She was afraid to take stands on key issues because she was afraid of the bullies on the far left. Her biggest downfall of course was, not coming up with a good attack against trump for inflation and accuse him breaking the supply chain, and instead ran with the proven loser “trump is evil” campaign. Which is happening yet again. Far left foot…meet rake….and step.
Which key issues was she bullied out of not taking because of the Far Left?
She was afraid to take stands on key issues because she was afraid of the bullies on the far left. Her biggest downfall of course was, not coming up with a good attack against trump for inflation and accuse him breaking the supply chain, and instead ran with the proven loser “trump is evil” campaign. Which is happening yet again. Far left foot…meet rake….and step.
Which key issues was she bullied out of not taking because of the Far Left?
Don’t expect an answer. Just more word salad. I admire your patience. There’s no finding “the middle” here,
the right has made woke a pejorative just like they use progressive in the same way. I guess progress stinks. Evolution is crap. We should have all stayed apes. Let's all keep the status quo cuz everything is awesome!
The far right is all about breaking things without a viable plan to rebuild. They don't even have any regard for the planet that sustains and gives life. That's like loosening all the lug nuts on all four wheels, leaving the oil pan plug a half turn from falling out, and redlining the vehicle with the pedal to the metal for as long as you can, simply because someone you don't like said it's best to do otherwise. Their contrariness grows wearisome.
And if democrats don’t give voters a reasonable option, Rs will continue with their stranglehold on the senate and SCOTUS. The Biden admin had a huge hand turning nyc to shit in an election year, were dishonest about it. Then hid his terrible condition until that debate, then waited a month, then installed Kamala as nominee without a vote. Who decided best to run on the extreme and use Hilary’s “trump is evil” failed campaign strategy. And continually lie about all this, so their minions have no clue. Yes trump is evil, but dems are assholes. And stupid general election campaigners. Thank goodness for Covid 2020 helping Biden.
Classic "whataboutism" that has little to nothing to do with what I said. Come on, man, keep up.
the right has made woke a pejorative just like they use progressive in the same way. I guess progress stinks. Evolution is crap. We should have all stayed apes. Let's all keep the status quo cuz everything is awesome!
The far right is all about breaking things without a viable plan to rebuild. They don't even have any regard for the planet that sustains and gives life. That's like loosening all the lug nuts on all four wheels, leaving the oil pan plug a half turn from falling out, and redlining the vehicle with the pedal to the metal for as long as you can, simply because someone you don't like said it's best to do otherwise. Their contrariness grows wearisome.
And if democrats don’t give voters a reasonable option, Rs will continue with their stranglehold on the senate and SCOTUS. The Biden admin had a huge hand turning nyc to shit in an election year, were dishonest about it. Then hid his terrible condition until that debate, then waited a month, then installed Kamala as nominee without a vote. Who decided best to run on the extreme and use Hilary’s “trump is evil” failed campaign strategy. And continually lie about all this, so their minions have no clue. Yes trump is evil, but dems are assholes. And stupid general election campaigners. Thank goodness for Covid 2020 helping Biden.
you likely would not have voted for anybody the dems put up, so this is kind of a moot point.
your maga is showing again.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
the right has made woke a pejorative just like they use progressive in the same way. I guess progress stinks. Evolution is crap. We should have all stayed apes. Let's all keep the status quo cuz everything is awesome!
The far right is all about breaking things without a viable plan to rebuild. They don't even have any regard for the planet that sustains and gives life. That's like loosening all the lug nuts on all four wheels, leaving the oil pan plug a half turn from falling out, and redlining the vehicle with the pedal to the metal for as long as you can, simply because someone you don't like said it's best to do otherwise. Their contrariness grows wearisome.
And if democrats don’t give voters a reasonable option, Rs will continue with their stranglehold on the senate and SCOTUS. The Biden admin had a huge hand turning nyc to shit in an election year, were dishonest about it. Then hid his terrible condition until that debate, then waited a month, then installed Kamala as nominee without a vote. Who decided best to run on the extreme and use Hilary’s “trump is evil” failed campaign strategy. And continually lie about all this, so their minions have no clue. Yes trump is evil, but dems are assholes. And stupid general election campaigners. Thank goodness for Covid 2020 helping Biden.
you likely would not have voted for anybody the dems put up, so this is kind of a moot point.
your maga is showing again.
lol maga, talk about a clueless attack. I’ve never voted for a R in a general election, if you know anything about this ten year commenter on this forum, at least know that.
As for the prior two inaccurate commenters, there were many discussions from that guardian starmer/kamala article with the following title discussed often by me on the forum this week, thanks for paying attention..,
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On wokeness, patriotism and change, Kamala Harris’s defeat has lessons for Starmer
“ Among working-class voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird direction”, said one, “lost touch with our priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.”
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And as a bonus…let’s see if anyone can find where Kamala tried to distance herself from woke culture when her video “everybody needs to be woke” and countless similar tweets resurfaced from 2017 era last August. She was too scared to take on the extreme left.
people in the middle see the false attacks of my comments as an inability to engage honestly, to see things at face value further cementing their reputation as insufferable extremists, and they have a word for Dems, begins with an a and has seven letters..
the right has made woke a pejorative just like they use progressive in the same way. I guess progress stinks. Evolution is crap. We should have all stayed apes. Let's all keep the status quo cuz everything is awesome!
The far right is all about breaking things without a viable plan to rebuild. They don't even have any regard for the planet that sustains and gives life. That's like loosening all the lug nuts on all four wheels, leaving the oil pan plug a half turn from falling out, and redlining the vehicle with the pedal to the metal for as long as you can, simply because someone you don't like said it's best to do otherwise. Their contrariness grows wearisome.
And if democrats don’t give voters a reasonable option, Rs will continue with their stranglehold on the senate and SCOTUS. The Biden admin had a huge hand turning nyc to shit in an election year, were dishonest about it. Then hid his terrible condition until that debate, then waited a month, then installed Kamala as nominee without a vote. Who decided best to run on the extreme and use Hilary’s “trump is evil” failed campaign strategy. And continually lie about all this, so their minions have no clue. Yes trump is evil, but dems are assholes. And stupid general election campaigners. Thank goodness for Covid 2020 helping Biden.
Classic "whataboutism" that has little to nothing to do with what I said. Come on, man, keep up.
Incorrect. You replied to a comment dismissing the problems with woke and the wider related topic. If the middle see dems as jerks, they ain’t gonna notice the subtlety of your comment.
democrat arrogance has prevented them from understanding several environmental errors, like billions wasted on poorly designed windmill farms, and dishonesty regarding plastic recycling and many other examples. Without smart communication, the Republicans can easily make Democrats look arrogant and aloof and that’s why they win general elections they have no business winning.
And you know the AMT reply is gonna be nonstop about the price of eggs and trump evil man, as the reason we lost. It’s just a party and a movement incapable of self reflection
the right has made woke a pejorative just like they use progressive in the same way. I guess progress stinks. Evolution is crap. We should have all stayed apes. Let's all keep the status quo cuz everything is awesome!
The far right is all about breaking things without a viable plan to rebuild. They don't even have any regard for the planet that sustains and gives life. That's like loosening all the lug nuts on all four wheels, leaving the oil pan plug a half turn from falling out, and redlining the vehicle with the pedal to the metal for as long as you can, simply because someone you don't like said it's best to do otherwise. Their contrariness grows wearisome.
And if democrats don’t give voters a reasonable option, Rs will continue with their stranglehold on the senate and SCOTUS. The Biden admin had a huge hand turning nyc to shit in an election year, were dishonest about it. Then hid his terrible condition until that debate, then waited a month, then installed Kamala as nominee without a vote. Who decided best to run on the extreme and use Hilary’s “trump is evil” failed campaign strategy. And continually lie about all this, so their minions have no clue. Yes trump is evil, but dems are assholes. And stupid general election campaigners. Thank goodness for Covid 2020 helping Biden.
you likely would not have voted for anybody the dems put up, so this is kind of a moot point.
your maga is showing again.
And as a bonus…let’s see if anyone can find where Kamala tried to distance herself from woke culture when her video “everybody needs to be woke” and countless similar tweets resurfaced from 2017 era last August. She was too scared to take on the extreme left.
people in the middle see the false attacks of my comments as an inability to engage honestly, to see things at face value further cementing their reputation as insufferable extremists, and they have a word for Dems, begins with an a and has seven letters..
What Woke meant in 2017 (where that clip is from) was a totally different from "Woke" in 2024.
IMO she shouldn't have to distance herself from the 2017 quote because woke then meant an awareness that there are purposefully created inequalities and people should be made aware of them in a pursuit to treat each other equally. Its not her fault everyone is dopey now and thinks it just means White People=bad and they should feel bad about it. Its not her fault people are dumb or so sensitive.
the right has made woke a pejorative just like they use progressive in the same way. I guess progress stinks. Evolution is crap. We should have all stayed apes. Let's all keep the status quo cuz everything is awesome!
The far right is all about breaking things without a viable plan to rebuild. They don't even have any regard for the planet that sustains and gives life. That's like loosening all the lug nuts on all four wheels, leaving the oil pan plug a half turn from falling out, and redlining the vehicle with the pedal to the metal for as long as you can, simply because someone you don't like said it's best to do otherwise. Their contrariness grows wearisome.
And if democrats don’t give voters a reasonable option, Rs will continue with their stranglehold on the senate and SCOTUS. The Biden admin had a huge hand turning nyc to shit in an election year, were dishonest about it. Then hid his terrible condition until that debate, then waited a month, then installed Kamala as nominee without a vote. Who decided best to run on the extreme and use Hilary’s “trump is evil” failed campaign strategy. And continually lie about all this, so their minions have no clue. Yes trump is evil, but dems are assholes. And stupid general election campaigners. Thank goodness for Covid 2020 helping Biden.
you likely would not have voted for anybody the dems put up, so this is kind of a moot point.
your maga is showing again.
And as a bonus…let’s see if anyone can find where Kamala tried to distance herself from woke culture when her video “everybody needs to be woke” and countless similar tweets resurfaced from 2017 era last August. She was too scared to take on the extreme left.
people in the middle see the false attacks of my comments as an inability to engage honestly, to see things at face value further cementing their reputation as insufferable extremists, and they have a word for Dems, begins with an a and has seven letters..
What Woke meant in 2017 (where that clip is from) was a totally different from "Woke" in 2024.
Ok great but what does that mean? It used to be a poorly understood general attack from the right, and if anything it was more clearly understood as “dems are jerks” by 2024. She was center stage for the first time in her life in aug 2024, and this woke attack was on a roll
right or wrong, the Rs were ready for this fight. This was their planned intitial Kamala attack and the dems were flat footed and unprepared. The Rs knew it would work, and she shrugged her shoulders instead of taking on the special interests in her party she showed the country she was not capable of representing from the middle.
All this tells me is we just need a candidate that sells their policy positions better than she did.
You can care for the marginalized AND have sound policies that benefit the middle class. Its not running left or right or center, its connecting with these people. Woke isn't the problem, connection is. You can tell them Blacks and latinos and women and the disabled don't get a fair shake because of systemic racism/sexism/ableism AND say hey creating a more robust social safety net benefits everyone and makes for a stronger society. At the end of the day most people agree that we should treat each other fairly, but they want to see how they are taken care of too.
the right has made woke a pejorative just like they use progressive in the same way. I guess progress stinks. Evolution is crap. We should have all stayed apes. Let's all keep the status quo cuz everything is awesome!
The far right is all about breaking things without a viable plan to rebuild. They don't even have any regard for the planet that sustains and gives life. That's like loosening all the lug nuts on all four wheels, leaving the oil pan plug a half turn from falling out, and redlining the vehicle with the pedal to the metal for as long as you can, simply because someone you don't like said it's best to do otherwise. Their contrariness grows wearisome.
And if democrats don’t give voters a reasonable option, Rs will continue with their stranglehold on the senate and SCOTUS. The Biden admin had a huge hand turning nyc to shit in an election year, were dishonest about it. Then hid his terrible condition until that debate, then waited a month, then installed Kamala as nominee without a vote. Who decided best to run on the extreme and use Hilary’s “trump is evil” failed campaign strategy. And continually lie about all this, so their minions have no clue. Yes trump is evil, but dems are assholes. And stupid general election campaigners. Thank goodness for Covid 2020 helping Biden.
Classic "whataboutism" that has little to nothing to do with what I said. Come on, man, keep up.
Incorrect. You replied to a comment dismissing the problems with woke and the wider related topic. If the middle see dems as jerks, they ain’t gonna notice the subtlety of your comment.
democrat arrogance has prevented them from understanding several environmental errors, like billions wasted on poorly designed windmill farms, and dishonesty regarding plastic recycling and many other examples. Without smart communication, the Republicans can easily make Democrats look arrogant and aloof and that’s why they win general elections they have no business winning.
And you know the AMT reply is gonna be nonstop about the price of eggs and trump evil man, as the reason we lost. It’s just a party and a movement incapable of self reflection
Lookup "whataboutism". It's simple to do.
And your generalizations and characterizations about me are a laugh. I'll say it again, Come on man, keep up!
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I don't know about the rest of you, but this one guy against the world bullshit here is getting tiresome. I'm switching cars.
I don't know about the rest of you, but this one guy against the world bullshit here is getting tiresome. I'm switching cars.
Against this forum bullshit. FTFY.
because after all the conservatives were baited and baited on here, and then they all got kicked off the forum. Must be them (some of them deserved it, but not all). Must be me. Maher is over the hill and irrelevant. It’s always because someone else is not as good as you. There’s a word for that lol.
Damn it if you are not getting your safe space. Better to blame someone else than search for the truth why Dems are getting toxic to the middle.
They weren’t baited. They came in being dicks and were eventually banned when they weren’t following the forum rules. they never engaged in good faith discussions and only wanted to gloat and goad liberal posters here.
I’m sorry that you get pushback on your positions here and that bothers you. I’m sorry that the kids of today view the world differently than you and are excited about some candidates that speak to them instead of ones that have continually let them down. I’m glad you feel confident that you have all the correct answers and that you are the only one who sees the world the way it really is and literally everyone else here have blinders on and no agency to their beliefs.
We have 19 months until the midterms, 3,726 other things are gonna happen before then affecting people’s perceptions of Democrats and Republicans. (We don’t even have the official exit polling from 2024 - Census and Pew haven’t released it yet). We’re all just throwing darts here.
They weren’t baited. They came in being dicks and were eventually banned when they weren’t following the forum rules. they never engaged in good faith discussions and only wanted to gloat and goad liberal posters here.
I’m sorry that you get pushback on your positions here and that bothers you. I’m sorry that the kids of today view the world differently than you and are excited about some candidates that speak to them instead of ones that have continually let them down. I’m glad you feel confident that you have all the correct answers and that you are the only one who sees the world the way it really is and literally everyone else here have blinders on and no agency to their beliefs.
We have 19 months until the midterms, 3,726 other things are gonna happen before then affecting people’s perceptions of Democrats and Republicans. (We don’t even have the official exit polling from 2024 - Census and Pew haven’t released it yet). We’re all just throwing darts here.
I will say, the particularly rude mockery from one side to the other, used to be predominantly from the right-wing, aimed at the left-wing, and now I feel it's pretty much universal. There's more venom on here (and seemingly in the world) than there used to be. I get swept up in it too, and hate when I do.
That said, if it's 2025 and you're unsure who has earned your vote, something tells me character is low on your priority list anyways.
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They weren’t baited. They came in being dicks and were eventually banned when they weren’t following the forum rules. they never engaged in good faith discussions and only wanted to gloat and goad liberal posters here.
I’m sorry that you get pushback on your positions here and that bothers you. I’m sorry that the kids of today view the world differently than you and are excited about some candidates that speak to them instead of ones that have continually let them down. I’m glad you feel confident that you have all the correct answers and that you are the only one who sees the world the way it really is and literally everyone else here have blinders on and no agency to their beliefs.
We have 19 months until the midterms, 3,726 other things are gonna happen before then affecting people’s perceptions of Democrats and Republicans. (We don’t even have the official exit polling from 2024 - Census and Pew haven’t released it yet). We’re all just throwing darts here.
I will say, the particularly rude mockery from one side to the other, used to be predominantly from the right-wing, aimed at the left-wing, and now I feel it's pretty much universal. There's more venom on here (and seemingly in the world) than there used to be. I get swept up in it too, and hate when I do.
That said, if it's 2025 and you're unsure who has earned your vote, something tells me character is low on your priority list anyways.
Try taking a centrist position on the forum and see what happens. Some call me maga on here which is absurd. Shows a lack of knowledge about my comments, but it will not stop an attack. As far as Tim’s point, I agree most bans were deserved but some were definitely not. And there is a ton of angry baiting by the leftists here, and they all get away with it, when the right does not. There was one righty reasonable poster, it’s been made clear not to discuss specifics by the mods, but I searched their comment history at their demise, asked the forum if anyone knew why there was a ban based on these comments, and I still don’t know. Only want to know what the limits of the forum are, as someone who gets a ton of heat here for wanting to find the middle among democrats.
Even a member here I used to believe was extremely reasonable, our friend from cali, targeted me specifically as he is sick of my one man cause. If wanting to find a reasonable middle ground in this toxic political climate is unbearable, that’s most emphatically not on me.
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brianlux
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I don't know about the rest of you, but this one guy against the world bullshit here is getting tiresome. I'm switching cars.
Against this forum bullshit. FTFY.
because after all the conservatives were baited and baited on here, and then they all got kicked off the forum. Must be them (some of them deserved it, but not all). Must be me. Maher is over the hill and irrelevant. It’s always because someone else is not as good as you. There’s a word for that lol.
Damn it if you are not getting your safe space. Better to blame someone else than search for the truth why Dems are getting toxic to the middle.
You are so out of touch with things I've said on these forums in recent months, but you keep poking in the wrong places. I should take this as irritating, but your misguided anger is actually kind of amusing.
I don't know about the rest of you, but this one guy against the world bullshit here is getting tiresome. I'm switching cars.
Against this forum bullshit. FTFY.
because after all the conservatives were baited and baited on here, and then they all got kicked off the forum. Must be them (some of them deserved it, but not all). Must be me. Maher is over the hill and irrelevant. It’s always because someone else is not as good as you. There’s a word for that lol.
Damn it if you are not getting your safe space. Better to blame someone else than search for the truth why Dems are getting toxic to the middle.
You are so out of touch with things I've said on these forums in recent months, but you keep poking in the wrong places. I should take this as irritating, but your misguided anger is actually kind of amusing.
Keep up or carry on, mox nix.
I’m replying to your baseless attack and that’s in the wrong place lol? Im taking one small step to the center and you aren’t capable of any goodwill or reflection, other than calling it bs, and thinking you are better than centrists.
wash post has voters trusting Dems seven points less than trump. Shifty Schiff agrees with checkout person at target dems are assholes. Bill maher is over the hill so he is irrelevant, Chris Matthews also. When Dems get critical of their party they get attacked by the woke. But you expect Rs to stand up to trump? Haha. But it’s all me. Got it lol. Correct topic.
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It’s official — the cringiest Democratic phrase of 2025 is “dark woke.”
Brat Summer, indeed, is over. No need to hear aging pundits contemplating the nature of Brat and what it all might mean for a British pop star to casually endorse Kamala Harris. Brat, with its bright, irreverent greens, is last year’s aesthetic. Now it’s all about dark woke, which is, if the media coverage is to be believed, all about Democrats cursing.
“It’s an attempt to step outside the bounds of the political correctness that Republicans have accused Democrats of establishing,” the New York Times recently reported. “And it requires being crass but discerning, rude but only to a point.”
The rationale is simple: Donald Trump ended political civility as we know it, and it’s time to get tough and be “real.” Some Democrats, like Texas Representative Jasmine Crockett, can adopt the posture with success because it seems authentic enough; they have the natural charisma to capture imaginations. Crockett called Greg Abbott, the wheelchair-bound Republican governor of Texas, “Governor Hot Wheels” and famously clashed with Marjorie Taylor Green, trading insults on the House floor that included the phrase “bleach blonde bad-built butch body.” Crockett is now a liberal darling and even made an appearance on Jimmy Kimmel.
The general profanity from other Democrats — the growing number of “fucks” and “shits” on the campaign trail and in online messaging — is wearying. Trump doesn’t seem authentic just because he curses occasionally; he retains a certain amount of gravity, even as his popularity slides, because few voters doubt he is the same person onstage that he is when he’s at dinner. There is one Trump, and he is never scripted.
It’s fine, of course, to have scripts. Trump is a WWE Hall of Famer, and no Democrat should be expected to ape that act. The real trouble with dark woke is that it’s a plainly false, calibrated attempt at gritty authenticity. It doesn’t mean anything or stand for anything. It’s not as if Bernie Sanders, drawing tens of thousands of people to his rallies against oligarchy, ever needs to drop an F-bomb to get his audiences excited. They come out for Sanders because they believe in his politics and vision and know he’s been an honest broker on the political scene for more than 30 years.
Sanders, unlike Trump, does not lie with impunity. But what he does share with Trump is the sense that he is who he is, regardless of the context or even the era. Profanity can be a political asset if it’s clear that this is how you’d always talk — either in front of a crowd or at home with friends. But it’s awkward and alienating when politicians decide, suddenly, they must dispense with decorum to catch up to Trump or appear, somehow, more prole-like.
The Democrats might recover somewhat with working-class voters in the short-term because Trump’s return to power has been so destabilizing. Trump is, in the interim, solving some of the Democrats’ messaging problems. But anti-Trump politics, as we learned in the 2010s, will only get a party so far. Democrats will need to figure out how to compete and win in the rural states that have swung so hard to the GOP. Republicans will lock down control of the Senate for the foreseeable future unless Democrats can win again in states where their brand is deeply damaged.
Can dark woke get the Democrats a Senate seat back in Ohio? What about Montana? Will enough name-calling put the Democrats in the mix in Missouri? It’s unlikely. A tough-talking affect is just that: an affect. It can work for a few politicians, but it’s a loser as a serious strategy for breaking through. Winning House, Senate, or presidential elections will be about policy, culture, and image; Democrats will have to convince the bulk of Americans that they should be trusted to help them live more affordable lives. They’ll have to become a mass party again with a tent large enough to include the voters who believe they lost the plot a long time ago.
At best, dark woke is a cheap trick. It offers shock value and allows Democrats to think they can suddenly make the Joe Rogan and Theo Von fan bases trust them again. But those kinds of voters — young, male, and politically heterodox — aren’t hunting for garden-variety Democrats who belch out “fuck” and “damn” every once in a while. Two Democrats who did, for a brief period, win them over were never known for their profanities: the aforementioned Sanders and Andrew Yang, who ran for president in 2020 and is no longer a Democrat. Sanders had Medicare for all and free college; Yang backed universal basic income, along with decriminalizing drugs and data-privacy rights. Like Sanders, Yang never seemed too practiced, and he cultivated a following that was drawn to his earnestness. There was nothing to fake. It’s a lesson all the 2028 candidates should take to heart. Find out who you are and be that person.
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Classic "whataboutism" that has little to nothing to do with what I said. Come on, man, keep up.
your maga is showing again.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
As for the prior two inaccurate commenters, there were many discussions from that guardian starmer/kamala article with the following title discussed often by me on the forum this week, thanks for paying attention..,
..
On wokeness, patriotism and change, Kamala Harris’s defeat has lessons for Starmer
people in the middle see the false attacks of my comments as an inability to engage honestly, to see things at face value further cementing their reputation as insufferable extremists, and they have a word for Dems, begins with an a and has seven letters..
democrat arrogance has prevented them from understanding several environmental errors, like billions wasted on poorly designed windmill farms, and dishonesty regarding plastic recycling and many other examples. Without smart communication, the Republicans can easily make Democrats look arrogant and aloof and that’s why they win general elections they have no business winning.
And you know the AMT reply is gonna be nonstop about the price of eggs and trump evil man, as the reason we lost. It’s just a party and a movement incapable of self reflection
right or wrong, the Rs were ready for this fight. This was their planned intitial Kamala attack and the dems were flat footed and unprepared. The Rs knew it would work, and she shrugged her shoulders instead of taking on the special interests in her party she showed the country she was not capable of representing from the middle.
You can care for the marginalized AND have sound policies that benefit the middle class. Its not running left or right or center, its connecting with these people. Woke isn't the problem, connection is. You can tell them Blacks and latinos and women and the disabled don't get a fair shake because of systemic racism/sexism/ableism AND say hey creating a more robust social safety net benefits everyone and makes for a stronger society. At the end of the day most people agree that we should treat each other fairly, but they want to see how they are taken care of too.
That said, if it's 2025 and you're unsure who has earned your vote, something tells me character is low on your priority list anyways.
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2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
Even a member here I used to believe was extremely reasonable, our friend from cali, targeted me specifically as he is sick of my one man cause. If wanting to find a reasonable middle ground in this toxic political climate is unbearable, that’s most emphatically not on me.
wash post has voters trusting Dems seven points less than trump. Shifty Schiff agrees with checkout person at target dems are assholes. Bill maher is over the hill so he is irrelevant, Chris Matthews also. When Dems get critical of their party they get attacked by the woke. But you expect Rs to stand up to trump? Haha. But it’s all me. Got it lol. Correct topic.
perspective of ones life is incredibly important, I have found.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
It’s official — the cringiest Democratic phrase of 2025 is “dark woke.”
The rationale is simple: Donald Trump ended political civility as we know it, and it’s time to get tough and be “real.” Some Democrats, like Texas Representative Jasmine Crockett, can adopt the posture with success because it seems authentic enough; they have the natural charisma to capture imaginations. Crockett called Greg Abbott, the wheelchair-bound Republican governor of Texas, “Governor Hot Wheels” and famously clashed with Marjorie Taylor Green, trading insults on the House floor that included the phrase “bleach blonde bad-built butch body.” Crockett is now a liberal darling and even made an appearance on Jimmy Kimmel.
Sanders, unlike Trump, does not lie with impunity. But what he does share with Trump is the sense that he is who he is, regardless of the context or even the era. Profanity can be a political asset if it’s clear that this is how you’d always talk — either in front of a crowd or at home with friends. But it’s awkward and alienating when politicians decide, suddenly, they must dispense with decorum to catch up to Trump or appear, somehow, more prole-like.
At best, dark woke is a cheap trick. It offers shock value and allows Democrats to think they can suddenly make the Joe Rogan and Theo Von fan bases trust them again. But those kinds of voters — young, male, and politically heterodox — aren’t hunting for garden-variety Democrats who belch out “fuck” and “damn” every once in a while. Two Democrats who did, for a brief period, win them over were never known for their profanities: the aforementioned Sanders and Andrew Yang, who ran for president in 2020 and is no longer a Democrat. Sanders had Medicare for all and free college; Yang backed universal basic income, along with decriminalizing drugs and data-privacy rights. Like Sanders, Yang never seemed too practiced, and he cultivated a following that was drawn to his earnestness. There was nothing to fake. It’s a lesson all the 2028 candidates should take to heart. Find out who you are and be that person.
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth