetrios said:
    on2legs said:
    What did we miss? No Facebook over here. 


    No FAKEbook and can't read that on my phone.
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,220
    I just looked and can't find a sticky with the Ten Club asking us to respect personal space in reserved seating 
  • Go AnimalGo Animal Posts: 7,034
    PJNB said:
    ally12 said:
    For back to back shows like this, is it a common understanding that after N1 is done everyone who is doing GA for N2 line up at the venue gate. Everyone lines up and say wait 30 minutes for the crowds to dissipate.  After 30 mins or so, everyone who is in the GA will migrate to the camp out spot, and that’s where people will take turns to grab their gear and settle in for the night. 

    Once the group migrates over to the camp out spot, whoever arrives  just lines up  behind the last camper.

    Or is handled differently and for N2 goes to the camp out spot right away?  
    First I've heard of it since today’s (last nights) debacle. If John hadn't gotten GA/tried for rail in the past, how could he have ever known? They should have let him stay in the #1 spot. That's the downfall of a group of people having their own unwritten rules.
    The unwritten rules are less about fairness and more about them protecting their chances of being at the front of the line vs other groups. The other groups are much smaller in size too and don’t have Pearl Jams security backing them like this group does. There is no beating them and that’s why so many people join them and put up with the bullying and antics since they benefit from the above as well. 
    Correct. A fellow member pointed out earlier in this thread that PJ security would rather deal with familiar faces (the devil you know), rather than people they don't "know" know (the devil you don't).

    Which you could reasonably make a case for.

    BUT... security is already high at these shows, and the chances of someone acting a fool at the front is the same.

    Regardless of the fact if it's coming from a rail gang regular, or a newbie.
    PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 & 05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01 & 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles (Inglewood) I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18 & 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16 & 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29 & 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03 & 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27 & 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II

    EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival

    Song Wishlist: Alone, Let Me Sleep, Brother, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08        ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
  • dgpj92dgpj92 Posts: 152
    PJNB said:
    ally12 said:
    For back to back shows like this, is it a common understanding that after N1 is done everyone who is doing GA for N2 line up at the venue gate. Everyone lines up and say wait 30 minutes for the crowds to dissipate.  After 30 mins or so, everyone who is in the GA will migrate to the camp out spot, and that’s where people will take turns to grab their gear and settle in for the night. 

    Once the group migrates over to the camp out spot, whoever arrives  just lines up  behind the last camper.

    Or is handled differently and for N2 goes to the camp out spot right away?  
    First I've heard of it since today’s (last nights) debacle. If John hadn't gotten GA/tried for rail in the past, how could he have ever known? They should have let him stay in the #1 spot. That's the downfall of a group of people having their own unwritten rules.
    The unwritten rules are less about fairness and more about them protecting their chances of being at the front of the line vs other groups. The other groups are much smaller in size too and don’t have Pearl Jams security backing them like this group does. There is no beating them and that’s why so many people join them and put up with the bullying and antics since they benefit from the above as well. 

  • ally12ally12 Ottawa, ON, CAN Posts: 308
    PJNB said:
    ally12 said:
    For back to back shows like this, is it a common understanding that after N1 is done everyone who is doing GA for N2 line up at the venue gate. Everyone lines up and say wait 30 minutes for the crowds to dissipate.  After 30 mins or so, everyone who is in the GA will migrate to the camp out spot, and that’s where people will take turns to grab their gear and settle in for the night. 

    Once the group migrates over to the camp out spot, whoever arrives  just lines up  behind the last camper.

    Or is handled differently and for N2 goes to the camp out spot right away?  
    First I've heard of it since today’s (last nights) debacle. If John hadn't gotten GA/tried for rail in the past, how could he have ever known? They should have let him stay in the #1 spot. That's the downfall of a group of people having their own unwritten rules.
    The unwritten rules are less about fairness and more about them protecting their chances of being at the front of the line vs other groups. The other groups are much smaller in size too and don’t have Pearl Jams security backing them like this group does. There is no beating them and that’s why so many people join them and put up with the bullying and antics since they benefit from the above as well. 
     Interesting take, maybe it’s too much work to have someone from PJ to stand at the venue doors post show to oversee N2 line up. At least this way, it is fair game and people can decide if staying for the N1 encores vs lining up for N2. 

    I get the favouritism and such but at the end of the day we are all paying 10c members and deserve an enjoyable  experience. 
    2005: Ottawa / 2011: Ottawa / 2016: Ottawa / 2022: Ottawa / 2022:Quebec City /  2024: Vancouver / 2024: Vancouver / 2024: New York City
  • Go AnimalGo Animal Posts: 7,034
    SO MUCH drama that could easily be fixed with a random wristband lottery, just like Springsteen does at his shows. Last Springsteen show I went to, I just showed up 15 minutes before they passed out the wristbands. Came back later when they announced the start number. It was calm and organized. I didn't get lucky, but was grateful for that system.
    ☝️
    PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 & 05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01 & 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles (Inglewood) I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18 & 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16 & 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29 & 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03 & 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27 & 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II

    EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival

    Song Wishlist: Alone, Let Me Sleep, Brother, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08        ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
  • iOnlyownMymindiOnlyownMymind Posts: 2,924
    The camping on the sidewalks shouldn’t be allowed.  The band works to help the homeless situations and then allows for their own version for queuing for shows. Only difference is they’ll be people working on their laptops next to their tent on the sidewalk. 
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