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Evan Dyer
A dispatch from the Poilievre campaign
Poilievre is seen in Trois-Rivières, Que., earlier today. (Christopher Katsarov/The Canadian Press)I’m a senior reporter covering the Conservative campaign this week.
We've seen unprecedented efforts at message control from the Poilievre campaign that have broken with tradition in a number of ways.
The CPC is the only party to bar media from its campaign plane and buses. The Stephen Harper, Andrew Scheer and Erin O'Toole campaigns all allowed media to travel with the leader, and charged sometimes exorbitant amounts of money for the privilege. The other parties do the same, and also charge.
Poilievre takes fewer questions than other leaders, a maximum of four per event, and insists on choosing which reporters are allowed to ask. After a week following the campaign, neither I nor my CBC colleague Tom Parry have been permitted to ask any questions.
Sometimes, CPC staffers try to get reporters to say what they plan to ask — a question a reporter is not supposed to answer. However, we have seen local media pressured into answering. Obviously, if a reporter declines, that could factor into the decision of who gets to ask questions at all.
The decision on who asks questions is always last-minute. A CPC staffer holds the microphone, ready to pull it away. No follow-up questions are permitted.
On occasion, CPC staffers have gotten physical with journalists, such as on the public wharf at Petty Harbour, N.L., where there was pushing and shoving.
Today, in Trois-Rivières, we asked to be allotted a question. Party staffers said yes, so long as it was asked by my colleague Tom Parry. We responded that I would prefer to ask it. At that point the party took away our question and gave it to another outlet.
The difficulty of trying to keep up with a campaign that has its own chartered aircraft is a logistical problem that can be mitigated to some extent. But the extreme message control makes it all but impossible to bring the same level of accountability to the Poilievre campaign that other campaigns are subject to. It also protects the campaign from having to answer tough questions and is a marked departure from previous Conservative campaigns I have covered.
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My take for what it's worth.... my government spent my tax dollars to try to educate people who seemingly cannot be educated. This does not make me a happy Canadian. (no disrespect intended... it's just well... Trump, DeSantis... you get the idea.)tbergs said:
I saw these all over Florida during spring break last week. I chuckled and said good for you Canada.Spunkie said:https://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/canadian-government-billboards
Billboards up in 12 red states explained by Canadian Foreign Minister Joly above.
Toronto 2000
Buffalo, Phoenix, Toronto 2003
Boston I&II 2004
Kitchener, Hamilton, London, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto 2005
Toronto I&II, Las Vegas 2006
Chicago Lollapalooza 2007
Toronto, Seattle I&II, Vancouver, Philly I,II,III,IV 2009
Cleveland, Buffalo 2010
Toronto I&II 2011
Buffalo 2013
Toronto I&II 2016
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dignin said:Evan Dyer
A dispatch from the Poilievre campaign
Poilievre is seen in Trois-Rivières, Que., earlier today. (Christopher Katsarov/The Canadian Press)I’m a senior reporter covering the Conservative campaign this week.
We've seen unprecedented efforts at message control from the Poilievre campaign that have broken with tradition in a number of ways.
The CPC is the only party to bar media from its campaign plane and buses. The Stephen Harper, Andrew Scheer and Erin O'Toole campaigns all allowed media to travel with the leader, and charged sometimes exorbitant amounts of money for the privilege. The other parties do the same, and also charge.
Poilievre takes fewer questions than other leaders, a maximum of four per event, and insists on choosing which reporters are allowed to ask. After a week following the campaign, neither I nor my CBC colleague Tom Parry have been permitted to ask any questions.
Sometimes, CPC staffers try to get reporters to say what they plan to ask — a question a reporter is not supposed to answer. However, we have seen local media pressured into answering. Obviously, if a reporter declines, that could factor into the decision of who gets to ask questions at all.
The decision on who asks questions is always last-minute. A CPC staffer holds the microphone, ready to pull it away. No follow-up questions are permitted.
On occasion, CPC staffers have gotten physical with journalists, such as on the public wharf at Petty Harbour, N.L., where there was pushing and shoving.
Today, in Trois-Rivières, we asked to be allotted a question. Party staffers said yes, so long as it was asked by my colleague Tom Parry. We responded that I would prefer to ask it. At that point the party took away our question and gave it to another outlet.
The difficulty of trying to keep up with a campaign that has its own chartered aircraft is a logistical problem that can be mitigated to some extent. But the extreme message control makes it all but impossible to bring the same level of accountability to the Poilievre campaign that other campaigns are subject to. It also protects the campaign from having to answer tough questions and is a marked departure from previous Conservative campaigns I have covered.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
To expound on this…HughFreakingDillon said:trickle down tariff-nomics. basically tariffs on many different industries eventually affect food prices.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIEnWMlR2-3/?igsh=MW1hb2NjN251dmxnaA==
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Important information.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-carney-platform-shows-poilievre-was-right?tbref=hp
"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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Understandable. Red state voters won't take note of it anyway and ultimately it's there for imagery.Parksy said:
My take for what it's worth.... my government spent my tax dollars to try to educate people who seemingly cannot be educated. This does not make me a happy Canadian. (no disrespect intended... it's just well... Trump, DeSantis... you get the idea.)tbergs said:
I saw these all over Florida during spring break last week. I chuckled and said good for you Canada.Spunkie said:https://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/canadian-government-billboards
Billboards up in 12 red states explained by Canadian Foreign Minister Joly above.
I actually liked the piece that CBC's Andrew Chang did on the recent Tariffs.
https://youtu.be/PWhv-06DNjE?si=kpgapGV9lZwdaOQa It's a hopeless situation...0 -
Carney is trying to appeal to as many voters as possible. That’s smart. Cutting taxes isn’t an original idea. Claiming PP “was right” is kind of funny.DarthMaeglin said:By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Why the sudden change in policy by the Liberals?HughFreakingDillon said:
Carney is trying to appeal to as many voters as possible. That’s smart. Cutting taxes isn’t an original idea. Claiming PP “was right” is kind of funny.DarthMaeglin said:
And why is Carney allowed to complain about the last five years of Liberal rule without a whiff of irony about his being one of Dear Justin’s advisors?
This is again the Liberals getting a sense of the wind and saying anything to keep power. With his well-established record for lying and manipulating facts, can anything Carney says be trusted (and by extension the Liberal party)?"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 20220 -
What is it called when you take the other guy’s platform as your own? By most standards it’s an admission that the other person was right.HughFreakingDillon said:
Carney is trying to appeal to as many voters as possible. That’s smart. Cutting taxes isn’t an original idea. Claiming PP “was right” is kind of funny.DarthMaeglin said:"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 20220 -
And we definitely won’t be talking about the carbon bribes that the Liberals are greasing us up with, of course.
But the Doug Dough was definitely a bribe for the people of Ontario because he’s Conservative."The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 20220 -
I would agree if it was something more original. Tax cuts aren’t.DarthMaeglin said:
What is it called when you take the other guy’s platform as your own? By most standards it’s an admission that the other person was right.HughFreakingDillon said:
Carney is trying to appeal to as many voters as possible. That’s smart. Cutting taxes isn’t an original idea. Claiming PP “was right” is kind of funny.DarthMaeglin said:By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Cuz their approval rating was in the toilet maybe?DarthMaeglin said:
Why the sudden change in policy by the Liberals?HughFreakingDillon said:
Carney is trying to appeal to as many voters as possible. That’s smart. Cutting taxes isn’t an original idea. Claiming PP “was right” is kind of funny.DarthMaeglin said:
And why is Carney allowed to complain about the last five years of Liberal rule without a whiff of irony about his being one of Dear Justin’s advisors?
This is again the Liberals getting a sense of the wind and saying anything to keep power. With his well-established record for lying and manipulating facts, can anything Carney says be trusted (and by extension the Liberal party)?An advisor is just that-someone who advises another but ultimately is not the decision maker.All politicians get a sense of the wind. PP’s been doing this since day 1. He smelled the “we need someone like trump to lead us” blood in the water and ran with it. Now he’s sensing that wind change, so he’s trying to walk that stuff back. And he’s failing, as far as I can tell. We’ll know for sure on election night.Look, historically I haven’t been the type to excuse “my team” from misdeeds and lies, etc, but ever since the cons got all trumpy, I just can’t entertain voting for them. I know you’ve always tried to label JT as more trumpy than the right, but I, and I think most folks more objective than us (non-canadians), disagree with that.Put up a leader who doesn’t demonize immigrants, and “the left”, and I’d listen. Until then…By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
How insanely out of touch do you have to be to run an ad claiming “if you work hard you’ll be able to buy a nice home in a quiet neighborhood”. What an absolute slap in the face to low income households. Whoever approved that ad needs to lose their job.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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HughFreakingDillon said:How insanely out of touch do you have to be to run an ad claiming “if you work hard you’ll be able to buy a nice home in a quiet neighborhood”. What an absolute slap in the face to low income households. Whoever approved that ad needs to lose their job.
I agree. When I saw that ad I almost puked.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
The Conservatives tried putting forward reasonable leaders but Canadians kept voting for Trudeau’s bombastic bullshit so the CPC decided to match Trudeau’s preaching style. Has nothing to do with Trump, despite everyone’s unsupported insinuations. It’s cute how now the PM’s resume is suddenly relevant.HughFreakingDillon said:
Cuz their approval rating was in the toilet maybe?DarthMaeglin said:
Why the sudden change in policy by the Liberals?HughFreakingDillon said:
Carney is trying to appeal to as many voters as possible. That’s smart. Cutting taxes isn’t an original idea. Claiming PP “was right” is kind of funny.DarthMaeglin said:
And why is Carney allowed to complain about the last five years of Liberal rule without a whiff of irony about his being one of Dear Justin’s advisors?
This is again the Liberals getting a sense of the wind and saying anything to keep power. With his well-established record for lying and manipulating facts, can anything Carney says be trusted (and by extension the Liberal party)?An advisor is just that-someone who advises another but ultimately is not the decision maker.All politicians get a sense of the wind. PP’s been doing this since day 1. He smelled the “we need someone like trump to lead us” blood in the water and ran with it. Now he’s sensing that wind change, so he’s trying to walk that stuff back. And he’s failing, as far as I can tell. We’ll know for sure on election night.Look, historically I haven’t been the type to excuse “my team” from misdeeds and lies, etc, but ever since the cons got all trumpy, I just can’t entertain voting for them. I know you’ve always tried to label JT as more trumpy than the right, but I, and I think most folks more objective than us (non-canadians), disagree with that.Put up a leader who doesn’t demonize immigrants, and “the left”, and I’d listen. Until then…
Now events have turned and the Liberals went with a leader who has less charisma than Harper. By shuttering our democracy the Liberals also took away most of the attention from anything the other parties were trying to do. It was the Liberals who didn’t want a crisis to go unexploited when covid broke out, after all, and they have proven quite adept at manipulating the Canadian populace. Look at the continued hatred of your fellow citizens (the Freedom Convoy). They’re doing an excellent job of blurring the lines between Carney’s campaigning and his governing.
Do I get to laugh my ass off when others choose Carney as my Prime Minister and when his financials are finally disclosed you’ve elected a stooge for the Chinese government? That’s what I mean about voting for something, not just cock blocking someone else’s vote.
"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 20220 -
And I’m the one who’s biased, jeez Louise, own it, all of you.PJ_Soul said:HughFreakingDillon said:How insanely out of touch do you have to be to run an ad claiming “if you work hard you’ll be able to buy a nice home in a quiet neighborhood”. What an absolute slap in the face to low income households. Whoever approved that ad needs to lose their job.
I agree. When I saw that ad I almost puked."The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 20220 -
Why isn’t our esteemed national broadcaster running this story? It’s been out for hours now, with a reliable source making statements that seem to be factual.
https://torontosun.com/news/national/federal_elections/china-actively-promoting-carney-liberal-campaign-election-watchdog
Edit: Whaddaya know, they did put up a story about it just before noon, but it’s not bundled with the other election coverage and has worked its way down their main news page.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carney-wechat-china-1.7503711
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he inferred by that quip that if you can't afford a nice house in a decent neighbourhood, you arent' working hard enough. How is it biased to think that's a shitty thing to say?DarthMaeglin said:
And I’m the one who’s biased, jeez Louise, own it, all of you.PJ_Soul said:HughFreakingDillon said:How insanely out of touch do you have to be to run an ad claiming “if you work hard you’ll be able to buy a nice home in a quiet neighborhood”. What an absolute slap in the face to low income households. Whoever approved that ad needs to lose their job.
I agree. When I saw that ad I almost puked.
and why are you all of a sudden allowed to speak for others?Post edited by HughFreakingDillon onBy The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
maybe they want to confirm sources without just being the first with the headline?DarthMaeglin said:Why isn’t our esteemed national broadcaster running this story? It’s been out for hours now, with a reliable source making statements that seem to be factual.
https://torontosun.com/news/national/federal_elections/china-actively-promoting-carney-liberal-campaign-election-watchdog
Edit: Whaddaya know, they did put up a story about it just before noon, but it’s not bundled with the other election coverage and has worked its way down their main news page.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carney-wechat-china-1.7503711By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
if the whole deal for you is an "I told you so", laugh away.DarthMaeglin said:
The Conservatives tried putting forward reasonable leaders but Canadians kept voting for Trudeau’s bombastic bullshit so the CPC decided to match Trudeau’s preaching style. Has nothing to do with Trump, despite everyone’s unsupported insinuations. It’s cute how now the PM’s resume is suddenly relevant.HughFreakingDillon said:
Cuz their approval rating was in the toilet maybe?DarthMaeglin said:
Why the sudden change in policy by the Liberals?HughFreakingDillon said:
Carney is trying to appeal to as many voters as possible. That’s smart. Cutting taxes isn’t an original idea. Claiming PP “was right” is kind of funny.DarthMaeglin said:
And why is Carney allowed to complain about the last five years of Liberal rule without a whiff of irony about his being one of Dear Justin’s advisors?
This is again the Liberals getting a sense of the wind and saying anything to keep power. With his well-established record for lying and manipulating facts, can anything Carney says be trusted (and by extension the Liberal party)?An advisor is just that-someone who advises another but ultimately is not the decision maker.All politicians get a sense of the wind. PP’s been doing this since day 1. He smelled the “we need someone like trump to lead us” blood in the water and ran with it. Now he’s sensing that wind change, so he’s trying to walk that stuff back. And he’s failing, as far as I can tell. We’ll know for sure on election night.Look, historically I haven’t been the type to excuse “my team” from misdeeds and lies, etc, but ever since the cons got all trumpy, I just can’t entertain voting for them. I know you’ve always tried to label JT as more trumpy than the right, but I, and I think most folks more objective than us (non-canadians), disagree with that.Put up a leader who doesn’t demonize immigrants, and “the left”, and I’d listen. Until then…
Now events have turned and the Liberals went with a leader who has less charisma than Harper. By shuttering our democracy the Liberals also took away most of the attention from anything the other parties were trying to do. It was the Liberals who didn’t want a crisis to go unexploited when covid broke out, after all, and they have proven quite adept at manipulating the Canadian populace. Look at the continued hatred of your fellow citizens (the Freedom Convoy). They’re doing an excellent job of blurring the lines between Carney’s campaigning and his governing.
Do I get to laugh my ass off when others choose Carney as my Prime Minister and when his financials are finally disclosed you’ve elected a stooge for the Chinese government? That’s what I mean about voting for something, not just cock blocking someone else’s vote.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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