Canadian Politics Redux

HughFreakingDillon

my vote for carney is a vote against PP. Plain and simple. 

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

PJ_Soul said:

I simply cannot believe that you ever would have voted for Carney, no matter what happened.

HughFreakingDillon said:

I was actually going to say that yesterday. No chance you'd vote for liberals after the justin years. 

The Carney Liberals aren’t far removed from the Justin Liberals in terms of overall policies. Carney still hasn’t explained how eliminating the consumer carbon tax (with a VERY Trumpian ceremony it should be noted) prevents the industrial polluters from passing their taxes down to us the consumers.

Regardless of where I sit, are you ok with Carney’s seeming facility for blatant duplicity? Examples noted above, which you both didn’t touch, instead offering opinions about me.

Despite what you think, I did hope the Liberals would win me back. Carney was about as far from the right person as the party could have gone. Of the field that was left in the race I had been hoping Karina Gould would have won.

I don't know enough about what you posted to comment. Sometimes I don't comment because I'm not educated enough to, not because I'm ignoring you personally. 

And just stating an opinion that I didn't think it was ever in the cards for you to vote liberal wasn't an attack. I would just find it surprising that you'd even consider it, knowing that policy won't change that much. 

Fair enough, but why not ask me the question instead of stating an assumption?

HughFreakingDillon

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

PJ_Soul said:

I simply cannot believe that you ever would have voted for Carney, no matter what happened.

HughFreakingDillon said:

I was actually going to say that yesterday. No chance you'd vote for liberals after the justin years. 

The Carney Liberals aren’t far removed from the Justin Liberals in terms of overall policies. Carney still hasn’t explained how eliminating the consumer carbon tax (with a VERY Trumpian ceremony it should be noted) prevents the industrial polluters from passing their taxes down to us the consumers.

Regardless of where I sit, are you ok with Carney’s seeming facility for blatant duplicity? Examples noted above, which you both didn’t touch, instead offering opinions about me.

Despite what you think, I did hope the Liberals would win me back. Carney was about as far from the right person as the party could have gone. Of the field that was left in the race I had been hoping Karina Gould would have won.

I don't know enough about what you posted to comment. Sometimes I don't comment because I'm not educated enough to, not because I'm ignoring you personally. 

And just stating an opinion that I didn't think it was ever in the cards for you to vote liberal wasn't an attack. I would just find it surprising that you'd even consider it, knowing that policy won't change that much. 

Fair enough, but why not ask me the question instead of stating an assumption?

because you specifically stated that was the nail in the coffin, that you wouldn't vote carney. 

"would you EVER have voted for carney?"
"I assume you wouldn't have voted for carney"

sure, the first one is a question, but the assumption is implied, rather than implicitly stated as I did in the second one. 

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

my vote for carney is a vote against PP. Plain and simple. 

Then you’ll end up with the government you deserve, one way or another, and it probably won’t be the government you want or need, either way it goes.

If I were voting against a party, that would virtually lock my vote in for the Conservatives to prevent the NDP from ever forming government federally.

 But I choose instead to vote for the party that most closely aligns with my concerns and I look at 3 pillars: law & order, military and the economy. Any other policies are worthy of interest but those are my fundamental issues.

Over 30-some years of following our politics more often than not the Conservatives have a better track record on my big 3, especially law & order. But as I’ve said before I don’t belong to any political party and try to work to keep my vote beholden to no one.

I’ll admit that on this forum at least I don’t feel any need to criticize PP and the Conservatives since so many others are incredibly eager to do so, at which point I’ll point back to my first paragraph in this post.

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

PJ_Soul said:

I simply cannot believe that you ever would have voted for Carney, no matter what happened.

HughFreakingDillon said:

I was actually going to say that yesterday. No chance you'd vote for liberals after the justin years. 

The Carney Liberals aren’t far removed from the Justin Liberals in terms of overall policies. Carney still hasn’t explained how eliminating the consumer carbon tax (with a VERY Trumpian ceremony it should be noted) prevents the industrial polluters from passing their taxes down to us the consumers.

Regardless of where I sit, are you ok with Carney’s seeming facility for blatant duplicity? Examples noted above, which you both didn’t touch, instead offering opinions about me.

Despite what you think, I did hope the Liberals would win me back. Carney was about as far from the right person as the party could have gone. Of the field that was left in the race I had been hoping Karina Gould would have won.

I don't know enough about what you posted to comment. Sometimes I don't comment because I'm not educated enough to, not because I'm ignoring you personally. 

And just stating an opinion that I didn't think it was ever in the cards for you to vote liberal wasn't an attack. I would just find it surprising that you'd even consider it, knowing that policy won't change that much. 

Fair enough, but why not ask me the question instead of stating an assumption?

because you specifically stated that was the nail in the coffin, that you wouldn't vote carney. 

"would you EVER have voted for carney?"
"I assume you wouldn't have voted for carney"

sure, the first one is a question, but the assumption is implied, rather than implicitly stated as I did in the second one. 

I think as I explained myself it’s been clear that I did hope Carney would prove to be a viable alternative. But you still haven’t disputed any of the points I made against Carney. If you’re not yet aware of those allegations then look into them before you vote is all I ask.

So, would I have ever voted for Carney? Maybe, but he’s taken himself out of the running since his anointment (insert joke yet again about wondering how many underage Chinese citizens voted for Carney?). Like Paul Chiang he looks good on paper, but when he’s observed over time he’s something else.

HughFreakingDillon

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

my vote for carney is a vote against PP. Plain and simple. 

Then you’ll end up with the government you deserve, one way or another, and it probably won’t be the government you want or need, either way it goes.

If I were voting against a party, that would virtually lock my vote in for the Conservatives to prevent the NDP from ever forming government federally.

 But I choose instead to vote for the party that most closely aligns with my concerns and I look at 3 pillars: law & order, military and the economy. Any other policies are worthy of interest but those are my fundamental issues.

Over 30-some years of following our politics more often than not the Conservatives have a better track record on my big 3, especially law & order. But as I’ve said before I don’t belong to any political party and try to work to keep my vote beholden to no one.

I’ll admit that on this forum at least I don’t feel any need to criticize PP and the Conservatives since so many others are incredibly eager to do so, at which point I’ll point back to my first paragraph in this post.

how do you figure that?

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

my vote for carney is a vote against PP. Plain and simple. 

Then you’ll end up with the government you deserve, one way or another, and it probably won’t be the government you want or need, either way it goes.

If I were voting against a party, that would virtually lock my vote in for the Conservatives to prevent the NDP from ever forming government federally.

 But I choose instead to vote for the party that most closely aligns with my concerns and I look at 3 pillars: law & order, military and the economy. Any other policies are worthy of interest but those are my fundamental issues.

Over 30-some years of following our politics more often than not the Conservatives have a better track record on my big 3, especially law & order. But as I’ve said before I don’t belong to any political party and try to work to keep my vote beholden to no one.

I’ll admit that on this forum at least I don’t feel any need to criticize PP and the Conservatives since so many others are incredibly eager to do so, at which point I’ll point back to my first paragraph in this post.

how do you figure that?

The Law of Unintended Consequences.

Parksy

HughFreakingDillon said:

my vote for carney is a vote against PP. Plain and simple. 

sucks.. but I'm in the same boat presently. I don't consider myself a liberal or Carney fan per se.  But one thing I do know for sure, I cringe every time I think of Pierre as PM. 

That said... should he win the election.. I can't see him being worse than Trudeau by a long shot.  (Time will tell) 

Original_Shifty

Parksy said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

my vote for carney is a vote against PP. Plain and simple. 

sucks.. but I'm in the same boat presently. I don't consider myself a liberal or Carney fan per se.  But one thing I do know for sure, I cringe every time I think of Pierre as PM. 

That said... should he win the election.. I can't see him being worse than Trudeau by a long shot.  (Time will tell) 

I don't know. If he aligns himself with the orange man, PP could be much much worse than Trudeau.

HughFreakingDillon

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

my vote for carney is a vote against PP. Plain and simple. 

Then you’ll end up with the government you deserve, one way or another, and it probably won’t be the government you want or need, either way it goes.

If I were voting against a party, that would virtually lock my vote in for the Conservatives to prevent the NDP from ever forming government federally.

 But I choose instead to vote for the party that most closely aligns with my concerns and I look at 3 pillars: law & order, military and the economy. Any other policies are worthy of interest but those are my fundamental issues.

Over 30-some years of following our politics more often than not the Conservatives have a better track record on my big 3, especially law & order. But as I’ve said before I don’t belong to any political party and try to work to keep my vote beholden to no one.

I’ll admit that on this forum at least I don’t feel any need to criticize PP and the Conservatives since so many others are incredibly eager to do so, at which point I’ll point back to my first paragraph in this post.

how do you figure that?

The Law of Unintended Consequences.

speaking of assumptions...

just trying to unpack this:

so you're saying it's the intent behind my vote that will determine whether I'm happy with it or not? that sounds a little...silly. 

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

my vote for carney is a vote against PP. Plain and simple. 

Then you’ll end up with the government you deserve, one way or another, and it probably won’t be the government you want or need, either way it goes.

If I were voting against a party, that would virtually lock my vote in for the Conservatives to prevent the NDP from ever forming government federally.

 But I choose instead to vote for the party that most closely aligns with my concerns and I look at 3 pillars: law & order, military and the economy. Any other policies are worthy of interest but those are my fundamental issues.

Over 30-some years of following our politics more often than not the Conservatives have a better track record on my big 3, especially law & order. But as I’ve said before I don’t belong to any political party and try to work to keep my vote beholden to no one.

I’ll admit that on this forum at least I don’t feel any need to criticize PP and the Conservatives since so many others are incredibly eager to do so, at which point I’ll point back to my first paragraph in this post.

how do you figure that?

The Law of Unintended Consequences.

speaking of assumptions...

just trying to unpack this:

so you're saying it's the intent behind my vote that will determine whether I'm happy with it or not? that sounds a little...silly. 

I’m saying be careful you don’t elect someone worse just to negate my vote.

My own voting experience is that my representation in government doesn’t align with my own vote. But by voting FOR something as opposed to voting to counter others votes at the end I can live with myself and whatever the result may be.

HughFreakingDillon

that still doesn't make sense. why would I vote for someone who I thought could be worse just to negate someone else's vote? I'm voting carney cuz I can't vote for PP. And I won't vote Singh. 

if I thought carney was "bad" I either would vote Green or not at all. 

dignin

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

my vote for carney is a vote against PP. Plain and simple. 

Then you’ll end up with the government you deserve, one way or another

I sure hope that's the case.

And none of us are that gullible to believe you were ever considering Carney.

DarthMaeglin

dignin said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

my vote for carney is a vote against PP. Plain and simple. 

Then you’ll end up with the government you deserve, one way or another

I sure hope that's the case.

And none of us are that gullible to believe you were ever considering Carney.

Fine, be glib then call me a liar. Really moves the discussion forward. Fuck you.

DarthMaeglin

dignin said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

my vote for carney is a vote against PP. Plain and simple. 

Then you’ll end up with the government you deserve, one way or another

I sure hope that's the case.

And none of us are that gullible to believe you were ever considering Carney.

I guess there never really was a chance I’d vote for Carney, you’re right, because he was already a proven liar by the time he was anointed.

Will anyone speak to the points I have presented?

dignin

DarthMaeglin said:

dignin said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

my vote for carney is a vote against PP. Plain and simple. 

Then you’ll end up with the government you deserve, one way or another

I sure hope that's the case.

And none of us are that gullible to believe you were ever considering Carney.

Fine, be glib then call me a liar. Really moves the discussion forward. Fuck you.

Come on man, you've been on the PP train ever since he bought coffee for the convoy clowns.

You go vote for the guy who has the paper thin resume with little accomplishments to his name.

I've got no patience for BS anymore.

Zod

It doesn't really matter.   The odds of either party making anything better is slim to one.  Not sure everyone gets so behind politicians.  Most of them just make things worse.

HughFreakingDillon

Zod said:

It doesn't really matter.   The odds of either party making anything better is slim to one.  Not sure everyone gets so behind politicians.  Most of them just make things worse.

I think PP would make things much worse-er. 😂 

He’s trying to walk that line of acting like trump but trying to act like he’d stand up to him. Carney’s already shown me his big middle finger to trump, and I fucking loved it. 

LaFleur

This is beautiful....

dignin

Zod said:

It doesn't really matter.   The odds of either party making anything better is slim to one.  Not sure everyone gets so behind politicians.  Most of them just make things worse.

This is how people like Trump get elected.

It's just a plain wrong take.