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  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,965
    But really, it’s this big boy that’s got the juice

    https://bsky.app/profile/isaacdovere.bsky.social/post/3lntlfjyvac2i
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,965
    This ain’t it


  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,877
    But really, it’s this big boy that’s got the juice

    https://bsky.app/profile/isaacdovere.bsky.social/post/3lntlfjyvac2i
    Careful. He might find himself on a flight to El Salvador.
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  • DE4173DE4173 Posts: 2,346
    This ain’t it





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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,352
    But really, it’s this big boy that’s got the juice

    https://bsky.app/profile/isaacdovere.bsky.social/post/3lntlfjyvac2i

    So this was the link instead if chubby checker?


    what’s his protesting gonna do? That wapo trump 100 day approval poll has voters trusting Dems to fix problems seven points LESS than trump?

     After the stock market crash, El Salvador fiasco. Signal gate. And the dems are trusted seven points less. Damn.

    at this point who exactly supports Dems? This place, Reddit, and ten other people? But who would know when mds think Dems being rejected for extremism admitted by their own, is the same as a general Dems topic. Let’s see what others get censorship.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,566
    But really, it’s this big boy that’s got the juice

    https://bsky.app/profile/isaacdovere.bsky.social/post/3lntlfjyvac2i

    So this was the link instead if chubby checker?


    what’s his protesting gonna do? That wapo trump 100 day approval poll has voters trusting Dems to fix problems seven points LESS than trump?

     After the stock market crash, El Salvador fiasco. Signal gate. And the dems are trusted seven points less. Damn.

    at this point who exactly supports Dems? This place, Reddit, and ten other people? But who would know when mds think Dems being rejected for extremism admitted by their own, is the same as a general Dems topic. Let’s see what others get censorship.
    Yeah you're right.  That's who.  The state of Wisconsin, who voted for the liberal overwhelmingly in the judicial election was made up of AMT, Reddit and 7 of the 10 people left.  And that smoked the R.  You have stated it perfectly.  
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,481
    mrussel1 said:
    But really, it’s this big boy that’s got the juice

    https://bsky.app/profile/isaacdovere.bsky.social/post/3lntlfjyvac2i

    So this was the link instead if chubby checker?


    what’s his protesting gonna do? That wapo trump 100 day approval poll has voters trusting Dems to fix problems seven points LESS than trump?

     After the stock market crash, El Salvador fiasco. Signal gate. And the dems are trusted seven points less. Damn.

    at this point who exactly supports Dems? This place, Reddit, and ten other people? But who would know when mds think Dems being rejected for extremism admitted by their own, is the same as a general Dems topic. Let’s see what others get censorship.
    Yeah you're right.  That's who.  The state of Wisconsin, who voted for the liberal overwhelmingly in the judicial election was made up of AMT, Reddit and 7 of the 10 people left.  And that smoked the R.  You have stated it perfectly.  
    Crap. They're all in Wisconsin?
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,566
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    But really, it’s this big boy that’s got the juice

    https://bsky.app/profile/isaacdovere.bsky.social/post/3lntlfjyvac2i

    So this was the link instead if chubby checker?


    what’s his protesting gonna do? That wapo trump 100 day approval poll has voters trusting Dems to fix problems seven points LESS than trump?

     After the stock market crash, El Salvador fiasco. Signal gate. And the dems are trusted seven points less. Damn.

    at this point who exactly supports Dems? This place, Reddit, and ten other people? But who would know when mds think Dems being rejected for extremism admitted by their own, is the same as a general Dems topic. Let’s see what others get censorship.
    Yeah you're right.  That's who.  The state of Wisconsin, who voted for the liberal overwhelmingly in the judicial election was made up of AMT, Reddit and 7 of the 10 people left.  And that smoked the R.  You have stated it perfectly.  
    Crap. They're all in Wisconsin?
    Thought I was pretty clear that 3 of the 10 are NOT in Wisconsin.  Pay attention to my locked-in facts.  
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,612
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    But really, it’s this big boy that’s got the juice

    https://bsky.app/profile/isaacdovere.bsky.social/post/3lntlfjyvac2i

    So this was the link instead if chubby checker?


    what’s his protesting gonna do? That wapo trump 100 day approval poll has voters trusting Dems to fix problems seven points LESS than trump?

     After the stock market crash, El Salvador fiasco. Signal gate. And the dems are trusted seven points less. Damn.

    at this point who exactly supports Dems? This place, Reddit, and ten other people? But who would know when mds think Dems being rejected for extremism admitted by their own, is the same as a general Dems topic. Let’s see what others get censorship.
    Yeah you're right.  That's who.  The state of Wisconsin, who voted for the liberal overwhelmingly in the judicial election was made up of AMT, Reddit and 7 of the 10 people left.  And that smoked the R.  You have stated it perfectly.  
    Crap. They're all in Wisconsin?
    Thought I was pretty clear that 3 of the 10 are NOT in Wisconsin.  Pay attention to my locked-in facts.  
    These attacks on Wisconsin Dems will not stand.
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  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,965
    They'll all be Illinois Dems when the Great Khan has his way.

  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,336
    edited April 29
    to really really simplify SJW. At its heart, does it not mean to hold the country to our founding principles in the Constitution and it's preceding document the Declaration? As flawed as the Constitution is but later corrected.

    I say yes. As such EVERY SINGLE SOLDIER, SAILOR, AIRMAN AND MARINE is just that a Social Justice Warrior, in the truest sense. We swear to preserve and defend that document.

    those who dont hold to the same are anti-americanists and anti-constutionalists. if you aren't then what the fuck is wrong with you.

    We stand for those ideals. seeking to realize the promise we were taught this country was and is supposed to be. 


    to quote the preamble to our founding document  "to form a more perfect union...."
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  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,965
    But how do you deride people who are "a bit much" in standing up for things?

  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,336
    But how do you deride people who are "a bit much" in standing up for things?


    confront the message, not the messenger?
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,352
    mrussel1 said:
    But really, it’s this big boy that’s got the juice

    https://bsky.app/profile/isaacdovere.bsky.social/post/3lntlfjyvac2i

    So this was the link instead if chubby checker?


    what’s his protesting gonna do? That wapo trump 100 day approval poll has voters trusting Dems to fix problems seven points LESS than trump?

     After the stock market crash, El Salvador fiasco. Signal gate. And the dems are trusted seven points less. Damn.

    at this point who exactly supports Dems? This place, Reddit, and ten other people? But who would know when mds think Dems being rejected for extremism admitted by their own, is the same as a general Dems topic. Let’s see what others get censorship.
    Yeah you're right.  That's who.  The state of Wisconsin, who voted for the liberal overwhelmingly in the judicial election was made up of AMT, Reddit and 7 of the 10 people left.  And that smoked the R.  You have stated it perfectly.  

    I’ve conceded the house next year, we win that. But the rest? The dems have at least four battleground senate seats to hold and three R state seats they just lost, if they wish to retake the senate this decade. With many incumbent retirements soon. The senate, White House and Supreme Court is where our govt matters most and where democrats are struggling.

    after that, the new census kicks in and ten electoral votes / house seats go from solid blue states to the south. After that, dems could sweep the blue wall, including your beloved Wisconsin and still  lose every electoral college vote thereafter, and probably every house election.

    all the news this week is how bad trumps approval ratings are, and that’s well deserved. What the dem media is failing to discuss is they polled seven points worse. Tariffs, horrible deportations. 7 points worse. That’s after the delusion of Bernie AOC selling out red state rallies with much bigger crowds than Pearl Jam. Still. 7 points worse than trump. Read AOCs website and report back she is not heavy into socialism. They ain’t voting for that here and the party is too clueless to figure that out.
  • DE4173DE4173 Posts: 2,346
    I guess that would explain them losing a star:




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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,877
    mrussel1 said:
    But really, it’s this big boy that’s got the juice

    https://bsky.app/profile/isaacdovere.bsky.social/post/3lntlfjyvac2i

    So this was the link instead if chubby checker?


    what’s his protesting gonna do? That wapo trump 100 day approval poll has voters trusting Dems to fix problems seven points LESS than trump?

     After the stock market crash, El Salvador fiasco. Signal gate. And the dems are trusted seven points less. Damn.

    at this point who exactly supports Dems? This place, Reddit, and ten other people? But who would know when mds think Dems being rejected for extremism admitted by their own, is the same as a general Dems topic. Let’s see what others get censorship.
    Yeah you're right.  That's who.  The state of Wisconsin, who voted for the liberal overwhelmingly in the judicial election was made up of AMT, Reddit and 7 of the 10 people left.  And that smoked the R.  You have stated it perfectly.  

    I’ve conceded the house next year, we win that. But the rest? The dems have at least four battleground senate seats to hold and three R state seats they just lost, if they wish to retake the senate this decade. With many incumbent retirements soon. The senate, White House and Supreme Court is where our govt matters most and where democrats are struggling.

    after that, the new census kicks in and ten electoral votes / house seats go from solid blue states to the south. After that, dems could sweep the blue wall, including your beloved Wisconsin and still  lose every electoral college vote thereafter, and probably every house election.

    all the news this week is how bad trumps approval ratings are, and that’s well deserved. What the dem media is failing to discuss is they polled seven points worse. Tariffs, horrible deportations. 7 points worse. That’s after the delusion of Bernie AOC selling out red state rallies with much bigger crowds than Pearl Jam. Still. 7 points worse than trump. Read AOCs website and report back she is not heavy into socialism. They ain’t voting for that here and the party is too clueless to figure that out.
    Is CNN dem media?
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,566
    mrussel1 said:
    But really, it’s this big boy that’s got the juice

    https://bsky.app/profile/isaacdovere.bsky.social/post/3lntlfjyvac2i

    So this was the link instead if chubby checker?


    what’s his protesting gonna do? That wapo trump 100 day approval poll has voters trusting Dems to fix problems seven points LESS than trump?

     After the stock market crash, El Salvador fiasco. Signal gate. And the dems are trusted seven points less. Damn.

    at this point who exactly supports Dems? This place, Reddit, and ten other people? But who would know when mds think Dems being rejected for extremism admitted by their own, is the same as a general Dems topic. Let’s see what others get censorship.
    Yeah you're right.  That's who.  The state of Wisconsin, who voted for the liberal overwhelmingly in the judicial election was made up of AMT, Reddit and 7 of the 10 people left.  And that smoked the R.  You have stated it perfectly.  

    I’ve conceded the house next year, we win that. But the rest? The dems have at least four battleground senate seats to hold and three R state seats they just lost, if they wish to retake the senate this decade. With many incumbent retirements soon. The senate, White House and Supreme Court is where our govt matters most and where democrats are struggling.

    after that, the new census kicks in and ten electoral votes / house seats go from solid blue states to the south. After that, dems could sweep the blue wall, including your beloved Wisconsin and still  lose every electoral college vote thereafter, and probably every house election.

    all the news this week is how bad trumps approval ratings are, and that’s well deserved. What the dem media is failing to discuss is they polled seven points worse. Tariffs, horrible deportations. 7 points worse. That’s after the delusion of Bernie AOC selling out red state rallies with much bigger crowds than Pearl Jam. Still. 7 points worse than trump. Read AOCs website and report back she is not heavy into socialism. They ain’t voting for that here and the party is too clueless to figure that out.
    How do we win the House when you say the D support is Reddit, AMT and 10 other people?  Making egregiously silly statements doesn't really help people buy into your arguments.  

    Second, we already discussed the rallies.  Do you not remember 2016 and 2020 when Bernie had those enormous rallies?  The voting power of the party is center left.  How do you not see this?
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,965
    mrussel1 said:
    But really, it’s this big boy that’s got the juice

    https://bsky.app/profile/isaacdovere.bsky.social/post/3lntlfjyvac2i

    So this was the link instead if chubby checker?


    what’s his protesting gonna do? That wapo trump 100 day approval poll has voters trusting Dems to fix problems seven points LESS than trump?

     After the stock market crash, El Salvador fiasco. Signal gate. And the dems are trusted seven points less. Damn.

    at this point who exactly supports Dems? This place, Reddit, and ten other people? But who would know when mds think Dems being rejected for extremism admitted by their own, is the same as a general Dems topic. Let’s see what others get censorship.
    Yeah you're right.  That's who.  The state of Wisconsin, who voted for the liberal overwhelmingly in the judicial election was made up of AMT, Reddit and 7 of the 10 people left.  And that smoked the R.  You have stated it perfectly.  

    all the news this week is how bad trumps approval ratings are, and that’s well deserved. What the dem media is failing to discuss is they polled seven points worse. Tariffs, horrible deportations. 7 points worse. That’s after the delusion of Bernie AOC selling out red state rallies with much bigger crowds than Pearl Jam. Still. 7 points worse than trump. Read AOCs website and report back she is not heavy into socialism. They ain’t voting for that here and the party is too clueless to figure that out.

    I agree Dem leadership is feckless. But if what they are doing isn’t liked and according to you what AOC is doing isn’t well liked, what’s the third option? Just become republican? 
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,352
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    But really, it’s this big boy that’s got the juice

    https://bsky.app/profile/isaacdovere.bsky.social/post/3lntlfjyvac2i

    So this was the link instead if chubby checker?


    what’s his protesting gonna do? That wapo trump 100 day approval poll has voters trusting Dems to fix problems seven points LESS than trump?

     After the stock market crash, El Salvador fiasco. Signal gate. And the dems are trusted seven points less. Damn.

    at this point who exactly supports Dems? This place, Reddit, and ten other people? But who would know when mds think Dems being rejected for extremism admitted by their own, is the same as a general Dems topic. Let’s see what others get censorship.
    Yeah you're right.  That's who.  The state of Wisconsin, who voted for the liberal overwhelmingly in the judicial election was made up of AMT, Reddit and 7 of the 10 people left.  And that smoked the R.  You have stated it perfectly.  

    I’ve conceded the house next year, we win that. But the rest? The dems have at least four battleground senate seats to hold and three R state seats they just lost, if they wish to retake the senate this decade. With many incumbent retirements soon. The senate, White House and Supreme Court is where our govt matters most and where democrats are struggling.

    after that, the new census kicks in and ten electoral votes / house seats go from solid blue states to the south. After that, dems could sweep the blue wall, including your beloved Wisconsin and still  lose every electoral college vote thereafter, and probably every house election.

    all the news this week is how bad trumps approval ratings are, and that’s well deserved. What the dem media is failing to discuss is they polled seven points worse. Tariffs, horrible deportations. 7 points worse. That’s after the delusion of Bernie AOC selling out red state rallies with much bigger crowds than Pearl Jam. Still. 7 points worse than trump. Read AOCs website and report back she is not heavy into socialism. They ain’t voting for that here and the party is too clueless to figure that out.
    How do we win the House when you say the D support is Reddit, AMT and 10 other people?  Making egregiously silly statements doesn't really help people buy into your arguments.  

    Second, we already discussed the rallies.  Do you not remember 2016 and 2020 when Bernie had those enormous rallies?  The voting power of the party is center left.  How do you not see this?


    I was referring to the very recent wapo poll question ‘who do you trust more to solve problems, trump or democrats?’ Trump got an abysmal 37% but democrats 30%. With a response like that, dems are not even getting all of their base to trust them. I’ve been referring to this poll often this week. And these polls were conducted after the news stories of all the dem protesting and large Bernie AOC rallies in red states. I am tying this poll result to the recent dem message of rallies and protests. So I can’t even trust the current dem message machine trying to convince me there is a pro democrat sea of upheaval. The joke is, at 30% trust, very few are trusting the dems of late. Considering the stock market, tariff and deportation straight to prison mess, that is astounding.
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,965
    Logistically how are Democrats solving any problems federally. They didn’t have the votes. 

    But yes, to a larger point Dem leadership is awful and they all need to go 
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,352
    Logistically how are Democrats solving any problems federally. They didn’t have the votes. 

    But yes, to a larger point Dem leadership is awful and they all need to go 

    Well…it’s a poll about trust, which coincides with my biggest problem with democrats. I love many of their policies, i don’t trust them to appoint good party leadership, good campaigners, nor an effective message machine. They raise tons of money yet wait to deploy much of it two months before an election when the Rs can wash it out with white noise. They need to figure out how to reach the portion of Americans who systematically don’t trust them, and these folks can now be triggered with one stupid 4 letter word, that begins with a w.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,566
    Logistically how are Democrats solving any problems federally. They didn’t have the votes. 

    But yes, to a larger point Dem leadership is awful and they all need to go 

    Well…it’s a poll about trust, which coincides with my biggest problem with democrats. I love many of their policies, i don’t trust them to appoint good party leadership, good campaigners, nor an effective message machine. They raise tons of money yet wait to deploy much of it two months before an election when the Rs can wash it out with white noise. They need to figure out how to reach the portion of Americans who systematically don’t trust them, and these folks can now be triggered with one stupid 4 letter word, that begins with a w.
    I'm pretty connected to what is going on in the world and I have no idea what Bernie and AOC rallies are about, what point they are making, etc.  So connecting their rallies to a national WashPo poll seems like a stretch.  
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,877
    Suddenly we trust polls again? I’m seeing reporting on generic ballot polling for the mid-terms showing Dems retake the house and senate, effectively making COOTWH a lame duck. Add that to the general understanding that the majority of voters are pissed at the national level and state of their respective parties, they are equally as enthusiastic about their representatives.

    November 2026 is a looooooong ways away and a lot can happen between now and then. As such, I’ll believe it when I see it. IMHO, the system is broke so get woke, dark woke if so inclined.
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 10,248
    When a sitting president fucks up so bad like Trump is doing, it would be nice to be able to have snap elections. 2 years and 4 years are too long for these politicians. If you want to keep your job serve the people, not yourself and the select minority always on your side. With today's technology, the damage is inflicted faster than ever before. 
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,481
    I suppose there are several reasons the Dems are doing so poorly in that poll (assuming WaPo isn't trying to make them worse than the man to whom they've bent their knee). I don't think Bernie and AOC have much to do with it.
    • Fatigue on the Dems not seeming to understand the gravity of what's happening. (i.e. need more AOCs and fewer Schumers)
    • --Related: "We're not Trump" is not inspiring. 
    • Israel. If the Dems had condemned what's going on there, they'd have probably picked up some hard left "not voting for genocide" votes.
    • The right-wing misinformation machine and the death of journalism. Just because Trump's administration is a steaming pile of crap doesn't mean all the BS about wokeness, "they've gotten so far left," and even the older-school "Dems are not good at the fiscal stuff" doesn't still resonate.
    • --This is probably where "crazy AOC and Bernie" play in. It's not that they're crazy. They pretty much want to make America great again (i.e., pre-Reagan when regular people could buy a house and raise a family without shareholder capitalism destroying it).
    • They don't have very inspiring personalities right now. And those that are (Walz's coach/dad thing, AOC's actual care about regular people, or Bernie's anger and energy) scare the party either because they're uniparty complicit or because they really believe that GOP lite is the only way to go (even after it didn't work in 2016).
    It sucks because the Dems are probably done as a key player nationally. For all the right-wing whining about mainstream media, the robber barons that actually control the narrative are just too much to overcome. Meanwhile they're picking the pockets of their base and convincing them that their real problem is transgendered athletes.
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  • sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 2,326
    mrussel1 said:
    But really, it’s this big boy that’s got the juice

    https://bsky.app/profile/isaacdovere.bsky.social/post/3lntlfjyvac2i

    So this was the link instead if chubby checker?


    what’s his protesting gonna do? That wapo trump 100 day approval poll has voters trusting Dems to fix problems seven points LESS than trump?

     After the stock market crash, El Salvador fiasco. Signal gate. And the dems are trusted seven points less. Damn.

    at this point who exactly supports Dems? This place, Reddit, and ten other people? But who would know when mds think Dems being rejected for extremism admitted by their own, is the same as a general Dems topic. Let’s see what others get censorship.
    Yeah you're right.  That's who.  The state of Wisconsin, who voted for the liberal overwhelmingly in the judicial election was made up of AMT, Reddit and 7 of the 10 people left.  And that smoked the R.  You have stated it perfectly.  

    all the news this week is how bad trumps approval ratings are, and that’s well deserved. What the dem media is failing to discuss is they polled seven points worse. Tariffs, horrible deportations. 7 points worse. That’s after the delusion of Bernie AOC selling out red state rallies with much bigger crowds than Pearl Jam. Still. 7 points worse than trump. Read AOCs website and report back she is not heavy into socialism. They ain’t voting for that here and the party is too clueless to figure that out.

    I agree Dem leadership is feckless. But if what they are doing isn’t liked and according to you what AOC is doing isn’t well liked, what’s the third option? Just become republican? 

    The third option. Give this guy another look.
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,612
    edited April 30
    tbergs said:
    When a sitting president fucks up so bad like Trump is doing, it would be nice to be able to have snap elections. 2 years and 4 years are too long for these politicians. If you want to keep your job serve the people, not yourself and the select minority always on your side. With today's technology, the damage is inflicted faster than ever before. 
    That is supposed to be Congress' job (to keep a shitty POTUS in check)..but with GOP control they are like submissive little cuckholds
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,352
    mrussel1 said:
    Logistically how are Democrats solving any problems federally. They didn’t have the votes. 

    But yes, to a larger point Dem leadership is awful and they all need to go 

    Well…it’s a poll about trust, which coincides with my biggest problem with democrats. I love many of their policies, i don’t trust them to appoint good party leadership, good campaigners, nor an effective message machine. They raise tons of money yet wait to deploy much of it two months before an election when the Rs can wash it out with white noise. They need to figure out how to reach the portion of Americans who systematically don’t trust them, and these folks can now be triggered with one stupid 4 letter word, that begins with a w.
    I'm pretty connected to what is going on in the world and I have no idea what Bernie and AOC rallies are about, what point they are making, etc.  So connecting their rallies to a national WashPo poll seems like a stretch.  

    The argument was made by many dems are on a roll, taking advantage of 47s mistakes. And all the large protests and rallies were provided as evidence. I’ve admitted here I do watch too much msnbc! But IIRC there were plenty of similar posts on AMT.

    Suddenly we trust polls again? I’m seeing reporting on generic ballot polling for the mid-terms showing Dems retake the house and senate, effectively making COOTWH a lame duck. Add that to the general understanding that the majority of voters are pissed at the national level and state of their respective parties, they are equally as enthusiastic about their representatives.

    November 2026 is a looooooong ways away and a lot can happen between now and then. As such, I’ll believe it when I see it. IMHO, the system is broke so get woke, dark woke if so inclined.
    Definitely polls shouldn’t be trusted to get within 1-3 points, but the predictions six months ago were spot on with trump winning by 1-2%. Plus, that wapo poll had dem trust at 30%, in the light of trumps prison deportation and tariff stock market crash. How high could it possible be, 34%? Either case, it’s low enough it should be alarming to Dem campaign committees.

    and @shecky is back! Not sure I’m with ya on that pic!
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,352
    OnWis97 said:
    I suppose there are several reasons the Dems are doing so poorly in that poll (assuming WaPo isn't trying to make them worse than the man to whom they've bent their knee). I don't think Bernie and AOC have much to do with it.
    • Fatigue on the Dems not seeming to understand the gravity of what's happening. (i.e. need more AOCs and fewer Schumers)
    • --Related: "We're not Trump" is not inspiring. 
    • Israel. If the Dems had condemned what's going on there, they'd have probably picked up some hard left "not voting for genocide" votes.
    • The right-wing misinformation machine and the death of journalism. Just because Trump's administration is a steaming pile of crap doesn't mean all the BS about wokeness, "they've gotten so far left," and even the older-school "Dems are not good at the fiscal stuff" doesn't still resonate.
    • --This is probably where "crazy AOC and Bernie" play in. It's not that they're crazy. They pretty much want to make America great again (i.e., pre-Reagan when regular people could buy a house and raise a family without shareholder capitalism destroying it).
    • They don't have very inspiring personalities right now. And those that are (Walz's coach/dad thing, AOC's actual care about regular people, or Bernie's anger and energy) scare the party either because they're uniparty complicit or because they really believe that GOP lite is the only way to go (even after it didn't work in 2016).
    It sucks because the Dems are probably done as a key player nationally. For all the right-wing whining about mainstream media, the robber barons that actually control the narrative are just too much to overcome. Meanwhile they're picking the pockets of their base and convincing them that their real problem is transgendered athletes.

    Bernie AOC (great Rap band!) believe in govt mandated healthcare, housing and free college, etc. That will lose national elections and key senate races to “free market” every time. As far as the unfortunate war in Your third bullet point, go grab some you tube videos of trumps campaign comments about Israel. He ran very hard pro Israel. Before the current war, that’d be a million miles from where I was politically. Point being, he had strong language which should have drawn out the hate Israel crowd, but he had the best popular vote total by a republican in a long time. Before this election, it was predicted Rs would never win the popular vote again.
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