F2F is OPEN

SHZA · January 4

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub. Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club? I would love to see that.

How can they tell that the seller on stubhub is a 10c member? Maybe the situation is that a 10club member did coordinate a drop and it was purchased by a bot/scalper.

All for a change in the process though

Yea another person pointed that out. Would have to be immediate I guess. I know it's never happening, just a hypothetical.

I doubt anything is going to change, this new TM method just made 10c more valuable. They could do more and vett the membership. Weed out all the scalpers with fake memberships.

Or, since the membership is completely useless and just a money grab, they could simply stop with the fake holier than thou crap and just let supply and demand handle it for them. I mean how out of touch can they be to think someone would willingly pay $900 per ticket to sit in the worst spot in the arena? They obviously couldn't give AF less about 10c members.

How is the membership completely useless? Getting tickets through the membership lotteries is probably the less stress inducing method in getting tickets including GA.

The promoter isn’t willing to let them have a whole arena of 10c holders.

Concert ticket game has changed, the best methods that work so far are being on F2F consistently up until the day of the show, waiting for ticket drops the day of the show and coordinating a trade.

However, a lot of people in their fanbase aren’t willing to do that for various reasons.

My pet peeve is if you are coordinating a trade with a fellow 10C member we should be able to transfer tickets or have more protections on F2F to avoid bots/scalpers grabbing them.

There's zero value in the 10c. It’s not 2005. Times have changed and greed is at an all new level. Taking the money of tens of thousands of people and "allowing" a select handful of "lottery" winners to purchase tickets, isn't useful. The fact is, 90% of the tickets end up scalped in one way or another. They should just stop with the charade and let the free market handle it from there. The current system is the worst thing ever. Again, $900 for the worst seat in the house? Meanwhile there's a show on this tour that they can't give tickets away for. Half the arena can't sell at face value. It was run better 25 years ago than it is now.

Ok, so give up your membership, opportunity to GA and allow the members that grind it out more chances at winning GAs and tickets.

I

Already done, but it’s not going to help other 10c members. The bots and scalpers get most of the 10c "lottery" tickets as well. This system has been corrupt for a while now. Again, there's not much value because there's really no chance of "winning" anything. If they just stopped with the bot monopoly and went strictly with a free market, supply and demand system, Raleigh N2 would be selling for $50 a seat, Hollywood for maybe $500 and Pitt in the $275 range. Overcomplicating it and overpricing trash seats to $900 to try and fake the level of demand is moronic at best.

How does it not help, if you and 10,000 other boomers left the club and just saw pearl jam casually, it will help my chances in the lottery.

Don’t act so entitled, the band doesn’t know your name.

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub. Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club? I would love to see that.

How can they tell that the seller on stubhub is a 10c member? Maybe the situation is that a 10club member did coordinate a drop and it was purchased by a bot/scalper.

All for a change in the process though

Yea another person pointed that out. Would have to be immediate I guess. I know it's never happening, just a hypothetical.

I doubt anything is going to change, this new TM method just made 10c more valuable. They could do more and vett the membership. Weed out all the scalpers with fake memberships.

Or, since the membership is completely useless and just a money grab, they could simply stop with the fake holier than thou crap and just let supply and demand handle it for them. I mean how out of touch can they be to think someone would willingly pay $900 per ticket to sit in the worst spot in the arena? They obviously couldn't give AF less about 10c members.

How is the membership completely useless? Getting tickets through the membership lotteries is probably the less stress inducing method in getting tickets including GA.

The promoter isn’t willing to let them have a whole arena of 10c holders.

Concert ticket game has changed, the best methods that work so far are being on F2F consistently up until the day of the show, waiting for ticket drops the day of the show and coordinating a trade.

However, a lot of people in their fanbase aren’t willing to do that for various reasons.

My pet peeve is if you are coordinating a trade with a fellow 10C member we should be able to transfer tickets or have more protections on F2F to avoid bots/scalpers grabbing them.

There's zero value in the 10c. It’s not 2005. Times have changed and greed is at an all new level. Taking the money of tens of thousands of people and "allowing" a select handful of "lottery" winners to purchase tickets, isn't useful. The fact is, 90% of the tickets end up scalped in one way or another. They should just stop with the charade and let the free market handle it from there. The current system is the worst thing ever. Again, $900 for the worst seat in the house? Meanwhile there's a show on this tour that they can't give tickets away for. Half the arena can't sell at face value. It was run better 25 years ago than it is now.

Ok, so give up your membership, opportunity to GA and allow the members that grind it out more chances at winning GAs and tickets.

I

Already done, but it’s not going to help other 10c members. The bots and scalpers get most of the 10c "lottery" tickets as well. This system has been corrupt for a while now. Again, there's not much value because there's really no chance of "winning" anything. If they just stopped with the bot monopoly and went strictly with a free market, supply and demand system, Raleigh N2 would be selling for $50 a seat, Hollywood for maybe $500 and Pitt in the $275 range. Overcomplicating it and overpricing trash seats to $900 to try and fake the level of demand is moronic at best.

How does it not help, if you and 10,000 other boomers left the club and just saw pearl jam casually, it will help my chances in the lottery.

Don’t act so entitled, the band doesn’t know your name.

And if your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle. There could be only 1000 10c active members total and yet somehow, the bots and scalpers still are able to procure 99% of the tickets. The "lottery" isn't real/what you think it is. Real members are outnumbered 100:1 by the system. Again, the whole think is out of touch. People buying into this being legit have their heads in the sand. They literally cannot give away tickets to Raleigh, but want you to believe there is value in spending $900 per person to sit in the bathroom.

I wouldn’t say I’m out of touch here, the club has given me opportunities in GA and lower level. I even scored back to back GAs in Vancouver and got tickets to MSG1. All the other times that I submitted lottery picks I got shows, not all of my picks but I still would consider that a success. Did I get shut out on this leg? Absolutely! Am I networking on here and other areas to get tickets? Absolutely! Do I think there will be more opportunities to see them? Absolutely!
Has the procurement of concert tickets changed? Absolutely!

We are all navigating this new territory and it’s not just you.

What could really change is the attitude from some members, just because you paid for a membership for years and years and didn’t use the full value of the membership doesn’t mean when you are ready to use it that the red carpet should be rolled out for you.

If you want tickets, you either
1. sign up for lottery
2. sign up for presale
3. check TM consistently

it’s also not Pearl Jam that is doing this, when I was looking for Bruce Springsteen tickets I saw GAs pop up the night before and they were asking 1100 for one on F2F. At least Pearl Jam makes GA face value on F2F.

Some people are bitter and incapable of a fair opinion. I generally think the lottery is pretty worthless as someone with a mid 10c number, except for the rare chance to score GA. I usually miss but got both FL nights this year. Based on that alone, getting 4 tickets for $200 apiece that are easily worth $500+, my membership has paid for itself at least until I'm an octogenarian.

Sugarloafer04 · January 4

SHZA said:

bootleg said:

ekwipt said:

100 Pacer said:

If you’re coordinating:

Ask the seller of a pair to list one single at a time. Space out the transactions. Attempt overnight between 4am-5am Eastern for fewer hiccups.

This is key 👆. I’ve watched singles sit for up to 30 mins but pairs are always gone instantly.

It just sucks that you’ve got someone willing to give you their link, now you’ve got to get them to also wake up at 4am just to try to sell 1 ticket at a time. The whole thing is just wasting a large collective amount of time.

If you have a link, that shouldn't be necessary in my opinion. I don't believe splitting them up at 4 am would prevent a U533 error. What it might help is that if something does go awry, there's less likely to be someone else checking the page at the time to grab the rebound.

If you're just sitting there refreshing the page 4-5 months before the show you're definitely wasting a large amount of time.

This. After getting unbanned I am just not looking for tickets until we get much closer to the shows. Seems like a waste of time at the moment with the risks of getting botted/banned again. I have lower bowl seats for 7of the 8 shows I am hoping to attend with Pitt 1 being ISO for a single.

Patience is a virtue.

Mac57 · January 4

Though the Club, even with a mid 10C number, has never put a penny in my pocket, I have met great people all over the country and kept in touch with them, won 10 club seats in Detroit, Miami, Moline, Milwaukee, Wrigley, Seattle, MSG etc., won lottery at Fenway in 2018 (2nd row dead center) so I say God (or deity of choice) bless it. Only missed on Fl 2 and Pitt 1 in drawing this year, I was able to get nosebleeds for Pitt 1 from TM and I am working on Hollywood. 2 The real TC members always help each other although there will be always the few trying to make a buck. So my membership is worth every penny and more. Also won GA for last show in Pittsburgh, so thanks 10 Club and Santos for all you do.

EH14457 · January 4

SHZA said:
Some people are bitter and incapable of a fair opinion. I generally think the lottery is pretty worthless as someone with a mid 10c number, except for the rare chance to score GA. I usually miss but got both FL nights this year. Based on that alone, getting 4 tickets for $200 apiece that are easily worth $500+, my membership has paid for itself at least until I'm an octogenarian.

Your last sentence contradicts the lottery generally being pretty worthless, no? I think I agree with what you're getting at though.

Have brokers joined 10c for the chance at flipping non-transferrable tickets? Yes.
Do 10c members submit for shows they can't attend knowing they can trade GA or great seats for a different show they can attend? Yes.
Do 10c members have friends and family also join 10c to improve their odds of landing GA for shows? Yes.
Has 10c exacerbated the issue by ending show priority and allowing people to enter for all shows? Yes.
Is 10c still the only way to get great seats at "face value" (arguably below-market value) without spending an unconscionable amount of time on F2F? Yes.

I say "arguably below market value" because those $900 nosebleed seats are the only reason so many of us are able to buy GA and exceptional lowers for $200 a pop. Plus, when they inevitably don't sell and prices come down, the band will (theoretically) be leaving money on the table relative to what they planned to net for the show. There's an alternate reality here where the lottery doesn't run and PJ Premium doesn't exist. In that world, GA and best lowers would probably be closer to $400-500 a pop. And you'd never see PJ Premium pricing on nosebleeds... they'd all be closer to $100. And if you think the complaining is bad now... 😆 Wait until Pearl Jam starts charging Springsteen's new standard pricing. We should enjoy great $200 seats (and even the slim chance to get them through F2F) while we can.

julieooliern · January 4

EH14457 said:

SHZA said:
Some people are bitter and incapable of a fair opinion. I generally think the lottery is pretty worthless as someone with a mid 10c number, except for the rare chance to score GA. I usually miss but got both FL nights this year. Based on that alone, getting 4 tickets for $200 apiece that are easily worth $500+, my membership has paid for itself at least until I'm an octogenarian.

I say "arguably below market value" because those $900 nosebleed seats are the only reason so many of us are able to buy GA and exceptional lowers for $200 a pop. Plus, when they inevitably don't sell and prices come down, the band will (theoretically) be leaving money on the table relative to what they planned to net for the show. There's an alternate reality here where the lottery doesn't run and PJ Premium doesn't exist. In that world, GA and best lowers would probably be closer to $400-500 a pop. And you'd never see PJ Premium pricing on nosebleeds... they'd all be closer to $100. And if you think the complaining is bad now... 😆 Wait until Pearl Jam starts charging Springsteen's new standard pricing. We should enjoy great $200 seats (and even the slim chance to get them through F2F) while we can.

This

SHZA · January 4

EH14457 said:

SHZA said:
Some people are bitter and incapable of a fair opinion. I generally think the lottery is pretty worthless as someone with a mid 10c number, except for the rare chance to score GA. I usually miss but got both FL nights this year. Based on that alone, getting 4 tickets for $200 apiece that are easily worth $500+, my membership has paid for itself at least until I'm an octogenarian.

Your last sentence contradicts the lottery generally being pretty worthless, no? I think I agree with what you're getting at though.

Have brokers joined 10c for the chance at flipping non-transferrable tickets? Yes.
Do 10c members submit for shows they can't attend knowing they can trade GA or great seats for a different show they can attend? Yes.
Do 10c members have friends and family also join 10c to improve their odds of landing GA for shows? Yes.
Has 10c exacerbated the issue by ending show priority and allowing people to enter for all shows? Yes.
Is 10c still the only way to get great seats at "face value" (arguably below-market value) without spending an unconscionable amount of time on F2F? Yes.

I say "arguably below market value" because those $900 nosebleed seats are the only reason so many of us are able to buy GA and exceptional lowers for $200 a pop. Plus, when they inevitably don't sell and prices come down, the band will (theoretically) be leaving money on the table relative to what they planned to net for the show. There's an alternate reality here where the lottery doesn't run and PJ Premium doesn't exist. In that world, GA and best lowers would probably be closer to $400-500 a pop. And you'd never see PJ Premium pricing on nosebleeds... they'd all be closer to $100. And if you think the complaining is bad now... 😆 Wait until Pearl Jam starts charging Springsteen's new standard pricing. We should enjoy great $200 seats (and even the slim chance to get them through F2F) while we can.

No. I said pretty worthless except for the chance at GA. If it was a "seats-only" seniority-based lottery, I definitely wouldn't enter.

EH14457 · January 4

SHZA said:

EH14457 said:

SHZA said:
Some people are bitter and incapable of a fair opinion. I generally think the lottery is pretty worthless as someone with a mid 10c number, except for the rare chance to score GA. I usually miss but got both FL nights this year. Based on that alone, getting 4 tickets for $200 apiece that are easily worth $500+, my membership has paid for itself at least until I'm an octogenarian.

Your last sentence contradicts the lottery generally being pretty worthless, no? I think I agree with what you're getting at though.

Have brokers joined 10c for the chance at flipping non-transferrable tickets? Yes.
Do 10c members submit for shows they can't attend knowing they can trade GA or great seats for a different show they can attend? Yes.
Do 10c members have friends and family also join 10c to improve their odds of landing GA for shows? Yes.
Has 10c exacerbated the issue by ending show priority and allowing people to enter for all shows? Yes.
Is 10c still the only way to get great seats at "face value" (arguably below-market value) without spending an unconscionable amount of time on F2F? Yes.

I say "arguably below market value" because those $900 nosebleed seats are the only reason so many of us are able to buy GA and exceptional lowers for $200 a pop. Plus, when they inevitably don't sell and prices come down, the band will (theoretically) be leaving money on the table relative to what they planned to net for the show. There's an alternate reality here where the lottery doesn't run and PJ Premium doesn't exist. In that world, GA and best lowers would probably be closer to $400-500 a pop. And you'd never see PJ Premium pricing on nosebleeds... they'd all be closer to $100. And if you think the complaining is bad now... 😆 Wait until Pearl Jam starts charging Springsteen's new standard pricing. We should enjoy great $200 seats (and even the slim chance to get them through F2F) while we can.

No. I said pretty worthless except for the chance at GA. If it was a "seats-only" seniority-based lottery, I definitely wouldn't enter.

Oh. I thought you got FL seats… which still represents significant value outside of GA opportunities. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Either way, I agree there are only a few circumstances (GA or seats at very small venues) that make the lottery a clear-cut W. Though it is all intertwined with PJ Premium and the current pricing (which I view as preferable to the alternative, per my post).

given2fly23 · January 4

Is Raleigh really selling that poorly? Hell, I'll go. Have Pitt x 2 and looking for Florida x 2, but I'll go check out Raleigh. Never been.

ally12 · January 4

nicknyr15 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

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ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub. Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club? I would love to see that.

How can they tell that the seller on stubhub is a 10c member? Maybe the situation is that a 10club member did coordinate a drop and it was purchased by a bot/scalper.

All for a change in the process though

Yea another person pointed that out. Would have to be immediate I guess. I know it's never happening, just a hypothetical.

I doubt anything is going to change, this new TM method just made 10c more valuable. They could do more and vett the membership. Weed out all the scalpers with fake memberships.

Or, since the membership is completely useless and just a money grab, they could simply stop with the fake holier than thou crap and just let supply and demand handle it for them. I mean how out of touch can they be to think someone would willingly pay $900 per ticket to sit in the worst spot in the arena? They obviously couldn't give AF less about 10c members.

How is the membership completely useless? Getting tickets through the membership lotteries is probably the less stress inducing method in getting tickets including GA.

The promoter isn’t willing to let them have a whole arena of 10c holders.

Concert ticket game has changed, the best methods that work so far are being on F2F consistently up until the day of the show, waiting for ticket drops the day of the show and coordinating a trade.

However, a lot of people in their fanbase aren’t willing to do that for various reasons.

My pet peeve is if you are coordinating a trade with a fellow 10C member we should be able to transfer tickets or have more protections on F2F to avoid bots/scalpers grabbing them.

There's zero value in the 10c. It’s not 2005. Times have changed and greed is at an all new level. Taking the money of tens of thousands of people and "allowing" a select handful of "lottery" winners to purchase tickets, isn't useful. The fact is, 90% of the tickets end up scalped in one way or another. They should just stop with the charade and let the free market handle it from there. The current system is the worst thing ever. Again, $900 for the worst seat in the house? Meanwhile there's a show on this tour that they can't give tickets away for. Half the arena can't sell at face value. It was run better 25 years ago than it is now.

Ok, so give up your membership, opportunity to GA and allow the members that grind it out more chances at winning GAs and tickets.

I

Already done, but it’s not going to help other 10c members. The bots and scalpers get most of the 10c "lottery" tickets as well. This system has been corrupt for a while now. Again, there's not much value because there's really no chance of "winning" anything. If they just stopped with the bot monopoly and went strictly with a free market, supply and demand system, Raleigh N2 would be selling for $50 a seat, Hollywood for maybe $500 and Pitt in the $275 range. Overcomplicating it and overpricing trash seats to $900 to try and fake the level of demand is moronic at best.

How does it not help, if you and 10,000 other boomers left the club and just saw pearl jam casually, it will help my chances in the lottery.

Don’t act so entitled, the band doesn’t know your name.

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub. Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club? I would love to see that.

How can they tell that the seller on stubhub is a 10c member? Maybe the situation is that a 10club member did coordinate a drop and it was purchased by a bot/scalper.

All for a change in the process though

Yea another person pointed that out. Would have to be immediate I guess. I know it's never happening, just a hypothetical.

I doubt anything is going to change, this new TM method just made 10c more valuable. They could do more and vett the membership. Weed out all the scalpers with fake memberships.

Or, since the membership is completely useless and just a money grab, they could simply stop with the fake holier than thou crap and just let supply and demand handle it for them. I mean how out of touch can they be to think someone would willingly pay $900 per ticket to sit in the worst spot in the arena? They obviously couldn't give AF less about 10c members.

How is the membership completely useless? Getting tickets through the membership lotteries is probably the less stress inducing method in getting tickets including GA.

The promoter isn’t willing to let them have a whole arena of 10c holders.

Concert ticket game has changed, the best methods that work so far are being on F2F consistently up until the day of the show, waiting for ticket drops the day of the show and coordinating a trade.

However, a lot of people in their fanbase aren’t willing to do that for various reasons.

My pet peeve is if you are coordinating a trade with a fellow 10C member we should be able to transfer tickets or have more protections on F2F to avoid bots/scalpers grabbing them.

There's zero value in the 10c. It’s not 2005. Times have changed and greed is at an all new level. Taking the money of tens of thousands of people and "allowing" a select handful of "lottery" winners to purchase tickets, isn't useful. The fact is, 90% of the tickets end up scalped in one way or another. They should just stop with the charade and let the free market handle it from there. The current system is the worst thing ever. Again, $900 for the worst seat in the house? Meanwhile there's a show on this tour that they can't give tickets away for. Half the arena can't sell at face value. It was run better 25 years ago than it is now.

Ok, so give up your membership, opportunity to GA and allow the members that grind it out more chances at winning GAs and tickets.

I

Already done, but it’s not going to help other 10c members. The bots and scalpers get most of the 10c "lottery" tickets as well. This system has been corrupt for a while now. Again, there's not much value because there's really no chance of "winning" anything. If they just stopped with the bot monopoly and went strictly with a free market, supply and demand system, Raleigh N2 would be selling for $50 a seat, Hollywood for maybe $500 and Pitt in the $275 range. Overcomplicating it and overpricing trash seats to $900 to try and fake the level of demand is moronic at best.

How does it not help, if you and 10,000 other boomers left the club and just saw pearl jam casually, it will help my chances in the lottery.

Don’t act so entitled, the band doesn’t know your name.

And if your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle. There could be only 1000 10c active members total and yet somehow, the bots and scalpers still are able to procure 99% of the tickets. The "lottery" isn't real/what you think it is. Real members are outnumbered 100:1 by the system. Again, the whole think is out of touch. People buying into this being legit have their heads in the sand. They literally cannot give away tickets to Raleigh, but want you to believe there is value in spending $900 per person to sit in the bathroom.

Love my 10c membership. I’ve had multiple amazing pairs of tickets from them and I’ve hustled for whatever I didn’t get instead of whine about it. Living in the northeast I’d have next to a zero percent chance of securing tickets through TM without 10c. My only gripe is the F2F. I’m one of the few that would still prefer fully transferable.

This! I have an opportunity to get Pittsburgh tickets but the coordination of drop makes the seller and myself nervous. As they want the tickets to go to a fan. Therefore we have to be strategic which I think is
frustrating

ally12 · January 4

SHZA said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub. Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club? I would love to see that.

How can they tell that the seller on stubhub is a 10c member? Maybe the situation is that a 10club member did coordinate a drop and it was purchased by a bot/scalper.

All for a change in the process though

Yea another person pointed that out. Would have to be immediate I guess. I know it's never happening, just a hypothetical.

I doubt anything is going to change, this new TM method just made 10c more valuable. They could do more and vett the membership. Weed out all the scalpers with fake memberships.

Or, since the membership is completely useless and just a money grab, they could simply stop with the fake holier than thou crap and just let supply and demand handle it for them. I mean how out of touch can they be to think someone would willingly pay $900 per ticket to sit in the worst spot in the arena? They obviously couldn't give AF less about 10c members.

How is the membership completely useless? Getting tickets through the membership lotteries is probably the less stress inducing method in getting tickets including GA.

The promoter isn’t willing to let them have a whole arena of 10c holders.

Concert ticket game has changed, the best methods that work so far are being on F2F consistently up until the day of the show, waiting for ticket drops the day of the show and coordinating a trade.

However, a lot of people in their fanbase aren’t willing to do that for various reasons.

My pet peeve is if you are coordinating a trade with a fellow 10C member we should be able to transfer tickets or have more protections on F2F to avoid bots/scalpers grabbing them.

There's zero value in the 10c. It’s not 2005. Times have changed and greed is at an all new level. Taking the money of tens of thousands of people and "allowing" a select handful of "lottery" winners to purchase tickets, isn't useful. The fact is, 90% of the tickets end up scalped in one way or another. They should just stop with the charade and let the free market handle it from there. The current system is the worst thing ever. Again, $900 for the worst seat in the house? Meanwhile there's a show on this tour that they can't give tickets away for. Half the arena can't sell at face value. It was run better 25 years ago than it is now.

Ok, so give up your membership, opportunity to GA and allow the members that grind it out more chances at winning GAs and tickets.

I

Already done, but it’s not going to help other 10c members. The bots and scalpers get most of the 10c "lottery" tickets as well. This system has been corrupt for a while now. Again, there's not much value because there's really no chance of "winning" anything. If they just stopped with the bot monopoly and went strictly with a free market, supply and demand system, Raleigh N2 would be selling for $50 a seat, Hollywood for maybe $500 and Pitt in the $275 range. Overcomplicating it and overpricing trash seats to $900 to try and fake the level of demand is moronic at best.

How does it not help, if you and 10,000 other boomers left the club and just saw pearl jam casually, it will help my chances in the lottery.

Don’t act so entitled, the band doesn’t know your name.

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub. Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club? I would love to see that.

How can they tell that the seller on stubhub is a 10c member? Maybe the situation is that a 10club member did coordinate a drop and it was purchased by a bot/scalper.

All for a change in the process though

Yea another person pointed that out. Would have to be immediate I guess. I know it's never happening, just a hypothetical.

I doubt anything is going to change, this new TM method just made 10c more valuable. They could do more and vett the membership. Weed out all the scalpers with fake memberships.

Or, since the membership is completely useless and just a money grab, they could simply stop with the fake holier than thou crap and just let supply and demand handle it for them. I mean how out of touch can they be to think someone would willingly pay $900 per ticket to sit in the worst spot in the arena? They obviously couldn't give AF less about 10c members.

How is the membership completely useless? Getting tickets through the membership lotteries is probably the less stress inducing method in getting tickets including GA.

The promoter isn’t willing to let them have a whole arena of 10c holders.

Concert ticket game has changed, the best methods that work so far are being on F2F consistently up until the day of the show, waiting for ticket drops the day of the show and coordinating a trade.

However, a lot of people in their fanbase aren’t willing to do that for various reasons.

My pet peeve is if you are coordinating a trade with a fellow 10C member we should be able to transfer tickets or have more protections on F2F to avoid bots/scalpers grabbing them.

There's zero value in the 10c. It’s not 2005. Times have changed and greed is at an all new level. Taking the money of tens of thousands of people and "allowing" a select handful of "lottery" winners to purchase tickets, isn't useful. The fact is, 90% of the tickets end up scalped in one way or another. They should just stop with the charade and let the free market handle it from there. The current system is the worst thing ever. Again, $900 for the worst seat in the house? Meanwhile there's a show on this tour that they can't give tickets away for. Half the arena can't sell at face value. It was run better 25 years ago than it is now.

Ok, so give up your membership, opportunity to GA and allow the members that grind it out more chances at winning GAs and tickets.

I

Already done, but it’s not going to help other 10c members. The bots and scalpers get most of the 10c "lottery" tickets as well. This system has been corrupt for a while now. Again, there's not much value because there's really no chance of "winning" anything. If they just stopped with the bot monopoly and went strictly with a free market, supply and demand system, Raleigh N2 would be selling for $50 a seat, Hollywood for maybe $500 and Pitt in the $275 range. Overcomplicating it and overpricing trash seats to $900 to try and fake the level of demand is moronic at best.

How does it not help, if you and 10,000 other boomers left the club and just saw pearl jam casually, it will help my chances in the lottery.

Don’t act so entitled, the band doesn’t know your name.

And if your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle. There could be only 1000 10c active members total and yet somehow, the bots and scalpers still are able to procure 99% of the tickets. The "lottery" isn't real/what you think it is. Real members are outnumbered 100:1 by the system. Again, the whole think is out of touch. People buying into this being legit have their heads in the sand. They literally cannot give away tickets to Raleigh, but want you to believe there is value in spending $900 per person to sit in the bathroom.

I wouldn’t say I’m out of touch here, the club has given me opportunities in GA and lower level. I even scored back to back GAs in Vancouver and got tickets to MSG1. All the other times that I submitted lottery picks I got shows, not all of my picks but I still would consider that a success. Did I get shut out on this leg? Absolutely! Am I networking on here and other areas to get tickets? Absolutely! Do I think there will be more opportunities to see them? Absolutely!
Has the procurement of concert tickets changed? Absolutely!

We are all navigating this new territory and it’s not just you.

What could really change is the attitude from some members, just because you paid for a membership for years and years and didn’t use the full value of the membership doesn’t mean when you are ready to use it that the red carpet should be rolled out for you.

If you want tickets, you either
1. sign up for lottery
2. sign up for presale
3. check TM consistently

it’s also not Pearl Jam that is doing this, when I was looking for Bruce Springsteen tickets I saw GAs pop up the night before and they were asking 1100 for one on F2F. At least Pearl Jam makes GA face value on F2F.

Some people are bitter and incapable of a fair opinion. I generally think the lottery is pretty worthless as someone with a mid 10c number, except for the rare chance to score GA. I usually miss but got both FL nights this year. Based on that alone, getting 4 tickets for $200 apiece that are easily worth $500+, my membership has paid for itself at least until I'm an octogenarian.

Congrats! From what I am reading, the 10c number is losing value as seniority isn’t being fair used for seat allocation.

ally12 · January 4

EH14457 said:

SHZA said:
Some people are bitter and incapable of a fair opinion. I generally think the lottery is pretty worthless as someone with a mid 10c number, except for the rare chance to score GA. I usually miss but got both FL nights this year. Based on that alone, getting 4 tickets for $200 apiece that are easily worth $500+, my membership has paid for itself at least until I'm an octogenarian.

Your last sentence contradicts the lottery generally being pretty worthless, no? I think I agree with what you're getting at though.

Have brokers joined 10c for the chance at flipping non-transferrable tickets? Yes.
Do 10c members submit for shows they can't attend knowing they can trade GA or great seats for a different show they can attend? Yes.
Do 10c members have friends and family also join 10c to improve their odds of landing GA for shows? Yes.
Has 10c exacerbated the issue by ending show priority and allowing people to enter for all shows? Yes.
Is 10c still the only way to get great seats at "face value" (arguably below-market value) without spending an unconscionable amount of time on F2F? Yes.

I say "arguably below market value" because those $900 nosebleed seats are the only reason so many of us are able to buy GA and exceptional lowers for $200 a pop. Plus, when they inevitably don't sell and prices come down, the band will (theoretically) be leaving money on the table relative to what they planned to net for the show. There's an alternate reality here where the lottery doesn't run and PJ Premium doesn't exist. In that world, GA and best lowers would probably be closer to $400-500 a pop. And you'd never see PJ Premium pricing on nosebleeds... they'd all be closer to $100. And if you think the complaining is bad now... 😆 Wait until Pearl Jam starts charging Springsteen's new standard pricing. We should enjoy great $200 seats (and even the slim chance to get them through F2F) while we can.

I agree with this, I did score Springsteen lowers 2 days before the show. Side stage, row A for reference on Mike side. I got them for less than what they were originally going for when F2F first opened for his concert. Great show!

The band should take note though, his stage set up had a much longer bump out and the pit was somewhat separated down the middle.

Pit concertgoers sure did bring the energy that night

Chrrie · January 4

given2fly23 said:

Is Raleigh really selling that poorly? Hell, I'll go. Have Pitt x 2 and looking for Florida x 2, but I'll go check out Raleigh. Never been.

There’s some 300 level for N2 that’s not moving but I think the demand for every show except Florida is being artificially created by TM holding back the uppers that didn’t sell so they can sell as many premium tix as possible. I think we’ll see uppers for other shows get released in waves over the next month or two which will make the secondary market drop a bit too, to the point where I assume it’ll start becoming possible to score tix (uppers and maybe back if the arena lowers) on f2f the old fashioned way without a link even.

RatherStarved · January 4

Chrrie said:

given2fly23 said:

Is Raleigh really selling that poorly? Hell, I'll go. Have Pitt x 2 and looking for Florida x 2, but I'll go check out Raleigh. Never been.

There’s some 300 level for N2 that’s not moving but I think the demand for every show except Florida is being artificially created by TM holding back the uppers that didn’t sell so they can sell as many premium tix as possible. I think we’ll see uppers for other shows get released in waves over the next month or two which will make the secondary market drop a bit too, to the point where I assume it’ll start becoming possible to score tix (uppers and maybe back if the arena lowers) on f2f the old fashioned way without a link even.

TM is most likely holding back lowers too.

given2fly23 · January 4

Chrrie said:

given2fly23 said:

Is Raleigh really selling that poorly? Hell, I'll go. Have Pitt x 2 and looking for Florida x 2, but I'll go check out Raleigh. Never been.

There’s some 300 level for N2 that’s not moving but I think the demand for every show except Florida is being artificially created by TM holding back the uppers that didn’t sell so they can sell as many premium tix as possible. I think we’ll see uppers for other shows get released in waves over the next month or two which will make the secondary market drop a bit too, to the point where I assume it’ll start becoming possible to score tix (uppers and maybe back if the arena lowers) on f2f the old fashioned way without a link even.

Yeah, I'll wait to buy but maybe start looking at flights and hotels. There aren't many places on this planet I wouldn't go if it means I can see 2 PJ shows and get my pick of seats.

100 Pacer · January 4

EH14457 said:

SHZA said:
Some people are bitter and incapable of a fair opinion. I generally think the lottery is pretty worthless as someone with a mid 10c number, except for the rare chance to score GA. I usually miss but got both FL nights this year. Based on that alone, getting 4 tickets for $200 apiece that are easily worth $500+, my membership has paid for itself at least until I'm an octogenarian.

Your last sentence contradicts the lottery generally being pretty worthless, no? I think I agree with what you're getting at though.

Have brokers joined 10c for the chance at flipping non-transferrable tickets? Yes.
Do 10c members submit for shows they can't attend knowing they can trade GA or great seats for a different show they can attend? Yes.
Do 10c members have friends and family also join 10c to improve their odds of landing GA for shows? Yes.
Has 10c exacerbated the issue by ending show priority and allowing people to enter for all shows? Yes.
Is 10c still the only way to get great seats at "face value" (arguably below-market value) without spending an unconscionable amount of time on F2F? Yes.

I say "arguably below market value" because those $900 nosebleed seats are the only reason so many of us are able to buy GA and exceptional lowers for $200 a pop. Plus, when they inevitably don't sell and prices come down, the band will (theoretically) be leaving money on the table relative to what they planned to net for the show. There's an alternate reality here where the lottery doesn't run and PJ Premium doesn't exist. In that world, GA and best lowers would probably be closer to $400-500 a pop. And you'd never see PJ Premium pricing on nosebleeds... they'd all be closer to $100. And if you think the complaining is bad now... 😆 Wait until Pearl Jam starts charging Springsteen's new standard pricing. We should enjoy great $200 seats (and even the slim chance to get them through F2F) while we can.

The band isn’t leaving money on the table. The band has sold the tour to their promoter, LiveNation, for a guaranteed rate. This is why Premium exists in the first place. Once the guarantee is agreed upon and the fan club tickets are allocated it’s understand by all involved the promoter has to make their guarantee back and then some.

100 Pacer · January 4

given2fly23 said:

Chrrie said:

given2fly23 said:

Is Raleigh really selling that poorly? Hell, I'll go. Have Pitt x 2 and looking for Florida x 2, but I'll go check out Raleigh. Never been.

There’s some 300 level for N2 that’s not moving but I think the demand for every show except Florida is being artificially created by TM holding back the uppers that didn’t sell so they can sell as many premium tix as possible. I think we’ll see uppers for other shows get released in waves over the next month or two which will make the secondary market drop a bit too, to the point where I assume it’ll start becoming possible to score tix (uppers and maybe back if the arena lowers) on f2f the old fashioned way without a link even.

Yeah, I'll wait to buy but maybe start looking at flights and hotels. There aren't many places on this planet I wouldn't go if it means I can see 2 PJ shows and get my pick of seats.

Wait until 2-3 days before the show and have your pick of lower rows first sections next to the stage.

julieooliern · January 4

Wait until 2-3 days before the show and have your pick of lower rows first sections next to the stage.

Counting on this

PrezIntense · January 4

Re: Is Raleigh selling poorly...

As thrilled as I am to have PJ play twice in my hometown, we probably didn't need two dates. That said, I promise if those $175 tickets were in 200s or lower they'd all be gone. I know PLENTY of people looking at those 300s seats who are just waiting to see if and when something better opens up. Both nights will be a full house, trust that. Once Ticketmaster starts lowering those premiums and opening up additional lowers, they'll start moving.

I think the strategy with the Raleigh show was to get a bunch of people from SC and VA (as well as the whole state of NC) a chance -- but on a Tuesday night that's gonna be tough for people. Sunday will be a tougher ticket to get because it allows people some travel wiggle room hence higher demand.

Shaindli1 · January 4

PrezIntense said:

Re: Is Raleigh selling poorly...

As thrilled as I am to have PJ play twice in my hometown, we probably didn't need two dates. That said, I promise if those $175 tickets were in 200s or lower they'd all be gone. I know PLENTY of people looking at those 300s seats who are just waiting to see if and when something better opens up. Both nights will be a full house, trust that. Once Ticketmaster starts lowering those premiums and opening up additional lowers, they'll start moving.

I think the strategy with the Raleigh show was to get a bunch of people from SC and VA (as well as the whole state of NC) a chance -- but on a Tuesday night that's gonna be tough for people. Sunday will be a tougher ticket to get because it allows people some travel wiggle room hence higher demand.

We also have zero data about sales or demand. I agree it's going to be a full house eventually. Because this leg is only five cities, people are traveling farther distances. I'm driving from MA.

on2legs · January 4

PrezIntense said:

Re: Is Raleigh selling poorly...

As thrilled as I am to have PJ play twice in my hometown, we probably didn't need two dates. That said, I promise if those $175 tickets were in 200s or lower they'd all be gone. I know PLENTY of people looking at those 300s seats who are just waiting to see if and when something better opens up. Both nights will be a full house, trust that. Once Ticketmaster starts lowering those premiums and opening up additional lowers, they'll start moving.

I think the strategy with the Raleigh show was to get a bunch of people from SC and VA (as well as the whole state of NC) a chance -- but on a Tuesday night that's gonna be tough for people. Sunday will be a tougher ticket to get because it allows people some travel wiggle room hence higher demand.

That Sunday is Mother’s Day. That’s not helping much.

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