F2F is OPEN

Bart.niessen · January 4

Second time in botjail now. Last time was about 5 days around the holidays. Hope its not permanent now..

KJ228171 · January 4

Bart.niessen said:

Second time in botjail now. Last time was about 5 days around the holidays. Hope its not permanent now..

That sucks. The only way to have a chance at getting tickets is to be logged when searching. Any estimate on how many times you refreshed or switch from one ticket to two. Their stated trig is 1,000 times in 24 hours but it’s happened before that. I’m trying to pin down how much is too much.

Bart.niessen · January 4

KJ228171 said:

Bart.niessen said:

Second time in botjail now. Last time was about 5 days around the holidays. Hope its not permanent now..

That sucks. The only way to have a chance at getting tickets is to be logged when searching. Any estimate on how many times you refreshed or switch from one ticket to two. Their stated trig is 1,000 times in 24 hours but it’s happened before that. I’m trying to pin down how much is too much.

Can’t deny that i had a quite aggressive refresh-day on multiple locations. I kind of knew it could be too much but the FOMO was real.. Scary how its works like ‘if i quit now i might miss out on a ticket in the next 5 minutes’. Its basically addictive.

RP123663 · January 4

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub. Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club? I would love to see that.

How can they tell that the seller on stubhub is a 10c member? Maybe the situation is that a 10club member did coordinate a drop and it was purchased by a bot/scalper.

All for a change in the process though

Yea another person pointed that out. Would have to be immediate I guess. I know it's never happening, just a hypothetical.

I doubt anything is going to change, this new TM method just made 10c more valuable. They could do more and vett the membership. Weed out all the scalpers with fake memberships.

Or, since the membership is completely useless and just a money grab, they could simply stop with the fake holier than thou crap and just let supply and demand handle it for them. I mean how out of touch can they be to think someone would willingly pay $900 per ticket to sit in the worst spot in the arena? They obviously couldn't give AF less about 10c members.

KJ228171 · January 4

Bart.niessen said:

KJ228171 said:

Bart.niessen said:

Second time in botjail now. Last time was about 5 days around the holidays. Hope its not permanent now..

That sucks. The only way to have a chance at getting tickets is to be logged when searching. Any estimate on how many times you refreshed or switch from one ticket to two. Their stated trig is 1,000 times in 24 hours but it’s happened before that. I’m trying to pin down how much is too much.

Can’t deny that i had a quite aggressive refresh-day on multiple locations. I kind of knew it could be too much but the FOMO was real.. Scary how its works like ‘if i quit now i might miss out on a ticket in the next 5 minutes’. Its basically addictive.

I can understand that. I've resorted to just using the app. It's already laggy as hell plus you can't look at more than one show at a time. Having multiple tabs on a computer is too tempting to hit refresh.

ally12 · January 4

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub. Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club? I would love to see that.

How can they tell that the seller on stubhub is a 10c member? Maybe the situation is that a 10club member did coordinate a drop and it was purchased by a bot/scalper.

All for a change in the process though

Yea another person pointed that out. Would have to be immediate I guess. I know it's never happening, just a hypothetical.

I doubt anything is going to change, this new TM method just made 10c more valuable. They could do more and vett the membership. Weed out all the scalpers with fake memberships.

Or, since the membership is completely useless and just a money grab, they could simply stop with the fake holier than thou crap and just let supply and demand handle it for them. I mean how out of touch can they be to think someone would willingly pay $900 per ticket to sit in the worst spot in the arena? They obviously couldn't give AF less about 10c members.

How is the membership completely useless? Getting tickets through the membership lotteries is probably the less stress inducing method in getting tickets including GA.

The promoter isn’t willing to let them have a whole arena of 10c holders.

Concert ticket game has changed, the best methods that work so far are being on F2F consistently up until the day of the show, waiting for ticket drops the day of the show and coordinating a trade.

However, a lot of people in their fanbase aren’t willing to do that for various reasons.

My pet peeve is if you are coordinating a trade with a fellow 10C member we should be able to transfer tickets or have more protections on F2F to avoid bots/scalpers grabbing them.

RP123663 · January 4

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub. Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club? I would love to see that.

How can they tell that the seller on stubhub is a 10c member? Maybe the situation is that a 10club member did coordinate a drop and it was purchased by a bot/scalper.

All for a change in the process though

Yea another person pointed that out. Would have to be immediate I guess. I know it's never happening, just a hypothetical.

I doubt anything is going to change, this new TM method just made 10c more valuable. They could do more and vett the membership. Weed out all the scalpers with fake memberships.

Or, since the membership is completely useless and just a money grab, they could simply stop with the fake holier than thou crap and just let supply and demand handle it for them. I mean how out of touch can they be to think someone would willingly pay $900 per ticket to sit in the worst spot in the arena? They obviously couldn't give AF less about 10c members.

How is the membership completely useless? Getting tickets through the membership lotteries is probably the less stress inducing method in getting tickets including GA.

The promoter isn’t willing to let them have a whole arena of 10c holders.

Concert ticket game has changed, the best methods that work so far are being on F2F consistently up until the day of the show, waiting for ticket drops the day of the show and coordinating a trade.

However, a lot of people in their fanbase aren’t willing to do that for various reasons.

My pet peeve is if you are coordinating a trade with a fellow 10C member we should be able to transfer tickets or have more protections on F2F to avoid bots/scalpers grabbing them.

There's zero value in the 10c. Its not 2005. Times have changed and greed is at an all new level. Taking the money of tens of thousands of people and "allowing" a select handful of "lottery" winners to purchase tickets, isn't useful. The fact is, 90% of the tickets end up scalped in one way or another. They should just stop with the charade and let the free market handle it from there. The current system is the worst thing ever. Again, $900 for the worst seat in the house? Meanwhile there's a show on this tour that they can't give tickets away for. Half the arena can't sell at face value. It was run better 25 years ago than it is now.

ally12 · January 4

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub. Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club? I would love to see that.

How can they tell that the seller on stubhub is a 10c member? Maybe the situation is that a 10club member did coordinate a drop and it was purchased by a bot/scalper.

All for a change in the process though

Yea another person pointed that out. Would have to be immediate I guess. I know it's never happening, just a hypothetical.

I doubt anything is going to change, this new TM method just made 10c more valuable. They could do more and vett the membership. Weed out all the scalpers with fake memberships.

Or, since the membership is completely useless and just a money grab, they could simply stop with the fake holier than thou crap and just let supply and demand handle it for them. I mean how out of touch can they be to think someone would willingly pay $900 per ticket to sit in the worst spot in the arena? They obviously couldn't give AF less about 10c members.

How is the membership completely useless? Getting tickets through the membership lotteries is probably the less stress inducing method in getting tickets including GA.

The promoter isn’t willing to let them have a whole arena of 10c holders.

Concert ticket game has changed, the best methods that work so far are being on F2F consistently up until the day of the show, waiting for ticket drops the day of the show and coordinating a trade.

However, a lot of people in their fanbase aren’t willing to do that for various reasons.

My pet peeve is if you are coordinating a trade with a fellow 10C member we should be able to transfer tickets or have more protections on F2F to avoid bots/scalpers grabbing them.

There's zero value in the 10c. It’s not 2005. Times have changed and greed is at an all new level. Taking the money of tens of thousands of people and "allowing" a select handful of "lottery" winners to purchase tickets, isn't useful. The fact is, 90% of the tickets end up scalped in one way or another. They should just stop with the charade and let the free market handle it from there. The current system is the worst thing ever. Again, $900 for the worst seat in the house? Meanwhile there's a show on this tour that they can't give tickets away for. Half the arena can't sell at face value. It was run better 25 years ago than it is now.

Ok, so give up your membership, opportunity to GA and allow the members that grind it out more chances at winning GAs and tickets.

I

SHZA · January 4

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub. Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club? I would love to see that.

How can they tell that the seller on stubhub is a 10c member? Maybe the situation is that a 10club member did coordinate a drop and it was purchased by a bot/scalper.

All for a change in the process though

Yea another person pointed that out. Would have to be immediate I guess. I know it's never happening, just a hypothetical.

I doubt anything is going to change, this new TM method just made 10c more valuable. They could do more and vett the membership. Weed out all the scalpers with fake memberships.

Or, since the membership is completely useless and just a money grab, they could simply stop with the fake holier than thou crap and just let supply and demand handle it for them. I mean how out of touch can they be to think someone would willingly pay $900 per ticket to sit in the worst spot in the arena? They obviously couldn't give AF less about 10c members.

How is the membership completely useless? Getting tickets through the membership lotteries is probably the less stress inducing method in getting tickets including GA.

The promoter isn’t willing to let them have a whole arena of 10c holders.

Concert ticket game has changed, the best methods that work so far are being on F2F consistently up until the day of the show, waiting for ticket drops the day of the show and coordinating a trade.

However, a lot of people in their fanbase aren’t willing to do that for various reasons.

My pet peeve is if you are coordinating a trade with a fellow 10C member we should be able to transfer tickets or have more protections on F2F to avoid bots/scalpers grabbing them.

There's zero value in the 10c. It’s not 2005. Times have changed and greed is at an all new level. Taking the money of tens of thousands of people and "allowing" a select handful of "lottery" winners to purchase tickets, isn't useful. The fact is, 90% of the tickets end up scalped in one way or another. They should just stop with the charade and let the free market handle it from there. The current system is the worst thing ever. Again, $900 for the worst seat in the house? Meanwhile there's a show on this tour that they can't give tickets away for. Half the arena can't sell at face value. It was run better 25 years ago than it is now.

Ok, so give up your membership, opportunity to GA and allow the members that grind it out more chances at winning GAs and tickets.

I

Then he wouldn't be able to complain on here. That's the real value in the membership

ally12 · January 4

SHZA said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub. Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club? I would love to see that.

How can they tell that the seller on stubhub is a 10c member? Maybe the situation is that a 10club member did coordinate a drop and it was purchased by a bot/scalper.

All for a change in the process though

Yea another person pointed that out. Would have to be immediate I guess. I know it's never happening, just a hypothetical.

I doubt anything is going to change, this new TM method just made 10c more valuable. They could do more and vett the membership. Weed out all the scalpers with fake memberships.

Or, since the membership is completely useless and just a money grab, they could simply stop with the fake holier than thou crap and just let supply and demand handle it for them. I mean how out of touch can they be to think someone would willingly pay $900 per ticket to sit in the worst spot in the arena? They obviously couldn't give AF less about 10c members.

How is the membership completely useless? Getting tickets through the membership lotteries is probably the less stress inducing method in getting tickets including GA.

The promoter isn’t willing to let them have a whole arena of 10c holders.

Concert ticket game has changed, the best methods that work so far are being on F2F consistently up until the day of the show, waiting for ticket drops the day of the show and coordinating a trade.

However, a lot of people in their fanbase aren’t willing to do that for various reasons.

My pet peeve is if you are coordinating a trade with a fellow 10C member we should be able to transfer tickets or have more protections on F2F to avoid bots/scalpers grabbing them.

There's zero value in the 10c. It’s not 2005. Times have changed and greed is at an all new level. Taking the money of tens of thousands of people and "allowing" a select handful of "lottery" winners to purchase tickets, isn't useful. The fact is, 90% of the tickets end up scalped in one way or another. They should just stop with the charade and let the free market handle it from there. The current system is the worst thing ever. Again, $900 for the worst seat in the house? Meanwhile there's a show on this tour that they can't give tickets away for. Half the arena can't sell at face value. It was run better 25 years ago than it is now.

Ok, so give up your membership, opportunity to GA and allow the members that grind it out more chances at winning GAs and tickets.

I

Then he wouldn't be able to complain on here. That's the real value in the membership

Fair, isn’t there a complainer’s thread out there somewhere

RP123663 · January 4

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub. Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club? I would love to see that.

How can they tell that the seller on stubhub is a 10c member? Maybe the situation is that a 10club member did coordinate a drop and it was purchased by a bot/scalper.

All for a change in the process though

Yea another person pointed that out. Would have to be immediate I guess. I know it's never happening, just a hypothetical.

I doubt anything is going to change, this new TM method just made 10c more valuable. They could do more and vett the membership. Weed out all the scalpers with fake memberships.

Or, since the membership is completely useless and just a money grab, they could simply stop with the fake holier than thou crap and just let supply and demand handle it for them. I mean how out of touch can they be to think someone would willingly pay $900 per ticket to sit in the worst spot in the arena? They obviously couldn't give AF less about 10c members.

How is the membership completely useless? Getting tickets through the membership lotteries is probably the less stress inducing method in getting tickets including GA.

The promoter isn’t willing to let them have a whole arena of 10c holders.

Concert ticket game has changed, the best methods that work so far are being on F2F consistently up until the day of the show, waiting for ticket drops the day of the show and coordinating a trade.

However, a lot of people in their fanbase aren’t willing to do that for various reasons.

My pet peeve is if you are coordinating a trade with a fellow 10C member we should be able to transfer tickets or have more protections on F2F to avoid bots/scalpers grabbing them.

There's zero value in the 10c. It’s not 2005. Times have changed and greed is at an all new level. Taking the money of tens of thousands of people and "allowing" a select handful of "lottery" winners to purchase tickets, isn't useful. The fact is, 90% of the tickets end up scalped in one way or another. They should just stop with the charade and let the free market handle it from there. The current system is the worst thing ever. Again, $900 for the worst seat in the house? Meanwhile there's a show on this tour that they can't give tickets away for. Half the arena can't sell at face value. It was run better 25 years ago than it is now.

Ok, so give up your membership, opportunity to GA and allow the members that grind it out more chances at winning GAs and tickets.

I

Already done, but its not going to help other 10c members. The bots and scalpers get most of the 10c "lottery" tickets as well. This system has been corrupt for a while now. Again, there's not much value because there's really no chance of "winning" anything. If they just stopped with the bot monopoly and went strictly with a free market, supply and demand system, Raleigh N2 would be selling for $50 a seat, Hollywood for maybe $500 and Pitt in the $275 range. Overcomplicating it and overpricing trash seats to $900 to try and fake the level of demand is moronic at best.

ally12 · January 4

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub. Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club? I would love to see that.

How can they tell that the seller on stubhub is a 10c member? Maybe the situation is that a 10club member did coordinate a drop and it was purchased by a bot/scalper.

All for a change in the process though

Yea another person pointed that out. Would have to be immediate I guess. I know it's never happening, just a hypothetical.

I doubt anything is going to change, this new TM method just made 10c more valuable. They could do more and vett the membership. Weed out all the scalpers with fake memberships.

Or, since the membership is completely useless and just a money grab, they could simply stop with the fake holier than thou crap and just let supply and demand handle it for them. I mean how out of touch can they be to think someone would willingly pay $900 per ticket to sit in the worst spot in the arena? They obviously couldn't give AF less about 10c members.

How is the membership completely useless? Getting tickets through the membership lotteries is probably the less stress inducing method in getting tickets including GA.

The promoter isn’t willing to let them have a whole arena of 10c holders.

Concert ticket game has changed, the best methods that work so far are being on F2F consistently up until the day of the show, waiting for ticket drops the day of the show and coordinating a trade.

However, a lot of people in their fanbase aren’t willing to do that for various reasons.

My pet peeve is if you are coordinating a trade with a fellow 10C member we should be able to transfer tickets or have more protections on F2F to avoid bots/scalpers grabbing them.

There's zero value in the 10c. It’s not 2005. Times have changed and greed is at an all new level. Taking the money of tens of thousands of people and "allowing" a select handful of "lottery" winners to purchase tickets, isn't useful. The fact is, 90% of the tickets end up scalped in one way or another. They should just stop with the charade and let the free market handle it from there. The current system is the worst thing ever. Again, $900 for the worst seat in the house? Meanwhile there's a show on this tour that they can't give tickets away for. Half the arena can't sell at face value. It was run better 25 years ago than it is now.

Ok, so give up your membership, opportunity to GA and allow the members that grind it out more chances at winning GAs and tickets.

I

Already done, but it’s not going to help other 10c members. The bots and scalpers get most of the 10c "lottery" tickets as well. This system has been corrupt for a while now. Again, there's not much value because there's really no chance of "winning" anything. If they just stopped with the bot monopoly and went strictly with a free market, supply and demand system, Raleigh N2 would be selling for $50 a seat, Hollywood for maybe $500 and Pitt in the $275 range. Overcomplicating it and overpricing trash seats to $900 to try and fake the level of demand is moronic at best.

How does it not help, if you and 10,000 other boomers left the club and just saw pearl jam casually, it will help my chances in the lottery.

Don’t act so entitled, the band doesn’t know your name.

RP123663 · January 4

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub. Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club? I would love to see that.

How can they tell that the seller on stubhub is a 10c member? Maybe the situation is that a 10club member did coordinate a drop and it was purchased by a bot/scalper.

All for a change in the process though

Yea another person pointed that out. Would have to be immediate I guess. I know it's never happening, just a hypothetical.

I doubt anything is going to change, this new TM method just made 10c more valuable. They could do more and vett the membership. Weed out all the scalpers with fake memberships.

Or, since the membership is completely useless and just a money grab, they could simply stop with the fake holier than thou crap and just let supply and demand handle it for them. I mean how out of touch can they be to think someone would willingly pay $900 per ticket to sit in the worst spot in the arena? They obviously couldn't give AF less about 10c members.

How is the membership completely useless? Getting tickets through the membership lotteries is probably the less stress inducing method in getting tickets including GA.

The promoter isn’t willing to let them have a whole arena of 10c holders.

Concert ticket game has changed, the best methods that work so far are being on F2F consistently up until the day of the show, waiting for ticket drops the day of the show and coordinating a trade.

However, a lot of people in their fanbase aren’t willing to do that for various reasons.

My pet peeve is if you are coordinating a trade with a fellow 10C member we should be able to transfer tickets or have more protections on F2F to avoid bots/scalpers grabbing them.

There's zero value in the 10c. It’s not 2005. Times have changed and greed is at an all new level. Taking the money of tens of thousands of people and "allowing" a select handful of "lottery" winners to purchase tickets, isn't useful. The fact is, 90% of the tickets end up scalped in one way or another. They should just stop with the charade and let the free market handle it from there. The current system is the worst thing ever. Again, $900 for the worst seat in the house? Meanwhile there's a show on this tour that they can't give tickets away for. Half the arena can't sell at face value. It was run better 25 years ago than it is now.

Ok, so give up your membership, opportunity to GA and allow the members that grind it out more chances at winning GAs and tickets.

I

Already done, but it’s not going to help other 10c members. The bots and scalpers get most of the 10c "lottery" tickets as well. This system has been corrupt for a while now. Again, there's not much value because there's really no chance of "winning" anything. If they just stopped with the bot monopoly and went strictly with a free market, supply and demand system, Raleigh N2 would be selling for $50 a seat, Hollywood for maybe $500 and Pitt in the $275 range. Overcomplicating it and overpricing trash seats to $900 to try and fake the level of demand is moronic at best.

How does it not help, if you and 10,000 other boomers left the club and just saw pearl jam casually, it will help my chances in the lottery.

Don’t act so entitled, the band doesn’t know your name.

And if your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle. There could be only 1000 10c active members total and yet somehow, the bots and scalpers still are able to procure 99% of the tickets. The "lottery" isn't real/what you think it is. Real members are outnumbered 100:1 by the system. Again, the whole think is out of touch. People buying into this being legit have their heads in the sand. They literally cannot give away tickets to Raleigh, but want you to believe there is value in spending $900 per person to sit in the bathroom.

on2legs · January 4

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub. Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club? I would love to see that.

How can they tell that the seller on stubhub is a 10c member? Maybe the situation is that a 10club member did coordinate a drop and it was purchased by a bot/scalper.

All for a change in the process though

Yea another person pointed that out. Would have to be immediate I guess. I know it's never happening, just a hypothetical.

I doubt anything is going to change, this new TM method just made 10c more valuable. They could do more and vett the membership. Weed out all the scalpers with fake memberships.

Or, since the membership is completely useless and just a money grab, they could simply stop with the fake holier than thou crap and just let supply and demand handle it for them. I mean how out of touch can they be to think someone would willingly pay $900 per ticket to sit in the worst spot in the arena? They obviously couldn't give AF less about 10c members.

How is the membership completely useless? Getting tickets through the membership lotteries is probably the less stress inducing method in getting tickets including GA.

The promoter isn’t willing to let them have a whole arena of 10c holders.

Concert ticket game has changed, the best methods that work so far are being on F2F consistently up until the day of the show, waiting for ticket drops the day of the show and coordinating a trade.

However, a lot of people in their fanbase aren’t willing to do that for various reasons.

My pet peeve is if you are coordinating a trade with a fellow 10C member we should be able to transfer tickets or have more protections on F2F to avoid bots/scalpers grabbing them.

There's zero value in the 10c. It’s not 2005. Times have changed and greed is at an all new level. Taking the money of tens of thousands of people and "allowing" a select handful of "lottery" winners to purchase tickets, isn't useful. The fact is, 90% of the tickets end up scalped in one way or another. They should just stop with the charade and let the free market handle it from there. The current system is the worst thing ever. Again, $900 for the worst seat in the house? Meanwhile there's a show on this tour that they can't give tickets away for. Half the arena can't sell at face value. It was run better 25 years ago than it is now.

Ok, so give up your membership, opportunity to GA and allow the members that grind it out more chances at winning GAs and tickets.

I

Already done, but it’s not going to help other 10c members. The bots and scalpers get most of the 10c "lottery" tickets as well. This system has been corrupt for a while now. Again, there's not much value because there's really no chance of "winning" anything. If they just stopped with the bot monopoly and went strictly with a free market, supply and demand system, Raleigh N2 would be selling for $50 a seat, Hollywood for maybe $500 and Pitt in the $275 range. Overcomplicating it and overpricing trash seats to $900 to try and fake the level of demand is moronic at best.

How does it not help, if you and 10,000 other boomers left the club and just saw pearl jam casually, it will help my chances in the lottery.

Don’t act so entitled, the band doesn’t know your name.

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub. Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club? I would love to see that.

How can they tell that the seller on stubhub is a 10c member? Maybe the situation is that a 10club member did coordinate a drop and it was purchased by a bot/scalper.

All for a change in the process though

Yea another person pointed that out. Would have to be immediate I guess. I know it's never happening, just a hypothetical.

I doubt anything is going to change, this new TM method just made 10c more valuable. They could do more and vett the membership. Weed out all the scalpers with fake memberships.

Or, since the membership is completely useless and just a money grab, they could simply stop with the fake holier than thou crap and just let supply and demand handle it for them. I mean how out of touch can they be to think someone would willingly pay $900 per ticket to sit in the worst spot in the arena? They obviously couldn't give AF less about 10c members.

How is the membership completely useless? Getting tickets through the membership lotteries is probably the less stress inducing method in getting tickets including GA.

The promoter isn’t willing to let them have a whole arena of 10c holders.

Concert ticket game has changed, the best methods that work so far are being on F2F consistently up until the day of the show, waiting for ticket drops the day of the show and coordinating a trade.

However, a lot of people in their fanbase aren’t willing to do that for various reasons.

My pet peeve is if you are coordinating a trade with a fellow 10C member we should be able to transfer tickets or have more protections on F2F to avoid bots/scalpers grabbing them.

There's zero value in the 10c. It’s not 2005. Times have changed and greed is at an all new level. Taking the money of tens of thousands of people and "allowing" a select handful of "lottery" winners to purchase tickets, isn't useful. The fact is, 90% of the tickets end up scalped in one way or another. They should just stop with the charade and let the free market handle it from there. The current system is the worst thing ever. Again, $900 for the worst seat in the house? Meanwhile there's a show on this tour that they can't give tickets away for. Half the arena can't sell at face value. It was run better 25 years ago than it is now.

Ok, so give up your membership, opportunity to GA and allow the members that grind it out more chances at winning GAs and tickets.

I

Already done, but it’s not going to help other 10c members. The bots and scalpers get most of the 10c "lottery" tickets as well. This system has been corrupt for a while now. Again, there's not much value because there's really no chance of "winning" anything. If they just stopped with the bot monopoly and went strictly with a free market, supply and demand system, Raleigh N2 would be selling for $50 a seat, Hollywood for maybe $500 and Pitt in the $275 range. Overcomplicating it and overpricing trash seats to $900 to try and fake the level of demand is moronic at best.

How does it not help, if you and 10,000 other boomers left the club and just saw pearl jam casually, it will help my chances in the lottery.

Don’t act so entitled, the band doesn’t know your name.

And if your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle. There could be only 1000 10c active members total and yet somehow, the bots and scalpers still are able to procure 99% of the tickets. The "lottery" isn't real/what you think it is. Real members are outnumbered 100:1 by the system. Again, the whole think is out of touch. People buying into this being legit have their heads in the sand. They literally cannot give away tickets to Raleigh, but want you to believe there is value in spending $900 per person to sit in the bathroom.

Sending out thoughts and prayers! 🙏🏻

Merkin Baller · January 4

on2legs said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub. Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club? I would love to see that.

How can they tell that the seller on stubhub is a 10c member? Maybe the situation is that a 10club member did coordinate a drop and it was purchased by a bot/scalper.

All for a change in the process though

Yea another person pointed that out. Would have to be immediate I guess. I know it's never happening, just a hypothetical.

I doubt anything is going to change, this new TM method just made 10c more valuable. They could do more and vett the membership. Weed out all the scalpers with fake memberships.

Or, since the membership is completely useless and just a money grab, they could simply stop with the fake holier than thou crap and just let supply and demand handle it for them. I mean how out of touch can they be to think someone would willingly pay $900 per ticket to sit in the worst spot in the arena? They obviously couldn't give AF less about 10c members.

How is the membership completely useless? Getting tickets through the membership lotteries is probably the less stress inducing method in getting tickets including GA.

The promoter isn’t willing to let them have a whole arena of 10c holders.

Concert ticket game has changed, the best methods that work so far are being on F2F consistently up until the day of the show, waiting for ticket drops the day of the show and coordinating a trade.

However, a lot of people in their fanbase aren’t willing to do that for various reasons.

My pet peeve is if you are coordinating a trade with a fellow 10C member we should be able to transfer tickets or have more protections on F2F to avoid bots/scalpers grabbing them.

There's zero value in the 10c. It’s not 2005. Times have changed and greed is at an all new level. Taking the money of tens of thousands of people and "allowing" a select handful of "lottery" winners to purchase tickets, isn't useful. The fact is, 90% of the tickets end up scalped in one way or another. They should just stop with the charade and let the free market handle it from there. The current system is the worst thing ever. Again, $900 for the worst seat in the house? Meanwhile there's a show on this tour that they can't give tickets away for. Half the arena can't sell at face value. It was run better 25 years ago than it is now.

Ok, so give up your membership, opportunity to GA and allow the members that grind it out more chances at winning GAs and tickets.

I

Already done, but it’s not going to help other 10c members. The bots and scalpers get most of the 10c "lottery" tickets as well. This system has been corrupt for a while now. Again, there's not much value because there's really no chance of "winning" anything. If they just stopped with the bot monopoly and went strictly with a free market, supply and demand system, Raleigh N2 would be selling for $50 a seat, Hollywood for maybe $500 and Pitt in the $275 range. Overcomplicating it and overpricing trash seats to $900 to try and fake the level of demand is moronic at best.

How does it not help, if you and 10,000 other boomers left the club and just saw pearl jam casually, it will help my chances in the lottery.

Don’t act so entitled, the band doesn’t know your name.

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub. Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club? I would love to see that.

How can they tell that the seller on stubhub is a 10c member? Maybe the situation is that a 10club member did coordinate a drop and it was purchased by a bot/scalper.

All for a change in the process though

Yea another person pointed that out. Would have to be immediate I guess. I know it's never happening, just a hypothetical.

I doubt anything is going to change, this new TM method just made 10c more valuable. They could do more and vett the membership. Weed out all the scalpers with fake memberships.

Or, since the membership is completely useless and just a money grab, they could simply stop with the fake holier than thou crap and just let supply and demand handle it for them. I mean how out of touch can they be to think someone would willingly pay $900 per ticket to sit in the worst spot in the arena? They obviously couldn't give AF less about 10c members.

How is the membership completely useless? Getting tickets through the membership lotteries is probably the less stress inducing method in getting tickets including GA.

The promoter isn’t willing to let them have a whole arena of 10c holders.

Concert ticket game has changed, the best methods that work so far are being on F2F consistently up until the day of the show, waiting for ticket drops the day of the show and coordinating a trade.

However, a lot of people in their fanbase aren’t willing to do that for various reasons.

My pet peeve is if you are coordinating a trade with a fellow 10C member we should be able to transfer tickets or have more protections on F2F to avoid bots/scalpers grabbing them.

There's zero value in the 10c. It’s not 2005. Times have changed and greed is at an all new level. Taking the money of tens of thousands of people and "allowing" a select handful of "lottery" winners to purchase tickets, isn't useful. The fact is, 90% of the tickets end up scalped in one way or another. They should just stop with the charade and let the free market handle it from there. The current system is the worst thing ever. Again, $900 for the worst seat in the house? Meanwhile there's a show on this tour that they can't give tickets away for. Half the arena can't sell at face value. It was run better 25 years ago than it is now.

Ok, so give up your membership, opportunity to GA and allow the members that grind it out more chances at winning GAs and tickets.

I

Already done, but it’s not going to help other 10c members. The bots and scalpers get most of the 10c "lottery" tickets as well. This system has been corrupt for a while now. Again, there's not much value because there's really no chance of "winning" anything. If they just stopped with the bot monopoly and went strictly with a free market, supply and demand system, Raleigh N2 would be selling for $50 a seat, Hollywood for maybe $500 and Pitt in the $275 range. Overcomplicating it and overpricing trash seats to $900 to try and fake the level of demand is moronic at best.

How does it not help, if you and 10,000 other boomers left the club and just saw pearl jam casually, it will help my chances in the lottery.

Don’t act so entitled, the band doesn’t know your name.

And if your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle. There could be only 1000 10c active members total and yet somehow, the bots and scalpers still are able to procure 99% of the tickets. The "lottery" isn't real/what you think it is. Real members are outnumbered 100:1 by the system. Again, the whole think is out of touch. People buying into this being legit have their heads in the sand. They literally cannot give away tickets to Raleigh, but want you to believe there is value in spending $900 per person to sit in the bathroom.

Sending out thoughts and prayers! 🙏🏻

Seriously.

Bart.niessen · January 4

KJ228171 said:

Bart.niessen said:

KJ228171 said:

Bart.niessen said:

Second time in botjail now. Last time was about 5 days around the holidays. Hope its not permanent now..

That sucks. The only way to have a chance at getting tickets is to be logged when searching. Any estimate on how many times you refreshed or switch from one ticket to two. Their stated trig is 1,000 times in 24 hours but it’s happened before that. I’m trying to pin down how much is too much.

Can’t deny that i had a quite aggressive refresh-day on multiple locations. I kind of knew it could be too much but the FOMO was real.. Scary how its works like ‘if i quit now i might miss out on a ticket in the next 5 minutes’. Its basically addictive.

I can understand that. I've resorted to just using the app. It's already laggy as hell plus you can't look at more than one show at a time. Having multiple tabs on a computer is too tempting to hit refresh.

True, the luck i have is that i’m only focussing on Hollywood N2. Coming over from the Netherlands (first time USA

) and i allready have N1 trough 10C. But it feels a bit hopeless how the F2F thing is working out at this point. On the other side i dont want to use my phone too much when i’m exploring Florida, so i hope i can secure something before flying in.. lets keep praying.

ally12 · January 4

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub. Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club? I would love to see that.

How can they tell that the seller on stubhub is a 10c member? Maybe the situation is that a 10club member did coordinate a drop and it was purchased by a bot/scalper.

All for a change in the process though

Yea another person pointed that out. Would have to be immediate I guess. I know it's never happening, just a hypothetical.

I doubt anything is going to change, this new TM method just made 10c more valuable. They could do more and vett the membership. Weed out all the scalpers with fake memberships.

Or, since the membership is completely useless and just a money grab, they could simply stop with the fake holier than thou crap and just let supply and demand handle it for them. I mean how out of touch can they be to think someone would willingly pay $900 per ticket to sit in the worst spot in the arena? They obviously couldn't give AF less about 10c members.

How is the membership completely useless? Getting tickets through the membership lotteries is probably the less stress inducing method in getting tickets including GA.

The promoter isn’t willing to let them have a whole arena of 10c holders.

Concert ticket game has changed, the best methods that work so far are being on F2F consistently up until the day of the show, waiting for ticket drops the day of the show and coordinating a trade.

However, a lot of people in their fanbase aren’t willing to do that for various reasons.

My pet peeve is if you are coordinating a trade with a fellow 10C member we should be able to transfer tickets or have more protections on F2F to avoid bots/scalpers grabbing them.

There's zero value in the 10c. It’s not 2005. Times have changed and greed is at an all new level. Taking the money of tens of thousands of people and "allowing" a select handful of "lottery" winners to purchase tickets, isn't useful. The fact is, 90% of the tickets end up scalped in one way or another. They should just stop with the charade and let the free market handle it from there. The current system is the worst thing ever. Again, $900 for the worst seat in the house? Meanwhile there's a show on this tour that they can't give tickets away for. Half the arena can't sell at face value. It was run better 25 years ago than it is now.

Ok, so give up your membership, opportunity to GA and allow the members that grind it out more chances at winning GAs and tickets.

I

Already done, but it’s not going to help other 10c members. The bots and scalpers get most of the 10c "lottery" tickets as well. This system has been corrupt for a while now. Again, there's not much value because there's really no chance of "winning" anything. If they just stopped with the bot monopoly and went strictly with a free market, supply and demand system, Raleigh N2 would be selling for $50 a seat, Hollywood for maybe $500 and Pitt in the $275 range. Overcomplicating it and overpricing trash seats to $900 to try and fake the level of demand is moronic at best.

How does it not help, if you and 10,000 other boomers left the club and just saw pearl jam casually, it will help my chances in the lottery.

Don’t act so entitled, the band doesn’t know your name.

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub. Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club? I would love to see that.

How can they tell that the seller on stubhub is a 10c member? Maybe the situation is that a 10club member did coordinate a drop and it was purchased by a bot/scalper.

All for a change in the process though

Yea another person pointed that out. Would have to be immediate I guess. I know it's never happening, just a hypothetical.

I doubt anything is going to change, this new TM method just made 10c more valuable. They could do more and vett the membership. Weed out all the scalpers with fake memberships.

Or, since the membership is completely useless and just a money grab, they could simply stop with the fake holier than thou crap and just let supply and demand handle it for them. I mean how out of touch can they be to think someone would willingly pay $900 per ticket to sit in the worst spot in the arena? They obviously couldn't give AF less about 10c members.

How is the membership completely useless? Getting tickets through the membership lotteries is probably the less stress inducing method in getting tickets including GA.

The promoter isn’t willing to let them have a whole arena of 10c holders.

Concert ticket game has changed, the best methods that work so far are being on F2F consistently up until the day of the show, waiting for ticket drops the day of the show and coordinating a trade.

However, a lot of people in their fanbase aren’t willing to do that for various reasons.

My pet peeve is if you are coordinating a trade with a fellow 10C member we should be able to transfer tickets or have more protections on F2F to avoid bots/scalpers grabbing them.

There's zero value in the 10c. It’s not 2005. Times have changed and greed is at an all new level. Taking the money of tens of thousands of people and "allowing" a select handful of "lottery" winners to purchase tickets, isn't useful. The fact is, 90% of the tickets end up scalped in one way or another. They should just stop with the charade and let the free market handle it from there. The current system is the worst thing ever. Again, $900 for the worst seat in the house? Meanwhile there's a show on this tour that they can't give tickets away for. Half the arena can't sell at face value. It was run better 25 years ago than it is now.

Ok, so give up your membership, opportunity to GA and allow the members that grind it out more chances at winning GAs and tickets.

I

Already done, but it’s not going to help other 10c members. The bots and scalpers get most of the 10c "lottery" tickets as well. This system has been corrupt for a while now. Again, there's not much value because there's really no chance of "winning" anything. If they just stopped with the bot monopoly and went strictly with a free market, supply and demand system, Raleigh N2 would be selling for $50 a seat, Hollywood for maybe $500 and Pitt in the $275 range. Overcomplicating it and overpricing trash seats to $900 to try and fake the level of demand is moronic at best.

How does it not help, if you and 10,000 other boomers left the club and just saw pearl jam casually, it will help my chances in the lottery.

Don’t act so entitled, the band doesn’t know your name.

And if your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle. There could be only 1000 10c active members total and yet somehow, the bots and scalpers still are able to procure 99% of the tickets. The "lottery" isn't real/what you think it is. Real members are outnumbered 100:1 by the system. Again, the whole think is out of touch. People buying into this being legit have their heads in the sand. They literally cannot give away tickets to Raleigh, but want you to believe there is value in spending $900 per person to sit in the bathroom.

I wouldn’t say I’m out of touch here, the club has given me opportunities in GA and lower level. I even scored back to back GAs in Vancouver and got tickets to MSG1. All the other times that I submitted lottery picks I got shows, not all of my picks but I still would consider that a success. Did I get shut out on this leg? Absolutely! Am I networking on here and other areas to get tickets? Absolutely! Do I think there will be more opportunities to see them? Absolutely!
Has the procurement of concert tickets changed? Absolutely!

We are all navigating this new territory and it’s not just you.

What could really change is the attitude from some members, just because you paid for a membership for years and years and didn’t use the full value of the membership doesn’t mean when you are ready to use it that the red carpet should be rolled out for you.

If you want tickets, you either
1. sign up for lottery
2. sign up for presale
3. check TM consistently

it’s also not Pearl Jam that is doing this, when I was looking for Bruce Springsteen tickets I saw GAs pop up the night before and they were asking 1100 for one on F2F. At least Pearl Jam makes GA face value on F2F.

nicknyr15 · January 4

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub. Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club? I would love to see that.

How can they tell that the seller on stubhub is a 10c member? Maybe the situation is that a 10club member did coordinate a drop and it was purchased by a bot/scalper.

All for a change in the process though

Yea another person pointed that out. Would have to be immediate I guess. I know it's never happening, just a hypothetical.

I doubt anything is going to change, this new TM method just made 10c more valuable. They could do more and vett the membership. Weed out all the scalpers with fake memberships.

Or, since the membership is completely useless and just a money grab, they could simply stop with the fake holier than thou crap and just let supply and demand handle it for them. I mean how out of touch can they be to think someone would willingly pay $900 per ticket to sit in the worst spot in the arena? They obviously couldn't give AF less about 10c members.

How is the membership completely useless? Getting tickets through the membership lotteries is probably the less stress inducing method in getting tickets including GA.

The promoter isn’t willing to let them have a whole arena of 10c holders.

Concert ticket game has changed, the best methods that work so far are being on F2F consistently up until the day of the show, waiting for ticket drops the day of the show and coordinating a trade.

However, a lot of people in their fanbase aren’t willing to do that for various reasons.

My pet peeve is if you are coordinating a trade with a fellow 10C member we should be able to transfer tickets or have more protections on F2F to avoid bots/scalpers grabbing them.

There's zero value in the 10c. It’s not 2005. Times have changed and greed is at an all new level. Taking the money of tens of thousands of people and "allowing" a select handful of "lottery" winners to purchase tickets, isn't useful. The fact is, 90% of the tickets end up scalped in one way or another. They should just stop with the charade and let the free market handle it from there. The current system is the worst thing ever. Again, $900 for the worst seat in the house? Meanwhile there's a show on this tour that they can't give tickets away for. Half the arena can't sell at face value. It was run better 25 years ago than it is now.

Ok, so give up your membership, opportunity to GA and allow the members that grind it out more chances at winning GAs and tickets.

I

Already done, but it’s not going to help other 10c members. The bots and scalpers get most of the 10c "lottery" tickets as well. This system has been corrupt for a while now. Again, there's not much value because there's really no chance of "winning" anything. If they just stopped with the bot monopoly and went strictly with a free market, supply and demand system, Raleigh N2 would be selling for $50 a seat, Hollywood for maybe $500 and Pitt in the $275 range. Overcomplicating it and overpricing trash seats to $900 to try and fake the level of demand is moronic at best.

How does it not help, if you and 10,000 other boomers left the club and just saw pearl jam casually, it will help my chances in the lottery.

Don’t act so entitled, the band doesn’t know your name.

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

ally12 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub. Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club? I would love to see that.

How can they tell that the seller on stubhub is a 10c member? Maybe the situation is that a 10club member did coordinate a drop and it was purchased by a bot/scalper.

All for a change in the process though

Yea another person pointed that out. Would have to be immediate I guess. I know it's never happening, just a hypothetical.

I doubt anything is going to change, this new TM method just made 10c more valuable. They could do more and vett the membership. Weed out all the scalpers with fake memberships.

Or, since the membership is completely useless and just a money grab, they could simply stop with the fake holier than thou crap and just let supply and demand handle it for them. I mean how out of touch can they be to think someone would willingly pay $900 per ticket to sit in the worst spot in the arena? They obviously couldn't give AF less about 10c members.

How is the membership completely useless? Getting tickets through the membership lotteries is probably the less stress inducing method in getting tickets including GA.

The promoter isn’t willing to let them have a whole arena of 10c holders.

Concert ticket game has changed, the best methods that work so far are being on F2F consistently up until the day of the show, waiting for ticket drops the day of the show and coordinating a trade.

However, a lot of people in their fanbase aren’t willing to do that for various reasons.

My pet peeve is if you are coordinating a trade with a fellow 10C member we should be able to transfer tickets or have more protections on F2F to avoid bots/scalpers grabbing them.

There's zero value in the 10c. It’s not 2005. Times have changed and greed is at an all new level. Taking the money of tens of thousands of people and "allowing" a select handful of "lottery" winners to purchase tickets, isn't useful. The fact is, 90% of the tickets end up scalped in one way or another. They should just stop with the charade and let the free market handle it from there. The current system is the worst thing ever. Again, $900 for the worst seat in the house? Meanwhile there's a show on this tour that they can't give tickets away for. Half the arena can't sell at face value. It was run better 25 years ago than it is now.

Ok, so give up your membership, opportunity to GA and allow the members that grind it out more chances at winning GAs and tickets.

I

Already done, but it’s not going to help other 10c members. The bots and scalpers get most of the 10c "lottery" tickets as well. This system has been corrupt for a while now. Again, there's not much value because there's really no chance of "winning" anything. If they just stopped with the bot monopoly and went strictly with a free market, supply and demand system, Raleigh N2 would be selling for $50 a seat, Hollywood for maybe $500 and Pitt in the $275 range. Overcomplicating it and overpricing trash seats to $900 to try and fake the level of demand is moronic at best.

How does it not help, if you and 10,000 other boomers left the club and just saw pearl jam casually, it will help my chances in the lottery.

Don’t act so entitled, the band doesn’t know your name.

And if your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle. There could be only 1000 10c active members total and yet somehow, the bots and scalpers still are able to procure 99% of the tickets. The "lottery" isn't real/what you think it is. Real members are outnumbered 100:1 by the system. Again, the whole think is out of touch. People buying into this being legit have their heads in the sand. They literally cannot give away tickets to Raleigh, but want you to believe there is value in spending $900 per person to sit in the bathroom.

Love my 10c membership. I’ve had multiple amazing pairs of tickets from them and I’ve hustled for whatever I didn’t get instead of whine about it. Living in the northeast I’d have next to a zero percent chance of securing tickets through TM without 10c. My only gripe is the F2F. I’m one of the few that would still prefer fully transferable.

PrezIntense · January 4

And if your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle. There could be only 1000 10c active members total and yet somehow, the bots and scalpers still are able to procure 99% of the tickets. The "lottery" isn't real/what you think it is. Real members are outnumbered 100:1 by the system. Again, the whole think is out of touch. People buying into this being legit have their heads in the sand. They literally cannot give away tickets to Raleigh, but want you to believe there is value in spending $900 per person to sit in the bathroom.

To clarify, it's just N2 nosebleeds that are an easy score for Raleigh. Appreciate the imagery of my aunt's balls though.

Shaindli1 · January 4

My pet peeve with my students is when they write an evidence-free, citations-free essay and just make claims out of thin air.
It's also a RL pet peeve. I'm just saying, apropos certain comments here.

F2F is OPEN

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