It doesn't really matter. The odds of either party making anything better is slim to one. Not sure everyone gets so behind politicians. Most of them just make things worse.
This is how people like Trump get elected.
It's just a plain wrong take.
I don't follow. It's it's the blind faith of people getting behind trump like he was their mythical fairy that was going to solve all their problems, that was the issue. I don't get people like that. I don't think I believe in either party enough to be devoted to one like that. I'd rather people be analytical and use critical thinking than think their politician is a golden god.
I'm sure lots of voters in the US felt this way so they just stayed home on election day. Or worse voted for Trump thinking both parties and leaders are the same, nothing will change.
The results are obvious.
Edit: after reading your last comment more carefully this response is more to your first comment that came off as apathetic.
I too am not married to any party, voted for all 3 major parties in my lifetime but it's been a long time since I've voted conservative, they've just been too crazy.
Yah I've always voted every Federal Party but NDP, but I have voted NDP Provincially BC.
I would never not vote. I've voted in every Provincial/Federal election since I was old enough to vote. I feel our situation in Canada is different. We don't have a crazy old senile man spouting his crazy plans, getting elected on them, and then carrying them out no matter how crazy they are.
It's one thing if you vote for a party and they make things a little better or a little worse. it's another thing if you vote for a guy that was pretty open about what he was going to do, it was awful, and you voted it anyways. I'm not going to vote Cons. in this election, but I don't think the party itself is MAGA level. I do struggle with their willingness to appease the small part of their BASE which has MAGA like tendencies, and it's probably what keeps me from being able to vote for them.
As I age, I feel I could lean more to the conservatives but not with the leadership they have been offering and as mentioned bowing to their base.
PP and Scheer were not viable to me, O'Toole was tolerable.
Come a little more to the middle and be willing to work with others and I may be swayed.
The promises they are currently making only apply to you if you have money to spend. Top up of TFSA, no GST on cars and 1.3 million dollar houses. I don't think the majority are in this position. Offer something that will be beneficial to everyone.
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It doesn't really matter. The odds of either party making anything better is slim to one. Not sure everyone gets so behind politicians. Most of them just make things worse.
This is how people like Trump get elected.
It's just a plain wrong take.
I don't follow. It's it's the blind faith of people getting behind trump like he was their mythical fairy that was going to solve all their problems, that was the issue. I don't get people like that. I don't think I believe in either party enough to be devoted to one like that. I'd rather people be analytical and use critical thinking than think their politician is a golden god.
I'm sure lots of voters in the US felt this way so they just stayed home on election day. Or worse voted for Trump thinking both parties and leaders are the same, nothing will change.
The results are obvious.
Edit: after reading your last comment more carefully this response is more to your first comment that came off as apathetic.
I too am not married to any party, voted for all 3 major parties in my lifetime but it's been a long time since I've voted conservative, they've just been too crazy.
Yah I've always voted every Federal Party but NDP, but I have voted NDP Provincially BC.
I would never not vote. I've voted in every Provincial/Federal election since I was old enough to vote. I feel our situation in Canada is different. We don't have a crazy old senile man spouting his crazy plans, getting elected on them, and then carrying them out no matter how crazy they are.
It's one thing if you vote for a party and they make things a little better or a little worse. it's another thing if you vote for a guy that was pretty open about what he was going to do, it was awful, and you voted it anyways. I'm not going to vote Cons. in this election, but I don't think the party itself is MAGA level. I do struggle with their willingness to appease the small part of their BASE which has MAGA like tendencies, and it's probably what keeps me from being able to vote for them.
Honestly, I think the conservatives base is MAGA. This isn't the party of progressive conservatives anymore. They've been fully taken over by the reform party movement back in the 90's. Similar to here in Alberta where the PC's have been fully taken over by the the Wildrose party, now the UCP.
All the moderates within the the conservative party sphere look to have been kicked to the curb.
I don't think we're far off politically from the dumpster fire in the US, we're just slower moving, but it's heading in that direction.
I hope we see what's going on down there and wake up and reject that path.
Billboards up in 12 red states explained by Canadian Foreign Minister Joly above.
I saw these all over Florida during spring break last week. I chuckled and said good for you Canada.
I can't say I appreciate this one in particular, because it doesn't make much sense. Since when did Americans fill their shopping carts with groceries imported from Canada? Groceries are one of the things that Americans would not be paying more for as a result of tarriffs against Canada. Any groceries that would be impacted from that would be easily replaced by American products, besides probably maple syrup. Canadians are the ones who would suffer higher grocery prices, not Americans.
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Billboards up in 12 red states explained by Canadian Foreign Minister Joly above.
I saw these all over Florida during spring break last week. I chuckled and said good for you Canada.
I can't say I appreciate this one in particular, because it doesn't make much sense. Since when did Americans fill their shopping carts with groceries imported from Canada? Groceries are one of the things that Americans would not be paying more for as a result of tarriffs against Canada. Any groceries that would be impacted from that would be easily replaced by American products, besides probably maple syrup. Canadians are the ones who would suffer higher grocery prices, not Americans.
$40B worth in 2023, mostly baked goods. Thanks for making us fat. Make that more expensive and it raises prices. Stop it all together, it raises prices via increased demand on domestic or other foreign supply. Beef, pork and canola oil, maybe wheat too, are all commodities traded on world markets. The US is not immune.
Billboards up in 12 red states explained by Canadian Foreign Minister Joly above.
I saw these all over Florida during spring break last week. I chuckled and said good for you Canada.
I can't say I appreciate this one in particular, because it doesn't make much sense. Since when did Americans fill their shopping carts with groceries imported from Canada? Groceries are one of the things that Americans would not be paying more for as a result of tarriffs against Canada. Any groceries that would be impacted from that would be easily replaced by American products, besides probably maple syrup. Canadians are the ones who would suffer higher grocery prices, not Americans.
$40B worth in 2023, mostly baked goods. Thanks for making us fat. Make that more expensive and it raises prices. Stop it all together, it raises prices via increased demand on domestic or other foreign supply. Beef, pork and canola oil, maybe wheat too, are all commodities traded on world markets. The US is not immune.
So no one’s gullible enough to believe that I honestly wanted the Liberals to put forward a good leader that I could seriously consider supporting (because everyone here knows what’s happening in my head better than I).
But apparently many, if not all but me, are clearly willingly gullible in swallowing Carney’s lies hook, line and sinker. All to serve what I can only call an irrational fear of conservatives and conservatism in general.
Still waiting for anyone to speak to the actual points I raised in my initial post on this.
I took you at your word. I doubted the premise until you said so.
Thank you.
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Poilievre is seen in Trois-Rivières, Que., earlier today. (Christopher Katsarov/The Canadian Press)
I’m a senior reporter covering the Conservative campaign this week.
We've seen unprecedented efforts at message control from the Poilievre campaign that have broken with tradition in a number of ways.
The CPC is the only party to bar media from its campaign plane and buses. The Stephen Harper, Andrew Scheer and Erin O'Toole campaigns all allowed media to travel with the leader, and charged sometimes exorbitant amounts of money for the privilege. The other parties do the same, and also charge.
Poilievre takes fewer questions than other leaders, a maximum of four per event, and insists on choosing which reporters are allowed to ask. After a week following the campaign, neither I nor my CBC colleague Tom Parry have been permitted to ask any questions.
Sometimes, CPC staffers try to get reporters to say what they plan to ask — a question a reporter is not supposed to answer. However, we have seen local media pressured into answering. Obviously, if a reporter declines, that could factor into the decision of who gets to ask questions at all.
The decision on who asks questions is always last-minute. A CPC staffer holds the microphone, ready to pull it away. No follow-up questions are permitted.
On occasion, CPC staffers have gotten physical with journalists, such as on the public wharf at Petty Harbour, N.L., where there was pushing and shoving.
Today, in Trois-Rivières, we asked to be allotted a question. Party staffers said yes, so long as it was asked by my colleague Tom Parry. We responded that I would prefer to ask it. At that point the party took away our question and gave it to another outlet.
The difficulty of trying to keep up with a campaign that has its own chartered aircraft is a logistical problem that can be mitigated to some extent. But the extreme message control makes it all but impossible to bring the same level of accountability to the Poilievre campaign that other campaigns are subject to. It also protects the campaign from having to answer tough questions and is a marked departure from previous Conservative campaigns I have covered.
Billboards up in 12 red states explained by Canadian Foreign Minister Joly above.
I saw these all over Florida during spring break last week. I chuckled and said good for you Canada.
My take for what it's worth.... my government spent my tax dollars to try to educate people who seemingly cannot be educated. This does not make me a happy Canadian. (no disrespect intended... it's just well... Trump, DeSantis... you get the idea.)
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Poilievre is seen in Trois-Rivières, Que., earlier today. (Christopher Katsarov/The Canadian Press)
I’m a senior reporter covering the Conservative campaign this week.
We've seen unprecedented efforts at message control from the Poilievre campaign that have broken with tradition in a number of ways.
The CPC is the only party to bar media from its campaign plane and buses. The Stephen Harper, Andrew Scheer and Erin O'Toole campaigns all allowed media to travel with the leader, and charged sometimes exorbitant amounts of money for the privilege. The other parties do the same, and also charge.
Poilievre takes fewer questions than other leaders, a maximum of four per event, and insists on choosing which reporters are allowed to ask. After a week following the campaign, neither I nor my CBC colleague Tom Parry have been permitted to ask any questions.
Sometimes, CPC staffers try to get reporters to say what they plan to ask — a question a reporter is not supposed to answer. However, we have seen local media pressured into answering. Obviously, if a reporter declines, that could factor into the decision of who gets to ask questions at all.
The decision on who asks questions is always last-minute. A CPC staffer holds the microphone, ready to pull it away. No follow-up questions are permitted.
On occasion, CPC staffers have gotten physical with journalists, such as on the public wharf at Petty Harbour, N.L., where there was pushing and shoving.
Today, in Trois-Rivières, we asked to be allotted a question. Party staffers said yes, so long as it was asked by my colleague Tom Parry. We responded that I would prefer to ask it. At that point the party took away our question and gave it to another outlet.
The difficulty of trying to keep up with a campaign that has its own chartered aircraft is a logistical problem that can be mitigated to some extent. But the extreme message control makes it all but impossible to bring the same level of accountability to the Poilievre campaign that other campaigns are subject to. It also protects the campaign from having to answer tough questions and is a marked departure from previous Conservative campaigns I have covered.
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PP and Scheer were not viable to me, O'Toole was tolerable.
Come a little more to the middle and be willing to work with others and I may be swayed.
The promises they are currently making only apply to you if you have money to spend.
Top up of TFSA, no GST on cars and 1.3 million dollar houses. I don't think the majority are in this position. Offer something that will be beneficial to everyone.
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2016: Quebec City, Ottawa, Toronto I, Toronto II
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2024: Vancouver I, Vancouver II
All the moderates within the the conservative party sphere look to have been kicked to the curb.
I don't think we're far off politically from the dumpster fire in the US, we're just slower moving, but it's heading in that direction.
I hope we see what's going on down there and wake up and reject that path.
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I can't say I appreciate this one in particular, because it doesn't make much sense. Since when did Americans fill their shopping carts with groceries imported from Canada?
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A dispatch from the Poilievre campaign
I’m a senior reporter covering the Conservative campaign this week.
We've seen unprecedented efforts at message control from the Poilievre campaign that have broken with tradition in a number of ways.
The CPC is the only party to bar media from its campaign plane and buses. The Stephen Harper, Andrew Scheer and Erin O'Toole campaigns all allowed media to travel with the leader, and charged sometimes exorbitant amounts of money for the privilege. The other parties do the same, and also charge.
Poilievre takes fewer questions than other leaders, a maximum of four per event, and insists on choosing which reporters are allowed to ask. After a week following the campaign, neither I nor my CBC colleague Tom Parry have been permitted to ask any questions.
Sometimes, CPC staffers try to get reporters to say what they plan to ask — a question a reporter is not supposed to answer. However, we have seen local media pressured into answering. Obviously, if a reporter declines, that could factor into the decision of who gets to ask questions at all.
The decision on who asks questions is always last-minute. A CPC staffer holds the microphone, ready to pull it away. No follow-up questions are permitted.
On occasion, CPC staffers have gotten physical with journalists, such as on the public wharf at Petty Harbour, N.L., where there was pushing and shoving.
Today, in Trois-Rivières, we asked to be allotted a question. Party staffers said yes, so long as it was asked by my colleague Tom Parry. We responded that I would prefer to ask it. At that point the party took away our question and gave it to another outlet.
The difficulty of trying to keep up with a campaign that has its own chartered aircraft is a logistical problem that can be mitigated to some extent. But the extreme message control makes it all but impossible to bring the same level of accountability to the Poilievre campaign that other campaigns are subject to. It also protects the campaign from having to answer tough questions and is a marked departure from previous Conservative campaigns I have covered.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/livestory/global-stocks-wiped-out-for-second-straight-day-as-trump-sends-markets-reeling-9.6711533#:~:text=Shared,-Update
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