I suppose there are several reasons the Dems are doing so poorly in that poll (assuming WaPo isn't trying to make them worse than the man to whom they've bent their knee). I don't think Bernie and AOC have much to do with it.
Fatigue on the Dems not seeming to understand the gravity of what's happening. (i.e. need more AOCs and fewer Schumers)
--Related: "We're not Trump" is not inspiring.
Israel. If the Dems had condemned what's going on there, they'd have probably picked up some hard left "not voting for genocide" votes.
The right-wing misinformation machine and the death of journalism. Just because Trump's administration is a steaming pile of crap doesn't mean all the BS about wokeness, "they've gotten so far left," and even the older-school "Dems are not good at the fiscal stuff" doesn't still resonate.
--This is probably where "crazy AOC and Bernie" play in. It's not that they're crazy. They pretty much want to make America great again (i.e., pre-Reagan when regular people could buy a house and raise a family without shareholder capitalism destroying it).
They don't have very inspiring personalities right now. And those that are (Walz's coach/dad thing, AOC's actual care about regular people, or Bernie's anger and energy) scare the party either because they're uniparty complicit or because they really believe that GOP lite is the only way to go (even after it didn't work in 2016).
It sucks because the Dems are probably done as a key player nationally. For all the right-wing whining about mainstream media, the robber barons that actually control the narrative are just too much to overcome. Meanwhile they're picking the pockets of their base and convincing them that their real problem is transgendered athletes.
Bernie AOC (great Rap band!) believe in govt mandated healthcare, housing and free college, etc. That will lose national elections and key senate races to “free market” every time. As far as the unfortunate war in Your third bullet point, go grab some you tube videos of trumps campaign comments about Israel. He ran very hard pro Israel. Before the current war, that’d be a million miles from where I was politically. Point being, he had strong language which should have drawn out the hate Israel crowd, but he had the best popular vote total by a republican in a long time. Before this election, it was predicted Rs would never win the popular vote again.
I suppose there are several reasons the Dems are doing so poorly in that poll (assuming WaPo isn't trying to make them worse than the man to whom they've bent their knee). I don't think Bernie and AOC have much to do with it.
Fatigue on the Dems not seeming to understand the gravity of what's happening. (i.e. need more AOCs and fewer Schumers)
--Related: "We're not Trump" is not inspiring.
Israel. If the Dems had condemned what's going on there, they'd have probably picked up some hard left "not voting for genocide" votes.
The right-wing misinformation machine and the death of journalism. Just because Trump's administration is a steaming pile of crap doesn't mean all the BS about wokeness, "they've gotten so far left," and even the older-school "Dems are not good at the fiscal stuff" doesn't still resonate.
--This is probably where "crazy AOC and Bernie" play in. It's not that they're crazy. They pretty much want to make America great again (i.e., pre-Reagan when regular people could buy a house and raise a family without shareholder capitalism destroying it).
They don't have very inspiring personalities right now. And those that are (Walz's coach/dad thing, AOC's actual care about regular people, or Bernie's anger and energy) scare the party either because they're uniparty complicit or because they really believe that GOP lite is the only way to go (even after it didn't work in 2016).
It sucks because the Dems are probably done as a key player nationally. For all the right-wing whining about mainstream media, the robber barons that actually control the narrative are just too much to overcome. Meanwhile they're picking the pockets of their base and convincing them that their real problem is transgendered athletes.
Bernie AOC (great Rap band!) believe in govt mandated healthcare, housing and free college, etc. That will lose national elections and key senate races to “free market” every time. As far as the unfortunate war in Your third bullet point, go grab some you tube videos of trumps campaign comments about Israel. He ran very hard pro Israel. Before the current war, that’d be a million miles from where I was politically. Point being, he had strong language which should have drawn out the hate Israel crowd, but he had the best popular vote total by a republican in a long time. Before this election, it was predicted Rs would never win the popular vote again.
Where was that predicted?
It was posited a lot around here and in the public. Seemed to ring pretty true to me based on another Trump nomination, but here we are.
I suppose there are several reasons the Dems are doing so poorly in that poll (assuming WaPo isn't trying to make them worse than the man to whom they've bent their knee). I don't think Bernie and AOC have much to do with it.
Fatigue on the Dems not seeming to understand the gravity of what's happening. (i.e. need more AOCs and fewer Schumers)
--Related: "We're not Trump" is not inspiring.
Israel. If the Dems had condemned what's going on there, they'd have probably picked up some hard left "not voting for genocide" votes.
The right-wing misinformation machine and the death of journalism. Just because Trump's administration is a steaming pile of crap doesn't mean all the BS about wokeness, "they've gotten so far left," and even the older-school "Dems are not good at the fiscal stuff" doesn't still resonate.
--This is probably where "crazy AOC and Bernie" play in. It's not that they're crazy. They pretty much want to make America great again (i.e., pre-Reagan when regular people could buy a house and raise a family without shareholder capitalism destroying it).
They don't have very inspiring personalities right now. And those that are (Walz's coach/dad thing, AOC's actual care about regular people, or Bernie's anger and energy) scare the party either because they're uniparty complicit or because they really believe that GOP lite is the only way to go (even after it didn't work in 2016).
It sucks because the Dems are probably done as a key player nationally. For all the right-wing whining about mainstream media, the robber barons that actually control the narrative are just too much to overcome. Meanwhile they're picking the pockets of their base and convincing them that their real problem is transgendered athletes.
Bernie AOC (great Rap band!) believe in govt mandated healthcare, housing and free college, etc. That will lose national elections and key senate races to “free market” every time. As far as the unfortunate war in Your third bullet point, go grab some you tube videos of trumps campaign comments about Israel. He ran very hard pro Israel. Before the current war, that’d be a million miles from where I was politically. Point being, he had strong language which should have drawn out the hate Israel crowd, but he had the best popular vote total by a republican in a long time. Before this election, it was predicted Rs would never win the popular vote again.
Where was that predicted?
It was posited a lot around here and in the public. Seemed to ring pretty true to me based on another Trump nomination, but here we are.
I don’t recall anyone claiming repubs would never win another general vote total. That’s crazy talk. They are doing everything to ensure that they do, though.
Bernie AOC (great Rap band!) believe in govt mandated healthcare, housing and free college, etc. That will lose national elections and key senate races to “free market” every time.
huh? These are wildly popular issues that no Democrat has run on since 2020.
If anything what Bernie and AOC are speaking to is what Americans really want. Something the current Dems (and certainly not republicans) want to discuss. Wether its attainable financially or not is besides the point. They are popular positions among Americans. They are appealing to the majority. That is something neither party has done as a whole and led us to the deep divisions we have.
but I get it their position on Israel is disqualifying. But again, their position is NOT where Democrats as a whole are. Leaderships position is in line with yours.
Bernie AOC (great Rap band!) believe in govt mandated healthcare, housing and free college, etc. That will lose national elections and key senate races to “free market” every time.
huh? These are wildly popular issues that no Democrat has run on since 2020.
If anything what Bernie and AOC are speaking to is what Americans really want. Something the current Dems (and certainly not republicans) want to discuss. Wether its attainable financially or not is besides the point. They are popular positions among Americans. They are appealing to the majority. That is something neither party has done as a whole and led us to the deep divisions we have.
but I get it their position on Israel is disqualifying. But again, their position is NOT where Democrats as a whole are. Leaderships position is in line with yours.
Those remind me of the ACA polls where voters love the individual policies but hate Obamacare. When it’s getting cooler, and the leaves are falling, they just ain’t voting for it in purple and red states. I I I’d love to be…alive when that changes but I doubt it does before Stone hangs up his stage guitar for the last time
The democrats are becoming untouchable in about 27 states. If AOC ran on these policies, I’d be surprised if she reached 200 electoral votes. All a republican would need to say is blah blah blah free market, or blah blah blah socialism, and we’d get a landslide. There’s a reason that crap works in the fall, If these policies were popular, the political landscape would look much different in this country.
I suppose there are several reasons the Dems are doing so poorly in that poll (assuming WaPo isn't trying to make them worse than the man to whom they've bent their knee). I don't think Bernie and AOC have much to do with it.
Fatigue on the Dems not seeming to understand the gravity of what's happening. (i.e. need more AOCs and fewer Schumers)
--Related: "We're not Trump" is not inspiring.
Israel. If the Dems had condemned what's going on there, they'd have probably picked up some hard left "not voting for genocide" votes.
The right-wing misinformation machine and the death of journalism. Just because Trump's administration is a steaming pile of crap doesn't mean all the BS about wokeness, "they've gotten so far left," and even the older-school "Dems are not good at the fiscal stuff" doesn't still resonate.
--This is probably where "crazy AOC and Bernie" play in. It's not that they're crazy. They pretty much want to make America great again (i.e., pre-Reagan when regular people could buy a house and raise a family without shareholder capitalism destroying it).
They don't have very inspiring personalities right now. And those that are (Walz's coach/dad thing, AOC's actual care about regular people, or Bernie's anger and energy) scare the party either because they're uniparty complicit or because they really believe that GOP lite is the only way to go (even after it didn't work in 2016).
It sucks because the Dems are probably done as a key player nationally. For all the right-wing whining about mainstream media, the robber barons that actually control the narrative are just too much to overcome. Meanwhile they're picking the pockets of their base and convincing them that their real problem is transgendered athletes.
Bernie AOC (great Rap band!) believe in govt mandated healthcare, housing and free college, etc. That will lose national elections and key senate races to “free market” every time. As far as the unfortunate war in Your third bullet point, go grab some you tube videos of trumps campaign comments about Israel. He ran very hard pro Israel. Before the current war, that’d be a million miles from where I was politically. Point being, he had strong language which should have drawn out the hate Israel crowd, but he had the best popular vote total by a republican in a long time. Before this election, it was predicted Rs would never win the popular vote again.
Where was that predicted?
It was posited a lot around here and in the public. Seemed to ring pretty true to me based on another Trump nomination, but here we are.
I don’t recall anyone claiming repubs would never win another general vote total. That’s crazy talk. They are doing everything to ensure that they do, though.
Let’s not get caught up in the word never. Can we assume it means foreseeable future, as in before the time Mike plays his last immortality solos to 20000 fans?
I suppose there are several reasons the Dems are doing so poorly in that poll (assuming WaPo isn't trying to make them worse than the man to whom they've bent their knee). I don't think Bernie and AOC have much to do with it.
Fatigue on the Dems not seeming to understand the gravity of what's happening. (i.e. need more AOCs and fewer Schumers)
--Related: "We're not Trump" is not inspiring.
Israel. If the Dems had condemned what's going on there, they'd have probably picked up some hard left "not voting for genocide" votes.
The right-wing misinformation machine and the death of journalism. Just because Trump's administration is a steaming pile of crap doesn't mean all the BS about wokeness, "they've gotten so far left," and even the older-school "Dems are not good at the fiscal stuff" doesn't still resonate.
--This is probably where "crazy AOC and Bernie" play in. It's not that they're crazy. They pretty much want to make America great again (i.e., pre-Reagan when regular people could buy a house and raise a family without shareholder capitalism destroying it).
They don't have very inspiring personalities right now. And those that are (Walz's coach/dad thing, AOC's actual care about regular people, or Bernie's anger and energy) scare the party either because they're uniparty complicit or because they really believe that GOP lite is the only way to go (even after it didn't work in 2016).
It sucks because the Dems are probably done as a key player nationally. For all the right-wing whining about mainstream media, the robber barons that actually control the narrative are just too much to overcome. Meanwhile they're picking the pockets of their base and convincing them that their real problem is transgendered athletes.
Bernie AOC (great Rap band!) believe in govt mandated healthcare, housing and free college, etc. That will lose national elections and key senate races to “free market” every time. As far as the unfortunate war in Your third bullet point, go grab some you tube videos of trumps campaign comments about Israel. He ran very hard pro Israel. Before the current war, that’d be a million miles from where I was politically. Point being, he had strong language which should have drawn out the hate Israel crowd, but he had the best popular vote total by a republican in a long time. Before this election, it was predicted Rs would never win the popular vote again.
Where was that predicted?
It was posited a lot around here and in the public. Seemed to ring pretty true to me based on another Trump nomination, but here we are.
I don’t recall anyone claiming repubs would never win another general vote total. That’s crazy talk. They are doing everything to ensure that they do, though.
Let’s not get caught up in the word never. Can we assume it means foreseeable future, as in before the time Mike plays his last immortality solos to 20000 fans?
Lex, YES, it's true that many didn't see how the GOP would win a majority general election again. And they said that because we used to say "demographics are destiny" and the growing black and hispanic populations would carry the D's into the future. It's true, this was said. And it's true that is clearly wrong. But the fact that was wrong is exactly why your doom and gloom is wrong as well. You just can't wrap your head around how the D's win again. You make it sound fatal, but it was just as fatal for the R's only a few years ago. That's why I am not hang wringing like you.
Bernie AOC (great Rap band!) believe in govt mandated healthcare, housing and free college, etc. That will lose national elections and key senate races to “free market” every time.
huh? These are wildly popular issues that no Democrat has run on since 2020.
If anything what Bernie and AOC are speaking to is what Americans really want. Something the current Dems (and certainly not republicans) want to discuss. Wether its attainable financially or not is besides the point. They are popular positions among Americans. They are appealing to the majority. That is something neither party has done as a whole and led us to the deep divisions we have.
but I get it their position on Israel is disqualifying. But again, their position is NOT where Democrats as a whole are. Leaderships position is in line with yours.
If these policies were popular, the political landscape would look much different in this country.
I mean, you need someone to RUN on these policies first. Then we’d have definitive proof if they are electable policies or not.
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That they are seen as not doing anything to push back on Trump other than writing strongly worded letters from Schumer. I’m not saying it’s a big deal if this person gets the ambassadorship, but at least look like you are doing something so you can campaign on it.
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The way you paint it makes it seem like Democrats will never win again unless they just become Republican.
Regarding Senate ( and by extension SCOTUS ) not sure where the optimism would be looking at 2026/28 maps. Then 2030 census, ten electoral votes/house seats moving from blue states to the south. That’s the context. Not sure about never, but these political maps make 2020 seem like a lifetime ago.
The way you paint it makes it seem like Democrats will never win again unless they just become Republican.
Regarding Senate ( and by extension SCOTUS ) not sure where the optimism would be looking at 2026/28 maps. Then 2030 census, ten electoral votes/house seats moving from blue states to the south. That’s the context. Not sure about never, but these political maps make 2020 seem like a lifetime ago.
It won’t be a 10 seat flip like you’re suggesting.
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The way you paint it makes it seem like Democrats will never win again unless they just become Republican.
Regarding Senate ( and by extension SCOTUS ) not sure where the optimism would be looking at 2026/28 maps. Then 2030 census, ten electoral votes/house seats moving from blue states to the south. That’s the context. Not sure about never, but these political maps make 2020 seem like a lifetime ago.
2020 is not only a metaphorical lifetime ago, it's an entire era ago: the era of the U.S. as a democracy, and the era of the U.S. as an oligarchical dictatorship under a tyrannical kakistocracy. An alphabet soup of horrors.
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huh? These are wildly popular issues that no Democrat has run on since 2020.
Health Care (Medicare for All)
https://truthout.org/articles/poll-support-for-government-ensured-health-coverage-at-nearly-2-decade-high/
https://www.citizen.org/article/public-support-for-medicare-for-all/
Hosing Affordability
Free College/more Affordable college Education
https://www.norc.org/research/library/survey--americans-see-cost-as-the-biggest-barrier-to-higher-educ.html
https://www.luminafoundation.org/news-and-views/sticker-shock-americans-say-college-costs-are-too-high-and-unclear/
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/quick-takes/2025/03/10/survey-what-republican-voters-want-higher-ed
but I get it their position on Israel is disqualifying. But again, their position is NOT where Democrats as a whole are. Leaderships position is in line with yours.
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
being a former senator and having prior relationships helps.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
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1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
2020 is not only a metaphorical lifetime ago, it's an entire era ago: the era of the U.S. as a democracy, and the era of the U.S. as an oligarchical dictatorship under a tyrannical kakistocracy. An alphabet soup of horrors.