Canadian Politics Redux

DarthMaeglin

So no one’s gullible enough to believe that I honestly wanted the Liberals to put forward a good leader that I could seriously consider supporting (because everyone here knows what’s happening in my head better than I).

But apparently many, if not all but me, are clearly willingly gullible in swallowing Carney’s lies hook, line and sinker. All to serve what I can only call an irrational fear of conservatives and conservatism in general.

Still waiting for anyone to speak to the actual points I raised in my initial post on this.

DarthMaeglin

How safe do Chinese Canadians feel in Carney’s Canada given that Carney framed Chiang’s comments as a “teachable moment” (where have we heard that phrase before? Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.)? What a leader Carney is, haha.

erebus

You appear to have Trudeau/Liberal derangement syndrome. 

I do applaud you for sticking to who you actually want to vote for.

I really belive we would have a better system and voted for who we really wanted if we had changed to proportional representation or another system, not the current first past the post.

I know,  another broken Liberal promise, but I have not heard the conservatives talking about this ever

Parksy

Original_Shifty said:

Parksy said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

my vote for carney is a vote against PP. Plain and simple. 

sucks.. but I'm in the same boat presently. I don't consider myself a liberal or Carney fan per se.  But one thing I do know for sure, I cringe every time I think of Pierre as PM. 

That said... should he win the election.. I can't see him being worse than Trudeau by a long shot.  (Time will tell) 

I don't know. If he aligns himself with the orange man, PP could be much much worse than Trudeau.

I can only hope and surmise that I'm correct about this...  should Pierre win and he 'aligns' himself with Trump... Canadians will revolt. 

HughFreakingDillon

DarthMaeglin said:

So no one’s gullible enough to believe that I honestly wanted the Liberals to put forward a good leader that I could seriously consider supporting (because everyone here knows what’s happening in my head better than I).

But apparently many, if not all but me, are clearly willingly gullible in swallowing Carney’s lies hook, line and sinker. All to serve what I can only call an irrational fear of conservatives and conservatism in general.

Still waiting for anyone to speak to the actual points I raised in my initial post on this.

I took you at your word. I doubted the premise until you said so. 

HughFreakingDillon

freedumb convoy news:

Chris Barber, Tamara Lich found guilty of mischief for roles in Freedom Convoy

dignin

HughFreakingDillon said:

freedumb convoy news:

Chris Barber, Tamara Lich found guilty of mischief for roles in Freedom Convoy

"Lich told CBC News last year that she would appeal appeal a guilty verdict."

Of course she would, gotta keep the grift going.

jhager79

DarthMaeglin said:

So no one’s gullible enough to believe that I honestly wanted the Liberals to put forward a good leader that I could seriously consider supporting (because everyone here knows what’s happening in my head better than I).

But apparently many, if not all but me, are clearly willingly gullible in swallowing Carney’s lies hook, line and sinker. All to serve what I can only call an irrational fear of conservatives and conservatism in general.

Still waiting for anyone to speak to the actual points I raised in my initial post on this.

I believe Mr Carney is going to be worse for Canada than what’s happened the past 9 years 

Zod

dignin said:

Zod said:

It doesn't really matter.   The odds of either party making anything better is slim to one.  Not sure everyone gets so behind politicians.  Most of them just make things worse.

This is how people like Trump get elected.

It's just a plain wrong take. 

I don't follow.  It's it's the blind faith of people getting behind trump like he was their mythical fairy that was going to solve all their problems, that was the issue.  I don't get people like that.  I don't think I believe in either party enough to be devoted to one like that.   I'd rather people be analytical and use critical thinking than think their politician is a golden god.

dignin

Zod said:

dignin said:

Zod said:

It doesn't really matter.   The odds of either party making anything better is slim to one.  Not sure everyone gets so behind politicians.  Most of them just make things worse.

This is how people like Trump get elected.

It's just a plain wrong take. 

I don't follow.  It's it's the blind faith of people getting behind trump like he was their mythical fairy that was going to solve all their problems, that was the issue.  I don't get people like that.  I don't think I believe in either party enough to be devoted to one like that.   I'd rather people be analytical and use critical thinking than think their politician is a golden god.

I'm sure lots of voters in the US felt this way so they just stayed home on election day. Or worse voted for Trump thinking both parties and leaders are the same, nothing will change.

The results are obvious.

Edit: after reading your last comment more carefully this response is more to your first comment that came off as apathetic.

I too am not married to any party, voted for all 3 major parties in my lifetime but it's been a long time since I've voted conservative, they've just been too crazy.

Zod

dignin said:

Zod said:

dignin said:

Zod said:

It doesn't really matter.   The odds of either party making anything better is slim to one.  Not sure everyone gets so behind politicians.  Most of them just make things worse.

This is how people like Trump get elected.

It's just a plain wrong take. 

I don't follow.  It's it's the blind faith of people getting behind trump like he was their mythical fairy that was going to solve all their problems, that was the issue.  I don't get people like that.  I don't think I believe in either party enough to be devoted to one like that.   I'd rather people be analytical and use critical thinking than think their politician is a golden god.

I'm sure lots of voters in the US felt this way so they just stayed home on election day. Or worse voted for Trump thinking both parties and leaders are the same, nothing will change.

The results are obvious.

Edit: after reading your last comment more carefully this response is more to your first comment that came off as apathetic.

I too am not married to any party, voted for all 3 major parties in my lifetime but it's been a long time since I've voted conservative, they've just been too crazy.

Yah I've always voted every Federal Party but NDP, but I have voted NDP Provincially BC. 

I would never not vote.  I've voted in every Provincial/Federal election since I was old enough to vote.  I feel our situation in Canada is different.  We don't have a crazy old senile man spouting his crazy plans, getting elected on them, and then carrying them out no matter how crazy they are.

It's one thing if you vote for a party and they make things a little better or a little worse.  it's another thing if you vote for a guy that was pretty open about what he was going to do, it was awful, and you voted it anyways.   I'm not going to vote Cons. in this election, but I don't think the party itself is MAGA level.  I do struggle with their willingness to appease the small part of their BASE which has MAGA like tendencies, and it's probably what keeps me from being able to vote for them.

erebus

As I age, I feel I could lean more to the conservatives but not with the leadership they have been offering and as mentioned bowing to their base.

PP and Scheer were not viable to me, O'Toole was tolerable.

Come a little more to the middle and be willing to work with others and I may be swayed.

The promises they are currently making only apply to you if you have money to spend.
Top up of TFSA, no GST on cars and 1.3 million dollar houses. I don't think the majority are in this position. Offer something that will be beneficial to everyone. 

dignin

Zod said:

dignin said:

Zod said:

dignin said:

Zod said:

It doesn't really matter.   The odds of either party making anything better is slim to one.  Not sure everyone gets so behind politicians.  Most of them just make things worse.

This is how people like Trump get elected.

It's just a plain wrong take. 

I don't follow.  It's it's the blind faith of people getting behind trump like he was their mythical fairy that was going to solve all their problems, that was the issue.  I don't get people like that.  I don't think I believe in either party enough to be devoted to one like that.   I'd rather people be analytical and use critical thinking than think their politician is a golden god.

I'm sure lots of voters in the US felt this way so they just stayed home on election day. Or worse voted for Trump thinking both parties and leaders are the same, nothing will change.

The results are obvious.

Edit: after reading your last comment more carefully this response is more to your first comment that came off as apathetic.

I too am not married to any party, voted for all 3 major parties in my lifetime but it's been a long time since I've voted conservative, they've just been too crazy.

Yah I've always voted every Federal Party but NDP, but I have voted NDP Provincially BC. 

I would never not vote.  I've voted in every Provincial/Federal election since I was old enough to vote.  I feel our situation in Canada is different.  We don't have a crazy old senile man spouting his crazy plans, getting elected on them, and then carrying them out no matter how crazy they are.

It's one thing if you vote for a party and they make things a little better or a little worse.  it's another thing if you vote for a guy that was pretty open about what he was going to do, it was awful, and you voted it anyways.   I'm not going to vote Cons. in this election, but I don't think the party itself is MAGA level.  I do struggle with their willingness to appease the small part of their BASE which has MAGA like tendencies, and it's probably what keeps me from being able to vote for them.

Honestly, I think the conservatives base is MAGA. This isn't the party of progressive conservatives anymore. They've been fully taken over by the reform party movement back in the 90's. Similar to here in Alberta where the PC's have been fully taken over by the the Wildrose party, now the UCP.

All the moderates within the the conservative party sphere look to have been kicked to the curb.

I don't think we're far off politically from the dumpster fire in the US, we're just slower moving, but it's heading in that direction.

I hope we see what's going on down there and wake up and reject that path.

HughFreakingDillon

I feel like we did reject electing a rich carnival barker when that Shark Tank douche made a run and was laughed out of the race. 

But the division is growing. People just viscerally hate the “other side” and critical thought is lost on many. 

tbergs

Spunkie said:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/canadian-government-billboards

Billboards up in 12 red states explained by Canadian Foreign Minister Joly above.

I saw these all over Florida during spring break last week. I chuckled and said good for you Canada.

PJ_Soul

tbergs said:

Spunkie said:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/canadian-government-billboards

Billboards up in 12 red states explained by Canadian Foreign Minister Joly above.

I saw these all over Florida during spring break last week. I chuckled and said good for you Canada.

I can't say I appreciate this one in particular, because it doesn't make much sense. Since when did Americans fill their shopping carts with groceries imported from Canada? Groceries are one of the things that Americans would not be paying more for as a result of tarriffs against Canada. Any groceries that would be impacted from that would be easily replaced by American products, besides probably maple syrup. Canadians are the ones who would suffer higher grocery prices, not Americans.

HughFreakingDillon

trickle down tariff-nomics. basically tariffs on many different industries eventually affect food prices. 

Halifax2TheMax

PJ_Soul said:

tbergs said:

Spunkie said:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/canadian-government-billboards

Billboards up in 12 red states explained by Canadian Foreign Minister Joly above.

I saw these all over Florida during spring break last week. I chuckled and said good for you Canada.

I can't say I appreciate this one in particular, because it doesn't make much sense. Since when did Americans fill their shopping carts with groceries imported from Canada? Groceries are one of the things that Americans would not be paying more for as a result of tarriffs against Canada. Any groceries that would be impacted from that would be easily replaced by American products, besides probably maple syrup. Canadians are the ones who would suffer higher grocery prices, not Americans.

$40B worth in 2023, mostly baked goods. Thanks for making us fat. Make that more expensive and it raises prices. Stop it all together, it raises prices via increased demand on domestic or other foreign supply. Beef, pork and canola oil, maybe wheat too, are all commodities traded on world markets. The US is not immune.

LaFleur

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJ_Soul said:

tbergs said:

Spunkie said:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/canadian-government-billboards

Billboards up in 12 red states explained by Canadian Foreign Minister Joly above.

I saw these all over Florida during spring break last week. I chuckled and said good for you Canada.

I can't say I appreciate this one in particular, because it doesn't make much sense. Since when did Americans fill their shopping carts with groceries imported from Canada? Groceries are one of the things that Americans would not be paying more for as a result of tarriffs against Canada. Any groceries that would be impacted from that would be easily replaced by American products, besides probably maple syrup. Canadians are the ones who would suffer higher grocery prices, not Americans.

$40B worth in 2023, mostly baked goods. Thanks for making us fat. Make that more expensive and it raises prices. Stop it all together, it raises prices via increased demand on domestic or other foreign supply. Beef, pork and canola oil, maybe wheat too, are all commodities traded on world markets. The US is not immune.

Not mention the potash

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

So no one’s gullible enough to believe that I honestly wanted the Liberals to put forward a good leader that I could seriously consider supporting (because everyone here knows what’s happening in my head better than I).

But apparently many, if not all but me, are clearly willingly gullible in swallowing Carney’s lies hook, line and sinker. All to serve what I can only call an irrational fear of conservatives and conservatism in general.

Still waiting for anyone to speak to the actual points I raised in my initial post on this.

I took you at your word. I doubted the premise until you said so. 

Thank you.